(07-18-2017, 04:31 PM)Glow Wrote: That is a judgement you cannot possible know to be truth.
We all have our distortions and our piece of the truth to share. Why should Osho or anyone else be expected to be perfect?
He has been very useful to many fostering courage in others to break free from their indoctrination.

All gurus are imperfect just like us. or is that perfect just like us? perfectly imperfect just like us.

(07-18-2017, 05:37 PM)Cainite Wrote: I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

(07-18-2017, 05:39 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I do not seek gurus. I learn from almost everyone as they are a mirror.
Although it's easier when I know a person.

Sometimes random strangers will walk by and I'll feel a deep love for them.

(07-18-2017, 07:33 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I like your signature sjel. If reality is expanding at infinite speed that means that one day I will be able to consciously create my own reality. Not just an unconscious collective creation like Earth is.

(07-18-2017, 05:37 PM)Cainite Wrote:

(07-18-2017, 04:31 PM)Glow Wrote: That is a judgement you cannot possible know to be truth.
We all have our distortions and our piece of the truth to share. Why should Osho or anyone else be expected to be perfect?
He has been very useful to many fostering courage in others to break free from their indoctrination.

All gurus are imperfect just like us. or is that perfect just like us? perfectly imperfect just like us.

I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

(07-18-2017, 07:13 PM)sjel Wrote:

(07-18-2017, 05:39 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I do not seek gurus. I learn from almost everyone as they are a mirror.
Although it's easier when I know a person.

Sometimes random strangers will walk by and I'll feel a deep love for them.

Ram Dass said, 'everyone is my guru. The world is designed for me.' he laughed with the audience, at himself. because he showed acute awareness of what he just said.

(07-18-2017, 08:11 PM)Glow Wrote:

(07-18-2017, 05:37 PM)Cainite Wrote:

(07-18-2017, 04:31 PM)Glow Wrote: That is a judgement you cannot possible know to be truth.
We all have our distortions and our piece of the truth to share. Why should Osho or anyone else be expected to be perfect?
He has been very useful to many fostering courage in others to break free from their indoctrination.

All gurus are imperfect just like us. or is that perfect just like us? perfectly imperfect just like us.

I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

I don't. I mean to me wanting followers or notoriety or to be put on a pedestal  is to me a bit of an egoic distortion right off the bat. He has said some good things, but then so have many others.

(07-18-2017, 07:50 PM)sjel Wrote:

(07-18-2017, 07:33 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I like your signature sjel. If reality is expanding at infinite speed that means that one day I will be able to consciously create my own reality. Not just an unconscious collective creation like Earth is.

Partially inspired by yours!! I love it because in being infinite, the Everything MUST be infinitely expanding as well. To be infinite, the One MUST be expanding - at infinite speed! Not a constant rate of expansion!! An infinitely increasing rate of expansion!! To be infinite, The All MUST be accelerating its infinite speed, infinitely!! And so on!!!

smc Wrote:0_0 ....do some research people...

Osho was the leader of a cult that ended up with followers involved in attempted murder....

(07-19-2017, 03:02 AM)Night Owl Wrote: - exercise and by exercise I mean make those lungs pump in a ton of air. Run, hike, do aerobics whatever activates the breathe to high intensity for at least 30mins. That's litterally the quickest way to dissipate any emotional charge but it takes more effort. I find running to be the most effective because the high intensity just burn the charge very fast. When it's done it's so relaxing. Yoga, tai chi and muscle training is fine but I find it harder when the body has build up so much negative energy it's like the body will fight it. It will not wamt to relax. Activating the lungs is really crucial.

(07-19-2017, 03:50 AM)smc Wrote: 0_0 ....do some research people...

Osho was the leader of a cult that ended up with followers involved in attempted murder....

