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RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Monica - 12-27-2010
(12-27-2010, 03:41 AM)unity100 Wrote: are you people taking into account the fact that service to self lie, and all this 'greys and dna and manipulation' business could be another lie to propagate various thought patterns ?
'hey, we are doing experiments on you, modifying you, and you are passive in this'.
Exactly!
(12-26-2010, 08:48 PM)jivatman Wrote: Look, nobody wants to hear that their source is negative, probably Orion,
Right. Especially when their intentions are good. But even those with the best of intentions can be susceptible to the fear-based lies.
(12-26-2010, 08:48 PM)jivatman Wrote: But when you hear people saying again and again, things like: There will be a pole shift, 70% of earth's population will die, humans were created as a slave race, all governments are controlled by aliens, everybody is mind controlled;
That is all is just fear-based information that they feed upon.
Agreed!
(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.
Ra spoke at great length about the higher densities. If Ra had deemed that info unimportant to us, they would have told us, as they did whenever Don asked other 'transient' questions.
Apparently Ra felt there was value in us having access to that info pertaining to the higher densities.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Monica - 12-27-2010
(12-27-2010, 12:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: There's a lot of attempts here lately to use logic and reason to define how those higher density entities function, what motivates them what they are like where they are from. Basically it's the same age old fallacy of redefining God in man's image... It doesn't work for God it also doesn't work even for a 4th density entity.
Why, then, did Ra offer us so much info regarding the higher densities?
(12-27-2010, 12:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: In this specific case the motivations for the abductions.
Some of the entities doing the abducting might actually be only 3D, who just happen to have technology. (someone correct me if I'm wrong...did Ra say all the aliens were 4D and above?)
(12-27-2010, 12:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: So my suggestion is if you want to know what being 4th density is like.... Become 4th.... Some on this forum have already taken a peep and have reported their experiences here...
Are you saying we can trust the experiences of others, if it's limited to 4D, but not if it explores experience or understanding of 5D or 6D?
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you. Is it ok to discuss 4D, since some claim to have 'taken a peep' but not 5D or 6D?
(12-27-2010, 12:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Notably none of them did it with thought and logic. As far as I am concerned these discussions about higher density motivations are merely a function of ego.
By 'higher density' do you mean 5D and above?
And, are you saying we shouldn't discuss the 5D and above, lest we be accused of operating by ego? What, then, does that say about Don? Since he asked a great many questions about the higher densities?
A great deal of the info Ra gave us deals with the higher densities. Why not ponder it? Isn't that what this discussion forum is all about?
(12-27-2010, 12:53 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: As far as I am concerned I asked if my initial interpretation "what are you doing in this thread" was correct.
Maybe I missed it...but I didn't see any interpretation offered. I cannot speak for unity100, but I took his question to be, "What are you doing in a discussion forum dedicated to the study of the Law of One, which is comprised of info relating to the higher densities, if not to discuss that info?" rather than anything personal.
Everyone take a deep breath...
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - zenmaster - 12-27-2010
(12-27-2010, 02:50 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:What assumptions were made that led you to interpret what you quoted as implying unimportance of what Ra related about higher densities?(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.
Ra spoke at great length about the higher densities. If Ra had deemed that info unimportant to us, they would have told us, as they did whenever Don asked other 'transient' questions.
Apparently Ra felt there was value in us having access to that info pertaining to the higher densities.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Monica - 12-27-2010
(12-27-2010, 09:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-27-2010, 02:50 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Ra spoke at great length about the higher densities. If Ra had deemed that info unimportant to us, they would have told us, as they did whenever Don asked other 'transient' questions.What assumptions were made that led you to interpret what you quoted as implying unimportance of what Ra related about higher densities?
Apparently Ra felt there was value in us having access to that info pertaining to the higher densities.
Your statement:
(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.
Since we are currently 3D, and Ra spoke at length about 4D activities, then whenever we study Ra's words, are we not doing just that? ie. attempting to understand the activities of higher density beings?
Why would Ra impart this knowledge, if our attempt to understand it is futile?
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Aaron - 12-27-2010
It's one thing to cognize a higher densities' properties, and another thing entirely to try to understand higher density entities modes of thought/consciousness.
