(01-22-2021, 02:52 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 02:04 AM)Louisabell Wrote: So when I spoke of self-sufficiency, I meant the means by which we carry the charge within to allow one's self to be moved, inspired, guided and ultimately used as an instrument of the Creatrix. That is what I see as self-sufficiency, not so much the lack of interaction with other-selves.

Perhaps I should have been more clear.  I wasn't trying to quibble with your wording, but your quoting Ra was a way I could use that multi-meaning phrase, self-sufficiency, to make a point I wished to advance.
  

(01-22-2021, 01:27 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:   There's an awkward element being touched upon in this thread regarding how much light to take into oneself and how much darkness.  Taking in darkness, taking on the dark, can engender pleasant feelings of power, self possession, the wisdom of having "knowledge of the game" and all that.  As you say, one can learn much about self from all that. 

(01-20-2021, 07:45 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: There is a city, accessible somewhere beyond a portal, in which their denizens are apparently really nice-looking and really positive. There is apparent order, harmony, and peace there. Much nature, much green, much consonance, at a first glance. Like in Ira Levin's This Perfect Day book.

However, there is a strict police force in the city. An amusing thing for somewhere so harmonic, wouldn't you think?

Then, while talking to one of these denizens, they reacted VIOLENTLY against the mention of the word "God", as if they really didn't like that word or what it meant. There, they praised this "Father" instead and insisted that only such word ought to be mentioned.

Mentions of the word "God" were abhorred by them. Isn't that interesting?

flofrog Wrote:This was many years ago, like thirty years. I was driving on a rough road in the afternoon to pick up my daughter at a basket ball training at her school. The road I was on was passing under a freeway, and just as I arrived in sight of the bridge under which I would drive, I saw that, approaching on my left, from the ramp to the freeway, an accident had just happened. There was glass debris and two cars damaged. Then I suddenly realized I had a flat tire, completely flat in like four seconds so I stopped by the side. My four years old son was sitting in the back so I told him, you'd better sit stil it's all ok, we are going to be fine.

Then I got to the trunk and took out the tools and the small spare tire. At that time a blue pickup stopped right behind me and a young man came out and gently said, if you like I can change your tire. I looked at him and said you know an accident just happened across the street and maybe they need your help more. He said nothing and just went back and sat on the hood of his pick up truck, and just looked at me. Not like here is a brainless blonde, but more like I will just sit there that is all.

After having got the jack under the car I turned around ( I could see my little boy trying to see what was going on) and I said, a bit ashamed, all right then, you know if you are not interested into this more interesting accident, if you dont mind helping me then.
He said nothing, just smiled and then in like 45 seconds he had changed the tire. I thanked him said I wish I could do the same for him or something as smart as that, he just smiled and climbed back in his truck. And then, he made a U turn and drove away in the other direction.

(01-20-2021, 11:02 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: I have an honest question. Does the positive path not contain both light and darkness?

I ask this because the harvest requirement is 51%+/50%-..... so clearly there is a balance of light and dark there, if we are talking about minimal requirements at least

I agree that focusing on these things isn’t conducive to good health (on all levels) however I just don’t think it would do any good to just like...... never talk about these things? I don’t know, I might be missing what you’re saying totally hahahaha so let me know if that’s the case

(01-22-2021, 11:21 AM)jafar Wrote:

(01-20-2021, 07:45 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: There is a city, accessible somewhere beyond a portal, in which their denizens are apparently really nice-looking and really positive. There is apparent order, harmony, and peace there. Much nature, much green, much consonance, at a first glance. Like in Ira Levin's This Perfect Day book.

However, there is a strict police force in the city. An amusing thing for somewhere so harmonic, wouldn't you think?

Then, while talking to one of these denizens, they reacted VIOLENTLY against the mention of the word "God", as if they really didn't like that word or what it meant. There, they praised this "Father" instead and insisted that only such word ought to be mentioned.

Mentions of the word "God" were abhorred by them. Isn't that interesting?

Interesting.. The city name is Pyongyang?

(01-22-2021, 11:38 AM)jafar Wrote: 51% pos means 49% neg, and even 99% neg mean 1% pos.

(01-22-2021, 05:44 AM)zedro Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 01:27 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:   There's an awkward element being touched upon in this thread regarding how much light to take into oneself and how much darkness.  Taking in darkness, taking on the dark, can engender pleasant feelings of power, self possession, the wisdom of having "knowledge of the game" and all that.  As you say, one can learn much about self from all that. 

