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RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Glow - 02-10-2021
I think social platforms should be able to host who and what the want.
At the same time people can vote with their wallets, corporate sponsors can also choose what platforms to support based on any criteria they wish.
So basically I have zero issue with a platform blocking whatever they want, or feel they have to for business reasons. Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from consequences, one of those consequences can be not being hosted by social media.
One can then buy their own domain and spread whatever they wish that way. No one is entitled to a non public entities infrastructure.
One can build ones own infrastructure though.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Louisabell - 02-10-2021
Yes, I am a big proponent of freedom of speech, within reasonable limits of course (no incitement of violence, no defamation and no conspiring to commit crimes).
I am generally against the worst of "cancel culture", where people go after someone's job, harrasing someone's family and friends, sending death threats, all just for ideas they have shared. I find all that stuff abhorrent. No one's life should be ruined over words.
However, I also am a proponent of property rights. These platforms that certain controversial people want "full access" to to exercise their free speech, are not their property. These platforms are the private property of other people, and therefore it is totally moral for these property owners to set guidelines and enforce them on the infrastructure they've built.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - confusedseeker - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 07:44 PM)Glow Wrote: I think social platforms should be able to host who and what the want.
At the same time people can vote with their wallets, corporate sponsors can also choose what platforms to support based on any criteria they wish.
So basically I have zero issue with a platform blocking whatever they want, or feel they have to for business reasons. Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from consequences, one of those consequences can be not being hosted by social media.
One can then buy their own domain and spread whatever they wish that way. No one is entitled to a non public entities infrastructure.
One can build ones own infrastructure though.
So what do you do if you express an opinion that payment processors don't like, and you suddenly can't receive payment anymore and our totally outcast from the economy? Or you made a living off of social media and someone found something you did as a teen and you get cancelled for it? What if something you said 6 years ago on social media is used to threaten your job security? The issue here is YOU HAVE TO ALIGN with big tech, and if you step out of line, you will pay the consequences. I've seen this happen time and time and time again over the last three years, for the dumbest, most innocuous stuff. Orwell and others have written about this, btw.
Did you see what happened to Parler? What an abomination. Luckily, religious folks and independent thinkers now have Gab.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - zedro - 02-10-2021
Yeah I don't understand why people don't understand this, big tech is using their virtual monopolies to control many aspects of people's lives. There's a reason why the phone companies fell under 'common carrier' clauses, because when they were privatised, the risk was they no longer had to respect the 1st amendment and could ban communication (or spy on) for those it wanted to control and silence.
Also the big platforms pretty much own public discourse, the alternatives are almost the equivalent of having your phone 'priveledges' taken away and told you can use CB radio. The platforms also use public infrastructure to operate, and generally have used public funds (or currently have public contracts) to grow and accrue profit. We aren't talking about small niche forums like LL, but large town squares like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, where the alternatives are basically fringe (and usually maligned by those platforms as extremist sites, seeking to make all competition irrelevant). Facism is essentially the corporatization of the public sphere, so people no longer have any democratic power.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - confusedseeker - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:01 PM)zedro Wrote: Yeah I don't understand why people don't understand this, big tech is using their virtual monopolies to control many aspects of people's lives. There's a reason why the phone companies fell under 'common carrier' clauses, because when they were privatised, the risk was they no longer had to respect the 1st amendment and could ban communication (or spy on) for those it wanted to control and silence.
Also the big platforms pretty much own public discourse, the alternatives are almost the equivalent of having your phone 'priveledges' taken away and told you can use CB radio. The platforms also use public infrastructure to operate, and generally have used public funds (or currently have public contracts) to grow and accrue profit. We aren't talking about small niche forums like LL, but large town squares like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, where the alternatives are basically fringe (and usually maligned by those platforms as extremist sites, seeking to make all competition irrelevant). Facism is essentially the corporatization of the public sphere, so people no longer have any democratic power.
I agree with everything you've said, great post. And let's not forget how this ties into the Patriot Act and how the gov't can essentially use big tech to surveil us and go deep into our past data if they need to. One of my favorite journalists in the world is a woman named Whitney Webb - she's amazing - she's had to move to Chile and now can only accept bitcoin as payment. Another example is Glen Greenwald, a journalist who had to quite from his OWN COMPANY because he wasn't "woke" enough. This is all a byproduct of a technocracy; if you express yourself honestly in their environment, you're in trouble...immediately outcast.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - ScottK - 02-14-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:01 PM)zedro Wrote: Yeah I don't understand why people don't understand this, big tech is using their virtual monopolies to control many aspects of people's lives. There's a reason why the phone companies fell under 'common carrier' clauses, because when they were privatised, the risk was they no longer had to respect the 1st amendment and could ban communication (or spy on) for those it wanted to control and silence.
Yes, it is obvious, isn't it? But then, you've chosen which side of the bifurcated system you wish to be on, so you look at things through that prism.
You are on the side of personal liberty and sovereignty.
Those on the other side, are trusting in the "system" to do the right thing, and willfully defer their power to those in charge.
Choices have consequences, and it's very difficult for an individual to change which side they are on right now since the deception is so strong - you either see it and are repelled by it, or can't see it at all.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Patrick - 02-14-2021
What if you see it and believe there is no need to "fight" to make it right?
As in everyone working on their internal selves is what is going to result in great positive changes on this external system.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - MrWho - 02-14-2021
(02-14-2021, 09:51 AM)Patrick Wrote: What if you see it and believe there is no need to "fight" to make it right?
As in everyone working on their internal selves is what is going to result in great positive changes on this external system.
When you look at it this way. It's so simple, it could work!
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - ScottK - 02-14-2021
(02-14-2021, 09:51 AM)Patrick Wrote: What if you see it and believe there is no need to "fight" to make it right?
As in everyone working on their internal selves is what is going to result in great positive changes on this external system.
People have used their free will and chosen. No need to fight about that.
Positive changes at the societal level will come with truth being revealed and accepted, and then follow on "creation" whatever that may mean to you, IMO. The Truth will have an immense impact.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - confusedseeker - 02-14-2021
(02-14-2021, 09:51 AM)Patrick Wrote: What if you see it and believe there is no need to "fight" to make it right?
As in everyone working on their internal selves is what is going to result in great positive changes on this external system.
Government can easily take advantage of that mindset.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Patrick - 02-14-2021
(02-14-2021, 04:33 PM)confusedseeker Wrote:(02-14-2021, 09:51 AM)Patrick Wrote: What if you see it and believe there is no need to "fight" to make it right?
As in everyone working on their internal selves is what is going to result in great positive changes on this external system.
Government can easily take advantage of that mindset.
Well, here is some supporting material on which I am basing that advice/perspective.
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0211.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...In this regard we would suggest that the skillful choice is always to work on the self without regard for working with other entities. Service to others, working upon what you perceive needs to be done in the world, begins and ends within yourself. Until the point at which you are asked specific questions that you may answer in what you hope is a spiritually helpful manner, the work you do on yourself is sufficient and more than adequate in terms of how you may affect the consciousness of planet Earth. Change yourself and you change the world. That is how powerful you really are...
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2001/2001_0204.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...Many times, it seems to each, that there is no way that one person can be of service, that one person’s light can make a difference. However, this instrument is fond of saying that in a dark place the light of one candle can be seen for quite a distance. Metaphysically, this is far more true even than the physical truth of candles and sight. Each of you makes a significant difference to the lightening of the planet as well as to the lightening of your soul. For when each of you does one, each of you is doing the other. To work on the self is to work on the world. Indeed, to work on the self is the most direct and effective way to work on the outer world in a metaphysical sense...
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1980/1980_0518.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...You need only to work upon yourself, so that you are a clear channel, unmoved by the ridiculousness of many situations, and in great humor when others find a situation quite grim. For you see, you dwell in the midst of a great cosmic joke and a great cosmic tragedy. And the ability to see both polarities of this truth equally is a very helpful one in dealing with yourself. And when you have dealt with this polarity within yourself, laughing at your grief and solemn in your joy, you may be of balanced help to others, for you may not then be touched by their difficulties to the point where you will be unable to respond in the way the Creator within you would respond...
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_1124.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...in that same general run of seekers there is often a prejudice against working on the self, for it seems selfish to be absorbed in the processes of the self. It is our opinion that it is in healing yourself that you heal the world. It is in learning to love yourself that you learn to love others. It is in finding compassion at last for yourself that you are finally able to have compassion on others. It is in blessing your own suffering by respecting it, honoring it, and forgiving it in yourself that you become able to behold the suffering of the world in its massive and almost infinite depth...
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - unity100 - 02-14-2021
(02-09-2021, 09:19 PM)Diana Wrote: I'm curious what opinions are regarding censorship of "conspiracy theorists" such as David Icke on the Internet/social media. I'm not asking if you believe anything he says. I'm asking what you think of censoring alternative news/views (mostly cropped up now because of COVID).
