rva_jeremy Wrote:Acceptance, well, what is there to say about that?

Quote:Ra: We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next.

Quote:Ra: The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.

(06-18-2017, 06:39 AM)YinYang Wrote: When you are attached to certain outcomes, there is a kind of a muscle tension and uncomfortableness, which you are not even consciously aware of mostly, you just don't feel at ease or peaceful, and when you let go, the tension just vanishes.

(06-18-2017, 06:39 AM)YinYang Wrote: For me it's faith, it's letting go.

(06-18-2017, 06:39 AM)YinYang Wrote: Acceptance is freedom. It's knowing that all is well.

(06-17-2017, 07:03 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:

sjel Wrote:From what I understand the veil impedes spiritual momentum - the thicker the veil, the greater the inertia in trying to start towards one polarity or the other.

Just to be clear, I think the veil is at least intended to enhance momentum by creating more intensely polarized experiences.  However, I think it simply doesn't achieve this perfectly in 100% of cases.  I always return to the mystery inherent in all this, the idea that all of this constitutes a foray into the unknown for the Creator.

Diana Wrote:These are two different concepts. What is it you have faith in? Having faith is attachment to a belief that all is well or that things will come out "right," it is not letting go. Faith is a kind of displaced control, onto some force (OIC, God, the Universe) that is in control. Faith infers an emotional charge; there is no emotional charge in detachment.

Diana Wrote:Again, two different concepts. Letting go of control, acceptance, detachment, does not mean all is well. One might accept a war of human construct killing and maiming people, animals, plant life, etc., but one does not have to think or believe it is "well." One can still dislike suffering—or let's say not align with suffering—but accept it as the way this realm operates at this point in time for whatever reasons.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the path your life-experience complex has taken. Consider the coincidences and odd circumstances by which one thing flowed to the next. Consider this well.

Each entity will receive the opportunity that each needs. This information source-beingness does not have uses in the life-experience complex of each of those among your peoples who seek. Thus the advertisement is general and not designed to indicate the searching out of any particular material, but only to suggest the noumenal aspect of the illusion.

(06-18-2017, 02:37 PM)YinYang Wrote: Acceptance is the result of faith to me, they are intertwined. Acceptance of the dark and the light. There is no loss, only evolution. No-one will be left behind, however many cycles it takes. Let them sleep, help is available for those who call.

Quote:Ra: is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss.

(06-14-2017, 01:20 PM)Diana Wrote:

(06-14-2017, 10:36 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  It's always darkest before the dawn, and those of Ra seem to describe polarization as often a very sudden phenomenon, especially sharp swings in polarity from one side to the other.

Perhaps this is the case. I try to focused on me and what I do, because in my opinion everything flows from that. Over the last few decades it has been difficult, however, to see how the world has progressed. This free will mandate for humans causes so much suffering to other life forms. I can easily accept humanity's plight given the collective consciousness—that is not to say I am not saddened by human suffering. But the cruelty and harm done intentionally and because of disconnect and unawareness to other life forms including the planet is hard to bear. Don't get me wrong—I don't dwell on this or even focus on it for any length of time, but there it is as a fact.

(06-14-2017, 08:54 AM)Agua del Cielo Wrote: There are no excuses, absolutely no excuses!
We know enough to get started seriously.

Everything that is not healed in us we continue to spread over the planet.
The violence we experienced, the hurt and so on, we continuously spread it all over the place and aret even aware of it.
Like the test of humanity we are neither really connected to the earth plane nor are we really connected to the "spirit world".
And i am askingeach of you:
How can you expect other people to heal, to evolve, to chamge if you refuse to take the effort to heal and grow?

I agree with this. We must look within ourselves for healing. We must be courageous to do it. But I don't think there is anything more worthwhile in this life.

And I do think this free will idea can be an excuse for self-indulgence, and not to courageously look at self squarely and honestly. Intellectually, it's easy to say, free will allows for the experiential process to unfold fully. And yet, when does one wake up and make conscious choices that derive from compassion for all, not just self? In 4th density, does anyone imagine they will be doing other beings harm unnecessarily?

For example, when does a person stop eating meat that comes from torture and slavery? I know there will be rolling of eyes from members because Diana has brought up the meat-eating thing again—and it is but one (though huge and terrible) example. But we as humans continue to pillage this planet and the life here for our selfish reasons. So as we awaken, and polarize to STO, I agree with Agua that we must heal ourselves. Because if we don't, we will be unconsciously operating from triggers, and/or operating from a brainwashed position derived from societal propaganda, and not operating from clarity.

If we desire this world to be a more beautiful place, we must be that ourselves. As Gandhi said: Be the change you want to see in the world. Accepting and loving the way things are is not the same as joining in with everything just for the experience. At some point in evolution one makes conscious choices.

(06-18-2017, 02:19 PM)sjel Wrote: What I meant by inertia is that it's much harder for native Earth entities to begin polarizing in earnest, given the veil thickness

(06-19-2017, 12:02 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(06-14-2017, 01:20 PM)Diana Wrote: But we as humans continue to pillage this planet and the life here for our selfish reasons. So as we awaken, and polarize to STO, I agree with Agua that we must heal ourselves. Because if we don't, we will be unconsciously operating from triggers, and/or operating from a brainwashed position derived from societal propaganda, and not operating from clarity.

If we desire this world to be a more beautiful place, we must be that ourselves. As Gandhi said: Be the change you want to see in the world. Accepting and loving the way things are is not the same as joining in with everything just for the experience. At some point in evolution one makes conscious choices.

You kind of answer your own question. If humans are not beautiful, then they affect reality in such a way that beauty becomes rarer and rarer. If humans act in a way that is beautiful, reality becomes beautiful. This is more a commentary on those that are in 'control', than it is a reflection of those that labor under the illusions they perpetuate...

Beauty is by it's very nature somewhat fragile, and is easily harmed by those that are so removed from the beauty in themselves that they feel they must capture beauty for themselves.

(06-18-2017, 02:37 PM)YinYang Wrote: Acceptance is the result of faith to me, they are intertwined. Acceptance of the dark and the light. There is no loss, only evolution. No-one will be left behind, however many cycles it takes. Let them sleep, help is available for those who call.

(06-19-2017, 10:07 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote: Once you begin to polarize, events and experiences in our veiled condition seem to move one along, but it's quite an act to start that rock rolling. My intuition about the unveiled third density experience is that such inertia was not really achievable even once one started polarizing; since everything is seen as it really is and everything is completely chosen, there's no mysterious catalytic influx to further push you along, to make you go outside your comfort zone and put one's choice to the test.

(06-19-2017, 01:24 PM)Diana Wrote:

(06-19-2017, 12:02 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(06-14-2017, 01:20 PM)Diana Wrote: But we as humans continue to pillage this planet and the life here for our selfish reasons. So as we awaken, and polarize to STO, I agree with Agua that we must heal ourselves. Because if we don't, we will be unconsciously operating from triggers, and/or operating from a brainwashed position derived from societal propaganda, and not operating from clarity.

If we desire this world to be a more beautiful place, we must be that ourselves. As Gandhi said: Be the change you want to see in the world. Accepting and loving the way things are is not the same as joining in with everything just for the experience. At some point in evolution one makes conscious choices.

You kind of answer your own question. If humans are not beautiful, then they affect reality in such a way that beauty becomes rarer and rarer. If humans act in a way that is beautiful, reality becomes beautiful. This is more a commentary on those that are in 'control', than it is a reflection of those that labor under the illusions they perpetuate...

Beauty is by it's very nature somewhat fragile, and is easily harmed by those that are so removed from the beauty in themselves that they feel they must capture beauty for themselves.