To me, the latter seems to be like your dog or cat understanding what you're doing when you go to work everyday. Is it necessary?
Edit: By higher densities, I did mean densities higher than 4th, which is the one necessary for us to begin grasping now! :p
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - zenmaster - 12-27-2010
(12-27-2010, 09:51 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(12-27-2010, 09:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-27-2010, 02:50 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Ra spoke at great length about the higher densities. If Ra had deemed that info unimportant to us, they would have told us, as they did whenever Don asked other 'transient' questions.What assumptions were made that led you to interpret what you quoted as implying unimportance of what Ra related about higher densities?
Apparently Ra felt there was value in us having access to that info pertaining to the higher densities.
Your statement:
(12-27-2010, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: do you not see the futility in 3rd density's attempts to project meaning and purpose on 4th-density beings' activities? Yet we, almost invariably, do it anyway and the result typically reveals our own projections.
Since we are currently 3D, and Ra spoke at length about 4D activities, then whenever we study Ra's words, are we not doing just that? ie. attempting to understand the activities of higher density beings?
Why would Ra impart this knowledge, if our attempt to understand it is futile?
But our attempt to understand what we experience is never futile.
Ra's 'adept' realizes that magical working involves symbolic or metaphorical reality. Being mind and spirit-based, the understanding involved in this working is more fundamental than our mechanistic, conventional thinking and feeling based approach of understanding and evaluating. In this symbolic mind-realm, everything (raw information) tends to have a dynamic, subjective, and non-determined quality (although, like matter, it's subject to fixed laws).
Now imagine that the 'advanced' 3rd density adept is something like a mentally retarded 4th density preschooler in all developmental categories (spiritual, intellectual, affective, moral, etc) . There is no way to perform an adequate rational evaluation of the 'thought process', as it were, of a 4th-density being. That is, one that would actually match the motivation, strategy or game-plan of the being. They do not have the same linear, chain-of-thought constraint. Do you see how we depend on causal attributions to understand any activity (human or otherwise)? Any motive, morality, or plan that we can invent to 'make sense' of their activities is a projection, that will mainly serve to tell us something about ourselves.
What we *can* do, however, is to perceive how such activity *affects us here*. We can think about what the effects of such action means to us, and act accordingly.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-28-2010
i think you are missing the fact that all the rays lie in the basis of the activities in this universe. from 1 to 8th, all rays interact and work, even if in potentiation. this planet is in 3rd/4th density yet, and 5d is just in potentiation, but there is abundant amounts of art, literature, expression of self in the planet. blue ray activity.
this 'linear thinking' concept baffles me. what is linear thinking ?
cause<->effect relationships ?
so, in higher densities, these go away because the existence is not 'linear' ?
or, is it so that the cause<->effects work interchangeably, and much more rapidly than the lower densities that, it is perceived as if not 'linear' ? things happening much faster than another density, time flowing much slower and more things happening in the meantime, does not make an environment/density act on different archetypes than the other densities.
in the end, there are mind, body, spirit. the blueprint of all existence, is told to be same to us, by Ra. therefore, it means that mind/body/spirits, mind/body/spirit complexes, all use the same underlying concepts everywhere, even if the archetypes are modified, particular rays emphasized, or the mechanics/laws of existence twisted and modified in depending on local logos's will.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-28-2010
Linear thinking is the use of step by step logic to evaluate and solve a problem or innovate upon a set of conditions. Linear thinking is utilizing a single perspective (point of origin), taking conclusions reached from observations of that single perspective and then applying the same logic to another situation that appears similar/the same. This mode of thinking emphasizes words and numbers in an objective manner.
Circular thinking is the usage of cycles to obtain results or analyze a set of conditions. This approach typically utilizes multiple perspectives dependent upon what portion of the cycle is applicable to the purposes of the evaluation. This approach considers the subjectivity of conditions in that no situation is ever the same. The point of origin is used as a base and the spin is measured from the point of origin to the secondary point to determine conditions. This mode of thinking emphasizes images and fractals in a subjective manner.
Neither is the better approach, a balance of both modes is preferrable due to the inherent properties of application.
