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RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-14-2011
(03-14-2011, 10:52 AM)Richard Wrote:(03-12-2011, 01:19 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: How do I find my place within a group of Wanderers?
I am not a wanderer. Wanderers are not incarnated to polarize. I must polarize if I am to reach fourth density. A Wanderer simply gets placed back where they came from unless they lose themselves and get caught up in karma.
Is every member of bring4th a wanderer? What does a non-wanderer have to offer a group of wanderers? Am I even supposed to be in here, or should I leave and go about my 3D business in order that I may experience live catalyst to polarize?
Hi Monkey,
You aren't alone. I have doubts about being a wanderer also. One of the reasons I've always refrained from posting anything in the intro wanderer thread.
But, I believe that everything is as its supposed to be. If thats true, then what are we here to learn? I suppose it our choice to dig or go.
Richard
I am not sure how to interpret your words, brothers, to be frankly. Finding definition of a Wanderer broke me down for 2-3 weeks as it confirmed something essential inside myself and by it, raised me up from my knees. That's the reason perhaps for Ra to mention that concept, but not to create thoughts of separation!
3DM, Wanderers are no exception to Earth rules. We still have to polarize 51%+ in order to make it home, just like everybody else. The only difference is that some might go to 5D or 6D, but also to 4D like native folks here. And frankly I think it is more brave (and foolish?
)to just make it, graduate to 4D+, and choose to come here out of compassion, than coming from 6D with billions of years behind the self from higher, denser realms. 4D+ graduates haven't even experienced anything else than 3D yet! gee...
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Richard - 03-15-2011
(03-14-2011, 06:44 PM)Ankh Wrote:(03-14-2011, 10:52 AM)Richard Wrote:(03-12-2011, 01:19 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: How do I find my place within a group of Wanderers?
I am not a wanderer. Wanderers are not incarnated to polarize. I must polarize if I am to reach fourth density. A Wanderer simply gets placed back where they came from unless they lose themselves and get caught up in karma.
Is every member of bring4th a wanderer? What does a non-wanderer have to offer a group of wanderers? Am I even supposed to be in here, or should I leave and go about my 3D business in order that I may experience live catalyst to polarize?
Hi Monkey,
You aren't alone. I have doubts about being a wanderer also. One of the reasons I've always refrained from posting anything in the intro wanderer thread.
But, I believe that everything is as its supposed to be. If thats true, then what are we here to learn? I suppose it our choice to dig or go.
Richard
I am not sure how to interpret your words, brothers, to be frankly. Finding definition of a Wanderer broke me down for 2-3 weeks as it confirmed something essential inside myself and by it, raised me up from my knees. That's the reason perhaps for Ra to mention that concept, but not to create thoughts of separation!
3DM, Wanderers are no exception to Earth rules. We still have to polarize 51%+ in order to make it home, just like everybody else. The only difference is that some might go to 5D or 6D, but also to 4D like native folks here. And frankly I think it is more brave (and foolish?
Ankh,
Then perhaps you are , by definition, a wanderer. I have not felt any resonance with the term itself. If I had to define my self by a single term..I suppose it would be "Seeker". But even then, a single term to define your entire experience so far?
We are are sum of our experiences to date. I don't frame my entire existence within the teachings of the LOO...though I do embrace many of the concepts. Even Qu'o says to take what means something to you and leave the rest behind.
Somehow, to me...saying "I'm a wanderer" seems limiting since it gives you a supposed answer for questions or issues that might still need work within.
Richard
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ocean - 03-15-2011
i see the word as another word. i've had many words attached to me and i think we should take those which resonate. wanderer is such a broad term i like it more than indigo. anyone can be a wanderer so it should keep the ego at bay. and if you don't like that or indeed any name you can just leave the whole thing. noone needs a word to call themselves.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-15-2011
Are we not all Wanderers? Are we not all seekers? We wander and seek - what? Take what resonates.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - BlatzAdict - 03-15-2011
i think each generation spawned waves of waves of specific persona guidelines to slowly shift consciousness in a general direction of honesty and truth
everytime i see a kid... i think in my head starseed. and i give em this look with love etheric energy and they look at me and then give me this knowing smile. like their eyes tell the story of one that leads to the one infinite creator. i really think the generation born from the 60s were all blue and violet aura souls. who's life plans were to teach and to spread love and change the world. it didn't really stick, so they got used to the ways of the land.
while the newer set of indigo souls incarnated with more of a spiritual fire... so really we kinda scuffle more to keep things good. never to back down especially when something in indigo eyes tends to be wrong in their interpretation. To make a society of tolerance to pave the way for the crystals.
who i see always have similar traits on their own, crystals who can feel other peoples emotions and have a colorless aura. they have no anger whatsoever and they use it like a foreign and out of place tool. a lot of peoples general profiles falls down ultimately to 2-3 colors.
i think from a way of thinking standpoint, the soul objectives of each wave or time of incarnation have to do with the context of what is the next step to cosmic conciousness
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - AnthroHeart - 03-16-2011
I thought Wanderers still needed to polarize. In order to graduate and make harvest we still have to reach a certain level of handling the love of Creator. Just being a wanderer I don't think our graduation is automatic.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Namaste - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 11:35 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I thought Wanderers still needed to polarize. In order to graduate and make harvest we still have to reach a certain level of handling the love of Creator. Just being a wanderer I don't think our graduation is automatic.
This is my own understanding also.
A quote from Carla (A Wanderers Handbook, pg. 165)
Carla Wrote:As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 11:55 AM)Namaste Wrote: This is my own understanding also.
A quote from Carla (A Wanderers Handbook, pg. 165)
Carla Wrote:As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.
Though my understanding is that Wanderers are in this mess as everybody else and therefore need to graduate too, those "steps of light" never resonated with me. When I got my freshly new book "101 the Choice: Living the Law of One" one of the chapters in the beginning (Harvest and the Confederation I think its name was) described that in much further detail, I just closed the book and never re-opened it again since then. Don't know why, but it sounds just negative. People taking some steps of light in the blind state, and when you are done the blindfold is lifted off and you'll see if you "made it" or not. People will see their soulsmates/soulgroups split up, people that have been incarnating together for 75 000 years... Nah... Don't think so. It's not how it's done.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Richard - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 01:18 PM)Ankh Wrote:(03-16-2011, 11:55 AM)Namaste Wrote: This is my own understanding also.
A quote from Carla (A Wanderers Handbook, pg. 165)
Carla Wrote:As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.
Though my understanding is that Wanderers are in this mess as everybody else and therefore need to graduate too, those "steps of light" never resonated with me. When I got my freshly new book "101 the Choice: Living the Law of One" one of the chapters in the beginning (Harvest and the Confederation I think its name was) described that in much further detail, I just closed the book and never re-opened it again since then. Don't know why, but it sounds just negative. People taking some steps of light in the blind state, and when you are done the blindfold is lifted off and you'll see if you "made it" or not. People will see their soulsmates/soulgroups split up, people that have been incarnating together for 75 000 years... Nah... Don't think so. It's not how it's done.
Maybe your taking the "steps of light" too literally. I've alwas considered them more of a metaphor than anything. The "Steps of Light" could just as well be a gradual uplifting of spirit, shedding the carcass of 3D and stepping into...what? I don't know.
But the Steps of Light concept is most likely just a teaching tool to describe a process that can't be described in 3D terms.
Richard
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011
I haven't read the book. Just reading the excerpt, I took it as a metaphor as well.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 01:35 PM)Richard Wrote: Maybe your taking the "steps of light" too literally. I've alwas considered them more of a metaphor than anything. The "Steps of Light" could just as well be a gradual uplifting of spirit, shedding the carcass of 3D and stepping into...what? I don't know.
But the Steps of Light concept is most likely just a teaching tool to describe a process that can't be described in 3D terms.
Of course it's a metaphor, my brother. And I don't resonate with it.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Richard - 03-16-2011
I guess I’m just confused Ankh. Do you disagree with the metaphor and how its used? Or the unknown process behind the metaphor?
Richard
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 02:46 PM)Richard Wrote: I guess I’m just confused Ankh. Do you disagree with the metaphor and how its used? Or the unknown process behind the metaphor?
