(11-29-2018, 12:07 PM)DungBeetle Wrote: Looks interesting. I will give it a go. But im confused as to once a day. Lesson 2 I might not be able to do because I wont remember everything I saw in whichever room I was in from lesson 1 unless I do both the same day lol. But I also do not want to get ahead of myself.

ETA: I don't know... The writer talks about illusion, etc, yet still clings to the Jesus and God tale. To me, one of  the very first steps in awakening is realizing the story of Jesus is the story of the Sun and it's trek through the Heavens. If this person cannot see this, then it makes me skeptical on the rest of the info, even though it may very well be true. Obviously it is the message that is most important so I will keep looking at it.

"The "evil" past has nothing to
do with God. He did not create it and He does not maintain it. God does not
believe in retribution. His Mind does not create that way. He does not hold
your "evil" deeds against you."

This implies do whatever the hell you want.

Now in the next paragraph:

"Sacrifice is a notion totally unknown to God. It arises solely from fear, and
frightened people can be vicious. Sacrificing in any way is a violation of my
injunction that you should be merciful even as your Father in Heaven is
merciful."

A violation of what? How can you violate something that has no consequence? This implies that indeed you cannot do whatever you want, or your in "violation"


I am just trying to understand.

(11-29-2018, 01:52 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Yeah, I never was interested in ACIM because it's too long, and it's too religious.
You shouldn't have to study for years to find your place.

(11-29-2018, 02:42 PM)RitaJC Wrote:

(11-29-2018, 12:07 PM)DungBeetle Wrote: Looks interesting. I will give it a go. But im confused as to once a day. Lesson 2 I might not be able to do because I wont remember everything I saw in whichever room I was in from lesson 1 unless I do both the same day lol. But I also do not want to get ahead of myself.

ETA: I don't know... The writer talks about illusion, etc, yet still clings to the Jesus and God tale. To me, one of  the very first steps in awakening is realizing the story of Jesus is the story of the Sun and it's trek through the Heavens. If this person cannot see this, then it makes me skeptical on the rest of the info, even though it may very well be true. Obviously it is the message that is most important so I will keep looking at it.

"The "evil" past has nothing to
do with God. He did not create it and He does not maintain it. God does not
believe in retribution. His Mind does not create that way. He does not hold
your "evil" deeds against you."

This implies do whatever the hell you want.

Now in the next paragraph:

"Sacrifice is a notion totally unknown to God. It arises solely from fear, and
frightened people can be vicious. Sacrificing in any way is a violation of my
injunction that you should be merciful even as your Father in Heaven is
merciful."

A violation of what? How can you violate something that has no consequence? This implies that indeed you cannot do whatever you want, or your in "violation"


I am just trying to understand.

1. It doesn't need to be the same on day 1 and 2, just what you see at that moment.

2. I am at Lesson 30 of the Workbook now and haven't seen Jesus mentioned once. Saw God mentioned only a couple of times so far.

3. Are you talking about ACIM or the Workbook?

4. In general, I believe there is no need to start a discussion. Could you just accept and use what resonates with your inner knowing with appreciations and let the rest be as not for you (not now or ever)?

Love

Quote:"Everybody can take it or leave it, if it doesn't seem working for them. No need to start a discussion."

Quote:4. In general, I believe there is no need to start a discussion. Could you just accept and use what resonates with your inner knowing with appreciations and let the rest be as not for you (not now or ever)?

Quote:Dr. Helen Schucman, a non-observant, extremely agnostic Jew intermittently involved in Catholic devotion who late in life cursed the ACIM as the worst thing that ever happened to her.

Quote:ACIM as a thought-system can be categorized alongside the teachings of the "New Thought" cluster of quasi-Christian church groups founded in the late 19th century descending down to today (including Unity School of Christianity, Church of Religious Science, Church of Divine Science, et al.). ACIM itself is not organized centrally into a religion or a church but functions more like a movement. Like these older church groups, ACIM has surely helped countless thousands of people come into greater peace, love and happiness, though it is also the case that many persons, especially of the more "extreme adherent" "true believer" temperament, evidently have not been well-served by ACIM material, for reasons that will become clear in this essay.

