(10-04-2020, 12:37 AM)dexter101 Wrote: i find it interesting how the opinions here differ and noone took me up on rudolf steiner. doesnt anyone here know the significance of this man? he isnt some new age newbie this guy was born in 1861 and died in 1925.

Q\uo - Special Meditation - March 4, 2005 Wrote:When someone speaks with you in a way that feels angry or hostile or jangling to you, certainly your first impulse is to, as this instrument would say, clean up your act as far as the response is concerned. And may we say that we feel that you do a fairly good job for the most part in your responses. Of course, one could find ways to criticize the self. But 95% of the time, shall we say, your basic work in this area is sound and we congratulate you on the kind of full-body effort that you are making to be a gentle spirit, one who does return love, who does not ask to be loved but rather seeks to love. This is the heart of the polarization for fourth-density graduation.

When someone does express negative emotion to you, however, there is more information there than the simple hostility. There is truth. It is the kind of truth that you see in a hall of mirrors at the midway of a carnival. There are no mirrors that show you a true image in such a hall of mirrors. Every mirror is crazed. Some create a tall and slender S, others create a short and fat S. Some warp you to the right and some warp you to the left. Some make wavy lines throughout your entire image so that your eyes and your nose and your mouth do not match up and your neck is at one side and your torso at another and your leg off on the other side again. How can these images be helpful? That is the question that we ask you. How can the crazed and incorrect images of negative emotion directed towards you be helpful?

It is a brave and a stalwart soul who is willing to look into that question; to look into the nuances and the subtleties of other entities with whom you have crossed paths and whose reaction to you is, in fact, a projection of their own process. And may we say that in every situation, no matter how much distortion that there is in that entity’s reaction to you and in that hostility that is unfair and unjust, nevertheless there lies material to be mined in the quiet of one’s own thoughts all the time. For each and every image of you that appears to you is pregnant with information. Perhaps some of this information drags you where you would rather not go, into the shadow side of self that brings before you material that is painful. The injustice and unfairness of such images of the self that they project, from another whose reactions to you are negative, is seemingly completely incorrect. Yet in that moment of interpenetration of the two energy bodies there is sacredness if you are willing to accept the challenge of sitting in sacred space with such unhappy and unjust colors, shapes and images.

There is an honor to be done to those who are unjust to you, who do not understand you and who cannot see who you really are. To honor and to mine this information that you have been given is often a challenge which you need to meet only through a process of time, revisiting the thoughts that were shared, the feelings that you felt upon receiving these unjustly offered thoughts and so forth. The process is not bound by your awareness of consensus-reality time. You can revisit this moment a year from now and it will still be as fresh and real as it was when it occurred. So if you do not do this immediately, feeling the pain, being unable to go further with this material at the present time, that is perfectly and wholly acceptable. There is no time limit on work in consciousness.

(10-05-2020, 11:10 AM)Diana Wrote: @ Louisabell: Thank you for that Q'uo quote. I usually don't resonate with the Q'uo material much, but that quote was really awesome and insightful and well put. I would have missed it as I don't look through Q'uo channelings for the most part, so I am grateful you posted it.

(10-10-2020, 12:36 AM)dexter101 Wrote: think of it as a battle between 7 billion people in the swamp trying to stay afloat. you can fight to stay afloat and keep yourself relatively clear but dirty or you can fight for the top and get all dirty. of course getting out of the swamp and cleaning onself up would solve all problems but the difficulty lies in getting out of it first without getting all dirty in the first place.

(10-10-2020, 01:17 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-10-2020, 12:36 AM)dexter101 Wrote: think of it as a battle between 7 billion people in the swamp trying to stay afloat. you can fight to stay afloat and keep yourself relatively clear but dirty or you can fight for the top and get all dirty. of course getting out of the swamp and cleaning onself up would solve all problems but the difficulty lies in getting out of it first without getting all dirty in the first place.

Isn't that "The Choice?" 

"Are you not all things?"

One can fight for one's place in the slop or one can choose to vibrate with the love which one is.  Isn't that the choice we all face?  To defend our ego or to surrender to Love, however we apprehend that?
   

(10-11-2020, 12:48 AM)dexter101 Wrote: yes you are correct. when viewed from 4th density the choice is simple. just like it was for jesus. but the problem is that this ends in martyrdom. although this is perfectly correct in the eyes of the creator what is needed is a balance between wisdom and love. only i wish it was easier to find that balance.

when using my analogy, you would simply drown.

(10-04-2020, 12:37 AM)dexter101 Wrote: i find it interesting how the opinions here differ and noone took me up on rudolf steiner. doesnt anyone here know the significance of this man? he isnt some new age newbie this guy was born in 1861 and died in 1925.

dexter101 Wrote:hmmm on the topic of egoic dissolution. i have tried that my whole life and it caused me great harm. the society we live in today places a great deal of value on the ego and without a strong ego at least in my opinion it is not possible to survive or live at all in this society. i am beginning to think that making use of the fact that we only have to be 51% sto can maybe be quite helpful to those who are forced to live in a toxic environment. i mean monks dont live in cities but they are probably very close to being 99% sto. i dont think that would be possible for them if they lived here. some of them do come here but most of them return to their temple. its like if you were dressed in complete white clothing you couldnt roll yourself in the dirt without getting dirty. you have to live in a clean environment in order for the sun to radiate your clothes and in turn you radiating outward. if you live in the dirt and have to roll around it. your ability to channel and radiate that energy is limited by the amount of mud you are covered in.
think of it as a battle between 7 billion people in the swamp trying to stay afloat. you can fight to stay afloat and keep yourself relatively clear but dirty or you can fight for the top and get all dirty. of course getting out of the swamp and cleaning onself up would solve all problems but the difficulty lies in getting out of it first without getting all dirty in the first place.
i hope that analogy makes sense.

dexter101 Wrote:yes you are correct. when viewed from 4th density the choice is simple. just like it was for jesus. but the problem is that this ends in martyrdom. although this is perfectly correct in the eyes of the creator what is needed is a balance between wisdom and love. only i wish it was easier to find that balance.
when using my analogy, you would simply drown.