I think its obligatory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
This is more deep than just conspiracy theorists, but also applies to them.
Basically you cant let people 'create reality' through lies. The moment you let that, some people will take advantage of it for personal gain and you end up with situations like in US in which people deny actual reality and cripple the society, harming others.
https://twitter.com/futurecanon/status/1250502000640512000
Of course it goes far deeper - if you allow Nazis to organize under freedom of speech and organization to, well, end freedom of speech and organization, you eventually end up with them just doing what they openly declare they would do.
...
Its the same situation with what Ra says about the thought wars in higher densities and how Confederation ends up having to reject what is offered by negative entities because otherwise they couldnt be positive.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - confusedseeker - 02-14-2021
(02-14-2021, 10:24 PM)unity100 Wrote:(02-09-2021, 09:19 PM)Diana Wrote: I'm curious what opinions are regarding censorship of "conspiracy theorists" such as David Icke on the Internet/social media. I'm not asking if you believe anything he says. I'm asking what you think of censoring alternative news/views (mostly cropped up now because of COVID).
I think its obligatory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
This is more deep than just conspiracy theorists, but also applies to them.
Basically you cant let people 'create reality' through lies. The moment you let that, some people will take advantage of it for personal gain and you end up with situations like in US in which people deny actual reality and cripple the society, harming others.
https://twitter.com/futurecanon/status/1250502000640512000
Of course it goes far deeper - if you allow Nazis to organize under freedom of speech and organization to, well, end freedom of speech and organization, you eventually end up with them just doing what they openly declare they would do.
...
Its the same situation with what Ra says about the thought wars in higher densities and how Confederation ends up having to reject what is offered by negative entities because otherwise they couldnt be positive.
Lol, nazis.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - MrWho - 02-15-2021
Transparency is key. Every penny must be accounted for. For all people. I have nothing to hide. Why should we allow money manipulation to rule our lives.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - zedro - 02-15-2021
(02-14-2021, 08:58 AM)ScottK Wrote: Yes, it is obvious, isn't it? But then, you've chosen which side of the bifurcated system you wish to be on, so you look at things through that prism.
You are on the side of personal liberty and sovereignty.
Those on the other side, are trusting in the "system" to do the right thing, and willfully defer their power to those in charge.
Choices have consequences, and it's very difficult for an individual to change which side they are on right now since the deception is so strong - you either see it and are repelled by it, or can't see it at all.
True, I tend to forget that it's not necessarily (or at all) about understanding but rather values (unprocessed as they may be). For some 'slavery' is a choice, and not even regarded/recognized as such. It took me awhile to fully understand the brilliance of Orwell's 1984 seemingly paradoxical slogans, which to my initial instinct felt like obvious dichotomies/falsehoods designed to torture people intellectually, but in reality to others they may actually be simple conceptual truths: (edit following Meadow's reply: to avoid any confusion, the following is to illustrate the thought process of the master/slave dynamic, it is not my belief system)
WAR IS PEACE (without war there is a lack of social cohesion, so war creates unity)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Two people can live in entirely dualistic realities in which these have different meanings, if only at the subconscious level. The tricky part is when actual historical realities diverge to support such conscious states.
(Note it's been ages since I read 1984, that interpretation is just what resonates with me right now)
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - meadow-foreigner - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:(02-14-2021, 08:58 AM)ScottK Wrote: Yes, it is obvious, isn't it? But then, you've chosen which side of the bifurcated system you wish to be on, so you look at things through that prism.
You are on the side of personal liberty and sovereignty.
Those on the other side, are trusting in the "system" to do the right thing, and willfully defer their power to those in charge.
Choices have consequences, and it's very difficult for an individual to change which side they are on right now since the deception is so strong - you either see it and are repelled by it, or can't see it at all.
True, I tend to forget that it's not necessarily (or at all) about understanding but rather values (unprocessed as they may be). For some 'slavery' is a choice, and not even regarded/recognized as such. It took me awhile to fully understand the brilliance of Orwell's 1984 seemingly paradoxical slogans, which to my initial instinct felt like obvious dichotomies/falsehoods designed to torture people intellectually, but in reality to others they may actually be simple conceptual truths:
(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:WAR IS PEACE (without war there is a lack of social cohesion, so war creates unity)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Two people can live in entirely dualistic realities in which these have different meanings, if only at the subconscious level. The tricky part is when actual historical realities diverge to support such conscious states.
