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RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Ens Entium - 02-20-2011

(02-20-2011, 01:58 PM)Eddie Wrote: Disclosure happened to me when I was a young child (and, similarly, for many others on this discussion board). We are arguing over something already proved.

Perhaps the bigger issue is why so many people want "the truth" to be authorized by the ruling elite, in order for it to be "true". The history of ruling elites should prompt us to realize that "truth" is generally an anathema to elites.

We are not 'arguing' for ourselves. This concerns the billions of people this isnt 'proved' for. Most people accept the word of authority- for many reasons. Which is why education about this is important. And.. it doesn't have to be a singular event, as i said, it will most likely involve gradual acclimation.

On some level i think it will get humanity to ask questions about it's ethics in general. That's why i think this is important.

Izzy Wrote:What about all these professional private/military pilots and airtraffic controlers, military soliders that Greer has sworn statements from?

Does anyone know if his press conference was televised? Because.. again, what has come of their testimony? Does he have plans to share this publicly, widely?

Having said that, i think his pulling all those people together to produce testimony that is compelling to serve as a data resource to provide an evidentiary basis to the whole UFO arena is very good!

You're thread s about educating oneself about alien disclosure, and so, yes, it's not about Greer-bashing, but people have to pint out facts that they've come to know. We must be able to differentiate on the sources.

I thank you for making this thread because it allows all who view this to adopt that same process and spirit of deep investigation
and differentiation beyond convenience.. and then for those who are viewing this or participating to carry that with them and pass the torch onto people who are open minded enough to seek and allow us to share... It helps us to improve our ability to help others. So, thanks again. Smile
(02-20-2011, 12:36 AM)Derek ~ Wrote: Ok. Words are powerful, clarity is important my friend! To me when you say you think something is disinformation, it implies that it's intentional given the meaning and history of the word unless it's clarified.

Another topic that I wanted to bring up, is that we are often very quick to pick apart those out in the trenches doing all the work. For every new video or interview that comes out (from whoever), in the comments section you always see an overwhelming amount of negativity. It's the armchair quarterback syndrome.

I don't follow David Wilcock much anymore, but you see it a lot with him now. People loooove to talk about him and not about what he's presenting. We somehow seem to hold them to a higher standard than us, when in reality they are simply regular people putting in endless hours of work, experiencing and trying to deal with their own emotions in a public light.

I think what happens, and what you may see in Greer Crimson, is that this is his life's work and it has become personal for him. You find that when a researcher grows in popularity, people actually want to know more about them personally, so they start opening up. Just some positive thoughts to consider! BigSmile

Agreed


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Crimson - 02-20-2011

I would not have responded like this if I did not have researched this. I did in the past. I found the first book to be intriguing and interesting (just a recompilation of the witness testimony about 400 if I remember).

Then I saw the video of the testimonies.. I said OK seems good, then I saw the articles mentioned regarding links to that oil company and other opinions, that included (later on) an interview on the now defunct Camelot Project (which I also judged at the end to be disinfo --usually as it happens, some truth mixed with fiction/fear --the best way to do this desinfo thing...)

Then I bought the Hidden Truth....after I bought the Disclosure Project book...The Hidden Truth...(was autobiographical)...then I just realized this guy was manipulated/manipulating. Again this is just my opinion but I find after some research all he writes is irrelevant. Witness testimony can be reliable or unreliable. Always subjective. And possibly most of the witnesses are good people and hard working people that WANT disclosure and they counted on him to do this. I am not saying I am right or not right...but if we take Ra in consideration...

A letter to Obama?...
Well you can wait a looooong time for obama to read your concerns

But seriously, if you invent a zero energy device would you give to this guy?
I recommend you do some research before doing this...besides zero energy devices already exist. As unity100 said, Russian, USA governments have them and probably others as well refer to Ra Material book 5 . So all this is a good way to deny the existence of these devices because if we have them "oh all the problems would be solved..." Well wake up and smell the coffee...they already exist.


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - native - 02-20-2011

Let me rephrase it this way: I don't think Greer is spreading disinformation for negative intent. More likely that not he probably fully understands the situation, but again, there are roles to be played.

Approaching the public and saying there is a good vs. bad ET situation being played out is misleading and doesn't come close to explaining the big picture. Because there isn't a bad side, they are aspects of yourself used for catalysts. How do you explain this metaphysical reality to the average person stuck in their beliefs? And how do you do it without infringing on free will?

So what's the best approach? Is there even one? Explaining that there is no fear of invasion isn't exactly a lie, correct? Because we know it won't happen. This is Greer's position. He is always adamant against suggesting good vs. bad, because then it turns into an US vs. THEM possibility and we don't want to go down that road. This would actually serve a negative agenda of fear and separation. Rather, he advocates harmony by releasing technology and breaking down all the control mechanisms in place that keep us enslaved. But you don't want to totally let your guard down, because this allows for negative manipulation.