I wasn't talking about humans being beautiful, I was talking about humans having compassion and awareness. Because of technology and digital media, humans have every opportunity to be informed. If one is informed, for example, of the extent of starvation in the world, or the suffering of laboratory animals, one now has information that can open one's heart to others.

When I mentioned the world being a beautiful place, I meant a world where we all (humans, animals, plants, the planet, etc.) live in harmony. The glitch in this idea is, of course, humans. I don't mean to have a lack of compassion for humans—it is obviously difficult to be here, and the nature of this existence is what it is (though I do not purport to "know" anything).

(06-18-2017, 02:37 PM)YinYang Wrote: Acceptance is the result of faith to me, they are intertwined. Acceptance of the dark and the light. There is no loss, only evolution. No-one will be left behind, however many cycles it takes. Let them sleep, help is available for those who call.

Though we are conversing within a particular subject in this thread, I rarely see references to all life deserving compassion. It's usually just humans. We live on a planet, a being, without whom we couldn't exist in physicality. This opportunity allows us to incarnate, evolve, serve, so it goes way beyond physical. And all the nonhuman life on the planet—what about them? I mean it all including hated species such as insects and rats and viruses. It's all at the mercy of humans. Members here have suggested that the lower life forms serve us by suffering. Perhaps this is true. But does that make it okay? Would anyone here want this to continue? To say all is well because of the dance of light and dark works pretty well when one takes into consideration only humans, who have choice.

We are all one does not mean just humans are all one. When there is war, it's not just humans who suffer. At least humans can attend each others' wounds from various biological and explosive weaponry. Has anyone thought about the wounded animals? The trees?

Jeesh, sometimes I'm a real downer.

Diana Wrote:Though we are conversing within a particular subject in this thread, I rarely see references to all life deserving compassion. It's usually just humans. We live on a planet, a being, without whom we couldn't exist in physicality. This opportunity allows us to incarnate, evolve, serve, so it goes way beyond physical. And all the nonhuman life on the planet—what about them? I mean it all including hated species such as insects and rats and viruses. It's all at the mercy of humans. Members here have suggested that the lower life forms serve us by suffering. Perhaps this is true. But does that make it okay? Would anyone here want this to continue? To say all is well because of the dance of light and dark works pretty well when one takes into consideration only humans, who have choice.

We are all one does not mean just humans are all one. When there is war, it's not just humans who suffer. At least humans can attend each others' wounds from various biological and explosive weaponry. Has anyone thought about the wounded animals? The trees?

Jeesh, sometimes I'm a real downer.

Quote:Questioner: Can you tell me why the Earth will be fourth-density positive instead of fourth-density negative after the cycle is complete since it seems that there is a greater negative population?

Ra: I am Ra. The Earth seems to be negative. That is due to the quiet, shall we say, horror which is the common distortion which those good or positively oriented entities have towards the occurrences which are of your space/time present. However, those oriented and harvestable in the ways of service to others greatly outnumber those whose orientation towards service to self has become that of harvestable quality.

Quote:We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.

- Carl Jung

(06-20-2017, 06:22 AM)YinYang Wrote: I don't think you're a downer, and I think your sentiments are shared by every empath on the planet, which I believe is the majority.

(06-20-2017, 06:22 AM)YinYang Wrote: I'm a huge animal lover, and lover of nature. I have unfollowed every one of my friends who share animal cruelty stuff of Facebook on a regular basis, simply because I just cannot look at it... I love insects too, even spiders. When one of those nice big ones, that is the size of your hand, decides to share our humble abode with us, I always catch it and throw it outside - and I am PETRIFIED of spiders.

(06-20-2017, 06:22 AM)YinYang Wrote: It has taken me some time to get to this point, where I accept all the "ugliness" of this world. It has given me peace of mind. Sometimes I still fall back in the old ways, and get all riled up by something I witness or see in the news...  I have been following Ra's advice about internalising our polarity, starting with myself, my dark and my light. You become more accepting of the dark in others, when you have faced your own darkness, with as much honesty as you can muster.

