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RE: The Weed Thread - Ymarsakar - 03-23-2021
I use essential oils but I do not use nor rely on mind affecting substances.
I never had a need for them, or rather when I had perhaps a need for them, it was better to tough it through without them due to the addiction/crutch issue.
I also never understood why other people used them, except when channeled sources said that it aided in meditation. I side with sadguru's viewpoint, which is that those in control of their own body and chakra systems, can manufacture the bliss and other drug affects, independently.
Or to put it another way, we are already in a blissed out state, and talking to humans is what brings things down to Earth. The mountain/desert ascetics usually had this issue. They could obtain a state of high vibration or joy, but that was only in the retreat or mountain fasthold, not in the regular society.
Astrologically, drug use is connected to Rahu and Ketu placements. Often the 8th house and Ketu's configuration, determines whether someone will be easily addicted or to what extent their spiritual practices affect their lives.
When sadguru says that people like him are "stoned out" 24/7... I can believe it, since it's something I have experienced for more than a year at a time, by fasting and other work. Instead of taking more stuff in, we remove more stuff out. It gets to a point where it was interfering with my work on Earth, so I had to forcibly depress and lower my vibrations, because when reading twitter, I was getting the "perpetual ?" mark I see on other people's foreheads usually when reading my stuff. The arguments, the fears, the emotions, I could intellectually grasp them... but I didn't understand them. It didn't make sense. I realized that I was way off in sub density vibration levels. So I forcibly suppressed my vibration levels and read and participated more on twitter, just to understand what human emotions were like again. Then I understood what Red and Blue tribes were talking about and what motivated them. I was back in the game.
This was a strategic decision, not because I liked it. This placed me at the twilight realm, where I could understand it, and feel some of the emotions, but could not reach the lower human emotions like guilt/shame/fear. That was still better for my work than not understanding what those concepts even meant. It is very difficult to relate to human societies when one has not felt these darker emotions for years upon years, and even the conceptual understanding of these emotions were beginning to fade.
Unlike hidden societies that seclude themselves behind a veil or other glamours, this was during a time when a narcissistic slave farmer was renting a room and living in the same house as me, and I was doing healing work on the outside on various different clients I mostly did not know. Other people's energies are depressed and depolarized from these types of contacts, and I felt that over time as well. It just didn't take me years or decades to figure it out, but 2 months.
I saw first hand the results of drug addiction and slave farming, fear factories, intimidation and fear techniques to control people. I saw a lot of things first hand. It was pretty much a test, even a final exam. I could have chosen to skip it but I actually felt I was ready for it. And I was. This wasn't a pre mortal quest thrown at me out of the blue. I was the one that initiated the request for a "quest". When I got the phone call, I knew that was it, and I accepted it, although I did not have any idea the end result and plot twists would be so insane.
Also, I can detect with my nose when people are using marij, as the smoke/smell is very distinct. Perhaps it is the additives put in, I don't know, but it is definitely affecting the mind via the nasal tissue. I do not detect the same toxicity issue as with commercial cigs, but it is a substance that interferes with my energy frequencies. I get the same thing with medallions made out of that Tesla tech, what was it call, organite. When worn over the heart, I started feeling energy imbalances like nausea even. Other people reported feeling good.
Shadow work, to me, was just cleaning and organizing my hard drive. I would go through my memories and analyze them. I didn't need mind alter substances for that, in fact it was better without them. Perhaps it is the issue of blockage. Like alcohol unblocks social inhibitions or traumas, allowing one to feel grief or certain emotions more.
RE: The Weed Thread - Minyatur - 03-23-2021
(03-23-2021, 10:30 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: I never had a need for them, or rather when I had perhaps a need for them, it was better to tough it through without them due to the addiction/crutch issue.
Not all drugs are addictive though. I think that's one of the big issue with weed, but there are other psychedelics that are nothing addictive and which you are highly unlikely to consume on anything close to a daily basis. Salvia for example is quite literally anti-addictive in what it triggers within the brain, while magic mushrooms are known to help cure addictions to other substances.
RE: The Weed Thread - Ymarsakar - 03-23-2021
"Not all drugs are addictive though."