It's complicated, how do you do it? My answer is I don't know lol. I'm not even sure if there will ever be disclosure, rather, the discussion is for the purpose of fueling further seeking. There is somewhere in the Law of One that says the process involves finding evidence on another planet I think. Haven't read that part in a long time.

I imagine disclosure takes place more through transformation within. Of course there are negative agendas being played out, but I also see many of them collapsing.

The revelation of how enslaved and manipulated we really are is the heart of true disclosure.


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Crimson - 02-20-2011

(02-20-2011, 05:54 PM)Derek ~ Wrote: Let me rephrase it this way: I don't think Greer is spreading disinformation for negative intent. More likely that not he probably fully understands the situation, but again, there are roles to be played.

Approaching the public and saying there is a good vs. bad ET situation being played out is completely false and misleading. Because there isn't a bad side, they are aspects of yourself used for catalysts. How do you explain this metaphysical reality to the average person stuck in their beliefs? And how do you do it without infringing on free will?

So what's the best approach? Is there even one? Explaining that there is no fear of invasion isn't exactly a lie, correct? Because we know it won't happen. This is Greer's position. He is always adamant against suggesting good vs. bad, because then it turns into an US vs. THEM possibility and we don't want to go down that road. This would actually serve a negative agenda of fear and separation. Rather, he advocates harmony by releasing technology and breaking down all the control mechanisms in place that keep us enslaved. But you don't want to totally let your guard down, because this allows for negative manipulation.

It's complicated, how do you do it? My answer is I don't know lol. I'm not even sure if there will ever be disclosure, rather, the discussion is for the purpose of fueling further seeking. There is somewhere in the Law of One that says the process involves finding evidence on another planet I think. Haven't read that part in a long time.

I imagine disclosure takes place more through transformation within. Of course there are negative agendas being played out, but I also see many of them collapsing.

The revelation of how enslaved and manipulated we really are is the heart of true disclosure.

Al I am saying I founded to be very irrelevant.


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - native - 02-20-2011

That's fine. I was actually replying to Spectrum when you posted..I don't always like to use quotes.


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Spectrum - 02-20-2011

Derek Wrote:Approaching the public and saying there is a good vs. bad ET situation being played out is misleading and doesn't come close to explaining the big picture.

It comes a lot closer than saying there is only a good side.

Derek Wrote:Because there isn't a bad side, they are aspects of yourself used for catalysts.

Can you elaborate a little on this, because I don't think we understand the catalyst aspect the same.

Derek Wrote:How do you explain this metaphysical reality to the average person stuck in their beliefs? And how do you do it without infringing on free will?

If you explain it to people stuck in their beliefs, it will be an infringement on their free will.

Derek Wrote:So what's the best approach? Is there even one? Explaining that there is no fear of invasion isn't exactly a lie, correct?

It is a lie, we have been invaded. It's the lie of our time.

Derek Wrote:The revelation of how enslaved and manipulated we really are is the heart of true disclosure.

Absolutely, a revelation not exactly coming from Greer...


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - native - 02-20-2011

(02-20-2011, 06:39 PM)Spectrum Wrote: Can you elaborate a little on this, because I don't think we understand the catalyst aspect the same.

I was just being simplistic for the sake of a short answer. Negative entities being catalysts to polarize either way. This aspect not being "bad", but fully a function of free will. And not "bad", because all is one..and "they" are you etc. etc.


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Spectrum - 02-20-2011

While we're on the topic of disclosure/UFOs, why don't we also throw authors in the loop who 'are' onto the truth, the multi-density / multi-dimensional aspect of the matter, instead of only discussing the disinfo people, because that lies at the heart of the matter, together with STO/STS:

John Keel:

Operation Trojan Horse, amongst his other books

http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Trojan-Horse-John-Keel/dp/0962653462/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1298247155&sr=8-3

Jacques Vallée:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - zenmaster - 02-20-2011

Our president on the subject of UFOs :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJnFZy-PtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDdqvmUvPlE


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Richard - 02-22-2011

There is so much info and disinfo out there that its extremely hard to sift for what is true or not. Like so many things, the truth of Disclosure, UFO's, Alien's etc...is largely whatever you believe it to be.

Until something happens that informs the entire world. Even then, the internet will be abuzz with people calling it all lies and secret government machinations.

Richard


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Spectrum - 02-25-2011

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RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Spectrum - 02-25-2011

Ens Entium Wrote:Does anyone know if his press conference was televised? Because.. again, what has come of their testimony? Does he have plans to share this publicly, widely?

Leslie Kean brought out a book about it:

UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record

http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307716848/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298646277&sr=8-1

Here she was interviewed about the book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh0ByBkhEtQ

…Can someone please knock this interviewer over the head?...."pilots are not reliable eyewitnesses"...

She handled his 'approach' like a professional.


RE: Eduacte yourself about alien disclosure - Spectrum - 03-03-2011

J. Allen Hynek was also a serious researcher in this field whose work is of value:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek