(01-07-2020, 10:08 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: It feels like we are assuming a whole lot here.

How do STO beings meditate? Can anyone truly answer this is anyway other than their personal experience?  I'm going to bet I don't meditate the same as other Wanderers, other humans. I am me and I bloom differently from all others, so do "they".

The veil is so thin now that everyone is receiving messages, all the time, and thoughtforms come from both higher density STO and STS, my job is is to quit labeling, judging, worrying about others and the ills of the planet, and fine-tune my own heart and my own path without falling captive to thinking there is a right, wrong, dark, light way to do it.

Our need to simplify and categorize everything has made our psyches extraordinarily chaotic.

I'm not either or, I bam both.
Lucky for me Ra said I only have to tip that scale to a tiny bit more loving, than afraid.

Everyday I get a little closer by letting go of worrying about others and what they are doing.

Quote:The veil is so thin now

Quote:I'm not either or, I bam both.

(01-07-2020, 11:06 PM)Alexis Wrote: [quote pid='271406' dateline='1578405306']
Curiosity here, how do you know what path another self is truly on? And if really an STS entity, wouldn't they lie to manipulate your light?

And by judging another that we cannot possibly fully understand, aren't we tipping our own balance to STS?

Quote:Are you concerned about the entities that I interacted with? I actually asked the one I mostly connect with, what it gained from our interactions.  Their response was they have a desire to understand empathy and emotions, as from their stand point, those things are consider weak and undesirable traits to the STS but have become a more common occurrence within themselves.

I'm choosing to explore this and as far as it being some sort of manipulation, all interactions regardless of the other's polarity is an exchange of energy.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1986/1986_0525.aspx Wrote:Carla: I’ll go ahead and ask the other question that L asked. She wanted to know how the service-to-self path can use the light, and what role this path plays in the drama of creation. That’s not word-for-word, but I did read the question, so it’s in the instrument’s mind more specifically.

I am Q’uo, and we feel that we have a grasp of this query and shall begin. The path of service to self is one which intensifies the illusion of separation which is inherent in all of creation, for when the one Creator divided Itself in order that It might further know Itself, the division which took place became likened unto an illusion, for the result was the creation and is moment by moment the creation as you know it and far beyond what you know.

As the Creator, which is simplicity itself, became that which seemed complex, the possibility of two means of traveling through the creation or each portion of the creation became apparent. That which moved in resonance with unity became that which you know as the service-to-others path, that which is radiant and expresses the light of the one Creator to all about it, for all is seen the same as self, that is, the one Creator.

The service-to-self path became possible when the first division in third-density consciousness occurred due to the placement of what you have called the veil of forgetting between the conscious and the unconscious minds. This intensification of the illusion of separation provided to the Creator a more intense and purified means for that portion of Itself which may be seen as magnetic to function. Thus, the service-to-self path is one which draws unto itself the light of the Creator in all portions of the creation about the entity which has chosen this means of knowing itself and of evolving towards the same Creator.

Thus, it is the same light which powers both paths in opposite fashion, or so it would seem within the saga of polarity, for as those of the service-to-others path give forth the light to all about them, it would seem that this action is in opposition to the service-to-self path which absorbs the light and uses it for its own purposes. Yet, in truth, it is the Creator which provides the light for both paths, and the same Creator which receives the light as a result of the action that is potentiating upon each path.

May we answer in further detail, my sister?

Carla: I’m sure that L will let us know if she wishes further answer. Thank you very much.

I am Q’uo and we are filled with gratitude at the opportunity to speak in response to this query. May we attempt another query?

Carla: I was wondering, what is the purpose of incarnating as a man and as a woman repeatedly? Is it necessary to know both male and female energies or to become balanced between those energies?

I am Q’uo, and we find that in essence you have begun to answer your own query. This is the nature of learning in general. The excellent query will draw forth from the questioner that which is sought, for indeed all entities are that unity which contains all things.

The incarnational patterns of experience within the third, the fourth, the fifth, and the sixth-density illusions offer an entity the opportunity of experiencing the dual nature of the one Creator which is found in all creation, that nature of which we have just spoken in the query preceding this one. The male and female principles of radiance and magnetism, of light and dark, of wisdom and of love, are those qualities which in dynamic tension provide all catalyst for experience to each seeker of truth, as you would call it. Thus, the giving and the receiving are means by which the Creator, shall we say, dances with Itself. Each seeker, then, reproduces this movement, and when done in an intelligent fashion this movement becomes an evolutionary journey which continues to gather together portions of the one Creator in accelerating frequencies for each seeker to glean those parts for which it has need in its own pattern of growth. Thus, within …

(Side one of tape ends.)

(Jim channeling)

I am Q’uo, and we shall continue with our response.

Within each evolutionary journey, within each density of illusion, within each incarnational pattern, each moment and each thought, there is the interaction and interplay of the positive and the negative polarity that is the fabric of all creation. Thus does each seeker recapitulate the essence of the one Creator, and when accomplished in a directed fashion, this process presents to each seeker the ever-expanding opportunity to grasp more and more of its nature as the one Creator.

(01-10-2020, 02:13 AM)peregrine Wrote:

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1986/1986_0525.aspx Wrote:Carla: I’ll go ahead and ask the other question that L asked. She wanted to know how the service-to-self path can use the light, and what role this path plays in the drama of creation. That’s not word-for-word, but I did read the question, so it’s in the instrument’s mind more specifically.

I am Q’uo, and we feel that we have a grasp of this query and shall begin. The path of service to self is one which intensifies the illusion of separation which is inherent in all of creation, for when the one Creator divided Itself in order that It might further know Itself, the division which took place became likened unto an illusion, for the result was the creation and is moment by moment the creation as you know it and far beyond what you know.

As the Creator, which is simplicity itself, became that which seemed complex, the possibility of two means of traveling through the creation or each portion of the creation became apparent. That which moved in resonance with unity became that which you know as the service-to-others path, that which is radiant and expresses the light of the one Creator to all about it, for all is seen the same as self, that is, the one Creator.

The service-to-self path became possible when the first division in third-density consciousness occurred due to the placement of what you have called the veil of forgetting between the conscious and the unconscious minds. This intensification of the illusion of separation provided to the Creator a more intense and purified means for that portion of Itself which may be seen as magnetic to function. Thus, the service-to-self path is one which draws unto itself the light of the Creator in all portions of the creation about the entity which has chosen this means of knowing itself and of evolving towards the same Creator.

Thus, it is the same light which powers both paths in opposite fashion, or so it would seem within the saga of polarity, for as those of the service-to-others path give forth the light to all about them, it would seem that this action is in opposition to the service-to-self path which absorbs the light and uses it for its own purposes. Yet, in truth, it is the Creator which provides the light for both paths, and the same Creator which receives the light as a result of the action that is potentiating upon each path.

May we answer in further detail, my sister?

Carla: I’m sure that L will let us know if she wishes further answer. Thank you very much.

I am Q’uo and we are filled with gratitude at the opportunity to speak in response to this query. May we attempt another query?

Carla: I was wondering, what is the purpose of incarnating as a man and as a woman repeatedly? Is it necessary to know both male and female energies or to become balanced between those energies?

I am Q’uo, and we find that in essence you have begun to answer your own query. This is the nature of learning in general. The excellent query will draw forth from the questioner that which is sought, for indeed all entities are that unity which contains all things.

The incarnational patterns of experience within the third, the fourth, the fifth, and the sixth-density illusions offer an entity the opportunity of experiencing the dual nature of the one Creator which is found in all creation, that nature of which we have just spoken in the query preceding this one. The male and female principles of radiance and magnetism, of light and dark, of wisdom and of love, are those qualities which in dynamic tension provide all catalyst for experience to each seeker of truth, as you would call it. Thus, the giving and the receiving are means by which the Creator, shall we say, dances with Itself. Each seeker, then, reproduces this movement, and when done in an intelligent fashion this movement becomes an evolutionary journey which continues to gather together portions of the one Creator in accelerating frequencies for each seeker to glean those parts for which it has need in its own pattern of growth. Thus, within …

(Side one of tape ends.)

(Jim channeling)

I am Q’uo, and we shall continue with our response.

Within each evolutionary journey, within each density of illusion, within each incarnational pattern, each moment and each thought, there is the interaction and interplay of the positive and the negative polarity that is the fabric of all creation. Thus does each seeker recapitulate the essence of the one Creator, and when accomplished in a directed fashion, this process presents to each seeker the ever-expanding opportunity to grasp more and more of its nature as the one Creator.

The overarching view seems to be that (a) separation is a necessary component for Creation to exist in multiplicity.  (b) STS practitioners magnify this and thereby express this component in a more pure form and © this further refines the texture of the entire mosaic of the Creator's self-knowledge.

So, how would an STS dude meditate?  Just as an STO-type might seek to refine its capacity to radiate light, the STS other-self would find means to focus its will and purify its capacity to absorb light in order to more deeply know and experience self.
  
  

(02-06-2020, 02:26 PM)rinzler Wrote: I think I finally figured it out guys.
Ra said that that acceptance is the way of the positve and control that of the negative polarity.
I've been having a lot of trouble meditating and today I tried to just accept my thoughts and feelings. It worked and for a couple of hours I felt a bit better.
I've found out that controlling my thoughts is exponentially harder than accepting them in fact I tend to get tired quickly in meditation because of that. I also lose myself in a downward spirale, thoughts tend to get worse and I lose all control. It also shows you that too much meditation can be harmful because the rate of change is too quick.
I think this is the main difference in meditation for beings in different polarities. That speaks volumes about how hard it actually is for beings to go down the negative path. I can only recommend trying it out at least once. It really shows you how much 95% really is. Impressive for sure but also sad that people go that way despite all the resistance.
The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness.

(02-26-2020, 11:27 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

Quote:They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.

(02-27-2020, 03:22 AM)Reaper Wrote:

(02-26-2020, 11:27 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.


There is also the thought that the positive path is spawned our of sheer weakness and an incapacity to cultivate discipline and accept challenge. The negative path does not tolerate excuses, and it despises those who coddle the incapable. They believe that New Age thought stems out of a desire to dissociate, project and live out a fantasy reality instead of taking personal responsibility and dealing with the harsh truths of life. 

Positive groups tend to be a little less creative and just go with the "black magic is the devil" sort of mentality, which I think is born out out of the fact that the negative mentality is somewhat alien in regards to conventional modern thought. Unless you've really studied their philosophy it's just hard to understand why anyone would do those things, yet it's very easy to project your own ideas onto a shadowy scapegoat. Usually those ideas crest at, "Because they're stupid/confused/evil." In actuality both sides do this equally to some extent, in which every unpleasant thing is unceremoniously swept over to the other side in a way that the individual doesn't have to question themselves. 

In any grouping there is always the danger of the herd mentality, with the desire for stability and security raising unconscious blinders. Suggesting similarities between oppositely polarized groups can wreak havoc within that comfortable infrastructure, whose inhabitants would much rather believe that everything they despise lies with the other instead of in the mirror.

(02-27-2020, 10:22 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(02-27-2020, 03:22 AM)Reaper Wrote:

(02-26-2020, 11:27 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.


There is also the thought that the positive path is spawned our of sheer weakness and an incapacity to cultivate discipline and accept challenge. The negative path does not tolerate excuses, and it despises those who coddle the incapable. They believe that New Age thought stems out of a desire to dissociate, project and live out a fantasy reality instead of taking personal responsibility and dealing with the harsh truths of life. 