Addiction would be as I use the term, a way to bypass catalyst and other difficult challenges. So spiritual bypassing is a type of addiction. Netflix, kiddie prnx, crime, stealing money, the stock market, trading, banking, are all types of addictions for many people.
Like alcohol, there are many who can have these addictions and still be "very functional", even high functional, as with marij.
"but there are other psychedelics that are nothing addictive and which you are highly unlikely to consume on anything close to a daily basis."
In astrology, Vedic, all psychedelics are energy wise in the same basket or house. The addiction issue is related to a person's fate, not to the actual substance.
A person can become addicted to pleasure or pain. The Western materialistic concept is that addictions come from a chemical or material substrate or atomic structure. This is a mind body spirit complex issue, and not a chemical materialist issue.
RE: The Weed Thread - Patrick - 03-23-2021
Maybe experiencing is an addiction of the Creator...
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 03-23-2021
(03-23-2021, 10:30 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Also, I can detect with my nose when people are using marij, as the smoke/smell is very distinct. Perhaps it is the additives put in, I don't know, but it is definitely affecting the mind via the nasal tissue. I do not detect the same toxicity issue as with commercial cigs, but it is a substance that interferes with my energy frequencies. I get the same thing with medallions made out of that Tesla tech, what was it call, organite. When worn over the heart, I started feeling energy imbalances like nausea even. Other people reported feeling good.
There are no additives (well not impossible, but there's no reason for it), the distinctness in smell is from the terpene profile of particular flower, and that profile is what gives each strain it's unique properties. It most definitely interacts with ones energy frequencies (that is the point), so interference may be a relative term and may signify some blockages, but it's not for everyone anyways, it's just another tool/tech/medicine. Agua would be the one to inquire about this if interested.
Cigarette smoke (not pure natural tobacco) makes me nauseous from a mile away, I can smell it if someone is smoking in their car on the highway. I used to smoke for 20 years, I can't even believe it.
RE: The Weed Thread - flofrog - 03-23-2021
I do think the portion tobacco used today in cigarette is minimal and the addictive 'spices' now are its main component. I remember my dad smoking cigarettes in the sixties and it had none of the horrid smell it has today. From a mile away Zedro, I agree.
RE: The Weed Thread - Ymarsakar - 03-23-2021
Tobacco is used in cigars, which is why I think some cigars are illegal. This isn't from personal experience, but those that smoke cigars like Benetinho whatever his name is, Massaru, and the Veil of Reality website author, are likely using the pure tobacco, as it serves to help close portals and ward off spirits.
Mrj does the opposite, it opens the portals more, often uncontrollably.
RE: The Weed Thread - sillypumpkins - 03-23-2021
one thing i forgot to mention that i realized recently, is how utterly guilty i feel every time i smoke weed.
so it's helped me reflect that back on to myself, for further exploration
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 03-23-2021
(03-23-2021, 03:03 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Tobacco is used in cigars, which is why I think some cigars are illegal. This isn't from personal experience, but those that smoke cigars like Benetinho whatever his name is, Massaru, and the Veil of Reality website author, are likely using the pure tobacco, as it serves to help close portals and ward off spirits.
Mrj does the opposite, it opens the portals more, often uncontrollably.
The legality of cigars has to do with trade rules/embargo's, that's why Cuban cigars were infamously illegal in the US for the longest time.
Nicotine (the active component in tobacco) is an interesting substance, as it stimulates the nervous system in specific ways, and used to be incorporated therapeutically. It's also used in alot of spiritual rituals (like Native Americans)
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 03-23-2021
(03-23-2021, 03:58 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: one thing i forgot to mention that i realized recently, is how utterly guilty i feel every time i smoke weed.
so it's helped me reflect that back on to myself, for further exploration
Feel guilty about smoking, or in general?
RE: The Weed Thread - sillypumpkins - 03-23-2021
(03-23-2021, 04:14 PM)zedro Wrote:(03-23-2021, 03:58 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: one thing i forgot to mention that i realized recently, is how utterly guilty i feel every time i smoke weed.
so it's helped me reflect that back on to myself, for further exploration
Feel guilty about smoking, or in general?
Both.