This take seems more like self projection more than anything else. No one is talking about limiting themselves at all.

(01-21-2021, 04:38 AM)zedro Wrote: I feel the positive influencers may be used sparingly, perhaps more on an emergency basis if we have been so clouded in darkness.

(01-20-2021, 04:41 AM)zedro Wrote: This is an incredibly naive interpretation that perhaps is representative of a lack of experience in these matters. This is akin to going to a village in the middle of a famine and wondering why the people prefer to starve.

(01-22-2021, 04:12 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 05:44 AM)zedro Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 01:27 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:   There's an awkward element being touched upon in this thread regarding how much light to take into oneself and how much darkness.  Taking in darkness, taking on the dark, can engender pleasant feelings of power, self possession, the wisdom of having "knowledge of the game" and all that.  As you say, one can learn much about self from all that. 

This take seems more like self projection more than anything else. No one is talking about limiting themselves at all.

(01-21-2021, 04:38 AM)zedro Wrote: I feel the positive influencers may be used sparingly, perhaps more on an emergency basis if we have been so clouded in darkness.

It's not for me to be decisive about this, but the quote directly above looks a lot like a big chosen limitation to me.
   

(01-20-2021, 09:25 PM)flofrog Wrote: After having got the jack under the car I turned around ( I could see my little boy trying to see what was going on) and I said, a bit ashamed, all right then, you know if you are not interested into this more interesting accident, if you dont mind helping me then.
He said nothing, just smiled and then in like 45 seconds he had changed the tire. I thanked him said I wish I could do the same for him or something as smart as that, he just smiled and climbed back in his truck.  And then,  he made a U turn and drove away in the other direction.

Quote:We previously mentioned that there was another kind of negativity, one which you need not fear, but which you might need to understand. And that is an unnatural negativity. One which is not balanced, but is chosen, purposely and perversely by those who would separate themselves from ongoing unity with the Creator. It is a choice of separation, and it is what we would call positive negativity, in that it is positively sought and encouraged.

Yes, my friends, there are those among you who are quite simply unnaturally negative. This is their path and they have chosen it. We do not wish to ask you to have any particular feeling about these people, one of whom is certainly in your mind at this time, for he is in the minds of all those whom we scan in your culture. We refer to the one known as Khomeini. We do not ask you to love, forgive or condone, for these are choices which you must make for yourself. We cannot help you choose your own spiritual reality. But we can hope to enhance your understanding of the fact that although even such a one as he is somewhat negative at this time, by his own choice, you must understand that the path of evolution is ultimately spiritual and is ultimately inevitable.

A negative person may choose at this time to make no progress. He will, however, at a later time have as many choices and opportunities as he needs to choose again. In your holy works there is something called, “The Day of Judgment,” and those who are evil, as we have spoken, are to be condemned forever. And yet, it is also written in your holy works, “Yea, though you go to the very doors of hell, I shall be with you.”

My friends, you may believe the teacher and not the judgmental statements that follow the teacher. Your heaven and your hell exist within you at this moment. And when you leave your physical body, your existence in the heaven worlds will depend completely upon your vibration in this incarnation. Thus, we ask that you use that balancing act of positive and negative, so that you are constantly learning, constantly moving in an evolutionary spiral that will lead you to a place wherein your infinite existence, after this brief life experience in this density, you will be comfortable, comforted and able to give comfort to others.

(01-22-2021, 12:11 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 11:21 AM)jafar Wrote:

(01-20-2021, 07:45 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: There is a city, accessible somewhere beyond a portal, in which their denizens are apparently really nice-looking and really positive. There is apparent order, harmony, and peace there. Much nature, much green, much consonance, at a first glance. Like in Ira Levin's This Perfect Day book.

However, there is a strict police force in the city. An amusing thing for somewhere so harmonic, wouldn't you think?

Then, while talking to one of these denizens, they reacted VIOLENTLY against the mention of the word "God", as if they really didn't like that word or what it meant. There, they praised this "Father" instead and insisted that only such word ought to be mentioned.

Mentions of the word "God" were abhorred by them. Isn't that interesting?

Interesting.. The city name is Pyongyang?