Then there is, to use a buzzword, quantum thinking. A means which is not one or the other but the synthesis of logic and intuition - linear progression and chaotic/drastic shifts. This is centered in the evaluation of every situation as being unique and holding a potential ray of results. Quantum thinking also takes into account the subjectivity and ability of the observer to consciously steer the moment of now through the ray of potential. The most probable events of a time segment/arc are intuitively known and the affects of the concious interaction with those events can be predicted within a range of certainty so that the relationship of the quantum thinker can match up with an event in now in a fairly accurate nexus.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-28-2010
what happens if what you dub as linear thinking speeds up, and increasingly the 'linear' mind starts to process endless amount of possibilities due to the increasing 'megahertz' of thinking frequency ?
what happens if you add the interconnectedness to them, in between the minds, which create even greater 'megahertz' potential, just like how internet creates a vast gigantic processing network ?
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - thefool - 12-28-2010
Without getting into this complex maze of arguments and counter arguments. I would like to submit to the original intent of this thread.
Hybrids are nothing but mixing two separate dna types. Biologists make plant hybrids all the time. Alien hybrid is a matter of degree, taking the same essential principles.
Hybrids have existed through out the ages. Just check any of the myths- Hecules was son of demi-god and a mortal. And so were many more. In the same way Hindus have Hanumana and other mythical entities. These can not be just made up. So it is possible.
After all current humans are a result of many genetic changes and contain original dna from Pleaidians and then other races. it is called Earth Experiment for some reason, i suppose.
Grey hybrids- I don't know how true but Bashar prominently mentions it.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-28-2010
(12-28-2010, 10:29 AM)unity100 Wrote: what happens if what you dub as linear thinking speeds up, and increasingly the 'linear' mind starts to process endless amount of possibilities due to the increasing 'megahertz' of thinking frequency ?
what happens if you add the interconnectedness to them, in between the minds, which create even greater 'megahertz' potential, just like how internet creates a vast gigantic processing network ?
Then you have a very rapidly functioning linear mind complex. The point of origin is the significant detail, linear progression follows from the learning experience gathered from inception or birth of an entity. Quantum thought uses Now as the point of origin.
What happens if you get a faster computer but still use it to run all the same programs?
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-28-2010
(12-28-2010, 02:54 PM)Protonexus Wrote: Then you have a very rapidly functioning linear mind complex. The point of origin is the significant detail, linear progression follows from the learning experience gathered from inception or birth of an entity. Quantum thought uses Now as the point of origin.
What happens if you get a faster computer but still use it to run all the same programs?
the catch is that, those network of computers with 'linear mind' are the collective that is creating the reality they are in. the reality they are in, are created by themselves infinitesmally and in minute detail.
if you hook all those computers up with each other, and establish a network that is in connection at all times, reality creation becomes a co-activity, and any part of the network instantly becomes aware of what is being done on another part of the network and what possible effects that will have on other parts of the network.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-28-2010
(12-28-2010, 03:27 PM)unity100 Wrote:(12-28-2010, 02:54 PM)Protonexus Wrote: Then you have a very rapidly functioning linear mind complex. The point of origin is the significant detail, linear progression follows from the learning experience gathered from inception or birth of an entity. Quantum thought uses Now as the point of origin.
What happens if you get a faster computer but still use it to run all the same programs?
the catch is that, those network of computers with 'linear mind' are the collective that is creating the reality they are in. the reality they are in, are created by themselves infinitesmally and in minute detail.
if you hook all those computers up with each other, and establish a network that is in connection at all times, reality creation becomes a co-activity, and any part of the network instantly becomes aware of what is being done on another part of the network and what possible effects that will have on other parts of the network.
That is no longer linear progression. That is a metaphor of what the human mind is realizing through co-creative capacity and subjective reasoning.
The catch is that computers are designed via the thoughtforms of the human mind and reflect the abilities of that mind. The human being is the most advanced technology on Earth. Just like a computer, if the programming is not carried out effectively, the mind will function in a limited/distorted way.
What you appear to be proposing is a cloud of linear thinkers all contributing to an interconnected reality (like ants or bees). What I am proposing is that interconnected reality and multiple perspectives already exist within the individual which is simultaneously the collective.