Quote:It is worth hearing the views of the Franciscan Catholic priest Benedict Groeschel, CFR, steeped in studies of the paranormal, and a former student of Schucman at Columbia University (20 years her junior) and subsequently a close friend of Schucman in her last dozen years of life (he introduced her to Ken Wapnick and gave a eulogy at her funeral). Groeschel heard Helen tell him many times, "I hate that damn book," meaning the ACIM, and she repeatedly disavowed its teachings and the cult that formed around it. He finally surmised that ACIM might have been sourced in a diabolical entity, for, as he wrote, "This woman who had written so eloquently [in ACIM] that suffering really did not exist, spent the last two years of her life in the blackest psychotic depression I have ever witnessed," full of rage (See Groeschel, A Still, Small Voice: A Practical Guide on Reported Revelations, Ignatius Press, 1993, p. 79.)

Quote:Somewhere in here more needs to be said about William Thetford, Schucman's department head and close colleague, and the one who so eagerly encouraged her to keep scribing "the Voice" in the earliest days. According to his vita (as some have sleuthed it and posted to an earlier version of the Wikipedia page on Thetford), "from 1951 to 1953 Thetford worked on Project BLUEBIRD, an early CIA mind control program that led to [the infamous] Project MKULTRA. ... From 1955 to 1957 he was an assistant professor of psychology at Cornell University's CIA-funded Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology. ... From 1971 to 1978 Thetford, along with David Saunders, headed the CIA mind control Project MKULTRA Subproject 130: Personality Theory." Given the ACIM's overt aim, especially in the Workbook, to have its students "unlearn" everything they think they know and be subject to the ACIM's "re-education," Thetford's major role in the editing of ACIM and his prior and later involvement with CIA mind-control work is NOT reassuring.

ACIM pretentiously views itself as the "Third Book" of the Bible, after the Hebrew Bible and the Christian New Testament. This grandiose view of itself and its authoritarian "closed thought system" easily lures many vulnerable persons to read it and adhere to it and be brainwashed by it, persons who are attracted to external sources of authority that tell you what to believe and what rules to follow. One reader, posting at the Rick Ross anti-cult forum, tells of his own experience wading into the ACIM text: "In some ways, it offers very nice and flowery verses ... on spiritual upliftment.... But then things get dark. One moment, the reader is treated as a 'child of God,' for whom it is an honor for the author to serve with love and gentle guidance. In the next moment, the reader is berated as the cause of all the suffering of the world because of 'bad thoughts.' And so it goes back and forth like this, like you're being subjected to 'good cop, bad cop.' I started feeling disoriented, confused, and eagerly awaiting each new page in a feeling of dependence. I had to exercise a little personal control in discontinuing my reading. To ease my agitated mind, I did some simple 'watching the breath' Zen-style breathing meditation. And that helped stabilize my mental state." This reader went on to note the involvement of Thetford (and perhaps Schucman?) with the CIA MK-ULTRA mind-control program and he wonders, like others have aired on the internet, whether there might not have been an interest by the CIA in experimenting with the fostering of mass religious movements and ACIM might perhaps have been one of these "tests."

Continuing in our criticism, there's a noxious exclusivist stance the ACIM "Voice" takes in saying that students of the ACIM should really not be studying other paths but only ACIM. That’s hubris and narrow-mindedness. To its credit, at the end of the Workbook, it is stated: "This Course is a beginning, not an end...No more specific lessons are assigned, for there is no more need of them. Henceforth, hear but the Voice for God...He will direct your efforts, telling you exactly what to do, how to direct your mind, and when to come to Him in silence, asking for His sure direction and His certain Word." But persons deeply involved in the ACIM might spend several years or, as has often happened, two or three decades of their life exclusively tied to the ACIM and closed off to more mature, balanced and truly wise spiritual teachings.

(12-03-2018, 04:35 AM)RitaJC Wrote: Lesson 34 is up



It is from your peace of mind that a peaceful perception of the world arises.

(12-05-2018, 06:47 AM)blossom Wrote:

(12-03-2018, 04:35 AM)RitaJC Wrote: Lesson 34 is up



It is from your peace of mind that a peaceful perception of the world arises.

Thank you Rita, I think what you are doing is wonderful!