Positive groups tend to be a little less creative and just go with the "black magic is the devil" sort of mentality, which I think is born out out of the fact that the negative mentality is somewhat alien in regards to conventional modern thought. Unless you've really studied their philosophy it's just hard to understand why anyone would do those things, yet it's very easy to project your own ideas onto a shadowy scapegoat. Usually those ideas crest at, "Because they're stupid/confused/evil." In actuality both sides do this equally to some extent, in which every unpleasant thing is unceremoniously swept over to the other side in a way that the individual doesn't have to question themselves. 

In any grouping there is always the danger of the herd mentality, with the desire for stability and security raising unconscious blinders. Suggesting similarities between oppositely polarized groups can wreak havoc within that comfortable infrastructure, whose inhabitants would much rather believe that everything they despise lies with the other instead of in the mirror.

I LOVE what you just said there, Reaper! Yes! To sufficiently love oneself is to sufficiently love the self one sees in another!

And another thing I have learned recently that I think the negatives don't always perceive and neither do the positives: Show me where you have judgement and/or condemnation for another-self and I will know where you are weak. I of course have weaknesses, but I at least am willing to face them, although it's not fun. But I choose to be positive because honestly, they're right: it IS self serving!What's wrong with that? Oh no! I'm having my cake and eating it too! With all this gay ass joyousness and love that's worthless because it's unconditional! LAME! Why have your cake and eat it too when you can shank a guy for shitting in your cake because he didn't want you to enjoy it? Joy is for pussies!

LOL

Okay I'm obviously just goofing, I can seriously get where they're coming from like that though.

Here's my reason for STO: STO path finds meaning in being satisfied, STS finds it's meaning in being dissatisfied. I would rather be satisfied. I know it's simple, but I feel it's enough.

And the truth is, any individual who wants to be TRULY sTO must ALSO take responsibility.

So in the case of this criticism, it is probably more self projection.

Like I said, what you judge and/or condemn another for shows your own weaknesses.

Thank you for your insight. I honestly believe sharing this philosophy without evangalizing it is of positive service to us all, because it helps us look into the mirror and take in the other-self. So thank you.

(02-27-2020, 04:55 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Hey Reaper, I have another question about the STS types:

What do they think about the fact that all 6th density negatives have so far abandoned the negative polarity and opened their hearts in this octave?

Do they believe this is what awaits at the end of the road for them? Or do they believe they alone will be the first to successfully graduate 7D negative?

Or do they have a different outlook? Just curious.

(12-12-2019, 10:54 AM)rinzler Wrote: Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

(03-04-2020, 11:16 AM)Moonfox Wrote:

(12-12-2019, 10:54 AM)rinzler Wrote: Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there are here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

(03-04-2020, 11:16 AM)Moonfox Wrote:

(12-12-2019, 10:54 AM)rinzler Wrote: Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

(03-04-2020, 03:49 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(03-04-2020, 11:16 AM)Moonfox Wrote:

(12-12-2019, 10:54 AM)rinzler Wrote: Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

You meditate on logic? I don't get it. Isn't that just THINKING?

(03-04-2020, 04:01 PM)Black Dragon Wrote:

(03-04-2020, 03:49 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(03-04-2020, 11:16 AM)Moonfox Wrote:

(12-12-2019, 10:54 AM)rinzler Wrote: Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

You meditate on logic? I don't get it. Isn't that just THINKING?

This. The intellect by itself is a rather blunt and lacking tool, as much as it can seem so important and powerful. As somebody that's extremely intellectually oriented, I can say that the mind will be a drawback if you let it dominate you. The mind will run into some walls it just can't penetrate and then make you obsess over finding the answers. I've been down so many rabbit holes that it all starts to lose meaning and I realized I just want to be happy and be myself.

(02-27-2020, 04:55 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Hey Reaper, I have another question about the STS types:

What do they think about the fact that all 6th density negatives have so far abandoned the negative polarity and opened their hearts in this octave?

Do they believe this is what awaits at the end of the road for them? Or do they believe they alone will be the first to successfully graduate 7D negative?

Or do they have a different outlook? Just curious.