(I've been researching cults for more than 10 years... there are SO many - and 'new age' is full of them.)

sjel.... you're at a crossroads (imo)... you can transmute the poison or let it grow within you... your choice

but if you're taking out the anger you have for your father on other family members - that's ineffective and inappropriate

and IT'S UNKIND - it's STS behaviour

find a way to release the poison - find a way to heal

this is YOUR journey

YOUR choice - move towards the Light - or keep allowing yourself to be eaten by the dark

you signed on for this struggle

(07-19-2017, 07:31 PM)Glow Wrote: I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho but there is still a lot he said that was pretty profound. Helped me a lot when I was first feeling the world and I were on different paths.

(07-19-2017, 03:02 AM)Night Owl Wrote: - exercise and by exercise I mean make those lungs pump in a ton of air. Run, hike, do aerobics whatever activates the breathe to high intensity for at least 30mins. That's litterally the quickest way to dissipate any emotional charge but it takes more effort. I find running to be the most effective because the high intensity just burn the charge very fast. When it's done it's so relaxing. Yoga, tai chi and muscle training is fine but I find it harder when the body has build up so much negative energy it's like the body will fight it. It will not wamt to relax. Activating the lungs is really crucial.

(07-18-2017, 04:51 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-17-2017, 04:15 PM)sjel Wrote: Help me? But I can only help myself?

Low on clarity? Low on light?

Ra provides a simple answer to that problem.

Quote:Ra: [...] In this density an increase in the serving of others or the serving of self will almost inevitably increase the ability of an entity to enjoy an higher intensity of light. [...]

Quote:Ra: [...] The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. [...]

I don't know if this helps, but it might be worth thinking about.

Glow Wrote:On the Osho thing I find any guru has cult potential, just thinking you are more capable of deciding what is right or wrong for other people makes me think of some sort of supiriority complex. It doesn't mean everything they say or is attributed to them is now moot. Christianity has inspired some cults, and it spoke of stoning and other barbaric practices. It is pretty culti being basically about control.
Still there is some good stuff in there.

Ghandi said and did some great things but has some creepy things attributed to him too. We could just make a list of all the alternative thinkers who have contributed to the spiritual path and I doubt a one got it all right. They just did their part like we do ours.

I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho but there is still a lot he said that was pretty profound. Helped me a lot when I was first feeling the world and I were on different paths.

Quote:A man is trapped on one side of a fast-flowing river. Where he stands, there is great danger and uncertainty - but on the far side of the river, there is safety. But there is no bridge or ferry for crossing. So the man gathers logs, leaves, twigs, and vines and is able to fashion a raft, sturdy enough to carry him to the other shore. By lying on the raft and using his arms to paddle, he crosses the river to safety.

The Buddha then asks the listeners a question: “What would you think if the man, having crossed over the river, then said to himself, ‘Oh, this raft has served me so well, I should strap it on to my back and carry it over land now?’” The monks replied that it would not be very sensible to cling to the raft in such a way.

The Buddha continues: “What if he lay the raft down gratefully, thinking that this raft has served him well, but is no longer of use and can thus be laid down upon the shore?”

The monks replied that this would be the proper attitude.

The Buddha concluded by saying, “So it is with my teachings, which are like a raft, and are for crossing over with — not for seizing hold of.”

Quote:The false teacher will keep his followers around him all the time, will not tell them that they are being given a training which must end as soon as possible, and will not give them the opportunity to taste their development themselves and carry on as fulfilled people.

(07-20-2017, 03:59 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(07-18-2017, 04:51 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(07-17-2017, 04:15 PM)sjel Wrote: Help me? But I can only help myself?

Low on clarity? Low on light?

Ra provides a simple answer to that problem.

Quote:Ra: [...] In this density an increase in the serving of others or the serving of self will almost inevitably increase the ability of an entity to enjoy an higher intensity of light. [...]

Quote:Ra: [...] The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. [...]

I don't know if this helps, but it might be worth thinking about.

Higher intensity of light simply means increased catalyst, or information to be processed. It's because it creates greater and greater spiritual density, allowing you to progress to wherever you're 'going' faster and faster regardless of physical circumstances.