(Note it's been ages since I read 1984, that interpretation is just what resonates with me right now)
Great job, zedro. You really pissed me off with your post.
Maybe some ill-willed individuals may benefit from such false dichotomizations and affirming the opposites as means to perpetrate sub-optimal social organization levels, due to incompetence in being able to figure out better possibilities amidst the Infinite that we all live in.
To state that 'life is death and death is life' is a typical half-baked pseudo-spiritual fallacy, coated with some philosophical crap to appeal more to non-thinking individuals.
Even more so detrimental is to state that war is peace. What a load of bisonshit.
Even more so detrimental is to state that war is peace. What a load of bisonshit.
Moronic pseudo-reasoning Wrote:IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Now, you must be joking... right? You can't be serious in this motherfucker. Ignorance is strength? TO WHOM, for God's sake? Your ignorance benefits whom? And how much so, compared to your intelligence?
A nescient modern cattle, willfully and ignorantly accepting the programming perpetrated by the farmers — has it any strength? If so, what kind of strength, and who benefits from it? The farmers, or the nescient cattle?
The way the phrase is put may turn the lukewarm or the undeveloped into deliberate numbskulls destitute of their own volition to choose to approach perfection.
Do you know what this moronic pseudo-reasoning tells you, deep down? Be an idiot and you'll be strong. In other words, have fewer tools to choose (so you may not upset the farmers) and the belief of strength will be provided to you.
What a load of crap. I expected deeper reasoning to come from you, zedro.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - zedro - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 03:59 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:(02-14-2021, 08:58 AM)ScottK Wrote: Yes, it is obvious, isn't it? But then, you've chosen which side of the bifurcated system you wish to be on, so you look at things through that prism.
You are on the side of personal liberty and sovereignty.
Those on the other side, are trusting in the "system" to do the right thing, and willfully defer their power to those in charge.
Choices have consequences, and it's very difficult for an individual to change which side they are on right now since the deception is so strong - you either see it and are repelled by it, or can't see it at all.
True, I tend to forget that it's not necessarily (or at all) about understanding but rather values (unprocessed as they may be). For some 'slavery' is a choice, and not even regarded/recognized as such. It took me awhile to fully understand the brilliance of Orwell's 1984 seemingly paradoxical slogans, which to my initial instinct felt like obvious dichotomies/falsehoods designed to torture people intellectually, but in reality to others they may actually be simple conceptual truths:
(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:WAR IS PEACE (without war there is a lack of social cohesion, so war creates unity)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Two people can live in entirely dualistic realities in which these have different meanings, if only at the subconscious level. The tricky part is when actual historical realities diverge to support such conscious states.
(Note it's been ages since I read 1984, that interpretation is just what resonates with me right now)
Great job, zedro. You really pissed me off with your post.
Maybe some ill-willed individuals may benefit from such false dichotomizations and affirming the opposites as means to perpetrate sub-optimal social organization levels, due to incompetence in being able to figure out better possibilities amidst the Infinite that we all live in.
To state that 'life is death and death is life' is a typical half-baked pseudo-spiritual fallacy, coated with some philosophical crap to appeal more to non-thinking individuals.
Even more so detrimental is to state that war is peace. What a load of bisonshit.
Moronic pseudo-reasoning Wrote:IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Now, you must be joking... right? You can't be serious in this motherfucker. Ignorance is strength? TO WHOM, for God's sake? Your ignorance benefits whom? And how much so, compared to your intelligence?
A nescient modern cattle, willfully and ignorantly accepting the programming perpetrated by the farmers — has it any strength? If so, what kind of strength, and who benefits from it? The farmers, or the nescient cattle?
The way the phrase is put may turn the lukewarm or the undeveloped into deliberate numbskulls destitute of their own volition to choose to approach perfection.
Do you know what this moronic pseudo-reasoning tells you, deep down? Be an idiot and you'll be strong. In other words, have fewer tools to choose (so you may not upset the farmers) and the belief of strength will be provided to you.
What a load of crap. I expected deeper reasoning to come from you, zedro.