Well, I guess both. Both the metaphor and how it is described. It's described like a blind test (a rat-race) where you don't know what's going on while you taking these steps of light. And when it feels comfortable for you, the "blindfold" lifts off and you see if you "made" it or not. Just sounds too negative in my ears, brother. Maybe it's just semantics.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - AnthroHeart - 03-16-2011
I personally resonate with being able to take a certain amount of creator's love. The thing I don't so much is having to wait 75,000 years before being able to handle that amount of love necessary for graduation. If that's the only requirement for harvest, I don't see why it's only possible once every 25,000-75,000 years or so. Any time along this cycle I would think one could be able to handle that level of Creator's love necessary for 4D.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011
Is the 25000 year overall harvest the only time ?
I doubt it.
(03-16-2011, 02:53 PM)Ankh Wrote:(03-16-2011, 02:46 PM)Richard Wrote: I guess I’m just confused Ankh. Do you disagree with the metaphor and how its used? Or the unknown process behind the metaphor?
Well, I guess both. Both the metaphor and how it is described. It's described like a blind test (a rat-race) where you don't know what's going on while you taking these steps of light. And when it feels comfortable for you, the "blindfold" lifts off and you see if you "made" it or not. Just sounds too negative in my ears, brother. Maybe it's just semantics.
It wasn't for you. The thought of picking the book up for the first time doesn't resonate with me. LOL
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Whitefeather - 03-16-2011
(03-12-2011, 01:19 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: How do I find my place within a group of Wanderers?
I am not a wanderer.
Is every member of bring4th a wanderer? What does a non-wanderer have to offer a group of wanderers? Am I even supposed to be in here, or should I leave and go about my 3D business in order that I may experience live catalyst to polarize?
Hi 3DMonkey, you ask several questions here ... The most important thing is that it is for you to decide about yourself and, nobody will infringe upon your free will in trying to decide who you are or want to be or where you want to go. Your life is your creation, my friend!
And, it is perfectly fine not to be a wanderer.
Love and Light
Whitefeather
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Richard - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 02:53 PM)Ankh Wrote:(03-16-2011, 02:46 PM)Richard Wrote: I guess I’m just confused Ankh. Do you disagree with the metaphor and how its used? Or the unknown process behind the metaphor?
Well, I guess both. Both the metaphor and how it is described. It's described like a blind test (a rat-race) where you don't know what's going on while you taking these steps of light. And when it feels comfortable for you, the "blindfold" lifts off and you see if you "made" it or not. Just sounds too negative in my ears, brother. Maybe it's just semantics.
Ok...got it. I agree...I don't think it works like that either. I think the steps of light process were never really communicated correctly. Or perhaps Ra decided to over-simplify how things work. Or maybe something was lost in the original channeling.
I don't know. But I think there is a lot more to whatever happens than we know.
Richard
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 05:36 PM)Richard Wrote: Ok...got it. I agree...I don't think it works like that either. I think the steps of light process were never really communicated correctly. Or perhaps Ra decided to over-simplify how things work. Or maybe something was lost in the original channeling.
Phew and I thought I was alone.
Quote:It wasn't for you. The thought of picking the book up for the first time doesn't resonate with me. LOL
What do you mean, 3DM?
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 07:29 PM)Ankh Wrote:Quote:It wasn't for you. The thought of picking the book up for the first time doesn't resonate with me. LOL
What do you mean, 3DM?
You were saying that the "steps" didn't resonate. I was reiterating that, and I added what doesn't resonate with me. I was giving you a sympathy vote.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ocean - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 11:55 AM)Namaste Wrote: A quote from Carla (A Wanderers Handbook, pg. 165)
Carla Wrote:As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.
to a point of comfort? we can't be comfortable?
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 07:44 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: You were saying that the "steps" didn't resonate. I was reiterating that, and I added what doesn't resonate with me. I was giving you a sympathy vote.