What linear thought has difficulty with is non-logical events, or seemingly chaotic affects of the inconvenient emotional response. Cycles of expansion and contraction also provide difficulty for linear progression. This mode of thought is not very effective for predicting or mitigating conditions that do not have a historical basis or predetermined observed value. The linear thought model does not have the concept that concious attention can co-create the least likely probability through attempted aversion.
Now, in this moment, humanity is progressing towards the telepathic collective using the tool of the internet. It is not fully operational. What is fully operational is the collective experience offered by the soul record which is the dynamic database of human being which is largely subconcious - hence the reason why collective telepathy is not yet functional. Linear thought has the outline of events that must occur in stages for this to be manifest conciously. Quantum thought is already there, there is no journey of steps to be taken, the being is fully realized in the moment of now.
Linear thought builds a ship out of metals, polymers and electronic instruments to travel to the moon, trains astronauts, runs theoretical tests Quantum thought thinks it is on the moon.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-28-2010
(12-28-2010, 04:14 PM)Protonexus Wrote: ...........
you should approach it this way :
the true state of existence is a cloud of interconnected computer units.
the 'linearity' in 3d (veiled worlds) ensues from the computers being cut off from network.
this, limits their reach and processing power to only what they see, and their own cpu power. they are able to see, process and react to only the part of existence they are able to behold in their vicinity.
with the veil gone, the computers are connected to the network again, more and more. this increases their capabilities as a unit, but also it increases the capabilities of the network they are in.
and as the densities progress upwards, the cloud increasingly becomes synced, acting as if it was a single computer that is comprised of endless number of small computers.
and since the cloud is the one which is creating its own reality, there appears all the phenomenon you speak of, like synchronicity, 'now', and others. there is no time limit in this, because the collective is the thing that manifests the concept time, by its activities. (if all activities stop, nothing changes, there is no time).
indeed the computer we have in front of us is a construct of mind, limited (rather limited maybe) to 3d.
however, just like anything else, it carries the same blueprint of existence as Ra tells us, and also it is naturally a product of spirit, as the mind is a construct of spirit and what projects the spirit into the manifestations.
this makes the cloud of computers a good analogy. the only thing missing (for now) is emotion, and that also gets into the equation when you count in the fact that computers are operated by entities which have emotion.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-28-2010
Linear progression also doesn't take into account the teachings of entities such as Ra which springboard awareness of human beings in a multiverse that is biased towards the development of life.
Long story short, sudden realization is always a possibility and will easily jump hurdles laid out by linear processes. Or will not even acknowledge obstacles or steps at all.
For the small percentage of those penetrating the veil, mostly wanderers, there is not or never was a disconnection. The work of the wanderers is how to actually link up the rest of humanity.
Emotion is a very complex calculation when assessed from a logical perspective, from an intuitive perspective (empathic) it is very simple. Hence the need to balance linear and circular thoughtforms and synergize.
It is also appropriate to introduce the idea that there is only one intelligence and individual human beings access that through a variety of antennas.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-28-2010
(12-28-2010, 04:31 PM)Protonexus Wrote: Linear progression also doesn't take into account the teachings of entities such as Ra which springboard awareness of human beings in a multiverse that is biased towards the development of life.
i dont think there is relevance in between what i have said, and your reply. however, i will express my opinion on the above, still.
you have to remember that the reality that all these are in, is created from, and based on the representation that a photon makes, by going infinitely on a straight line, linearly, as Ra tells us.
the photon, which is the defining factor of densities (ra says us the core vibration of the photon determines a density), travels in a straight line.
basically i see all these things like 'quantum' etc, as buzzwords. a lot of such stuff came and went in the last decade, and new ones seem to be invented whenever a new buzzword are necessary.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-28-2010
I recognize your thoughtforms pertaining to this subject. You perceive that the disconnected humans are limited in their abilities of collective perception and processing - this is linear thinking - the separation of processing units to identify and exploit their qualities without considering (or being able to consider) the affect upon the whole mind/body/spirit archetypes of the galaxy and multiverse. This is the purpose of wanderers incarnating
Now without disconnection.