(07-17-2017, 04:15 PM)sjel Wrote: I feel hate occasionally, and love. No feelings though /.../ This combination of clarity and confusion!

Glow Wrote:I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho

Osho Wrote:People are sad, jealous, and thinking that Rolls Royces don’t fit with spirituality. I don’t see that there is any contradiction… In fact, sitting in a bullock cart it is very difficult to be meditative; a Rolls Royce is the best for spiritual growth.

(07-20-2017, 09:12 AM)smc Wrote: when you've been abused, damaged and hurt by cults/gurus/similar it's not appropriate to have responses that minimise the damage and say it's all an "experience" and that there's usefulness in 'some' of their words/ideas

Quote:“It needs remembering that the evils and pains of life have only a passing existence and are relative to the good and joys of life. Their own existence is in the end controlled by the divine laws and used for the divinely based universal outworking. Such complementaries and relativities follow by necessity as soon as this outworking itself begins afresh with every renewed cosmic period. How could any universe come into existence without both good and evil, light and darkness, joy and sorrow, coming with it? Such duality is the inescapable and tragic side of its manifestation. The existence of one opposite is a necessary consequence of the existence of the other. Those who ask for a painless world do not comprehend that they are also asking for a joyless one. The ebb and flow between opposites of joy and anguish, possession and loss, gives man a sense of values which he could not gain to such a vivid degree any other way. Experience of one kind provides a needed balance for the experience of its contrary. This helps him form a just estimate of bodily life and earthly values, a truer perception of its transiency, and thus brings him closer to the consciousness of the spiritual life.”

- Paul Brunton

(07-20-2017, 09:29 AM)YinYang Wrote:

(07-20-2017, 09:12 AM)smc Wrote: when you've been abused, damaged and hurt by cults/gurus/similar it's not appropriate to have responses that minimise the damage and say it's all an "experience" and that there's usefulness in 'some' of their words/ideas

It depends on where someone is in their recovery, initially there's nothing funny about it, but much further down the line you can actually see the humour in it. Carla said the same of Don's death, for six years she was suffering tremendously, and when she had recovered sufficiently, she could see the humour in it... I think this is somewhere in book 5, or maybe it's in Wanderer's Handbook.

Quote:“It needs remembering that the evils and pains of life have only a passing existence and are relative to the good and joys of life. Their own existence is in the end controlled by the divine laws and used for the divinely based universal outworking. Such complementaries and relativities follow by necessity as soon as this outworking itself begins afresh with every renewed cosmic period. How could any universe come into existence without both good and evil, light and darkness, joy and sorrow, coming with it? Such duality is the inescapable and tragic side of its manifestation. The existence of one opposite is a necessary consequence of the existence of the other. Those who ask for a painless world do not comprehend that they are also asking for a joyless one. The ebb and flow between opposites of joy and anguish, possession and loss, gives man a sense of values which he could not gain to such a vivid degree any other way. Experience of one kind provides a needed balance for the experience of its contrary. This helps him form a just estimate of bodily life and earthly values, a truer perception of its transiency, and thus brings him closer to the consciousness of the spiritual life.”

- Paul Brunton

(07-20-2017, 09:29 AM)YinYang Wrote: It depends on where someone is in their recovery, initially there's nothing funny about it, but much further down the line you can actually see the humour in it. Carla said the same of Don's death, for six years she was suffering tremendously, and when she had recovered sufficiently, she could see the humour in it... I think this is somewhere in book 5, or maybe it's in Wanderer's Handbook.

(07-17-2017, 04:15 PM)sjel Wrote: I am devoid of anything. Primarily confused. I am saying random words to my brother and mother because I feel nothing. They are probably scared.

I feel hate occasionally, and love. No feelings though. some glimpses of what joy is to come, eventually.

See little glimpses of my smiling guides, my smiling friends. I'm definitely going insane.

Definitely approaching insanity. Yet my head is increadibly clear. I purposely leave the a in incredibly. This combination of clarity and confusion!

Help me? But I can only help myself?

(07-20-2017, 01:57 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: