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RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 03-21-2020
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Black Dragon, do not worry, there's nothing arrogant or mean about peregrine. He is just very serious and dedicated to the ongoing process. Something very pure here and devoid of any mean intent.
I'm seeing it a bit more clearly now. I appear to have been the one who was rude and hasty to judge, and for that I have apologized. One good thing that came out of it is that making these misjudgments has been fruitful in helping me identify some aspects of my shadow self. I'm going to take some time to really reflect properly on what he has said and be open to his methods of helping. Thank you also for your perspective on the matter.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Sacred Fool - 03-21-2020
(03-21-2020, 12:13 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: No, not necessarily. I think is was me who took the wrong approach in evaluating your responses, because I was coming from the wrong perspective. I apologize for misjudging your intent. I will think deeper on the things you have said(and my own reactions to them), and try to come at them from a better angle. You have been most helpful, even in unintentionally triggering such a response in me, well....you are definitely helping me take a look at my shadow in that regard. Thank you. Your help is appreciated and valued.
As I view it, there's a part of you that's innocent and an equally strong part that's arrogant (that which you call "the wrong approach"). My response to your OP was to hammer the arrogant aspect head on. Why? To honor it, in part (in a "left-handed" sort of way). Also to make it more clearly visible. Why? To invite the see-sawing conscious part of you to more deliberately view of the field of your play.
No offense taken in any way whatsoever on my part. You are eminently free to define your own situation: free, I mean, from my preferences or designs. I'm just trying to elbow you into more seriously regarding and embodying your "assignment" here, if you will. And, please believe me, I know very well that this (never mind the work itself) is no easy task.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 03-21-2020
(03-21-2020, 03:17 AM)peregrine Wrote:(03-21-2020, 12:13 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: No, not necessarily. I think is was me who took the wrong approach in evaluating your responses, because I was coming from the wrong perspective. I apologize for misjudging your intent. I will think deeper on the things you have said(and my own reactions to them), and try to come at them from a better angle. You have been most helpful, even in unintentionally triggering such a response in me, well....you are definitely helping me take a look at my shadow in that regard. Thank you. Your help is appreciated and valued.
As I view it, there's a part of you that's innocent and an equally strong part that's arrogant (that which you call "the wrong approach"). My response to your OP was to hammer the arrogant aspect head on. Why? To honor it, in part (in a "left-handed" sort of way). Also to make it more clearly visible. Why? To invite the see-sawing conscious part of you to more deliberately view of the field of your play.
No offense taken in any way whatsoever on my part. You are eminently free to define your own situation: free, I mean, from my preferences or designs. I'm just trying to elbow you into more seriously regarding and embodying your "assignment" here, if you will. And, please believe me, I know very well that this (never mind the work itself) is no easy task.
I understand. My response was impulsive and ignorant, because I didn't take the time to assess the situation properly from the right perspective. I wasn't feeling too good about having made that post after I started considering that you were just trying to get me to see certain things(such as my own arrogance) as you said. I don't enjoy the idea of being unfair to people who are just trying to help me, so I'm glad we cleared the air on that. I no longer have any hard feelings about anything you said or how you said it. I understand and appreciate your approach, and I'm grateful for your help.
One thing I would like to add is that I'm well aware this problem can't be fixed simply or purely "head on". When I mentioned the left and right brain hemispheres and binaural beats, I was and am under no delusion that something like this is all it will take to solve my problems and do shadow integration work. I'm not viewing it as a magic potion that's going to do my work for me. It is one small aspect in a large, comprehensive process. As somebody diagnosed from a medical standpoint with Aspergers/high functioning autism, (whatever that may mean from a spiritual/Law of One perspective besides just being some sort of wanderer, I'm not sure), I can tell you that the my brain hemispheres(not just from my diagnosis but from my own observations) do not always work together smoothly, and this is not something I pulled out of my ass.
Whatever physiological, neural, and mental benefits something like binaural beats can give me, I know this doesn't automatically solve issues of the spirit such as shadow integration type stuff, but a slightly clearer head and some enhanced cooperation between the brain hemispheres can help improve my mood and state, so I can be in a slightly better position to start to do the real work in consciousness. It can also smooth the process along a little bit when I get deeper in. It's a minor part of the bigger picture, but I believe it can help a bit.
I plan on doing some meditation and reflection, and some very honest self-assessment. Once I have something to share I will share my insights.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - sillypumpkins - 03-21-2020
black.... reading the humility and honesty in your replies, leads me to believe you're doing better than you might think... just thought i'd through that out there
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Sacred Fool - 03-21-2020
(03-21-2020, 04:13 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: I plan on doing some meditation and reflection, and some very honest self-assessment. Once I have something to share I will share my insights.
Just one further teensy weensy comment. You can't out-think your head, as you know, any more than you can outpace your own body, and trying to do so can lead to a feeling of entrapment--not unlike is expressed in your OP. So, you may find it useful to develope more subtle, complementary modalities of interaction with self and with the world in order to enrich your perspective. Also, this might help alleviate some of the over-charged pressure in your noggin as well. Observation of how Madame La Frog regards the catalyst of these forums might be instructive, for example. Her approach is not to lead with cognition. She has a complementary reflexive approach, one contrasting with your own reflexively cognitive posture.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - flofrog - 03-21-2020
Madame La Frog, peregrine, really ?
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Sacred Fool - 03-21-2020
(03-21-2020, 04:37 PM)flofrog Wrote: Madame La Frog, peregrine, really ?
Oh, well, perhaps not.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - schubert - 04-01-2020
if youre interested google the ascension papers book 1 by zingdad, it's available as a free pdf you can download or view in browser. on your keyboard hit ctrl+f to search for chapter 10 which is on "what is evil?". it's super illuminating and helped me!
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - rinzler - 04-08-2020
I feel the same way. I'm tired of life and this endless crap. I'm done with this endless crap. I don't know why I chose this life but it was a mistake that's for sure.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Asolsutsesvyl - 04-08-2020
(04-08-2020, 04:57 AM)rinzler Wrote: I feel the same way. I'm tired of life and this endless crap. I'm done with this endless crap. I don't know why I chose this life but it was a mistake that's for sure.
Sometimes I feel the same way. Sometimes very differently. But I also have reached a point where I've experienced that the method is greater than the madness, in what life is about, even though I don't have a really clear picture of what my life is about.
It may help to think of life as a dynamic improvisation. A life plan is more like a sketch, or outline, of the contents than the story of what ultimately happens. How is it all elaborated, and how do options branch out, and how does the big picture finally end up? That can be a very open question beforehand. After greater turning points that may come with years in-between them, the differences compared to the past (for both better and worse), can end up impossible to imagine beforehand.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-08-2020
(04-08-2020, 04:57 AM)rinzler Wrote: I feel the same way. I'm tired of life and this endless crap. I'm done with this endless crap. I don't know why I chose this life but it was a mistake that's for sure.
Things are messed up, and I feel that way too sometimes, but the thing is that giving up on this life or purposely terminating it won't solve any of our problems; the only way through them is...well...through them. I've been getting a better look and honesty with my shadow side lately, but no major breakthroughs or solutions. As much as it blows balls, in a situation like that, one can really only hold out and wait without making any hasty actions until a clear path to a solution is available, otherwise you end up thrashing about and playing to the tune of the O-town fuckbois and friends.
A lot of recent daily quotes have helped me somewhat get a perspective in some ways, specifically the ones over the last three days concerning the crucifixion and resurrection, and Jesus's "descent into hell", but gaining a perspective and applying it against all the inner and outer factors and resistances are two different things. I don't know what to say to you other than this, because if I had all the answers I'd be in a different place myself. I can only offer what little understanding and perspective I had, as well as my compassion.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - sillypumpkins - 04-09-2020
(04-08-2020, 04:57 AM)rinzler Wrote: I feel the same way. I'm tired of life and this endless crap. I'm done with this endless crap. I don't know why I chose this life but it was a mistake that's for sure.
"here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished:
if you're alive, it isn't"
from Illusions: the Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-09-2020
Something really awful happened last night that I though was just more torture from the universe and a falling apart of what little I have in life. I don't want to go into details, but it was a family altercation in which I defended myself(on a physical level) and defended another who tried to intervene to break it up. It escalated to very violent lengths, and at one point I was afraid for my life, and upped my own methods to match, but somehow nobody was seriously hurt or went to jail, although there needed to be some space for the night. When all was said and done last night I cursed the "tyrant misery-sucking creator" many times for giving us a life full of nothing but torment. I was completely falling apart, but the last thing I did before laying down and not sleeping, was pray for all involved that at worst there would be a peaceful going of separate ways, and at best that there would be self-examination, reflection, and change, mostly for the main party involved in starting the altercation, but for all of us.