Ummm...please re-read my post but with the bias that the Orwell quotes are from my polar opposing point of view. It's exactly the opposite of what I believe....I'm still who you expected me to be (well, except you don't like my narrative style apparently
)
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - confusedseeker - 02-15-2021
I think he was just quoting Orwell and using his ideas to explain a perspective. I thought it was a great post tbh.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - ScottK - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote: (Note it's been ages since I read 1984, that interpretation is just what resonates with me right now)
1984 was a blueprint for how the elite wanted to make the world. The media has really done quite an amazing job in creating the false dichotomies, without actually having those slogans. The Ministry of Truth is the bs "fact checkers" too. This is truly the model of 4d negative playing out in front of us. How about the commercials you've seen for the mirror you do exercises in front of that talks to you? Is that chilling or what?
The difference between now and the fictional account is critical mass. There's simply way too many people that are not with the program, so the whole thing will end up collapsing. They would have to be too totalitarian to make it work. (Those damn pesky hateful nazi/white supremicists/fascist/xenophobe misogynists)
Trump made them rush the process, and now it must fail.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Diana - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:WAR IS PEACE (without war there is a lack of social cohesion, so war creates unity)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Yeah, your recall of 1984 is a little off.
In 1984 the slogans derived from the STS authority which kept everything in check and stable in an STS-type world. So, War Is Peace, was not to create unity, but to create a system of continual lack of resources to keep the masses under control, for example. I have read that book several times, but I only read it when I am in a very stable frame of mind because it is so depressing. I will say however, that Orwell certainly nailed a lot of societal trajectories in a spooky way.In the book, it's quite uncanny the way Orwell reveals at the end what those slogans really mean, and from an STS perspective they make sense. As far as any reference to this existence, I can't see by any stretch that they would apply to an STO perspective beyond intellectual gymnastics. Certainly from an STS perspective, they work to advantage.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - zedro - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 12:58 PM)Diana Wrote:(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:WAR IS PEACE (without war there is a lack of social cohesion, so war creates unity)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)
Yeah, your recall of 1984 is a little off.
Geez guys, I KNOW THAT!!! LOL....that was my point, I was giving a synopsis of how their mottos were used to control....it was in the context of the previous replies. Did anyone read 1984 and interpret it as a good thing? Like ever?
Tower of Babel here lol....I've since added a disclaimer to my original post.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - confusedseeker - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 09:19 AM)ScottK Wrote:(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote: (Note it's been ages since I read 1984, that interpretation is just what resonates with me right now)
1984 was a blueprint for how the elite wanted to make the world. The media has really done quite an amazing job in creating the false dichotomies, without actually having those slogans. The Ministry of Truth is the bs "fact checkers" too. This is truly the model of 4d negative playing out in front of us. How about the commercials you've seen for the mirror you do exercises in front of that talks to you? Is that chilling or what?
The difference between now and the fictional account is critical mass. There's simply way too many people that are not with the program, so the whole thing will end up collapsing. They would have to be too totalitarian to make it work. (Those damn pesky hateful nazi/white supremicists/fascist/xenophobe misogynists)
Trump made them rush the process, and now it must fail.
You're far more optimistic than me. I think they are succeeding greatly. Wait until they take away our guns, they can do whatever they want. I think the country and culture will inevitably split. Trump was all talk, he actually galvanized the big tech, Propaganda machine. The Great Reset is in full swing, us plebs are going to have to take it.
Look at all the power outages going on right, mostly due to "green energy solutions". It's always been a scam. Until they take Nuclear energy seriously, these other solutions are scam.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Diana - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 04:03 PM)zedro Wrote: Geez guys, I KNOW THAT!!! LOL....that was my point, I was giving a synopsis of how their mottos were used to control....it was in the context of the previous replies. Did anyone read 1984 and interpret it as a good thing? Like ever?
Tower of Babel here lol....I've since added a disclaimer to my original post.
Sorry if I misunderstood. I very often am affected by the Babel thing. We need the Babel Fish from Hitchhikers.
No, I don't think anyone thought the dystopian future in 1984 was good, and I didn't think you thought that.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - MrWho - 02-15-2021
https://www.lawofone.info/s/19#17
Quote:Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?
Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.
Conspiracy theories I see as a negative delight.
All is well, no need to fear.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - zedro - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 04:28 PM)MrWho Wrote: https://www.lawofone.info/s/19#17
"Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?
Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure."
Conspiracy theories I see as a negative delight.
All is well, no need to fear.
I think that's a gross misrepresentation of Ra's statement, there is a difference between identifying STS activity, and reveling in it.