Oh, it is not a city from this spacetime dimension. As a matter of fact, it resembles the Maze Runner's Glade, though it had more technology than portrayed in the first movie. Though its denizens were mostly light-skinned, there wasn't any mentions to eastern traditions and names there.

(01-22-2021, 12:27 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 11:38 AM)jafar Wrote: 51% pos means 49% neg, and even 99% neg mean 1% pos.

I'm actually not really sure it's that clear cut. By default we are unpolarized beings and it is through our evolution in self-awareness we become polarized. If it was clear cut, then the first time you polarized upon something either way, you would be 100% of that polarity which does not make sense and does not seem even achievable in 4D from what the material says. So to me either percentage are more of a momentum upon a direction than a clear cut balance between positive and negative.

The pre-veiled experience had no concept of negative polarity and yet entities still had to grow upon the STO path to harvest, the process was simply extremely lengthier. So harvest was a notion of perhaps being 51% positively polarized and 49% unpolarized. In the same train of thought, I'd believe someone hitting the mark of 51% upon Earth is actually 51% positively polarized and has the remaining 49% with a repartition of negative polarization and still being unpolarized. So someone could very well be 51% positive, 10% negative and 39% unpolarized. To me the idea of being both 50% positive and 50% negative seems too contradictory to really work, so that's why I'd lean more to the idea that someone can remain largely unpolarized and to an extent partially negatively polarized.

Like the example of family like you mentioned, the material says that for the new 3D entity family and society are seen as an extension of the self and they call that a distortion that is not helpful toward progression in 3D and to be without polarity. So the bond of family is rooted in our 2D nature foremost and does not really define being positively polarized.

(01-25-2021, 04:44 PM)jafar Wrote: .

It doesn't mean that they will always stay constant in that 'state', sometimes high frequency entities could become angry as well and when it does their frequency signature will change to resonating in low frequency, albeit temporarily, before it change back to their 'default' state as the anger went away. Yet the 'default' state will become slightly skewed towards lower frequencies because of it. The same goes for low frequency resonating entities.. in opposite manner.

(01-25-2021, 04:44 PM)jafar Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 12:27 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(01-22-2021, 11:38 AM)jafar Wrote: 51% pos means 49% neg, and even 99% neg mean 1% pos.

I'm actually not really sure it's that clear cut. By default we are unpolarized beings and it is through our evolution in self-awareness we become polarized. If it was clear cut, then the first time you polarized upon something either way, you would be 100% of that polarity which does not make sense and does not seem even achievable in 4D from what the material says. So to me either percentage are more of a momentum upon a direction than a clear cut balance between positive and negative.

The pre-veiled experience had no concept of negative polarity and yet entities still had to grow upon the STO path to harvest, the process was simply extremely lengthier. So harvest was a notion of perhaps being 51% positively polarized and 49% unpolarized. In the same train of thought, I'd believe someone hitting the mark of 51% upon Earth is actually 51% positively polarized and has the remaining 49% with a repartition of negative polarization and still being unpolarized. So someone could very well be 51% positive, 10% negative and 39% unpolarized. To me the idea of being both 50% positive and 50% negative seems too contradictory to really work, so that's why I'd lean more to the idea that someone can remain largely unpolarized and to an extent partially negatively polarized.

Like the example of family like you mentioned, the material says that for the new 3D entity family and society are seen as an extension of the self and they call that a distortion that is not helpful toward progression in 3D and to be without polarity. So the bond of family is rooted in our 2D nature foremost and does not really define being positively polarized.

Well I tend to see polarity as it can be seen (or felt) in the 'auric body' or 'spiritual energy' of an entity.
And to me it best resemblance as 'frequency' in sound or music.
By 'positive' it means 'higher range of frequency' and by 'negative' it means 'lower range of frequency'.
And nobody is resonating only on higher range and missing the lower range (zero) and vice versa, nobody is only on lower range.

The 'default' state might be balanced, no dominant frequency, but as time progress and emotion incurred through having experiences, the frequency start to change in dynamic manner and it somehow affect or change the 'default' tone or frequency casting the entity's main characteristic. Some will become 'bass guitar' which no matter how you resonate the string, the dominant frequency lies on the lower range, and some will become 'cymbals', no matter how you strike it always resonating predominantly in higher frequencies.

