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RE: turning the other cheek? - flofrog - 06-22-2020 Dexter, your question made me smile because I remember a few times the Dalai Kama expressing how meditation is effectively boring .. I think he was also teasing though.. Diana has I think a very wise insight about meditative states being also attained other ways. May I suggest also that if one day you start meditating with a single thought of gratitude towards what is, to Creator, you may suddenly find some bliss in those moments of meditation, the gratitude state does a lot for us, it seems.. RE: turning the other cheek? - AnthroHeart - 06-22-2020 Exactly Diana, Meditation doesn't give immediate gratification. I did it 15-19 years before I found bliss, and even now because of a Kundalini awakening it's not permanent. It rather sucks right now. Headache, and my body hurts. Still some bliss, but overshadowed by the sucky factor. Also lost my passion totally for anthros. Guess I outgrew them. (06-22-2020, 10:22 AM)Diana Wrote:(06-22-2020, 09:42 AM)dexter101 Wrote: I've been meditating with singular focus and it feels very boring, there are times when I get into a state in which my focus increases and all my other senses dissapear. I am completely focused on it. It feels repetitive and boring and I don't see the benefit in that. RE: turning the other cheek? - flofrog - 06-22-2020 Best wishes Gem RE: turning the other cheek? - Infinite - 06-23-2020 (06-22-2020, 09:42 AM)dexter101 Wrote: Hey you seem to know your way around so I'd like to ask about meditation: Diana has already answered very well. Meditation isn't a means to an end. It's the end. It enables us to clear our aura and increase our perception of daily experiences in order to better deal with them. It also shows us aspects of ourselves that were previously unnoticed. I would say that the rise of kundalini, samadhi (contact with intelligent infinity) and all kinds of results attributed to meditation occur naturally, when the meditator is ready. They are consequences of meditation and in my humble opinion, they must be seen as such. I suggest that you continue on your journey and if possible also practice what you call mindfulness, because this type of practice helps us to consciously and real-time perceive our varied reactions to catalysis. RE: turning the other cheek? - AnthroHeart - 06-23-2020 (06-23-2020, 08:15 AM)Infinite Wrote:(06-22-2020, 09:42 AM)dexter101 Wrote: Hey you seem to know your way around so I'd like to ask about meditation: Depends on your path. For me meditation was a means to an end. The end is becoming one with God. RE: turning the other cheek? - Infinite - 06-23-2020 (06-23-2020, 08:16 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Depends on your path. For me meditation was a means to an end. The end is becoming one with God. Yes. What I'm saying is that if you keep looking for results, it will hinder the process. Enlightenment will happen when it has to happen. RE: turning the other cheek? - Diana - 06-23-2020 (06-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Also lost my passion totally for anthros. Guess I outgrew them. Maybe because you embraced the anthro world, which may have been nudging you, and accepted it, you were able to play it out, so to speak. You acknowledged it, didn't resist it, honored it, and played with it. By playing it out with love, openness, and non-judgment, you may have moved past it. RE: turning the other cheek? - AnthroHeart - 06-23-2020 (06-23-2020, 11:23 AM)Diana Wrote:(06-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Also lost my passion totally for anthros. Guess I outgrew them. That world was a slight STS world, and I get the feeling I gave them some positive confusion, so may have flipped them slightly positive. Well, my vibration keeps going up, so I don't resonate with them anymore and can't connect. I am 60% merged with my higher self. I asked God and he/she told me that when I hit 50% merged I went above the anthro vibration. I may be headed toward angelic, but not sure. RE: turning the other cheek? - TheAmbiguousSod - 07-01-2020 (06-17-2020, 10:51 AM)dexter101 Wrote: i read that it means to simply turn away and avoid a fight but sometimes in life you can't avoid a fight etc..you know how it goes This is wise my friend! 4th density is, in my opinion, learning that STA is more effective than service to others. In serving others we are serving the all. Look at the confederation, it starts in 4th density and exists to serve the entire of the creation. They have dedicated the existence of themselves the better the existence of the whole. The social memory complex exists to make this a possibility. Look at specialisation in 3D, we have too much knowledge available to learn as one soul. This prevents further progress because groups of knowledge cannot collaborate with others. All 4th density does is enable us to be the best creator we can be, it is vital to be a social memory complex to serve the all, and so we must learn the lessons of love before we can attempt to share that with the all. In 4D, every lesson that is learned is available to every other part of the social memory complex, everything is shared, all information is shared and so service to all is inevitably the only possibility. I may be completely wrong so please don’t take what I have to say as gospel. Love/light. RE: turning the other cheek? - TheAmbiguousSod - 07-01-2020 I cannot give you any other advice than what has been given. I like to write my questions to my higher self and the first thoughts that respond to that are the answer. It may help to write something along the lines of, I desire to speak to my higher self, then following with your questions. Some do it like a channeling and attempt to reach them in their mind, the thoughts that appear in the head and spoke allowed and more thoughts will follow. Ask in mediation, before you go to sleep to speak with your higher self in your dreams and to be allowed to carry the memory of that with you in waking hours. You may have to persist but whenever I request a spiritual dream, it affects my catalyst for the next day and I feel it allows my higher self to program catalyst with more ease when I am not resisting. Best wishes and good luck, I’m new to this forum but very pleased to see such questions and seeking, it is an honour to be among you seekers. Love/light. RE: turning the other cheek? - Infinite - 07-01-2020 (06-21-2020, 12:28 PM)Infinite Wrote: I confess that I still find some Ra's descriptions of chakras a little confusing. In most responses the development of the chakras seems sequential, but at times it seems that it is a parallel development of all chakras. Particularly I believe that it is something sequential. I had forgotten that clear answer on the subject: Quote:The indigo center is indeed most important for the work of the adept. However, it cannot, no matter how crystallized, correct to any extent whatsoever imbalances or blockages in other energy centers. They must needs be cleared seriatim from red upwards.