I was just expecting the whole thing to be f*****, but the aftermath today, of all things, turned out to be that there was self reflection, apology, forgiveness, and willingness to change. This event was a pretty horrific fiasco, and the images and regrets are haunting and disturbing to all of us and will be for a long time, if not for the rest of our lives, but it was a wakening shock that I guess had to happen to inspire a real effort towards changing the dynamic for the better, and this time I think it will stick, because something of this magnitude cannot just be swept under the rug and the same patterns followed. It's as if the temple came crashing down, for a grander one to be built. I'm still shook up and feeling like s***, but not like life is falling apart. For the first time in a long time I feel there might be hope for this particular situation to reach a much more healed, loving, and respectful paradigm for my family. Nothing changes overnight and it will take continuous effort, my own work in regards to healing and my shadow included(still have a ways to go), but it looks like I'm finally starting to see a way forward.
There's so many ways that horrific situation could have been much worse, and ended in total ruin, but somehow it didn't. Life isn't automatically perfect, but there is some hope and clarity on what is really important. Happy Easter season, my friends. May we build grander temples in the dust of our old decrepit ones. May we rise from the ashes as a phoenix(perhaps one that that likes to use a lot of spicy "sentence enhancers"
). May we find the rose in every s*** situation.![[Image: image-450w-709630702.jpg]](https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/image-450w-709630702.jpg)
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Aion - 04-09-2020
It's always tough to go through the fall from the Tower, struck by the lightning strike of circumstance, but from the fall we are able to rise anew. Sorry to hear about the tough times but also glad to see you are finding gold in the deep darkness.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - flofrog - 04-10-2020
families are interesting, black dragon, it's all about them experiencing and in the end they all are doing their best, perhaps suffering more than you do, which is good
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Diana - 04-10-2020
(04-09-2020, 11:41 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: Something really awful happened last night that I though was just more torture from the universe and a falling apart of what little I have in life. I don't want to go into details, but it was a family altercation in which I defended myself(on a physical level) and defended another who tried to intervene to break it up.
...
For the first time in a long time I feel there might be hope for this particular situation to reach a much more healed, loving, and respectful paradigm for my family. Nothing changes overnight and it will take continuous effort, my own work in regards to healing and my shadow included(still have a ways to go), but it looks like I'm finally starting to see a way forward.
Kudos to you for moving forward in conscious evolution.
I understand the situation. I grew up in this sort of familial discord, including violence.
I only want to caution that the others involved in this may not change. So acceptance would be the key in my opinion. Whether or not any more violence occurs, there will be processing for each individual, which is, individual. In my case, some individuals were just too wounded to heal enough for it to show in conscious reality. However, they may have learned what they needed to learn even if they didn't appear to change.
Family stuff is really difficult in 3D, as detachment is that much harder to achieve (not getting caught up in the maelstrom). Many families have generational patterns, and one thing that may help is to imagine you are changing that generational pattern by not succumbing to it—by forging another set of behaviors for yourself, not for anyone else, because they must forge their own paths. Most people think they are different than their families, then decades later find they are doing the same things their parents did.
There is so much seeming existential injustice. All the way up to the idea of taking issue with the Logos regarding the architecture of this existence. But I find this thinking to be nonproductive though natural and at times impossible to quell. The thing I find most useful is to stay focused on my own mission, which includes my own evolution and how I can effectively serve in this reality.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-10-2020
(04-10-2020, 10:59 AM)Diana Wrote:(04-09-2020, 11:41 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: Something really awful happened last night that I though was just more torture from the universe and a falling apart of what little I have in life. I don't want to go into details, but it was a family altercation in which I defended myself(on a physical level) and defended another who tried to intervene to break it up.
...
For the first time in a long time I feel there might be hope for this particular situation to reach a much more healed, loving, and respectful paradigm for my family. Nothing changes overnight and it will take continuous effort, my own work in regards to healing and my shadow included(still have a ways to go), but it looks like I'm finally starting to see a way forward.
Kudos to you for moving forward in conscious evolution.
I understand the situation. I grew up in this sort of familial discord, including violence.
I only want to caution that the others involved in this may not change. So acceptance would be the key in my opinion. Whether or not any more violence occurs, there will be processing for each individual, which is, individual. In my case, some individuals were just too wounded to heal enough for it to show in conscious reality. However, they may have learned what they needed to learn even if they didn't appear to change.