High frequency resonating entities will be very rarely to become angry or feel insulted, they're peaceful and have very high tolerance of patience, very forgiving and very humble. While the low frequency resonating entities are restless, having low tolerance of being pissed off, insecure and fearful about practically anything and usually think very highly about themselves (proud) and think very lowly about others.

It doesn't mean that they will always stay constant in that 'state', sometimes high frequency entities could become angry as well and when it does their frequency signature will change to resonating in low frequency, albeit temporarily, before it change back to their 'default' state as the anger went away. Yet the 'default' state will become slightly skewed towards lower frequencies because of it. The same goes for low frequency resonating entities.. in opposite manner.

Quote:82.22 Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

(01-25-2021, 09:04 PM)Minyatur Wrote: So remaining in a state of divine happiness is actually not really helpful in polarizing. The quality of the choice toward being of service as we grow in self-awareness instead seems more of importance. In our environment with so many lower frequencies, we are actually offered a greater potential in efficiently polarizing than if we evolved without these lower frequencies. To me, it does seem like polarity is generated by the conscious perception of the paradox of duality between self and its other-selves, building up a charge in which the self has to pick a certain direction to its will. Without this quality of growing self-awareness, we are simply like 2D entities in all we feel and this is without the polarity required for harvest toward 4D.

(01-26-2021, 02:31 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: ...we must consider the fact that there may be plenty of other seekers with similar backgrounds who are much more new to the STO path but have full 6d negative experience. Despite the raw strength of the commitment to STO, it is untrained and untempered in these situations(at least in comparison to the negative wisdom).

(01-26-2021, 03:37 PM)zedro Wrote: But I never considered how a 6d wanderer who came from the STS path might express themselves here (well I might have wondered if that was my history considering the hell I went thru).

Quote:J: I find in myself a strong affinity for higher-density planes of both polarities and information about them. This and other things have led me to believe that I have wandered through higher-density planes, both positive and negative, and then chosen to hop back into the maelstrom of third density. Could you please verify this and discuss the phenomenon of individuals exploring both polarities into higher densities? Could this be merely a grand way of deferring true polarization?

We are those known to you as the principle of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. We tread close to the limits of free will as we respond to this question. In our opinion—and we offer it for what it is worth—the pattern which you describe is that of a sixth-density wanderer whose fifth-density experiences were felt by the sixth-density entity to have too marked an effect upon the basic ground of being which is represented by the pallid word “love” and by the activity of the student of fourth density in realizing fully …
(Side one of tape ends.)

(Carla channeling)
… the depths of that ground of being. The Thought that created all that there is was not a thought of wisdom. It was pure, unconditional, love. Consciousness is a Thought which creates and destroys the universe. That consciousness is a consciousness of love.

It is difficult to bring into focus within third density the function of wisdom. Perhaps the most skillful thing we could offer at this juncture is that which has been noted by all, we feel sure, and that is the difference between the thinking of the intellect and the thinking of the heart. Each entity knows people who seem to think with their hearts. Whether their intellects are great or modest, the solutions to the catalyst within their lives seem to involve the creative aspects of love.

Practices which aid an entity in becoming more aware of his own heart are those practices which are very momentary. It is difficult to discipline the self to use the present moment. But it is in the present moment that you may practice opening the heart.

Stop and think about your facial expression. Are you smiling? Are you frowning? Place upon your face the beginnings of a smile and each time that you become aware of your expression, curve up the edges of your lips into a slight smile. Over time, examine the results of this seemingly completely superficial practice.

When you become aware that you are entering the presence of another, take a moment to acknowledge, accept and admire the perfection of that individual. Naturally, that perfection is not apparent to the outer eye in most cases. Do not let that stop you. You know that each entity is the Creator. Take a moment to establish that acknowledgement, acceptance and admiration.

Before you arise from your bed, call for help. Your guidance system cannot begin to act actively in your life unless you call it, not just once but every day and every moment.
Wisdom has a tendency to create within an entity the feeling that he or she is powerful and self-sufficient. In truth, when power has been wedded to peace and light has been wedded to love, true power emerges. And in that power is rest. In that compassion is wisdom. But the ground upon which you stand in order to do this work of reconciling and harmonizing those factors that blend into who you are is love.

(01-26-2021, 03:37 PM)zedro Wrote:

(01-26-2021, 02:31 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: ...we must consider the fact that there may be plenty of other seekers with similar backgrounds who are much more new to the STO path but have full 6d negative experience. Despite the raw strength of the commitment to STO, it is untrained and untempered in these situations(at least in comparison to the negative wisdom).

This really lit up a bulb for me. One of the things I keep emphasizing is how our incarnational blueprint and individual karmic rulesets make all of our situations unique (especially for wanderers), which is why I will typically resist against general assertions on how we should 'act' and 'feel' and what that means for our polarities. While I feel I have a fairly good instinct about these things (learned from my own journey and directly witnessing those around me), there are still certain areas that confound me.

Wanderers and graduates have certain roles to play, and some have been active but most (I believe) are sidelined waiting for the big show. Some are here to simply raise the general vibration, some are here for missionary roles, some for teaching, and some for roles still obscured. Depending on what role in the game they are (or will) be playing will bring about a very unique experience, some living in simple but isolated harmony, others may be paying a hefty price to be here and just need to survive and hopefully make it to their destiny in reasonably good shape. And maybe along the way, pick up some experience.

So perhaps you come from a very old 6d SMC that wasn't exposed to a logos with negative polarity, you may not feel confident in exposing yourself to it, or conversely, the more adventurous might shine a light in foreboding places. But I never considered how a 6d wanderer who came from the STS path might express themselves here (well I might have wondered if that was my history considering the hell I went thru). I could see such a wanderer avoiding the possibility of depolarizing at all costs (Ra's story about Venus comes to mind), or conversely, that wanderer could also be an expert in the field, like an ex drug addict trying to keep kids from following the same path.

This is why it's so important we keep an open mind and not get dogmatic in these concepts. All teachings are a double edge sword and the LOO is no exception, and it's best if we are free to openly discuss these possibilities without judgement.

(01-26-2021, 04:46 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:

(01-26-2021, 03:37 PM)zedro Wrote:

(01-26-2021, 02:31 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: ...we must consider the fact that there may be plenty of other seekers with similar backgrounds who are much more new to the STO path but have full 6d negative experience. Despite the raw strength of the commitment to STO, it is untrained and untempered in these situations(at least in comparison to the negative wisdom).

This really lit up a bulb for me. One of the things I keep emphasizing is how our incarnational blueprint and individual karmic rulesets make all of our situations unique (especially for wanderers), which is why I will typically resist against general assertions on how we should 'act' and 'feel' and what that means for our polarities. While I feel I have a fairly good instinct about these things (learned from my own journey and directly witnessing those around me), there are still certain areas that confound me.

Wanderers and graduates have certain roles to play, and some have been active but most (I believe) are sidelined waiting for the big show. Some are here to simply raise the general vibration, some are here for missionary roles, some for teaching, and some for roles still obscured. Depending on what role in the game they are (or will) be playing will bring about a very unique experience, some living in simple but isolated harmony, others may be paying a hefty price to be here and just need to survive and hopefully make it to their destiny in reasonably good shape. And maybe along the way, pick up some experience.

So perhaps you come from a very old 6d SMC that wasn't exposed to a logos with negative polarity, you may not feel confident in exposing yourself to it, or conversely, the more adventurous might shine a light in foreboding places. But I never considered how a 6d wanderer who came from the STS path might express themselves here (well I might have wondered if that was my history considering the hell I went thru). I could see such a wanderer avoiding the possibility of depolarizing at all costs (Ra's story about Venus comes to mind), or conversely, that wanderer could also be an expert in the field, like an ex drug addict trying to keep kids from following the same path.

This is why it's so important we keep an open mind and not get dogmatic in these concepts. All teachings are a double edge sword and the LOO is no exception, and it's best if we are free to openly discuss these possibilities without judgement.

It is amusing how both paths, whether it is negative or positive, lead to the same merge, for All Is One and One Is All, isn't it?

Contrary to what may be prevalent in previous Densities levels, there actually might be a fairly good possibility of then-negatively polarized wanderers to incarnate here. I think you should expand that thought on a separate topic if you will, for your implication may be for the benefit of many.

(01-26-2021, 05:33 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: .

There is something special about Earth, a special role and function it seems to do better than any other place. It is a highly attractive and successful place for former STS beings to reform themselves and re-do 3d. Earth itself is somewhat of a "beacon for the lost", to put it one way.