(06-20-2017, 06:22 AM)YinYang Wrote: At some point in your evolution in earlier lifetimes (or this one) you might have done some really atrocious things.

(06-20-2017, 06:22 AM)YinYang Wrote: Perhaps the majority of earthlings are at an early stage of their 3rd density evolution, which is okay.

(06-20-2017, 06:22 AM)YinYang Wrote: Acceptance transforms people, it's love, and love liberates (I'm quick to talk the talk! :-) Still learning to walk the walk). We also know that earth will become 4th density positive, which gives great comfort, to me at least. It could have gone the other way…

Quote:I regret to announce that I am not there yet, I am still a happy meat eater, but I have come across this "refrain from this" and "refrain from that" topic from many mystical authors over the years, and they all say it just doesn't work like that.

(06-20-2017, 01:35 PM)Diana Wrote: You mentioned that you unfriend people on FB for posting animal cruelty. I am just curious as to how you can be a happy meat eater. This is not a judgment. I am genuinely curious, because this gets to the heart of my confusion as to how people can stay disconnected when the information is widely available. I can't understand how you can take pity on a spider but not a cow, fish, or chicken. 


If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear your perspective on this subject.

Diana Wrote:If you are saying the majority of people are empathic, that may be true, but most certainly don't know it or have not gotten connected to it yet. It lies in potential only, or at least, that is what I observe.

Diana Wrote:If you actually "throw" it, which may have been metaphorical, just know that they break easily. The way I do it is carefully get a large glass over the insect or get it to crawl into it, slide a piece of mail under the glass, upend the glass, carry it outside and set the glass down so the insect/spider can crawl out. 

Diana Wrote:I agree that a lot of humanity seems in general to be early stage 3rd still—closer to herd (animal) mentality—though it gets confusing with our level of technology.

Diana Wrote:You mentioned that you unfriend people on FB for posting animal cruelty. I am just curious as to how you can be a happy meat eater. This is not a judgment. I am genuinely curious, because this gets to the heart of my confusion as to how people can stay disconnected when the information is widely available. I can't understand how you can take pity on a spider but not a cow, fish, or chicken.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear your perspective on this subject.

(06-21-2017, 06:15 AM)YinYang Wrote: I don't know why I don't see the eating of meat as wrong. The supermarket where I buy my meat, says they only sell ethically sourced meat.

Maybe I'm deluding myself... I did buy the book Eating Animals recently, maybe I'll change my view on it after I've read it...

At this point, all I can say is I simply don't know about this one. I have never known any vegetarians personally, braai is a strong part of our culture. We call barbeque "braai" (all our races), and we even have a National Braai Day once a year. When you meet new people, you say to them "come braai with us", not "come over for a drink", or "let's get together"... "let's braai".

Maybe it is just such a part of us, that we never questioned it. I don't know...

(06-21-2017, 09:10 AM)Fuse Wrote: Instead, as my spirituality is spiraling positive, it seems like eating meat serves as a drag on my progress. Most of the time the slowdown isn't traumatic, just more like being grounded back to an unpolarized state, but there have been a few times over the last six months where I tasted a piece of meat (usually something my wife had ordered) and something was horrifyingly off with it. The worst was a piece of steak that made me instantly nauseated, but a weird kind of nauseated that I've never felt before, like it came out of my mind more than my stomach. I was chewing this piece of meat, and could tell quite well that there was nothing wrong with it in the traditional sense. I couldn't taste or smell any decay, everything seemed perfectly normal about it, but the instant it hit my mouth, I could sense the wrongness of it, and somehow, as I swallowed it, I knew that this cow had died in fear and pain. It really was kind of horrifying.