Family stuff is really difficult in 3D, as detachment is that much harder to achieve (not getting caught up in the maelstrom). Many families have generational patterns, and one thing that may help is to imagine you are changing that generational pattern by not succumbing to it—by forging another set of behaviors for yourself, not for anyone else, because they must forge their own paths. Most people think they are different than their families, then decades later find they are doing the same things their parents did.
There is so much seeming existential injustice. All the way up to the idea of taking issue with the Logos regarding the architecture of this existence. But I find this thinking to be nonproductive though natural and at times impossible to quell. The thing I find most useful is to stay focused on my own mission, which includes my own evolution and how I can effectively serve in this reality.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I understand your words of caution and know nothing is automatically perfect. What makes me believe there will be some change is that though my family has a history of discord, yelling, and emotional strife, this was the first ever time it came to physical violence. It is not part of the normal patterns of distortion in my family. This was a Jekyll and Hyde type Situation that involved intoxication and repressed stress and emotions. I've been willing to look into the mirror at that shadow side of myself lately, but this person hasn't made such an effort consciously, and seeing this side of themselves honestly shocked and scared them. As for the other part, your right, focusing on my mission. I'm coming to understand it's pretty multifaceted. The current architecture is in the process of shifting. I think the Logos is beginning to understand that such an arbitrary excess of misery is counter productive in that creates inefficiently small harvests not much better than pre-veiling conditions.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Diana - 04-11-2020
(04-10-2020, 01:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I'm coming to understand it's pretty multifaceted.
Yeah, I get that.
(04-10-2020, 01:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: The current architecture is in the process of shifting. I think the Logos is beginning to understand that such an arbitrary excess of misery is counter productive in that creates inefficiently small harvests not much better than pre-veiling conditions.
That is a nice thought. I'd like to think this reality is evolving toward less misery and suffering.
The whole mechanism of harvest, and placing the veil in order for learning (polarizing) to occur "more efficiently" doesn't really square (in my mind) with free will and being outside the construct of linear time. I'm not sure why evolution of consciousness needs "pushing" in this way. Maybe it has something to do with stasis or inertia, and a system that doesn't evolve (quickly enough) becomes toxic.
Any thoughts?
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - AnthroHeart - 04-11-2020
Everyone here has great advice.
I do see that you're learning to accept things, even if a little at a time.
I'm learning about boundaries now.
Not that we should build a wall around us,
but realize that they are us.
I'm not as phased from my mother as I used to be.
She can get angry, and it doesn't cause a reaction in me as much as before.
I can see she's getting better too. She's not as angry as she used to be,
at least outwardly.
By healing ourselves, those around us heal too.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - flofrog - 04-11-2020
(04-11-2020, 11:28 AM)Diana Wrote:(04-10-2020, 01:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I'm coming to understand it's pretty multifaceted.
Yeah, I get that.
(04-10-2020, 01:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: The current architecture is in the process of shifting. I think the Logos is beginning to understand that such an arbitrary excess of misery is counter productive in that creates inefficiently small harvests not much better than pre-veiling conditions.
That is a nice thought. I'd like to think this reality is evolving toward less misery and suffering.
The whole mechanism of harvest, and placing the veil in order for learning (polarizing) to occur "more efficiently" doesn't really square (in my mind) with free will and being outside the construct of linear time. I'm not sure why evolution of consciousness needs "pushing" in this way. Maybe it has something to do with stasis or inertia, and a system that doesn't evolve (quickly enough) becomes toxic.
Any thoughts?
I see how it is difficult squaring veil with free will and 'pushing' evolution this way, but true also we have only one perspective of this as of this one incarnation present now, right ? So we feel, I could really evolve all right in more peaceful environment. just because right now we feel it's so brutal right ? But if we accept that, between incarnations it is blissful, it is where in fact our real home is, then, planning new incarnation with difficulty does seem appealing like,... lets go climb that cliff it's dangerous but I want to try this, and it is temporary anyway, and I can perhaps help another climber along the way or he will help me.
Thoughts ?
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-11-2020
(04-11-2020, 11:28 AM)Diana Wrote:(04-10-2020, 01:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I'm coming to understand it's pretty multifaceted.
Yeah, I get that.
(04-10-2020, 01:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: The current architecture is in the process of shifting. I think the Logos is beginning to understand that such an arbitrary excess of misery is counter productive in that creates inefficiently small harvests not much better than pre-veiling conditions.
That is a nice thought. I'd like to think this reality is evolving toward less misery and suffering.
The whole mechanism of harvest, and placing the veil in order for learning (polarizing) to occur "more efficiently" doesn't really square (in my mind) with free will and being outside the construct of linear time. I'm not sure why evolution of consciousness needs "pushing" in this way. Maybe it has something to do with stasis or inertia, and a system that doesn't evolve (quickly enough) becomes toxic.
Any thoughts?
It's about balance. Pre-veiling conditions were unfruitful because to some extent, adversity is necessary to grow and learn. I'm not advocating that 3d should be completely free of adversity of all kinds. An over-correction was made, and now we have a system with so much arbitrary and excess adversity that it has become toxic and stagnant in its own way. I do also believe there are certain negative beings that sit for quite a while at mid 6d without wanting to repolarize by exploiting this supply of excess misery, or as some has called it, "loosh".
On the other hand, Bashar has said you can't move to a next step until you accept where things are at and see the value that it had to be this way, at least for a while. This flip-flop to the opposite extreme was part of a process and served a purpose, but now its time for something better.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Diana - 04-12-2020
(04-11-2020, 12:45 PM)flofrog Wrote: I see how it is difficult squaring veil with free will and 'pushing' evolution this way, but true also we have only one perspective of this as of this one incarnation present now, right ? So we feel, I could really evolve all right in more peaceful environment. just because right now we feel it's so brutal right ? But if we accept that, between incarnations it is blissful, it is where in fact our real home is, then, planning new incarnation with difficulty does seem appealing like,... lets go climb that cliff it's dangerous but I want to try this, and it is temporary anyway, and I can perhaps help another climber along the way or he will help me.
I understand. That works for me if I'm only talking about people. But there is so much more in this reality than just people. It seems like a bad plan to combine free will + the veil, almost dichotomous, and the results are that much more life suffers than just humans.
(04-11-2020, 02:28 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: It's about balance. Pre-veiling conditions were unfruitful because to some extent, adversity is necessary to grow and learn. I'm not advocating that 3d should be completely free of adversity of all kinds. An over-correction was made, and now we have a system with so much arbitrary and excess adversity that it has become toxic and stagnant in its own way. I do also believe there are certain negative beings that sit for quite a while at mid 6d without wanting to repolarize by exploiting this supply of excess misery, or as some has called it, "loosh".
An over-correction is a possibility, not a fact. And I agree that I am not talking about a black-and-white situation, but I do think it's BS that human free will gets to plunder, abuse, use, and torture other life-forms, including the planet that makes life possible for them.
(04-11-2020, 02:28 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: On the other hand, Bashar has said you can't move to a next step until you accept where things are at and see the value that it had to be this way, at least for a while.
Well, I don't accept any authority but my own. I will say that it is what it is here, and I DO accept that as far as it goes. But does that mean I can't question anything? Just because there is an entity, the Logos, that created this architecture, does not mean I am subservient to it. I will work within the structure of the environment I'm in. But my mind is going to stay free to question and imagine.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - AnthroHeart - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 11:00 AM)Diana Wrote: An over-correction is a possibility, not a fact. And I agree that I am not talking about a black-and-white situation, but I do think it's BS that human free will gets to plunder, abuse, use, and torture other life-forms, including the planet that makes life possible for them.
Though the Creator blinks neither at the Light or the Dark.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Diana - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 11:03 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(04-12-2020, 11:00 AM)Diana Wrote: An over-correction is a possibility, not a fact. And I agree that I am not talking about a black-and-white situation, but I do think it's BS that human free will gets to plunder, abuse, use, and torture other life-forms, including the planet that makes life possible for them.
Though the Creator blinks neither at the Light or the Dark.
I am not subservient to the Creator either. The Creator may the source, or milieu from which this existence has arisen, but why do I have to agree with it? You can accept something without agreeing with it, and in either case—acceptance or questioning—I do not align with stasis, I prefer open-mindedness. And frankly, I find the idea of "serving the Creator" akin to idolatry, like Christians who blindly follow a system they don't question.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 11:16 AM)Diana Wrote:(04-12-2020, 11:03 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(04-12-2020, 11:00 AM)Diana Wrote: An over-correction is a possibility, not a fact. And I agree that I am not talking about a black-and-white situation, but I do think it's BS that human free will gets to plunder, abuse, use, and torture other life-forms, including the planet that makes life possible for them.