I think some people fail to realize that there is a harvest of STS inhabitants also in process, and what the extremes they must demonstrate to be 95% negative exactly are. It's a catastrophic level of control over people (even Hitler failed in his incarnation according to Ra, just because a small part of him believed he was doing the right thing).
So you don't have to believe in anything, or even care to let them distract you, but the insinuation you are making about people who have a deep concern about STS activities and believe to have identified them is extremely judgemental on their chosen path, especially because they are in essence acting in STO by trying to warm people, rightly or wrongly.
Some people don't believe "see no evil hear no evil" is virtuous at all, but it's a choice people are free to live by. We all have different roles of positive service.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - MrWho - 02-15-2021
I made a statement not a judgment. (In truth there is no right or wrong) Negativity exists within 4th density positive planets. Even at the end of their harvest. Ra stated that beings harvesting positive 5th density from 4th approach 98% positivity. The remainder 2% being nothing other than negative.
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RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - zedro - 02-15-2021
(02-15-2021, 05:46 PM)MrWho Wrote: I made a statement not a judgment. (In truth there is no right or wrong) Negativity exists within 4th density positive planets. Even at the end of their harvest. Ra stated that beings harvesting positive 5th density from 4th approach 98% positivity. The remainder 2% being nothing other than negative.
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There is a difference between negative polarity (STS) and just being negative. The Ra quote you used was describing STS polarity, which is the context I held my reply to. Of course an STO entity can exhibit some negative (unbalanced) behavior (in 3d or 4d), but that is not the same thing. I was pointing out how I felt you were misappropriating Ra's statement to those who follow the subject of the thread.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - MrWho - 02-15-2021
That is well enough. I understand and appreciate your opinion.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - LeiwoUnion - 02-15-2021
The term conspiracy theory holds a charged bias and is used as an umbrella term to compartmentalize people into two incompatible and oversimplified positions. Not a single person can be truthfully said to be a conspiracy theorist or an anti-conspiracy theorist in an absolute sense. All have their own truth. There are as many layers and stages of 'believers' and 'non-believers' as there are people, and in truth the gradient is infinite. It is naive and untruthful to say that anything applies to the whole gradient of conspiracy theories. While it can seem to be sometimes useful to attribute certain characteristics to certain people who tend to drift in their thoughts and intentions into either 'believing' or 'non-believing' categories, it should be realized that this form of discussion is unfruitful and can only resort in disharmony; a battle of rhetorics. The skillful action here, in my opinion, would be the focusing of one's attention to the niche where one's own beliefs and truths lie, while ignoring the external.
There is both wisdom and understanding to be found in the so called 'conspiracy theories'. One's own intent and action should again be at the focal point here. In a general sense the content of a distinct conspiracy theory is irrelevant as everything can be said to be true or untrue until proven otherwise which is, of course, impossible. Is your action based in fear or seeking of truth? Is your intent based in acceptance or conflict? Are you infringing the free will of others? The contents of these theories go into the blue ray territory, and much truth and untruth may be uncovered by an intellectual and honest mind. It is a swamp, so to speak, which is one of the reasons why so many people get stuck on the rhetorics around this topic. Focusing on rhetoric can be fun, but it often degrades into idle chatter, or worse, conflict of personal truths, which are quite unskillful actions in buddhist terms. Try not to be lazy; avoid combining any concept with either polarity for the entity itself resides in the choosing, either by action or intent. Jumping into intellect based deeper truth seeking is dangerous and frankly too much for most, which is easy to verify by looking at all the deeply held distortions around these topics. It is what Ra called spiritual bypassing, and it is indeed an extremely slippery slope. The lessons to balance the green-blue center, or heart-mind, do not come along with a parade, nor along with the power of friendship and rainbows; they can be infinitely subtle, yet they can be found everywhere. Still, they are generally far away from the necessary lessons of 3D Earthers.
RE: a question on conspiracy theories and how to deal - Patrick - 02-15-2021
I believe there are conspiracies ongoing. Except that it's much deeper than what is talked about. Surface stuff like pizzagate, QAnon, etc, are definitely just distractions to occupy the mind of those into that stuff. This ensures that they are not putting their energy on the real conspiracies.
We know that Orion is working real hard on this planet. They have 4d astral entities that can influence us and see all. So there is no need for technology to enable any of it. The real conspiracies are ongoing at the spiritual level and those little shadow effect we see in our everyday lives are just that, shadows.
That is why I promote working on the self to "fix" the whole thing. It's a question of working on the root cause.