RE: The Weed Thread - meadow-foreigner - 03-24-2021
Perchance:
The usage has something to do with a recrudescence or a rollback to earlier stages of psychological development (cross-reference Vygotsky and Jung).
RE: The Weed Thread - Black Dragon - 03-25-2021
(03-24-2021, 09:22 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: Perchance:
The usage has something to do with a recrudescence or a rollback to earlier stages of psychological development (cross-reference Vygotsky and Jung).
Well, yeah. A lot of stuff ties back to early development. Use weed and/or psychedelics a few times efficiently to get a different perspective and learn from it, or to blow open all those doors and stuff one may have suppressed and shut down during childhood(fractal inputs, third eye, template level reality, other s*** that was ridiculed and/or scary, difficult to understand and master), and that's a perfectly legitimate utilization of this particular uh...naturally occurring technology. Make it a habitual and dependent type relationship with the substance and that's when it stops becoming helpful and becomes a drawback/handicap and then negative side effects happen. In other words as I've said before from experience and learning from others: "once you get the message just hang up the damn phone". This process is more/less noticeable in different people but no matter what, I just don't feel it's efficient to be dependent on a substance if one can avoid it in any way and still live.
RE: The Weed Thread - meadow-foreigner - 03-29-2021
(03-25-2021, 12:10 AM)Black Dragon Wrote:(03-24-2021, 09:22 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: Perchance:
The usage has something to do with a recrudescence or a rollback to earlier stages of psychological development (cross-reference Vygotsky and Jung).
Well, yeah. A lot of stuff ties back to early development. Use weed and/or psychedelics a few times efficiently to get a different perspective and learn from it, or to blow open all those doors and stuff one may have suppressed and shut down during childhood(fractal inputs, third eye, template level reality, other s*** that was ridiculed and/or scary, difficult to understand and master), and that's a perfectly legitimate utilization of this particular uh...naturally occurring technology. Make it a habitual and dependent type relationship with the substance and that's when it stops becoming helpful and becomes a drawback/handicap and then negative side effects happen. In other words as I've said before from experience and learning from others: "once you get the message just hang up the damn phone". This process is more/less noticeable in different people but no matter what, I just don't feel it's efficient to be dependent on a substance if one can avoid it in any way and still live.
It depends on the intention.
RE: The Weed Thread - sillypumpkins - 03-30-2021
speaking from personal experience, it can be rather easy for me to abuse weed, however every time i have attempted to "abuse" psychedelics such as mushrooms or lsd, I am swiftly kicked in the teeth.
nowadays, i still take psychedelics simply because... well.... they're a lot of fun. i just enjoy the experience a lot. especially combined with music. something about the way im "wired" just reaaaaallly loves those two things together (and apart, lol)
i like the "when you get the message, hang up the phone" thing. i can see where it's coming from. nowadays when i take psychedelics though, i'm not really trying to "get" anything, it's just a whole boat load of fun, so..... why hang up the phone? hahahaha. again, this is just my personal experience. ive felt some resonance with the "hang up the phone" thing but overall, it doesn't really hold much weight to me when the experience is still just plain fun for me. as long as i'm, yknow, bein responsible (right intention like zedro said), i think it's "all good"!
RE: The Weed Thread - Ymarsakar - 03-30-2021
It is kind of like the difference between acing a test, Sillypumpkins, and getting a C+.
The kick in the teeth sounds like your higher self hitting the "instant karma" button to prevent you from reaching F-.
Getting by with a C+ is ok, it is less effort. But it is not as good as 100 or 99%.
RE: The Weed Thread - sillypumpkins - 03-30-2021
oh ymarsakar..... you speak to a part of my experience that i can relate to in more ways than one.... thanks for the reflectin'
RE: The Weed Thread - Ymarsakar - 03-30-2021
(03-30-2021, 10:20 AM)sillypumpkins Wrote: oh ymarsakar..... you speak to a part of my experience that i can relate to in more ways than one.... thanks for the reflectin'
Guilt/shame are also very low vibration emotions. Even lower than fear at times.
Thus if you decide to smoke for pleasure, do it by fully committing to it. If that is what you choose, then own up to it, and do not allow negative energy states to interfere with your will power.
This is of course not something I would choose to do in any case, but this isn't about personal fates or preferences. The objective energy state of guilt/shame is extremely low, and it is likely magnified in the marj substance.
If you want easier life, combine natural ease/abundance vibration with marj and manifest the more positive.
Of course, internal shadow work and integration of where this guilt/shame comes from, is hard work and painful, not pleasurable.
RE: The Weed Thread - Ymarsakar - 03-30-2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9B5mYfBPlY This video basically explains why humans have... problems in chakra, indirectly.
RE: The Weed Thread - KaliSouth - 04-18-2021
I've only smoked weed a few times. I'm not really that drawn to it. I had a better experience with psilocybin, but also not that interested in it. But both of these pale in comparison to the sensations that blast through me during a meditation.
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 05-22-2022
(05-22-2022, 06:03 PM)Quincunx Wrote: From my understanding, interactions with what I think are positive entities are very mysterious and reserved. I understand that dreams and random thoughts are forms of communication from an unknown source. It is my Free Will to interpret these messages. From what I believe could be negative entity messages seem more direct. I am using my own "inner voice" but the interaction almost sounds insane.
This is my experience as well. The free will masking effect creates alot of paradoxes if you try to analyze the interactions too much, the discernment needs to be intuitive.
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 05-22-2022
(05-22-2022, 09:18 PM)Quincunx Wrote: I use these dream dictionaries 1, 2 and this one when I recognize people in the dream realm. Those who I have interpreted dreams for have been surprised by the accuracy. I do understand that there is still a level of intuition needed. For example, there have been dreams where I didn't see anything but still understood a form of communication was coming through. I have also been able to read paragraphs and see certain symbols but these are harder to retain when transitioning to this reality. At one point in my past I was researching Runes. I gave up trying to remember everything I saw in a meditation. It was like the Rune symbols were creating patterns but I had no idea how to interpret it.
What's interesting is don't think of these books as interpretation manuals, but rather a code book that you and your guides agree to use as a communication medium. It's the same with different card systems, the only thing that matters is agreeing on the premise to use as a communication bridge. So if you have a different interpretation model from someone else using the same material, it doesn't matter, because it's uniquely codified for yourself as you need. So if you decide a book is accurate, it will be used as such from the guides.
Of course the usual problem is the negatives know to use these codified materials as well, and so can create confusion and contradiction with these materials. Hence positive contact being so rarefied and probably unique.
I've found the same issue with random mediums/messengers, the first communication is the purest, but subsequent interactions become more susceptible to negative manipulation, and sometimes the goal is to simply cast doubt on all interactions.
RE: The Weed Thread - LeiwoUnion - 05-23-2022
This notion of purity of the first interaction/interpretation is so true. It is quite impossible to not have at least some fraction of expectation/desire of interaction/outcome after the baseline has been established. This already gives room for further distortions. I think this is one of the reasons why constant and meticulous discernment is so vital for successful workings here. The unfortunate lack of discernment here at all levels could be said to have reached epidemic levels, which could well be purposeful; one cannot fully know. The cycle of initial discovery, awakening and enlightement turning into doubt, recession and oblivion is probably familiar to all. In my view it's just a prominent part of this dense Earth experience. This is my understanding.
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 05-23-2022
In one of the more extreme circumstances (this has happened a few times), the messenger is not even aware they are being used as an instrument, and may also forget after the fact (even more strange when you meet them again and they have no clue who you are). But once they become aware they have been used as a messenger instrument, not only has the contact been corrupted, but I've seen the instrument/medium get corrupted by other entities as they start allowing or seeking more contacts. One medium actually went so far off that they lost their abilities, assuming they got "switched off" for their own good, which they don't seem to understand.
Making contacts isn't inherently dangerous, but it can quickly slide in that direction if unaware of the spiritual battle being waged.
RE: The Weed Thread - Spiritualchaos - 05-23-2022
To begin with, thank you for sharing this very fascinating topic. I believe I agree with everything you mentioned, as I have experienced/felt all these things myself through my own experiences. I feel like I could add a few books worth of information on this topic, as I have been smoking medical marijuana for almost 15 years, and am obsessively studying the effects it has on myself and those around me. I used to have my medical license here in Canada for almost a decade before it was legalized.
I am extremely sensitive as a result of my spiritual origins and empathic gifts so I have struggled with a lot of depression, pain, and anxiety over the years, although the anxiety and depression have been pretty much gone for the last 3 years now. I also have “Fibromyalgia,” even though I feel that is the default diagnosis they give you when something wrong with you can’t be proven with science, and do not resonate with it.
I started smoking weed regularly in 2006, and being in that “altered state” is pretty much my natural functioning state now. Most people can’t even tell I smoke weed, because I feel like it dulls my oversensitivity to the point where I can function more normally, and I am not as overwhelmed by the noises, sounds, smells, and other sensations that are too much without it. As a weird paradox, it also enhances all of the sensations in my body as well, but not in a way that is painful. I can feel my energy body very easily, as being able to pick up on the sensations became easier as the more awaken, I have become. I will break it down in the mind/body/spirit categories to explain what I have experienced with marijuana. I feel over the years, the positive effects experienced from smoking weed have finally caught up to how I feel inside, so the difference between sober me and non-sober me is pretty much the same now.
Physically: After years of smoking marijuana, I have noticed a lot of changes over the years. You lose the “munchies” pretty fast and eventually feel a normal amount of hunger, although when you quit smoking for any reason, you completely lose your appetite for awhile. It helps greatly to relax my body, and does not take away the pain per say, but does help to shift your focus away from it, like it goes more into the background of your mind. I still hurt a lot, even with this pain release, but it’s much easier to tolerate, and isn’t really a focus for me anymore. It is much harder to dream though, and that is the biggest downside for me. I still get very clear dreams, just not as often as when I didn’t smoke. I have to work harder to keep track of those things, but I keep a digital dream journal and make notes of any important things.
Mentally: When I was in my 20s, my thoughts were racing all the time. I was thinking about 800 things at once and was driving myself crazy with anxiety. Weed for me, calmed the storm of those rampant thoughts and helped me change my focus. If anything, it changed the way I perceived my reality. The first time I ever truly felt and experienced music as the timeless essence it is, was while smoking weed. I could feel it transcend time (I also further experienced this on psilocybin) and I made me realize that I was always processing everything with feelings, as I have never relied much on my mental body to begin with. I know that my emotional body is tied far deeper into my subconsciousness and tends to be far more accurate. I use my mental body as a tool to help me now, choosing to turn it on when it’s needed, and off when it is not. It has led to a far more organic existence of living this incarnation, living in one endlessly, forever shifting, moment in space/time.
Spiritually: Now this is where I have noticed the most experiences regarding my marijuana usage. To begin with, I feel like weed does not give you abilities that are not already there. If that is confusing, let me explain. If you are intuitive, it will enhance your intuition. If you are observant, it will make you more observant. If you are already lazy, it will make you lazier, etc. If you aren’t observant, it might make you slightly more observant, just by how it changes your perception, but in my experience with smoking weed with so many different kinds of people over the years, this is usually not the case. I have known a ton of people who very much need to smoke weed, as their mental/emotional/spiritual imbalances are too much for them to handle without it. I feel like I do not need it, but do find the physical pain to be a bit overwhelming without it. And this is all ramping up to explain that I feel I use marijuana to stay spiritually connected now. It is easier to enhance all the sensations and feelings I have while in this state of mind, which in turn helps me make connections that I might not have been able to see with the physical and mental distractions that used to be around every corner. I am very observant; I tend to notice everything. This is not an exaggeration, it’s my gift as my true self, as well as is noticing patterns, being able to empathize, relate to, and help heal anyone in any walk of life. But when I am sober, I am distracted by the amount of stuff I notice, and weed helps me fine-tune my focus on one thing at a time. Instead of being a big open channel to all the craziness around me like in the past, I am able to focus on what resonates with great clarity now. This was something I was always able to do, it’s just the years of smoking weed helped me notice that I was able to do this. Weed helped me process through a lot of shadows, as I have spent endless hours sitting outside, contemplating life, healing pain, offering and asking for forgiveness.