Buzzwords are useful although not entirely logical or accurate, they are sometimes necessary to describe thoughtforms that do not fit well into the established languages. Until Earth has a fully functioning telepathic grid by which human beings choose to communicate thoughtform to thoughtform, innovative usage of connotation of existing vocabulary will be necessary to convey exotic and extradimensional concepts.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - zenmaster - 12-28-2010
(12-28-2010, 06:06 AM)unity100 Wrote: this 'linear thinking' concept baffles me. what is linear thinking ?yes.
cause<->effect relationships ?
(12-28-2010, 06:06 AM)unity100 Wrote: so, in higher densities, these go away because the existence is not 'linear' ?In order to have "linear thinking", you have to determine cause-effect relationships. In order to determine cause-effect relationships, you have to evaluate. This evaluation process is filtered through a knowledge base (one's experience) composed of artificial dualities.
"thinking"-directed cognitive evaluation views the linear-emergent qualities of whole to part, while "feeling"-directed cognitive evaluation views the circular-emergent qualities of part to whole. Thinking is "causal' - that is, setting up a chain of events, while Feeling is "acausal" or how the chain may be linked.
Cognitive understanding is obviously developmental.
In developmental psychology, Jean Piaget developed a stage theory that showed the changes in cognitive process and abilities of children. The stages are:
1. Sensorimotor
2. Preoperational
3. Concrete Operational
4. Formal Operational
The evolution of cognition continues to "post-formal" stages...These emerging stages, capable of transcending rational-objective-linear thought, have been identified (by Ken Wilber, et al) as:
5. Vision Logic
6. Psychic
7. Subtle
8. Causal
9. Non dual
Peter Collins has correlated stages of cognitive development with forms of mathematical explanation or interpretation. The result is Holistic mathematics - representing a "subtle synthesis of reason and intuition. It is designed to provide an original and precise framework for the scientific integration of diverse fields of knowledge."
Holistic mathematics is an interpretation both of math and of mind. The aim of Holistic mathematics is to provide a genuine scientific approach, not merely philosophical, and I believe it may offer a significant advantage as far as contextualizing our assumptions in our attempts to explain physical phenomena. Also, in that the identifiable behavior of matter seems to follow from a behavior of mind (matter is experienced - experience is of mind), some new insight into the nature of matter may be found in his model.
In Collins' Twelve Stage Model, more refined distinctions are provided starting at Piaget's first rational stage, "Concrete Operational", which Collins designates as Level 0 (L0).
I like Peter Collin's system as outlined here.
Nick Thomas Wrote:Steiner reported that in a higher state of consciousness a different kind of space is experienced that is polar opposite to our ordinary Euclidean one. Such a consciousness [a] looks in the from the periphery towards an unreachable inwardness in contrast to our normal consciousness [b] which looks out from a centre towards an unreachable outwardness, i.e towards an outer infinity.
Consciousness type [a] corresponds to the psychological faculty of feeling and consciousness [b] is the faculty of thinking.
[a] The perception of time (counterspace) via feelings (view from time to space):
(Some of the following concepts excerpted http://tap3x.net/ENSEMBLE/mpage3c.html) :
Looking from the whole, or "periphery" to the part has been explained as
o an everpresent field, constantly shifting in character and tone, a backdrop against
which objects of our attention are selectively relevated.
o Through feeling we experience the underlying whole against which 'objects' of our
perception (gestalt 'figures') are relevated:
o Everything distinguishable in experience is interconnected, embedded within a
total-whole that penetrates and envelops it.
o The experience-qualities of this total-whole are the feelings and emotions.
o The properties of the circle, the cycle, continuity, wholeness
o Time is inherently "now", not characterized by events
zen consciousness
o Subjective / Inside
o Change seen as an aspect of the whole in relation to the part
[b] The perception of space via thinking (view from space to time):
o the properties of the line, seperateness, discreteness
o Stage or container concept for particles. Larson's "unit".
o Time unfolds as a linear succession (past-to-future) of discrete events
o Euclidean geometry
o Objective / Outside
Aristotle - "the cosmos (or Reality) exists independently of us and our consciousness"
o Change seen as an aspect of the part in relation to the whole
Interestingly, Peter Collins explained that "...it was in a short book by one of his followers Jolande Jacobi that I found mention of the fact that Jung intended his four functions as an explanation, not only of psychological behaviour, but also in some way of the physical nature of space and time." Also, "...In dynamic terms thinking, sensation, feeling and intuition mutually interact with each other (and have no meaning in the absence of each other)." Just like space and time have no meaning apart from each other.
What is interesting is that in 3rd density the objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind, in a person having thinking-dominant/feeling inferior bias. However, the opposite is also true with the feeling-dominant person, where the subjective or temporal component of mind is emphasized at the expense of the spatial component of mind. Traditionally science, in its need for an objective interpretation, tends to have the former (i.e. thinking-dominant) approach, while mysticism, in its need for a subjective interpretation, is using the latter (feeling-dominant) approach. Apparently, at the "subtle" (Ra's 4th Density) level of experience, thinking and feeling become the same thing - that is both aspects of are equally available to the experiencer (i.e. In 4D there is no genetic or environmental "personality type"-bias, so personality is not defined by psyche-faculty access modes).
The harmony of the thinking and feeling can be thought of as the "nondual" (Ra's 6th density) experience - where apparently differentiation and integration (i.e. as thinking and feeling) are able to exist (in mind) simultaneously. So in nondual, the circular nature of experience is seen to be precisely the same as the linear nature of experience - any distinction (or confusion) posited between the two is using a "lower" interpretative stage.
The 3rd-density objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind. This contributes to the separating experience (the veil) that the mystics (like Krishnamurti) have transcended to some degree. Non-dual states (of "post trans") are also examples of transcending these "asymmetric default settings".
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-29-2010
(12-28-2010, 04:52 PM)Protonexus Wrote: I recognize your thoughtforms pertaining to this subject. You perceive that the disconnected humans are limited in their abilities of collective perception and processing - this is linear thinking - the separation of processing units to identify and exploit their qualities without considering (or being able to consider) the affect upon the whole mind/body/spirit archetypes of the galaxy and multiverse.
yes. actually similar examples are found right on this planet. ant colonies. it is also suggested recently that, there is a global ant colony from a certain species of ants, acting consistently across all the globe even.
(12-28-2010, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: In order to have "linear thinking", you have to determine cause-effect relationships. In order to determine cause-effect relationships, you have to evaluate. This evaluation process is filtered through a knowledge base (one's experience) composed of artificial dualities.
"thinking"-directed cognitive evaluation views the linear-emergent qualities of whole to part, while "feeling"-directed cognitive evaluation views the circular-emergent qualities of part to whole. Thinking is "causal' - that is, setting up a chain of events, while Feeling is "acausal" or how the chain may be linked.
Cognitive understanding is obviously developmental.
the fine detail here is that, in the case of mind/body/spirit, the thinker (entity) is also the creator of the reality, in infinitesmall bits.
so basically, when we take a situation in which this individual thinker/creator is isolated from all others, the situation becomes linear, because there is only what you create, and what you see in front of you, and there is little evaluation to be done in regard to what may end up just a few moments later, due to effects coming from other creating cpus.
in the case of a collective, however, like when all entities are connected, each cpu is aware of what the other is creating as a whole. and the whole network would be 'just knowing' what the resultant vector would be at any given locale, due to infinite eyes, infinite brains not only observing and evaluating the situations in front of them directly and sharing, but also creating the reality they are in.
with that, it would be inevitable to start having synchronicity and other similar 'nonlinear' dubbed sitautions.
actually, the synchronous situation would have resulted from infinite numbers of infinitesmall creators/thinkers creating infinite conditions, which could be called linear. but, when you sum up all the results that the collective, harmonized network creates, it naturally feels as if it was something 'nonlinear' to the individual cpu/computer.
this is how i see it. it is in the most base level, however, when the creative faculties are put in, such a network would basically be defining its own reality, time and space.
