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RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Ming the Merciful - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 02:32 PM)Stranger Wrote: Ming, the "gods" created by our imaginations might be laughing and mocking us, but the actual God knows that we are a part of him and we are him, and therefore loves us unconditionally and without reservation, and delights in us as we delight in the play of our own children. God is patient with us in our fumbling explorations, knowing - through his own experience as us - that the world we're in is very challenging. Instead of mocking our ignorance, he admires our courage as demonstrated by our willingness to descend into ignorance, again and again, like into a mine, to return with spiritual treasures.
Love, curiosity, excitement about the infinite adventure of Creation are what the Creator feels, what accompanies the process of creation.
It is true, the God(s) mock us, and play with us like immature playthings. Little pets. I agree, we return and return, (in search of Ultimate Truth), which is hidden behind the mysterious veil. It is so close, (and yet so far). There are moments when you can almost taste it, it is that close, and then it disappears and returns to the VOID. I would use the word "Love" wisely. If according to the current-day philosophical treatises and following tradition back to the Vedas, (and beyond), using such words makes the God(s) appear as egotistical and self-loving, (not a terminology I would normally use). Too wishy-washy and sentimental for my liking. Love is only a pretense of the Bible, and not mentioned in other Philosophical Works. Krishna never told Arjuna that he loved him? Arjuna would had died of embarrassment. Lord Krishna, come down from your pedestal and become Human, and then you can love me? Shiva and Shakti would laugh at Krishna for such defilements. Brahma would excommunicate Krishna from the OTHER EXISTENCE for using such sentimentalities and be banished for eternity. In that pretext, "Love" becomes a weakness of the God(s), and only a Human conditioning and concept
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - flofrog - 05-11-2021
But you dont except Bhakti Marga, Ming ?
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Ming the Merciful - 05-12-2021
(05-11-2021, 08:31 PM)flofrog Wrote: But you dont except Bhakti Marga, Ming ?
Yes, I accept the Bhakti Marga, (but), the conditioning of the West is a sentimental type of love, (and unrealistic). The love for a grandmother or an aunt. Not the profound love of the Vedas. There is love, (and there is love). The true love of the God(s) is beyond sentimentality. It would had been an embarrassment for Krishna to love Arjuna, (in the Christian context). That is what Stranger was implying, where I disagree. Although the "Law of One" pretext verges into the sentimentality regarding "Universal Love". What I try to avoid.
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Doomchief - 05-12-2021
I think current human languages do not operate with concepts suitable for expression of the nature of the Creator as the principle of cosmic Love. The Love that destroys its Creation only to revive it again.
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Patrick - 05-12-2021
I have this idea that Intelligent Infinity is in eternal Joy. Not that it sits in some kind of neutral state.
So then all the distortions that seemingly takes it away from that eternal Joy are only used to contrast this eternal Joy. This way it becomes ever more aware of this eternal Joy which cannot grow since it is already absolute. But it becomes able to appreciate that state ever more with each distortion that seemingly takes it further away from the eternal Joy.
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Ming the Merciful - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 09:53 AM)Patrick Wrote: I have this idea that Intelligent Infinity is in eternal Joy. Not that it sits in some kind of neutral state.
So then all the distortions that seemingly takes it away from that eternal Joy are only used to contrast this eternal Joy. This way it becomes ever more aware of this eternal Joy which cannot grow since it is already absolute. But it becomes able to appreciate that state ever more with each distortion that seemingly takes it further away from the eternal Joy.
As with everything "Universally" is Profound. Continuity out of Chaos. Universal Love, is a State, (within itself). As with everything, (and the disappearing into the VOID). Once again, it is one of those concepts that cannot be explained from Human conditioning. What I like about the concept of Non-Duality, it removes the Mysticism of Spirituality. it becomes the ultimate expression of AS IT IS, (in an Absolute State). Removing the clutter attached to the search for Enlightenment. There is no need to go looking for something which cannot be found. Look within your 'Self" There it is? You then slap yourself on the wrist. It kicks you from inside and then reveals itself. It is not that I am moving away from the Law of One, (per se), if anything I am getting closer to it. Yet, entering it from a different direction. Before entering the room, leave all the garbage outside. Hoarders are not allowed to enter here. Avoid becoming a "Spiritual Hoarder", they carry too many things, and Enlightenment is dragging along the ground. Patrick, I like playing with metaphors. They are my best friends. Anyhow, you catch my drift?
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Stranger - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 09:51 AM)Doomchief Wrote: I think current human languages do not operate with concepts suitable for expression of the nature of the Creator as the principle of cosmic Love. The Love that destroys its Creation only to revive it again.
The consciousness of the Creator can never be destroyed. All that is created, experienced, and ultimately set aside or destroyed are shapes the Creator's consciousness takes on in order to experience Creation through them. Characters in a video game. The Player is always the same, eternal, infinite, and cannot be harmed.
We mistakenly think of ourselves as the character, instead of the Player. That too is by design - to experience the world *as* the character more fully - but just as the soul loses nothing when it sets aside a particular incarnation and its body, so too does the Creator lose nothing by setting aside a fully explored portion of Creation. The benefit of the experience is retained, and the exploration continues anew. That is what we call "destruction."
If you look at it from this perspective, "destruction" is in no way at odds with love.
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Ming the Merciful - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 02:52 PM)Stranger Wrote:(05-12-2021, 09:51 AM)Doomchief Wrote: I think current human languages do not operate with concepts suitable for expression of the nature of the Creator as the principle of cosmic Love. The Love that destroys its Creation only to revive it again.
The consciousness of the Creator can never be destroyed. All that is created, experienced, and ultimately set aside or destroyed are shapes the Creator's consciousness takes on in order to experience Creation through them. Characters in a video game. The Player is always the same, eternal, infinite, and cannot be harmed.
We mistakenly think of ourselves as the character, instead of the Player. That too is by design - to experience the world *as* the character more fully - but just as the soul loses nothing when it sets aside a particular incarnation and its body, so too does the Creator lose nothing by setting aside a fully explored portion of Creation. The benefit of the experience is retained, and the exploration continues anew. That is what we call "destruction."
If you look at it from this perspective, "destruction" is in no way at odds with love.
As the Consciousness of the Creator cannot be destroyed, are we not too a part of the Creator, (in Human form)? Self-existing and self-sustaining in countless forms, Going offtrack here, (a momentary diversion). Last night I watched a train cab ride video in Japan on YouTube, and it was a railway line passing through the mountains and forests. A moment of "Awakening" during the video. Have you ever considered how many trillions of life-forms are in various states of incarnation, (simultaneously), on Earth? As the train passed the countless numbers of trees, and every individual tree evolving to a Higher Conscious State, to eventually become Human, (and then God(s)), and we observe the overall picture, (as the Observer), we, (as Humans), have gained much, in our myriad lifetimes. Return, (and return again), and again I return, and yet, I still remain unworthy to enter the "Realms of the God(s)". Now getting back on-track.
Enlightenment is a cruel beast. It is forever taunting you, and deceiving you, into convincing you it is something, that it is not. We are deceived by delusions and hearsay. We search for Prophets to Enlighten us, and most of them are charlatans and magicians. I should become a friend of Shiva, (the Great Destroyer), because maybe then He can destroy all my misconceptions of Reality and Enlightenment? It then becomes the Paradox of Zen. To comprehend Zen, you must destroy Zen. It appears that a new beast is appearing on the horizon, the pet of Shiva, An animal that will take everything that you have understood up to that moment, and then it will destroy all your misconceptions. It is not Enlightenment you need, (but), a different type of Awakening. Tread gently when walking near Enlightenment, if you awaken it too quickly, it will hide itself in the VOID until it is safe to return. It appears as if Non-Duality wants to become my new pet, and Enlightenment is hiding somewhere inside of it. If I care for Non-Duality wisely, Enlightenment will lose its shyness and reveal itself? So, it appears as if the God(s) want me to evolve more? Such is my fate? At least I am not a tree, I have gained something? Honor the myriad of myriads of Beings that are still evolving. Do we ever give them a thought? Perhaps I should take Shinto more seriously?
So ends the soliloquy,
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Sacred Fool - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 09:44 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Although the "Law of One" pretext verges into the sentimentality regarding "Universal Love".
As I read it, the Ra Material indicates that one experiences love according to the level of consciousness which one is able to experience. If you cannot open to green ray consciousness, then love is pragmatic or sentimental, etc. You may experience love of country or family and so forth, but it will not be a transcendent experience. On the level of deep green ray consciousness, love is wholly universal and pure. On levels of of consciousness beyond this, the experience of love of further refined, but never becomes less than universal and certainly not sentimental in the way you are using the term.
RE: Non-Duality (instant Enlightenment) - Doomchief - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 02:52 PM)Stranger Wrote: The consciousness of the Creator can never be destroyed. All that is created, experienced, and ultimately set aside or destroyed are shapes the Creator's consciousness takes on in order to experience Creation through them. Characters in a video game. The Player is always the same, eternal, infinite, and cannot be harmed.I agree that there is no loss. The Creator is eternal. We live through the experience from the first perspective though. So the Love is going through a lot of hardship some of which was not even present in the Original Thought of the Creator. I feel in a sense it is quite remarkable that we can find such examples on Earth.
We mistakenly think of ourselves as the character, instead of the Player. That too is by design - to experience the world *as* the character more fully - but just as the soul loses nothing when it sets aside a particular incarnation and its body, so too does the Creator lose nothing by setting aside a fully explored portion of Creation. The benefit of the experience is retained, and the exploration continues anew. That is what we call "destruction."
If you look at it from this perspective, "destruction" is in no way at odds with love.
I think with that understanding may come some responsibility for ones thoughts and actions.