Sorry, my grey cells upstairs are a bit slow today
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - 3DMonkey - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 08:43 PM)Ocean Wrote:(03-16-2011, 11:55 AM)Namaste Wrote: A quote from Carla (A Wanderers Handbook, pg. 165)
Carla Wrote:As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.
to a point of comfort? we can't be comfortable?
to a point of comfort, meaning "hey, I like this 3D stuff. I choose to be a 3DMonkey." That's how I read it anyway
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ocean - 03-16-2011
crap. i LIKE 3D! :S maybe i'll stay here.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Aaron - 03-16-2011
(03-16-2011, 08:43 PM)Ocean Wrote:(03-16-2011, 11:55 AM)Namaste Wrote: A quote from Carla (A Wanderers Handbook, pg. 165)
Carla Wrote:As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.
to a point of comfort? we can't be comfortable?
I think the phrase "of comfort" was added to give greater detail and description to the process. It could easily be omitted to read: "if the steps are walked to a point within third density" Wherever you stop on the steps is going to be where you're comfortable.
If there was no scale of the Creator's light/love by which a soul can measure themselves between each incarnation, how could one progress up through the densities in the quickest, most efficient manner? I think the blindfold is mentioned because you're not gonna know beforehand where your point of optimum appreciation of love/light on the scale is going to be. (because you've just had an incarnational experience, growing and adding newness to yourself as a soul) It's a surprise!
I've never seen the steps of light as something that's forced upon entities... I've always seen it as a natural part of the universe and the way it functions. We have such different viewpoints on this forum!
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ocean - 03-16-2011
i like your surprise! idea.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - AnthroHeart - 03-25-2011
I've resonated with being a wanderer. One thing it keeps me motivated, as some distant goal I can strive for. I came here with an eagerness and a curiosity to better myself and others. I, like Creator, am endlessly curious.
It makes me wonder about harvest, is that something where we need to be in balance? Is being 50% STO where our chakras are in at least a rough-level of balance? If so, at least I feel like I'm mostly in balance. It's how the energy feels within me. I'm not sure if that's an indicator of whether we can make harvest. I'm also of the understanding that if we have our indigo activated, we are of sufficient adepthood to achieve harvest.
I'm not trying to say that I'm good enough to be harvested. But it's more a question of whether we can use these indicators, and trust in them, to tell that we're on the right path, and at the right levels. I can comfortably move what feels like a large amount of Creator's energy through my system.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-26-2011
(03-25-2011, 04:48 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is being 50% STO where our chakras are in at least a rough-level of balance? If so, at least I feel like I'm mostly in balance. It's how the energy feels within me. I'm not sure if that's an indicator of whether we can make harvest.
I think that there are no galactic or universal or solar system judges who will decide whether you are 50% STO or 51, or more. Do you think that every thought, every emotion, every action of yours counts by any entities who judge whether it was STO or STS? I think that we are our own judges. And we, ourselves, decide what was STO or STS and how much of it, when we are ready for that process, reviewing our life. That we ourselves decide whether we made it or if we need more 3D lessons.
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - transiten - 03-26-2011
Hi
I think I read somewhere that we naturally will vibrate accordingly to the dimension we will go to so that won't even be an active decision of ours.
transiten bouncing back with mercury retrograde
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Ankh - 03-26-2011
(03-26-2011, 04:10 AM)transiten Wrote: I think I read somewhere that we naturally will vibrate accordingly to the dimension we will go to so that won't even be an active decision of ours.
I think that's another way of put it. What do you think about yourself? And according to that you will vibrate or whatever we will do into the dimension/density/light streangth where we belong. And it won't last for good either, as we grow
RE: Finding a place amongst Wanderers - Whitefeather - 03-28-2011
(03-26-2011, 01:49 AM)Ankh Wrote:(03-25-2011, 04:48 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is being 50% STO where our chakras are in at least a rough-level of balance? If so, at least I feel like I'm mostly in balance. It's how the energy feels within me. I'm not sure if that's an indicator of whether we can make harvest.
I think that there are no galactic or universal or solar system judges who will decide whether you are 50% STO or 51, or more. Do you think that every thought, every emotion, every action of yours counts by any entities who judge whether it was STO or STS? I think that we are our own judges. And we, ourselves, decide what was STO or STS and how much of it, when we are ready for that process, reviewing our life. That we ourselves decide whether we made it or if we need more 3D lessons.
It is not about judgment, either from us or from other entities!
It is about energy and whether, in the battle for energy, you can bring forward your 1% of energy into the common dish without getting unbalanced!
L/L
Whitefeather