For me, weed has been the greatest gift for my own personal growth. It’s cleared away the mental fog, the spiritual confusion and bodily pain. And with this, has come a great lucidity for the life I have designed for myself. Noticing patterns has helped me link so many seemingly random occurrences that have led to my awakening, and helped me to understand my purpose for being here.
I agree wholeheartedly that energies carry a signature. I was able to recognize my own energy signature more recently, therefore finding others who also carry that energy signature throughout my spiritual evolution, enhanced by my marijuana usage. I found two members of my soul family this way as well as discovered my social memory complex (who my wandering soul family is a part of) through the recognition of this energy signature, as it turns out all those in the same social memory complex have a familiar “feeling” that radiates through the heart chakra. Whenever I feel anything related to these energy signatures, my heart chakra pulses with energy, and I feel home.
Regarding negative entities, I can also recognize them quite quickly. As soon as they appear, I get this weird sensation almost like something is not right, that something feels like the opposite of what home feels like, is in the vicinity. I will get a weird thought pattern that does not feel like my own mind and instantly wish them love and light, and they disappear. Energies carry a signature which translates into feelings for me personally. I think this is how we process more in the higher densities, connecting to that energetic packet of information instead of an emotional body guiding you through feelings and sensations instead.
So for me, marijuana saved my life. I was overwhelmed by all the sensations, feelings, and thoughts I was trying to sort though in my younger years, and was not in a position to process these without the mental release I got from weed. I was able to evolve further on my spiritual journey by finding a way to calm the stormy seas of my mind, so I could use my gifts that were hidden underneath all the chaos.
I have a lot of experience with this, so if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Love & Light to you on your journey forward.
RE: The Weed Thread - IndigoSalvia - 05-24-2022
(05-23-2022, 11:44 AM)Spiritualchaos Wrote: For me, weed has been the greatest gift for my own personal growth.
I have a friend who became severely depressed and anxious during covid. She tried conventional approaches, and yet, marijuana helps her the most. It seems ridiculous that she risks criminal (not legal here) consequences for simply trying to feel better.
I read with interest Ra's statements on marijuana (re Carla).
As with everything, marijuana (any catalyst for that matter) affects each of us differently. I have had very positive experiences with it: alleviation of pain as you describe it -- improving and fading to the background. Most profound, the veil seems to partially dissolve so spirit comes through loud and clear: happiness, understanding, and love.
RE: The Weed Thread - Spiritualchaos - 05-24-2022
(03-23-2021, 12:44 PM)zedro Wrote:(03-23-2021, 10:30 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Also, I can detect with my nose when people are using marij, as the smoke/smell is very distinct. Perhaps it is the additives put in, I don't know, but it is definitely affecting the mind via the nasal tissue. I do not detect the same toxicity issue as with commercial cigs, but it is a substance that interferes with my energy frequencies. I get the same thing with medallions made out of that Tesla tech, what was it call, organite. When worn over the heart, I started feeling energy imbalances like nausea even. Other people reported feeling good.
There are no additives (well not impossible, but there's no reason for it), the distinctness in smell is from the terpene profile of particular flower, and that profile is what gives each strain it's unique properties. It most definitely interacts with ones energy frequencies (that is the point), so interference may be a relative term and may signify some blockages, but it's not for everyone anyways, it's just another tool/tech/medicine. Agua would be the one to inquire about this if interested.
Cigarette smoke (not pure natural tobacco) makes me nauseous from a mile away, I can smell it if someone is smoking in their car on the highway. I used to smoke for 20 years, I can't even believe it.
Thank you for saying something as this is not true in my knowledge on the topic. I agree, most cannabis is grown hydroponically as well, especially in the province I live in. We live in the forest essentially, so stuff grows easily without the need of chemical support.
Cigarette smoke lingers in the air here because of the moisture of being in the mountains and it makes me feel sick to my stomach whenever I smell it, the chemicals in it gives me the exact same feeling I get walking down the cleaning product isle at a store. I smoked after my divorces for a couple of months and quit without craving another cigarette afterwards. I have no idea how I ever did, the smell is too much for me.
RE: The Weed Thread - zedro - 05-24-2022
I feel cigarettes are not just addictive, but are sub conscientiously a form of suicide from big unbalances/distortions/trauma.