(06-21-2017, 09:10 AM)Fuse Wrote: I don't think eating meat is a spiritual dealbreaker or anything like that. Jesus shared fish he cooked with his disciples after he resurrected, after all, and the Buddha wasn't a vegetarian and didn't teach vegetarianism. Further, there is a danger, for changing one's diet for the wrong reasons can serve as a distraction to one's spiritual progress, if you start deciding that you're right and every one else needs to be corrected. One can begin to substitute that shallow, surface level change for the real soul level growth one needs to be undertaking, and turn vegetarianism into an idolatrous "Way," rather than a simple dietary choice. (I was thinking of some vegan acquaintances when I wrote this, just an FYI, this isn't aimed at Diana or anyone else here.)

(06-21-2017, 09:10 AM)Fuse Wrote: Looking ahead a thousand years, to an Earth inhabited by a fourth density social memory complex...do we really foresee that this enlightened fourth density civilization, in which the vibrational state of the Earth has polarized sufficiently for fifth and sixth density entities to start visiting in the "flesh," will achieve sustenance through the destruction of second density creatures? According to most of the channeled sources I've encountered on this topic, most positively polarized species in the universe do not destroy second density (or other) entities to sustain themselves. They eat the freely offered fruits of second density entities who have incarnated to provide this service. They would never artificially end that service in order to eat the entity itself.

The Jain are really the only people on this planet who pursue that kind of diet. Their dietary traditions are a fascinating study with fifteen hundred years of results to analyze.

(06-21-2017, 09:10 AM)Fuse Wrote: Instead, as my spirituality is spiraling positive, it seems like eating meat serves as a drag on my progress. Most of the time the slowdown isn't traumatic, just more like being grounded back to an unpolarized state

Quote:Questioner: In dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the most or the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. In this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. The vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products. These are those substances showing respect for the self. In addition, though this has not been mentioned, for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. Again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. Thus self reveals self to self.

Quote:Questioner: Would Ra please mention which foods are highly probable in not causing any spasming in the instrument’s digestive system?

Ra: I am Ra. The liquids not containing carbonation, the well-cooked vegetable which is most light and soft, the well-cooked grains, the non-fatted meat such as the fish. You may note that some recommended foodstuffs overlap allergies and sensitivities due to the juvenile rheumatoid arthritic distortions. Further, although sugar such as is in your sweetened desserts represents a potential, we may suggest that it be included at this period for aforementioned reasons.

(06-29-2017, 04:51 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I started becoming vegetarian on my way to vegan because someone on a video said that it was a karma-free diet.

YinYang Wrote:Well, Ra had the same veil thickness as us in their third density, so while a very dense veil can certainly create more of a challenge, it's not the only factor playing a role in the situation that there are few to harvest on earth.

Quote:The ones who were harvested to your sphere from the sphere known before its dissolution as other names, but to your peoples as Maldek, incarnated, many within your Earth’s surface rather than upon it. The population of your planet contains many various groups harvested from other second-dimension and cycled third-dimension spheres. You are not all one race or background of beginning. The experience you share is unique to this time/space continuum.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. It was in the second cycle of 25,000 years. We had a harvest of six out of thirty, to speak roughly, millions of mind/body/spirit complexes, less than 20%.

YinYang Wrote:I'm quite happy not taking any position on this for the moment. Biological existence is such, that you have to kill to live, so then it just becomes a matter of which is ethical to kill and which isn't, and while I haven't read the meat thread (glancing at a few posts was enough to see that the apple cart fell over :-), it appears that its not as clear cut as some make it out to be.

rva_jeremy Wrote:it almost seems like the personal activism is a way to deter real political action that could make a difference.

(06-29-2017, 03:35 AM)YinYang Wrote: Okay, I have spent the last couple of days... looking at some awful things online. I might not be held responsible for my actions if I witness in person what I have seen in some of these videos...

Now I need to restore my peace again, but I just thought I'd let you know, Diana, that I'm pretty much over eating meat for now. I simply cannot be accessory to that, which is what I am if I buy meat.

