(12-23-2017, 03:12 PM)xise Wrote: I actually meant to specifically put in the OP that I was interested in how the Law of Responsibility interacts or is present with the Ra-tarot archetypes, but forgot to after all the cutting and pasting. Thank you Jade.

Quote:99.8 Questioner: Thank you. Card Number Six I see as the Transformation of the Mind, the male’s crossed arms representing transformation, transformation being possible either toward the left- or the right-hand path, the right-hand path being beckoned or led by the female, the Potentiator. The one on the right having the serpent of wisdom at the brow and being fully clothed, the one on the left having less clothing and indicating that the Matrix or Potentiator would be more concerned and attracted to the physical illusion as the left-hand path is chosen and more concerned and attracted to the mental as the right-hand path is chosen.

The creature above points an arrow at the left-hand path indicating that if this path is chosen the chips, shall we say, will fall where they may, the path being unprotected as far as the random activity of catalyst. And the intellectual abilities of the chooser of that path would be the main guardian rather than a designed or built-in protection by the Logos for the right-hand path. The entity firing the arrow being what seems to be a second density entity would indicate that this catalyst could be produced by a lesser-evolved source, you might say. Would Ra comment on these observations of Card Six, the Transformation of the Mind?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall speak upon several aspects seriatim. Firstly, let us examine the crossed arms of the male who is to be transformed. What, O student, do you make of the crossing? What see you in this tangle? There is a creative point to be found in this element which was not discussed overmuch by the questioner.

Let us now observe the evaluation of the two females. The observation that to the left-hand path moves the roughly physical and to the right-hand path the mental has a shallow correctness. There are deeper observations to be made concerning the relationship of the great sea of the unconscious mind to the conscious mind which may fruitfully be pursued. Remember, O student, that these images are not literal. They haunt rather than explicate.

Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

We now speak of that genie, or elemental, or mythic figure, culturally determined, which sends the arrow to the left-hand transformation. This arrow is not the arrow which kills but rather that which, in its own way, protects. Those who choose separation, that being the quality most indicative of the left-hand path, are protected from other-selves by a strength and sharpness equivalent to the degree of transformation which the mind has experienced in the negative sense. Those upon the right-hand path have no such protection against other-selves for upon that path the doughty seeker shall find many mirrors for reflection in each other-self it encounters

Quote:[100.6]In this image of Transformation of Mind, then, each of the females points the way it would go, but is not able to move, nor are the two female entities striving to do so. They are at rest. The conscious entity holds both and will turn itself one way or the other or, potentially, backwards and forwards, rocking first one way then the other and not achieving the transformation. In order for the Transformation of Mind to occur, one principle governing the use of the deep mind must be abandoned.

Quote:22.6 Questioner: Would this shortened life span help the entity in any way in that he would have more at times in between incarnations to review his mistakes, or would this shortened life span hinder him?

Ra: I am Ra. Both are correct. The shortening of the life span is a distortion of the Law of One which suggests that an entity not receive more experience in more intensity than it may bear. This is only in effect upon an individual level and does not hold sway over planetary or social complexes.

Thus the shortened life span is due to the necessity for removing an entity from the intensity of experience which ensues when wisdom and love are, having been rejected, reflected back into the consciousness of the Creator without being accepted as part of the self, this then causing the entity to have the need for healing and for much evaluation of the incarnation.

The incorrectness lies in the truth that, given appropriate circumstances, a much longer incarnation in your space/time continuum is very helpful for continuing this intensive work until conclusions have been reached through the catalytic process.

(12-24-2017, 10:47 PM)Parsons Wrote: Edit: I think the other layer of this is not so much in the physical doing in reality, but the proper mental processing when the doing is not possible or not appropriate, which I also think is not happening for those suffering from the Law of Responsibility, since we all seem to be vastly overstimulated with catalyst.

(12-24-2017, 11:53 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I think I should be free to study the Law of One as I will.  I'm sorry you believe I should endanger myself, as I feel I would be, by partaking further in very powerful catalyst that arise from such intensive areas of advanced study.

As I said, here to learn Love and Unity.  Not archetypes which I held no resonance with to begin with.

Quote:[60.16]At this space/time we may best serve you, we believe, by stating that the pyramid for meditation along with other rounded and arched or pointed circular shapes is of help to you. However, it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

Quote:92.31 Questioner: Were the grapes depicted upon the cloth covering the shoulder of the Priestess of Ra’s communication?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

92.32 Questioner: We have taken those as indicating the fertility of the subconscious mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct, O student, but note ye the function of the mantle. There is great protection given by the very character of potentiation. To bear fruit is a protected activity.

92.33 Questioner: The protection here seems to be depicted as being on the right-hand side but not the left. Would this indicate greater protection for the positive path than the negative?

Ra: I am Ra. You perceive correctly an inborn bias offering to the seeing eye and listing ear information concerning the choice of the more efficient polarity. We would at this time, as you may call it, suggest one more full query.

Quote:95.24 Questioner: From that statement I interpret the following meaning: That if the Experience of the Mind has sufficiently chosen the right-hand path, as total purity is approached in choosing of the right-hand path, then total imperviousness from the effect of the left-hand catalyst is also approached. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is exquisitely perceptive. The seeker which has purely chosen the service-to-others path shall certainly not have a variant apparent incarnational experience. There is no outward shelter in your illusion from the gusts, flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.

However, to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance of challenges offered and opportunities to come. Thusly, the great pitch of light is held high above such an one so that all interpretation may be seen to be protected by light.

peregrine Wrote:Hi, Jade.

Reading your thoughts, as it were, brings to mind Ra's comment on Martin Luther King, saying, as I recall, that he was more focused on third ray, not fourth ray issues: that is, on social responsibility, not spiritual responsibility.  Granted that these two can be inter-twined, I'm wondering how you view the emphasis of your (and Leo's) commitments.  Do you view them as working more on a social or on a spiritual level?  Do they appear more yellow or more green, so to speak?

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:I'm not surprised you are reminded of MLK, as he was very heavily influenced by Tolstoy! But, I don't see what you are referring to as far as what you seem to remember. This is the only quote about MLK that I know of that Ra made:

Quote:34.9 Questioner: Thank you. Would you give me the same type of information about the self in relation to the societal self?

Ra: I am Ra. The unmanifested self may find its lessons those which develop any of the energy influx centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. The societal and self interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers. Thus those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. This may be seen to be of a full travel from negative to positive in orientation. Either will activate these energy ray centers.

There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green-ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

34.10 Questioner: If an entity were to be strongly biased toward positive societal effects, what would this do to his yellow ray in the aura as opposed to an entity who wanted to create an empire of society and govern it with an iron fist? What would be the difference in the yellow-ray activity of these two entities?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us take two such positively oriented active souls no longer in your physical time/space. The one known as Albert, who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ. This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant nature as well. The higher levels, as you may call them, being activated, the lower, as you may call them, energy points remain, in a balanced being, quite, quite bright.

The other example is the entity, Martin. This entity dealt in a great degree with rather negative orange-ray and yellow-ray vibratory patterns. However, this entity was able to keep open the green-ray energy and due to the severity of its testing, if anything, this entity may be seen to have polarized more towards the positive due to its fidelity to service to others in the face of great catalyst.

(I added the previous quote for context in the discussion as well)

Being that Tolstoy was an anarchist, I don't think he believed that rearranging social structures was the answer to our problems, quite the contrary. He believed that each individual person taking responsibility for nonviolence and total selflessness towards others (turn the other cheek) was what would transform society.

I think we incarnated to work with the yellow-ray sphere, directly, hence this is part of our honor/responsibility, since the yellow ray sphere of this planet is severely distorted. I do not see the yellow ray as less spiritual. The yellow ray must be functioning properly for the green ray to be activated, work that still is in progress on this planet.

I'm happy to further elaborate if this doesn't clarify your question!

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:My understanding of the Law of Responsibility is that when we know better, we should do better.


As far as Greta, Ra uses some weird wording, but basically what they are saying is that the closer that one gets the purity, the more care they have to take with being pure. If you stand close to the light, and then get lazy about it, your Higher self will give you catalyst/lessons/"workings" (which seems to refer to a negative greeting) that give you the catalyst to either return to a higher form of loving nature, or continue basically to be mean to others/the self. Ra goes on to say that this is the value of others who reflect negative internal states: So that we can see ourselves in our negativity, and adjust/correct. Otherwise, if you start to slip too much to "the dark side", you will surround yourself with sycophants who never challenge you, and avoid those who do, and then you lose that ability to check yourself.

Quote:The patterns of activation of an entity of high seniority will undoubtedly move with some rapidity to the green-ray level which is the springboard to primary blue. There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with other-self. Having accepted that an harvestable or nearly harvestable entity will be working from this green-ray springboard one may then posit that the experiences in the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue ray of freely given communication, of indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of violet-ray intelligent infinity. This may be seen to be manifested by a sense of the consecrate or hallowed nature of everyday creations and activities.

(12-26-2017, 12:14 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

So, I feel that at this time, with so much advertisement and fake news and brainwashing and all of the constant attempts to mislead people, that to attempt to speak through all the falsities is a necessary service.

(12-26-2017, 12:18 PM)Elros Wrote: On the other end, a focus upon being focuses upon the inner balance which allows an healthier relationship with both the self and the world, then radiance comes naturally without needing to be necessarily sought and with a greater purity when it comes naturally. e.g. Music made by people who do what they do because music is their passion and drive to manifest, will be better than music made by people whose focus is merely to provide something to many people and picked music to achieve that. 

(12-26-2017, 02:17 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-26-2017, 12:14 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

So, I feel that at this time, with so much advertisement and fake news and brainwashing and all of the constant attempts to mislead people, that to attempt to speak through all the falsities is a necessary service.

When it comes to free expression to self and others, Jade, I think you're doing quite well.  <smiling emoji-thingy>

I don't take issue with any of your stated points, and yet....something feels displaced, not quite on center....if you don't mind my saying so.  (Maybe I should give you a tarot reading to help elucidate this, eh?  JUST KIDDING!  That's not my style.)

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark, if that's okay.  I feel that the subject of your rant--stroking, not strangling the beast--comes from your heart, but that the delivery of the message has a rather strong grip, so to speak.  Put another way, your passion seems derivative of your own sense of your being's response to planetary peril, but your delivery doesn't feel like it's riding on that same inner stream of love.  It seems to have elements of self-protection in it which are most likely unintended.  Just to give an example, when CA objected to your bringing the archetypes into this discussion (a curious objection), your reply felt to me self-defensive rather than open-hearted in such a way as to acknowledge his concern while encompassing that within a larger frame of thought.  I wouldn't say your hand was on his throat, but I doubt he received much warmth from that incident in the over all interaction.

I'm not trying to over-scrutinize your behavior, but I want to compare that to the examples of King and Schweitzer.  I fully expect that King lived in a much more trying social milieu and, consequently, probably had many more unconscious leanings towards self-protection.  And it may well have been this reflexive self-protection which contributed to his having polarized much less positively than he would have liked in a positive manner. 

I can say that is the case for me right now.  It happens frequently that I look at myself not approaching a person or a situation with an open heart and I quickly see that I am trying to protect myself from.....  Well, that's where it gets interesting...and time consuming!  But I just want to be clear that I'm trying to wheedle a thin shaft of light down into this dark space to possibly benefit us both.  Letting go of a sense of safety seems fundamentally foolish on the gut level and so it is a very sensitive thing to speak to.  I hope I wasn't too strong-handed with you in this missive.

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I have had some pretty terrible things said to me in passing on these forum throughout the years, I'd say more than the average poster or moderator even. Someday, I hope to be so foolish as to not have these walls, but I have never claimed to be anywhere near the end of my journey, just at some point along the path. As you mentioned, it takes a lot of time! What I do know is that I have spent a lot of this thing called time contemplating the archetypes, and meditating upon them, because it was my understanding that it was the most difficult to understand piece of the Ra material, so I wanted to learn so that I could teach. I guess it is a little hard to hear that my efforts are not welcome here, and I took that probably a bit more personally and harshly than I should have, which likely closed my heart chakra a bit. I fully admit that. So, what other personal failings do I have to admit before we can get on with the conversation at hand?

(12-28-2017, 12:45 PM)Diana Wrote:

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I have had some pretty terrible things said to me in passing on these forum throughout the years, I'd say more than the average poster or moderator even. Someday, I hope to be so foolish as to not have these walls, but I have never claimed to be anywhere near the end of my journey, just at some point along the path. As you mentioned, it takes a lot of time! What I do know is that I have spent a lot of this thing called time contemplating the archetypes, and meditating upon them, because it was my understanding that it was the most difficult to understand piece of the Ra material, so I wanted to learn so that I could teach. I guess it is a little hard to hear that my efforts are not welcome here, and I took that probably a bit more personally and harshly than I should have, which likely closed my heart chakra a bit. I fully admit that. So, what other personal failings do I have to admit before we can get on with the conversation at hand?

Your efforts certainly ARE welcome here (though I know your statement was in response to a particular instance).

We are not responsible for the reactions of others. Your kindness and caring are most evident, Jade, as well as your intelligence and knowledge of the LOO material. I understand the hurt. I always think I'm so detached, and for the most part I am, and then some unexpected barb will make me close up like an injured flower. The good thing is it's temporary, since the bigger picture inserts itself and such drama looses significance.

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: What I do know is that I have spent a lot of this thing called time contemplating the archetypes, and meditating upon them, because it was my understanding that it was the most difficult to understand piece of the Ra material, so I wanted to learn so that I could teach.

Jade Wrote:What I do know is that I have spent a lot of this thing called time contemplating the archetypes, and meditating upon them, because it was my understanding that it was the most difficult to understand piece of the Ra material, so I wanted to learn so that I could teach. I guess it is a little hard to hear that my efforts are not welcome here, and I took that probably a bit more personally and harshly than I should have, which likely closed my heart chakra a bit.

(12-29-2017, 12:26 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Okay then, maybe I should be more responsible about whom I try to be honest with...

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

(12-26-2017, 02:17 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-26-2017, 12:14 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

So, I feel that at this time, with so much advertisement and fake news and brainwashing and all of the constant attempts to mislead people, that to attempt to speak through all the falsities is a necessary service.

When it comes to free expression to self and others, Jade, I think you're doing quite well.  <smiling emoji-thingy>

I don't take issue with any of your stated points, and yet....something feels displaced, not quite on center....if you don't mind my saying so.  (Maybe I should give you a tarot reading to help elucidate this, eh?  JUST KIDDING!  That's not my style.)

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark, if that's okay.  I feel that the subject of your rant--stroking, not strangling the beast--comes from your heart, but that the delivery of the message has a rather strong grip, so to speak.  Put another way, your passion seems derivative of your own sense of your being's response to planetary peril, but your delivery doesn't feel like it's riding on that same inner stream of love.  It seems to have elements of self-protection in it which are most likely unintended.  Just to give an example, when CA objected to your bringing the archetypes into this discussion (a curious objection), your reply felt to me self-defensive rather than open-hearted in such a way as to acknowledge his concern while encompassing that within a larger frame of thought.  I wouldn't say your hand was on his throat, but I doubt he received much warmth from that incident in the over all interaction.

I'm not trying to over-scrutinize your behavior, but I want to compare that to the examples of King and Schweitzer.  I fully expect that King lived in a much more trying social milieu and, consequently, probably had many more unconscious leanings towards self-protection.  And it may well have been this reflexive self-protection which contributed to his having polarized much less positively than he would have liked in a positive manner. 

I can say that is the case for me right now.  It happens frequently that I look at myself not approaching a person or a situation with an open heart and I quickly see that I am trying to protect myself from.....  Well, that's where it gets interesting...and time consuming!  But I just want to be clear that I'm trying to wheedle a thin shaft of light down into this dark space to possibly benefit us both.  Letting go of a sense of safety seems fundamentally foolish on the gut level and so it is a very sensitive thing to speak to.  I hope I wasn't too strong-handed with you in this missive.

Hi peregrine. I understand your grievances. The reason I didn't give much legitimacy to the claims about my discussion of the tarot bothering people, is because I felt like its genesis was a place of misunderstanding (Sprout thought I was giving them a personal tarot reading). I felt that once I clarified that I was using the Law of One tarot archetypes in a discussion, on the Strictly Law of One forum, that there wasn't much else to address. I have spent a lot of time and energy tending to C_A, on the forums and in PMs, so criticizing me for showing a minor lack of patience for what I felt like was a non-issue in the grand scheme of things is quite hurtful, actually.

In fact, while I don't think you are too strong-handed, I think there is something a little "off", as it seems that most of the criticisms in this thread have been lobbed directly at ME, and HOW I have conveyed the message I have to convey, instead of what I have said. I know what I have said isn't the easiest message to hear, and probably hits people a little personally, so I guess I can understand why I'm experiencing personal attacks as a response to what I have had to say.

I have a feeling that if you approached MLK and told him that he was "ranting" in the wrong way, that you might feel the protective bubble that he puts around himself as well, as we all have it.

As it stands, being a moderator of a forum that is 90% male and has posters who openly call themselves misogynists with very little challenge to that extremely polarized point of view, yes, I do have some walls built up. I have had some pretty terrible things said to me in passing on these forum throughout the years, I'd say more than the average poster or moderator even. Someday, I hope to be so foolish as to not have these walls, but I have never claimed to be anywhere near the end of my journey, just at some point along the path. As you mentioned, it takes a lot of time! What I do know is that I have spent a lot of this thing called time contemplating the archetypes, and meditating upon them, because it was my understanding that it was the most difficult to understand piece of the Ra material, so I wanted to learn so that I could teach. I guess it is a little hard to hear that my efforts are not welcome here, and I took that probably a bit more personally and harshly than I should have, which likely closed my heart chakra a bit. I fully admit that. So, what other personal failings do I have to admit before we can get on with the conversation at hand?

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Hi peregrine. I understand your grievances.

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:...it seems that most of the criticisms in this thread have been lobbed directly at ME....

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:As far as the chakras go, Ra also says that the throat chakra will always have blockage until the heart chakra is completely unblocked. I think that requires a lot of -sacrifice- of one's being, yes even martyrdom - giving up some creature comforts, out of compassion for those who are enslaved because of our demand for an easy existence. I feel like talking about these things, sharing truth in the face of hypocrisy, putting light onto lies - I believe this is the function of the blue-ray, while incarnate in third density. Moving the energies, with understanding, through the chakras and into the blue ray. Now, my heart chakra is certainly not fully unblocked, so my blue ray is faulty for sure, but in my estimation I am articulating shrouded yellow-ray concepts with the blue-ray. If you think that what I am doing here, speaking out, "rearranging peoples" or whatever is hypocritical, then we all need to abstain from communicating with each other!!!  But to the best of my understanding, we cannot abstain from "doing", so we still have a responsibility with our "doing", even if our "being" is [not] quite bright and pure.


I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

(12-31-2017, 05:03 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Hi peregrine. I understand your grievances.

No, no: I have no grievance with you, Jade.  I was just trying to string together some loosely related ideas in to a clumsy garland of mirrors for you, if you will.

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:...it seems that most of the criticisms in this thread have been lobbed directly at ME....

Yes, naturally.  After all, this is a thread about responsibility and of all of us chattering here, by far, you have taken upon yourself the most responsibility for upholding this website.  And as more responsibility is taken on, more catalyst arrives therefrom, no?   It is definitely not an "honor/duty" for the faint of heart, and I echo the gratitude others have expressed for your stepping into the ring and engaging in a round of doing this work.

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:As far as the chakras go, Ra also says that the throat chakra will always have blockage until the heart chakra is completely unblocked. I think that requires a lot of -sacrifice- of one's being, yes even martyrdom - giving up some creature comforts, out of compassion for those who are enslaved because of our demand for an easy existence. I feel like talking about these things, sharing truth in the face of hypocrisy, putting light onto lies - I believe this is the function of the blue-ray, while incarnate in third density. Moving the energies, with understanding, through the chakras and into the blue ray. Now, my heart chakra is certainly not fully unblocked, so my blue ray is faulty for sure, but in my estimation I am articulating shrouded yellow-ray concepts with the blue-ray. If you think that what I am doing here, speaking out, "rearranging peoples" or whatever is hypocritical, then we all need to abstain from communicating with each other!!!  But to the best of my understanding, we cannot abstain from "doing", so we still have a responsibility with our "doing", even if our "being" is [not] quite bright and pure.


I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

If you won't mind, I would respond to the above emboldened statement to say that what's required is not a giving up of self--in fact, it's a deeper discovery of self--but an unclenching of templates of self as imagined by consciousness in the lower energy centers and tacitly accepted as the limits of self-definition when, to the contrary, templates within the heart are much warmer and expansive and simply wonderful.  It's the version of life from the perspective of energy centers 2 & 3 that stresses separation and the need for self-defensiveness.  One may perform acts of service while arranged in that posture, but the radiance, the beauty, is far less than when performed from a place of the simplest recognition of Divinity.  This may be what gave Schweitzer a more radiant energetic profile, that more of his work was done with a recognition of the Divinity within others.

So, why am I hammering you with this now, you may be wondering?  It's because I witnessed you do this very thing so beautifully 15 months ago at the conclusion of the Homecoming 2016, and I just wanted to remind you of it.   At that time you addressed all individually while clearly being informed and propelled by a very resonant place within the heart of your being.  I've recently been going through stages of my own heart coming into better alignment with my deeper being, and I felt moved to offer you some encouragement and support.  After several drafts, I see that maybe what I was trying to express is that, as you plow through your doings, service offered from that "resonant place within the heart of your being" is maybe more fun than when offering the same from a place of strife and struggle?  Nice work, if you can get it, eh?

 

(12-31-2017, 08:55 PM)hounsic Wrote:

(12-31-2017, 05:03 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Hi peregrine. I understand your grievances.

No, no: I have no grievance with you, Jade.  I was just trying to string together some loosely related ideas in to a clumsy garland of mirrors for you, if you will.

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:...it seems that most of the criticisms in this thread have been lobbed directly at ME....

Yes, naturally.  After all, this is a thread about responsibility and of all of us chattering here, by far, you have taken upon yourself the most responsibility for upholding this website.  And as more responsibility is taken on, more catalyst arrives therefrom, no?   It is definitely not an "honor/duty" for the faint of heart, and I echo the gratitude others have expressed for your stepping into the ring and engaging in a round of doing this work.

Bring4th_Jade Wrote:As far as the chakras go, Ra also says that the throat chakra will always have blockage until the heart chakra is completely unblocked. I think that requires a lot of -sacrifice- of one's being, yes even martyrdom - giving up some creature comforts, out of compassion for those who are enslaved because of our demand for an easy existence. I feel like talking about these things, sharing truth in the face of hypocrisy, putting light onto lies - I believe this is the function of the blue-ray, while incarnate in third density. Moving the energies, with understanding, through the chakras and into the blue ray. Now, my heart chakra is certainly not fully unblocked, so my blue ray is faulty for sure, but in my estimation I am articulating shrouded yellow-ray concepts with the blue-ray. If you think that what I am doing here, speaking out, "rearranging peoples" or whatever is hypocritical, then we all need to abstain from communicating with each other!!!  But to the best of my understanding, we cannot abstain from "doing", so we still have a responsibility with our "doing", even if our "being" is [not] quite bright and pure.


I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

If you won't mind, I would respond to the above emboldened statement to say that what's required is not a giving up of self--in fact, it's a deeper discovery of self--but an unclenching of templates of self as imagined by consciousness in the lower energy centers and tacitly accepted as the limits of self-definition when, to the contrary, templates within the heart are much warmer and expansive and simply wonderful.  It's the version of life from the perspective of energy centers 2 & 3 that stresses separation and the need for self-defensiveness.  One may perform acts of service while arranged in that posture, but the radiance, the beauty, is far less than when performed from a place of the simplest recognition of Divinity.  This may be what gave Schweitzer a more radiant energetic profile, that more of his work was done with a recognition of the Divinity within others.

So, why am I hammering you with this now, you may be wondering?  It's because I witnessed you do this very thing so beautifully 15 months ago at the conclusion of the Homecoming 2016, and I just wanted to remind you of it.   At that time you addressed all individually while clearly being informed and propelled by a very resonant place within the heart of your being.  I've recently been going through stages of my own heart coming into better alignment with my deeper being, and I felt moved to offer you some encouragement and support.  After several drafts, I see that maybe what I was trying to express is that, as you plow through your doings, service offered from that "resonant place within the heart of your being" is maybe more fun than when offering the same from a place of strife and struggle?  Nice work, if you can get it, eh?

 

Thank you, when I read this I felt a lightening of my being. Jade I also want to thank you for all of your contributions and hope to take a more serious look at the archetypes in 2018. I'm sure I will be PM-ing you in the new year.

(12-28-2017, 11:48 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

(12-26-2017, 02:17 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-26-2017, 12:14 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I mean, let's look at your two examples. They obviously had done a lot of DOING, as a service to the yellow-ray sphere. Where would we be without them? Where would we be without those who spoke up for truth in the face of hypocrisy? The idea that this is less spiritual is toxic, I'm sorry peregrine, but that's the best thing I can say about that interpretation of the philosophy. Of course, putting an emphasis on doing OVER being is equally as dangerous to the state of one's energetic balance. But if one uses their being to inform their doing - with lots of meditation and processing of catalyst - they are COMPELLED to serve others, as that is what Ra says that a wide-open indigo ray produces.

So, I feel that at this time, with so much advertisement and fake news and brainwashing and all of the constant attempts to mislead people, that to attempt to speak through all the falsities is a necessary service.

When it comes to free expression to self and others, Jade, I think you're doing quite well.  <smiling emoji-thingy>

I don't take issue with any of your stated points, and yet....something feels displaced, not quite on center....if you don't mind my saying so.  (Maybe I should give you a tarot reading to help elucidate this, eh?  JUST KIDDING!  That's not my style.)

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark, if that's okay.  I feel that the subject of your rant--stroking, not strangling the beast--comes from your heart, but that the delivery of the message has a rather strong grip, so to speak.  Put another way, your passion seems derivative of your own sense of your being's response to planetary peril, but your delivery doesn't feel like it's riding on that same inner stream of love.  It seems to have elements of self-protection in it which are most likely unintended.  Just to give an example, when CA objected to your bringing the archetypes into this discussion (a curious objection), your reply felt to me self-defensive rather than open-hearted in such a way as to acknowledge his concern while encompassing that within a larger frame of thought.  I wouldn't say your hand was on his throat, but I doubt he received much warmth from that incident in the over all interaction.

I'm not trying to over-scrutinize your behavior, but I want to compare that to the examples of King and Schweitzer.  I fully expect that King lived in a much more trying social milieu and, consequently, probably had many more unconscious leanings towards self-protection.  And it may well have been this reflexive self-protection which contributed to his having polarized much less positively than he would have liked in a positive manner. 

I can say that is the case for me right now.  It happens frequently that I look at myself not approaching a person or a situation with an open heart and I quickly see that I am trying to protect myself from.....  Well, that's where it gets interesting...and time consuming!  But I just want to be clear that I'm trying to wheedle a thin shaft of light down into this dark space to possibly benefit us both.  Letting go of a sense of safety seems fundamentally foolish on the gut level and so it is a very sensitive thing to speak to.  I hope I wasn't too strong-handed with you in this missive.

Hi peregrine. I understand your grievances. The reason I didn't give much legitimacy to the claims about my discussion of the tarot bothering people, is because I felt like its genesis was a place of misunderstanding (Sprout thought I was giving them a personal tarot reading). I felt that once I clarified that I was using the Law of One tarot archetypes in a discussion, on the Strictly Law of One forum, that there wasn't much else to address. I have spent a lot of time and energy tending to C_A, on the forums and in PMs, so criticizing me for showing a minor lack of patience for what I felt like was a non-issue in the grand scheme of things is quite hurtful, actually.

In fact, while I don't think you are too strong-handed, I think there is something a little "off", as it seems that most of the criticisms in this thread have been lobbed directly at ME, and HOW I have conveyed the message I have to convey, instead of what I have said. I know what I have said isn't the easiest message to hear, and probably hits people a little personally, so I guess I can understand why I'm experiencing personal attacks as a response to what I have had to say.

I have a feeling that if you approached MLK and told him that he was "ranting" in the wrong way, that you might feel the protective bubble that he puts around himself as well, as we all have it.

As it stands, being a moderator of a forum that is 90% male and has posters who openly call themselves misogynists with very little challenge to that extremely polarized point of view, yes, I do have some walls built up. I have had some pretty terrible things said to me in passing on these forum throughout the years, I'd say more than the average poster or moderator even. Someday, I hope to be so foolish as to not have these walls, but I have never claimed to be anywhere near the end of my journey, just at some point along the path. As you mentioned, it takes a lot of time! What I do know is that I have spent a lot of this thing called time contemplating the archetypes, and meditating upon them, because it was my understanding that it was the most difficult to understand piece of the Ra material, so I wanted to learn so that I could teach. I guess it is a little hard to hear that my efforts are not welcome here, and I took that probably a bit more personally and harshly than I should have, which likely closed my heart chakra a bit. I fully admit that. So, what other personal failings do I have to admit before we can get on with the conversation at hand?

(12-31-2017, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: With all the emotionally charged tangential discussions you are branching to...

unity100 Wrote:...let us remember:

Law of Responsibility is the most important law for the adept, for without the entity putting into practice what it understood, the next stage will not materialize.

(01-01-2018, 05:29 AM)peregrine Wrote: Do you really feel that the most important thing for an adept is the materialization of the next stage?  You may not intend this, but it makes it sound like a board game or a computer game where the goal is to move up through the levels as quickly as possible.  To me, this slant on spiritual growth feels heavily inflected by orange and yellow ray concepts of competition and achievement.

Quote:I would surmise that, if one were not implicating orange and yellow ray concerns in the matter, and this energy was free to rise upwards to the green and blue zones, that a very important aspect of the Law of Responsibility would appear to be the inter-relationships of all entities and other constructs.  At that point, one would desire to be responsible to the fullest extent, not for personal advancement--in an orange/yellow sense--but because extending the fullest measure of Love to all of Creation would be felt by all aspects of self due to those inter-relationships whereby All are Self and Self is All.

What do you suppose?

(01-01-2018, 10:47 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:

peregrine Wrote:Yes, I wonder if the mods will split this part of the discussion off and make it the "Love for Jade" thread?  We'll just have to wait and see.

Me: What's this statement mean? What energy is it charged with?