Quote:In developmental psychology, Jean Piaget developed a stage theory that showed the changes in cognitive process and abilities of children. The stages are:
1. Sensorimotor
2. Preoperational
3. Concrete Operational
4. Formal Operational
..............
there is a catch here though - the progression of development of a child, is basically the body complex developing and becoming capable to manifest in the physical reality of the planet. it is not a defining factor of the mind per se, however, its limitations for manifesting.
moreover, a goodly part of these limitations, come from societal biases, which have nothing to do with the physical capabilities of the body complex.
these limitations start to kick in when the kid starts to perceive society and society starts conditioning it.
Quote:Steiner reported that in a higher state of consciousness a different kind of space is experienced that is polar opposite to our ordinary Euclidean one. Such a consciousness [a] looks in the from the periphery towards an unreachable inwardness in contrast to our normal consciousness [b] which looks out from a centre towards an unreachable outwardness, i.e towards an outer infinity.
Consciousness type [a] corresponds to the psychological faculty of feeling and consciousness [b] is the faculty of thinking.
curious. then, with this approach, would the interactions in between entity and the outer space and the results of these interactions in regard to feelings would be happening in the outer plane, and inner plane, respectively ? the consciousness looking towards outside interacts, and the consciousness looking towards inside, feels ?
Quote:o Through feeling we experience the underlying whole against which 'objects' of our
perception (gestalt 'figures') are relevated:
o Everything distinguishable in experience is interconnected, embedded within a
total-whole that penetrates and envelops it.
o The experience-qualities of this total-whole are the feelings and emotions.
o The properties of the circle, the cycle, continuity, wholeness
o Time is inherently "now", not characterized by events
zen consciousness
o Subjective / Inside
o Change seen as an aspect of the whole in relation to the part
[b] The perception of space via thinking (view from space to time):
o the properties of the line, seperateness, discreteness
o Stage or container concept for particles. Larson's "unit".
o Time unfolds as a linear succession (past-to-future) of discrete events
o Euclidean geometry
o Objective / Outside
Aristotle - "the cosmos (or Reality) exists independently of us and our consciousness"
o Change seen as an aspect of the part in relation to the whole
these seem to be in sync with my approach.
the only exception is that, the creating of the reality that they are in, is missing from the above list.
Quote:What is interesting is that in 3rd density the objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind, in a person having thinking-dominant/feeling inferior bias. However, the opposite is also true with the feeling-dominant person, where the subjective or temporal component of mind is emphasized at the expense of the spatial component of mind. Traditionally science, in its need for an objective interpretation, tends to have the former (i.e. thinking-dominant) approach, while mysticism, in its need for a subjective interpretation, is using the latter (feeling-dominant) approach.
plausible.
Quote:Apparently, at the "subtle" (Ra's 4th Density) level of experience, thinking and feeling become the same thing - that is both aspects of are equally available to the experiencer (i.e. In 4D there is no genetic or environmental "personality type"-bias, so personality is not defined by psyche-faculty access modes).
The harmony of the thinking and feeling can be thought of as the "nondual" (Ra's 6th density) experience - where apparently differentiation and integration (i.e. as thinking and feeling) are able to exist (in mind) simultaneously.
i dont think 4d is the place that happens. i very much think that it is a balancing process that continues way until end of 7d. and not only affects the psyche, but also reality too.
i think its basically the uneven distribution of space/time and time/space. when these two become evenly distributed, thought becomes form and form becomes feeling, and the perfect infinity is attained.
Quote:The 3rd-density objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind. This contributes to the separating experience (the veil) that the mystics (like Krishnamurti) have transcended to some degree. Non-dual states (of "post trans") are also examples of transcending these "asymmetric default settings".
plausible.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-29-2010
(12-29-2010, 04:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: the fine detail here is that, in the case of mind/body/spirit, the thinker (entity) is also the creator of the reality, in infinitesmall bits.
so basically, when we take a situation in which this individual thinker/creator is isolated from all others, the situation becomes linear, because there is only what you create, and what you see in front of you, and there is little evaluation to be done in regard to what may end up just a few moments later, due to effects coming from other creating cpus.
in the case of a collective, however, like when all entities are connected, each cpu is aware of what the other is creating as a whole. and the whole network would be 'just knowing' what the resultant vector would be at any given locale, due to infinite eyes, infinite brains not only observing and evaluating the situations in front of them directly and sharing, but also creating the reality they are in.
with that, it would be inevitable to start having synchronicity and other similar 'nonlinear' dubbed sitautions.
actually, the synchronous situation would have resulted from infinite numbers of infinitesmall creators/thinkers creating infinite conditions, which could be called linear. but, when you sum up all the results that the collective, harmonized network creates, it naturally feels as if it was something 'nonlinear' to the individual cpu/computer.