(06-29-2017, 03:35 AM)YinYang Wrote: I also feel like mentioning that the approach taken by some vegans and vegetarians in the meat thread, made me shake my head in disbelief. No meat eating friend of mine is "conscienceless" or polarising negatively, I know this because I know them, and it was implied in that thread. It reminded me of the pharisees in the bible... making people feel bad about themselves can never yield any positive results. I can also see that the thread was a strong catalyst for many involved, and I learned much :-)

Jade Wrote:But, the idea that since giant, sweeping changes need to be made, so personal responsibility is a cop out, is quite twisted.

Jade Wrote:I'm not sure this is true. Ra says their time on Venus was very harmonious and that what causes our "special needs" conditions here on Earth is the many different groups that are coming here to finish out their cycle.

Jade Wrote:I know you've changed your position a bit, but I feel like sharing the main difference between what I choose to eat and what I choose not to eat, for me. The fact is, that plants have developed and evolved to have parts of them consumed, while the rest of the plant thrives. Also, almost all plants have developed a system that requires some symbiosis with a being that can voluntarily move itself to different physical locations, whether that be a seed in a bird's beak, on a deer's fur, or in a primate's digestive system, or pollen on a bee or in the air. I can go out to my garden and harvest an entire meal for myself and not kill anything. Many plants thrive after being harvested - and the plants that we "kill" to eat are usually harvested at the end of their natural life cycle, anyway - they've produced their seed/fruit, and now they live on the hope that something will carry its genes away.

Diana Wrote:I think you have to really look at the context. The minority here, who were advocating for the animals, may have said things which sparked your disbelief, but the whole thread must be looked at to have a perspective. And you must be willing to give the vegetarian viewpoint an unbiased look. We were talking about things in general, not pointing fingers. Though understand, there is no way of talking about the plight of meat animals without meat-eaters thinking you are pointing fingers even though you are trying to talk generally.

And if you were to read those threads with an unbiased point of view, I think you might recognize that the vegetarians were attacked mercilessly at times (though many of the more offensive posts were deleted). Or pushed and prodded with unethical posts showing stuffed pigs, or steaming meat. It's not unusual. I have been vegetarian since '93, and I couldn't count the times people have joked "I had baby seal for lunch" thinking it's funny. I don't really care what people say, but it does get old and it's so unnecessary.

I hesitate to tell anyone I'm vegan, because the judgments that immediately arise are extreme. Even members here have accused vegans (in general) of being "extremists and zealots." It's simply not true. It's a biased judgment. All Muslims aren't extremists for example. And how many extremists eat meat? So it is a very skewed perspective.

The vegan perspective must be looked at with compassion (and it is absolutely based on compassion). I can see how unaware people will look at the (sensationalized) news and think that the (hypothetical) vegans/animal activists who broke into a testing lab to illegally film the animals were extremists, vigilantes, etc., when the truth was, one of the "activists" got a job there to do just that, and they came in at night after the other employees had gone home. This isn't really hypothetical because I saw a show on the public station of just this. The two who went to the lab at night, and filmed—among other horrors—a rabbit trying to walk on the floor but could only crawl and writhe in a spastic way, full of some chemical being tested, were both crying witnessing all the suffering. They did this so people would see what really happens to these poor animals in hopes of spreading awareness. If people know about the horrors, perhaps they will then make choices about what to buy that don't support torture and killing. Just as you have done.

rva_jeremy Wrote:the way capitalism has accommodated the lifestyle of conscious consumption is a bit disturbing to me

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Any organization which demands obedience without question upon the basis of relative power is functioning according to the above described plan.

(07-01-2017, 11:05 AM)YinYang Wrote: So we've been talking all things vegetarian this afternoon, and an interesting question came up from my friend... What do you feed your dog, who is naturally a carnivore, being descendent from wolves. We don't have cats, but the same applies to cats, members of the feline family.