Though the Creator blinks neither at the Light or the Dark.
I am not subservient to the Creator either. The Creator may the source, or milieu from which this existence has arisen, but why do I have to agree with it? You can accept something without agreeing with it, and in either case—acceptance or questioning—I do not align with stasis, I prefer open-mindedness. And frankly, I find the idea of "serving the Creator" akin to idolatry, like Christians who blindly follow a system they don't question.
That just about mirrors my own perspective. The creator is not something separate from/outside of myself. If I live from my own heart and stand for my own principles, what other service could there be? All else is serving some authority, or as you said, idol.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-12-2020
(04-12-2020, 11:00 AM)Diana Wrote:(04-11-2020, 12:45 PM)flofrog Wrote: I see how it is difficult squaring veil with free will and 'pushing' evolution this way, but true also we have only one perspective of this as of this one incarnation present now, right ? So we feel, I could really evolve all right in more peaceful environment. just because right now we feel it's so brutal right ? But if we accept that, between incarnations it is blissful, it is where in fact our real home is, then, planning new incarnation with difficulty does seem appealing like,... lets go climb that cliff it's dangerous but I want to try this, and it is temporary anyway, and I can perhaps help another climber along the way or he will help me.
I understand. That works for me if I'm only talking about people. But there is so much more in this reality than just people. It seems like a bad plan to combine free will + the veil, almost dichotomous, and the results are that much more life suffers than just humans.
(04-11-2020, 02:28 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: It's about balance. Pre-veiling conditions were unfruitful because to some extent, adversity is necessary to grow and learn. I'm not advocating that 3d should be completely free of adversity of all kinds. An over-correction was made, and now we have a system with so much arbitrary and excess adversity that it has become toxic and stagnant in its own way. I do also believe there are certain negative beings that sit for quite a while at mid 6d without wanting to repolarize by exploiting this supply of excess misery, or as some has called it, "loosh".
An over-correction is a possibility, not a fact. And I agree that I am not talking about a black-and-white situation, but I do think it's BS that human free will gets to plunder, abuse, use, and torture other life-forms, including the planet that makes life possible for them.
(04-11-2020, 02:28 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: On the other hand, Bashar has said you can't move to a next step until you accept where things are at and see the value that it had to be this way, at least for a while.
Well, I don't accept any authority but my own. I will say that it is what it is here, and I DO accept that as far as it goes. But does that mean I can't question anything? Just because there is an entity, the Logos, that created this architecture, does not mean I am subservient to it. I will work within the structure of the environment I'm in. But my mind is going to stay free to question and imagine.
Agree 100% on the accepting, but still questioning.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-24-2020
Thanks to everyone who's posted here and given advice and/or support in any way. Things are going slow and tough, but that's the nature of work in consciousness. A couple of my distortions are starting to give a bit, but more are coming out of the woodwork and revealing themselves. At least I'm seeing them and getting a better grasp on understanding them. I'm generally sticking to addressing catalyst as it arises, and not overcomplicating things-working with what I know isn't working first and foremost. That said, I am also looking at things from the bases of the energy centers, starting with the lower three before I even really sit down to consider the heart and higher chakras.
My red ray is very underactive and has a few very substantial, but mostly straight-forward blockages. The yellow ray is also somewhat underactive, and has a few pretty straight-forward blockages, relating mostly to self-discipline and my relationship to human society. My orange ray is quite a mess; it's inherently very strong and has a lot of potential, but it is overactive and sort of a convoluted and tangled mess of blockages, many of which aren't super straight-forward. A lot of it is things relating to my relationship with myself, and a lot of baggage related to interpersonal relationships, many of which are in the past, but there is still unresolved regrets about things said and done, by myself and by others. There's a whole lot pertaining to desires, judgments, guilt, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's hard to pull to mind at the moment. Most of the shadow resides in this area. This one's gonna take some real work.
I'm not sure if I'll continue using this thread for my healing process, as I think it's mostly served it's purpose, and I may make a new one sooner or later. There is one more thing I'd like to comment on. It's been some weeks, but early on when I made this thread, I had a very strange experience with a brand new member who sent me a PM and then never returned. I really didn't know how to respond to it properly at first, and was rather taken aback, and said as much in my first response.