There are not an infinite amount of individuals or units on this planet, neither the galaxy, nor multiverse. This is completely a hypothetical statement.
Your theory is quite comparable to what I presented within the 'quantum thinking' buzzword. The basis of my posting was to inform of what linear thinking actually means and why it is troublesome to the harvest for these linear models to be the governing agents of most of the worlds laws, regulations and education.
I understand the points you are making but do not see the practical application on this Earth. There is not nearly the harmony even among those that have awoken to interconnection and chosen to serve others incarnated in human vessels to form a collective that could function as you described at this time. Is there a plan to assist in the manifestation of this theory or does it have to wait for 4d?
Such a collective at this time would be sub/un-conscious for those that can not accept the responsibility of this. The truth movement is a most important symptom of this process of awakening to interconnection of all one.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - unity100 - 12-29-2010
(12-29-2010, 05:50 AM)Protonexus Wrote: There are not an infinite amount of individuals or units on this planet, neither the galaxy, nor multiverse. This is completely a hypothetical statement.
not on this planet. however, ra tells us creation/existence is infinite. that would mean there are also infinite amount of individuals/units in existence.
and, all of these are connected through basic levels, like roots of mind.
Quote:I understand the points you are making but do not see the practical application on this Earth. There is not nearly the harmony even among those that have awoken to interconnection and chosen to serve others incarnated in human vessels to form a collective that could function as you described at this time. Is there a plan to assist in the manifestation of this theory or does it have to wait for 4d?
i think its already in existence. the internet. like the 3-4d transitionary bodies, it seems to be somewhat simulating the society complex phenomenon.
there isnt harmony, but there is collective behavior.
Quote:Such a collective at this time would be sub/un-conscious for those that can not accept the responsibility of this. The truth movement is a most important symptom of this process of awakening to interconnection of all one.
i dont think that is something that can be avoided for those who are of sufficiently high vibration. it is something that the increasing green ray vibration carries with it, and for those who are affected by it, it will be inevitable.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Protonexus - 12-29-2010
The basis of the social memory complex is the collective thoughtform entity. By investing free will choice into belief of a thoughtform, it is brought to life, instilled with a gravity and personality. This is the power used by religions, nations, and sports teams. It is the same power that will create the human being social memory complex when a harmony level is achieved and dynamically balanced. The internet is technologically assisted inception of telepathy, our minds are of course far more valuable for direct communication of thoughtforms without ever needing words.
Many people I have encountered have a great fear of letting go of their seperate lives.
RE: UFO's/Abductions/Hybrids - Ashim - 12-30-2010
(12-29-2010, 06:11 AM)Protonexus Wrote: The internet is technologically assisted inception of telepathy, our minds are of course far more valuable for direct communication of thought forms without ever needing words.
Many people I have encountered have a great fear of letting go of their separate lives.
I had this experience but I would not describe it as fear looking back.
My body seemed to have its own ego and was not too happy about 'giving in' to the higher self. The guides kept saying 'just observe your emotions and let them pass on'.
As the process progressed and more and more of my higher self became integrated the knot just un-tied itself.
It felt like the magical personality 'won' and the body settled down.
Sure I still am Christopher as an aspect, I can slip into character to suit the situation, but I am so much more Ashim as to render this particular incarnational experience but a minute holographic particle of the total oversoul experience.
I'm not sure if remembering past incarnational experience is necessary for all folks on the planet to enable them to awake to their highest state, probably not. This however was for me personally a major step, or better said, ongoing process.
Has this happened at an earlier space/time then yes, there would have been considerable fear. This would have depolarised to quite a degree and postponed the awakening path.
I also chose to 'shine a long way into the dark' during this 'life' which would probably be fairly untypical for many and would explain, to an extent the narrative of my life experiences.
Protonexus, you make beautiful words.
Thank you.
Love & Light