(74.6) RE: turning the other cheek? - Black Dragon - 07-02-2020 (07-01-2020, 04:55 PM)Infinite Wrote:That makes sense, though I'd personally say the heart chakra is really the most powerful of all if you'd have to pick one, and can, at least to some to some extent "jumpstart" the lower ones if it has a history of activation in any given individual, and start a reciprocal process of loosening the lowers at least a bit to get more energy going into it. The author Manly P. Hall who wrote the huge volume "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" and died under sketchy circumstances that implicates the masons, stated something to the effect of "the center, not the top or bottom, is closest to God." I agree with that completely.(06-21-2020, 12:28 PM)Infinite Wrote: I confess that I still find some Ra's descriptions of chakras a little confusing. In most responses the development of the chakras seems sequential, but at times it seems that it is a parallel development of all chakras. Particularly I believe that it is something sequential. RE: turning the other cheek? - Infinite - 07-02-2020 (07-02-2020, 01:15 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: That makes sense, though I'd personally say the heart chakra is really the most powerful of all if you'd have to pick one, and can, at least to some to some extent "jumpstart" the lower ones if it has a history of activation in any given individual, and start a reciprocal process of loosening the lowers at least a bit to get more energy going into it. The author Manly P. Hall who wrote the huge volume "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" and died under sketchy circumstances that implicates the masons, stated something to the effect of "the center, not the top or bottom, is closest to God." I agree with that completely. Yes, I agree. Although Ra said that blockages in the 3 lower centers make it difficult to seek for the Law of One and also spoke about the green center being vulnerable to orange and yellow. RE: turning the other cheek? - Asolsutsesvyl - 07-03-2020 (06-18-2020, 12:23 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: I'll have to check out more of this Montalk guy. The name's familiar, I've probably read some of his material before, but that bit about polarity is exactly what I've been trying to explain to some people, and part of my own seeking. I've referred to it as "false STO", which is basically being a martyr/doormat/prey, and makes one an accessory to the STS system of principles(or lack thereof...), which are a zero-sum way of thinking where somebody has to "lose" for somebody else to "win". True STO is more of a zero point way of thinking, a symbiotic "give AND receive" axis rather than "take OR lose". When I replied to your other post about "false STO", Montalk's page actually came to mind, but I didn't think to link to it there (as dexter101 did here). Montalk's name came up in my thread about the Cassiopaeans. He explores spirituality very broadly, and he's an older critic of their group, while he values the old Cassiopaean material and continues the associated in-depth defensive study of how 4D STS works and interacts with humanity. He covers the full spectrum of the positive and negative in his writing, in a way I find admirable. His basic concepts are a mixture of Ra, the Cassiopaeans, and other sources. While he glosses over some detail-oriented problems in comparing different sources, it still works well, because he consults many sources and is good at contemplation. I think it's good to see Montalk referred to, because he's already covered so much basic ground, so it can help people get on the same page if they generally haven't read much about trickier and heavier aspects of our reality. RE: turning the other cheek? - Asolsutsesvyl - 07-03-2020 (06-21-2020, 11:10 AM)Infinite Wrote: Rereading some excerpts from LOO, it seems to me that martyrdom or accepting everything from others is not ideal in Ra's view. Ra elsewhere makes clear that positivity is unlinked to the ultimate effects of the giving. E.g., a purely positive being enslaved and used as a source of energy by the dark side can remain purely positive, even though the energy fuels something negative. Consequence ethics are thus separate from the basic functioning of polarity, which has much more to do with intent. This very simple look at polarity in the abstract is then combined with a more multidimensional analysis in terms of the 7 rays. It becomes very tricky to distinguish between STO and STS in any sure way in a simple formula. But Montalk's point is obviously valid in the simple sense that positivity comes in many forms, and the main, healthy and sustainable forms are not the short-lived paths of martyrdom. At best, martyrdom is like a short-circuit which makes bright sparks fly, but then unfortunately also puts an end to most possibilities for future developments. RE: turning the other cheek? - AnthroHeart - 07-03-2020 (07-03-2020, 06:24 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote:(06-21-2020, 11:10 AM)Infinite Wrote: Rereading some excerpts from LOO, it seems to me that martyrdom or accepting everything from others is not ideal in Ra's view. That's fascinating. I thought Ra said that negativity when pure was a gravity well and it was impossible to maintain any degree of positivity. RE: turning the other cheek? - Asolsutsesvyl - 07-03-2020 (07-03-2020, 06:47 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(07-03-2020, 06:24 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote:(06-21-2020, 11:10 AM)Infinite Wrote: Rereading some excerpts from LOO, it seems to me that martyrdom or accepting everything from others is not ideal in Ra's view. There's many dynamics of polarity which are possible. The extreme of a gravity-well-like spiritual environment is only on one end of a range of possibilities for co-option. Here's the main quote I had in mind... Quote:25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought? |