This person stated they were interested in a reply and conversing with me, and after the first reply and days going by, I was able to sit down and really formulate a well-though-out response. Nothing. I still have yet to hear back. The thing that was so strange was how much this person seemed to know me on a deep, archetypal level, and to see into really deep themes and concepts about my life so knowingly. This goes beyond anything I've shared here and any reply I've ever received from any member here. This and other things lead me to believe that this person is some sort of...I guess you would say adept. Not the average person that comes to a site like this for their spiritual pursuits. I'd even hazard to say that this person might be a member of some sort of society such as the "White Magical Priesthood" or whatever you want to call it.
This person went on about how much they would love a reply and to converse and that they were awaiting my response, then nothing.I don't know if they were expecting me to respond in some certain way and I didn't deliver, if they are waiting for what they feel is a better opportunity after I've made some progress, for me to respond in a certain manner, or if they were reprimanded for reaching out to someone outside of their order, who would probably be considered too distorted or unworthy in some way.
That would make sense, because based on my observations and studies, these types seem very fickle with their sense of humanitarianism. Those who don't meet the perfectionistic/lack of distortion criteria to be part of their little clubs are generally seen as unworthy of any help, support, or protection, and thrown to the wolves, so to speak, as if we, by our imperfect/distorted nature, deserve any oppression, hardship, and meddling of dark forces that comes our way. I am very grateful for this person's deep and insightful message and reaching out to me in the first place, but I definitely don't agree with this fickle, elitist, unhumanitarian attitude. Maybe not all of them are like that, but I have yet to be proven wrong, and the lack of response from this person only reinforces my beliefs by example.
Anyone ever had a similar experience, or an experience where these people were actually helpful? And if you are lurking here or watching me, you know who you are. I invite you to converse with me, as you originally said you intended to do, and prove me wrong.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - sillypumpkins - 04-24-2020
That's interesting dragon. I'm curious to know what the message was..... perhaps his/her intention was to get you thinking in some way? You mentioned that you typed out a well-formulated response... was that "therapeutic"? Formulating that response? Was the original message helpful at all?
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that his lack of response is based on elitism, or anything like that. Maybe it was, however I feel as though sometimes the best thing one can do for another, is get them started with thinking/processing these things (asking them a question for example), and then leaving that person to it, so they can do their own learning. Perhaps him responding to your message would've been less-than-helpful in their view.
I guess I'll restate my initial question: was the original message helpful in any way? If it was... well....
Of course I don't know the person, the message, their intentions. Just trying to provide another perspective on what could perhaps be the case...
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - Black Dragon - 04-24-2020
(04-24-2020, 02:06 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: That's interesting dragon. I'm curious to know what the message was..... perhaps his/her intention was to get you thinking in some way? You mentioned that you typed out a well-formulated response... was that "therapeutic"? Formulating that response? Was the original message helpful at all?
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that his lack of response is based on elitism, or anything like that. Maybe it was, however I feel as though sometimes the best thing one can do for another, is get them started with thinking/processing these things (asking them a question for example), and then leaving that person to it, so they can do their own learning. Perhaps him responding to your message would've been less-than-helpful in their view.
I guess I'll restate my initial question: was the original message helpful in any way? If it was... well....
Of course I don't know the person, the message, their intentions. Just trying to provide another perspective on what could perhaps be the case...
It got me hella thinking. Like I said, I couldn't even process it all the first like five times I read it. I'm still going back and looking at it every now and then. The original message was helpful, and it did contain love and encouragement as well as deep insight into my life and purpose here. I think sometimes I get depressed and feel like nobody's got my back, and I would have liked to converse with them further as they said they intended to do. Maybe its not the right time, or maybe, like you said, letting me sit with that first big doozie of a message and process it for a good while will be better for me in the long run. I sometimes just get salty and react and from certain assumptions based on my own biases and insecurities(just human nature that needs working on). As the message was of such an insightful and personal nature, I don't want necessarily want to put everything on blast right here in the middle of a public thread, at least not until I've fully processed it and given them some more time to respond to me on a personal basis. I will post a snippet or two here, and if you are super interested, I could copy it and send it to you in a PM.
"you are branded a beacon for the lost, and your heart is needed now more than ever." *WHAM* that one hit like a ton of bricks.
RE: Dark Night, Hatred, Shadow Work, and Acceptance(Please Pray for Me). - sillypumpkins - 04-24-2020
I don't think you need to send it to me, it sounds like it was written for you and you only
also, btw, you frequently impress me with your observations of your own conditions..... I think it's really cool how you can look at your behaviors and perceptions from such a neutral perspective... just sayin