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________ - GentleWanderer - 09-14-2016
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RE: Etheric template body - anagogy - 09-18-2016
(09-14-2016, 04:41 PM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Yes and it most cases to be done properly it requires talking to the entity and explaning that there is a better place for him/her to live than in the actual physical body. There are many differents cases sometimes the entity is a deceased family member (in these cases the host should also realise that he/she must let go of his/her cherished guests) and is only in the energy or aura of the person, sometimes the entity is more inside the body. I don't know much about exorcism but it's often violent and there are better ways to do.
This is just my opinion, but in much of the cases where the being says it is the "deceased family member", it's not. It's just a thoughtform of the deceased family member (a lower astral instinctual creature, or collection of psychological behavioral patterns). This goes for a lot of Ouija board conversations with the deceased as well (there are exceptions). I suppose in some sense you could say it is the family member (a certain aspect of them), just not what we generally think of as the person we knew in life (that self aware consciousness has almost assuredly moved on to the other side).
Ra: "Occasionally an other-self will so demand the form of the one passing through the physical death that some semblance of the being will remain. This is orange ray. This is rare, for normally if one entity desires another enough to call it, the entity will have the corresponding desire to be called. Thus the manifestation would be the shell of yellow ray."
Extreme attachment can result in this unwillingness to let a person go, which results in this kind of lower astral attachment. But the self aware personality themselves, rarely perpetrates such astral shenanigans and exists at a much higher and more spiritual state of awareness.
_______ - GentleWanderer - 09-19-2016
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RE: Etheric template body - AnthroHeart - 09-19-2016
You should see the movie "The Five People You Meet in Heaven". It covers someone's crossing over.
RE: Etheric template body - anagogy - 09-19-2016
(09-19-2016, 08:38 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: I don't know myself, i'm not in touch with these others realites but what i've heard is that in many cases it is the deceased person, (not just a thought) form who is still on the physical plane while having no more physical body. From what i've learnt this is not rare (although is becoming less frequent now because the consciousness of most people is higher than in the past) : the person has not been able to go to the other side because she/he have many false beliefs like believing in hell, or being a strong atheist, don't believing in others lives. I can also happen when the death occurs in a traumatic way like in a war. What i've heard and which can be quite surprising is that in many cases the deceased person doesn't even know she/he 's left the body because she/he feels very alive and can go where she/he wants and don't understand why the family don't hear and talk to him/her. The person who taught me that said there is often a lot of anger from the deceased because they don't understand why the family speak of them as having died.
In these cases the work is to make understand that the person doesn't have a physical body anymore. Sometimes it's even useful to talk to them and show them they're unable to move physical objects so that they understand they don't have a body.
Ghosts are certainly possible. They just don't ordinarily get stuck in peoples "aura" is all, to my understanding (though they certainly can stick around a particular person they have a great deal of concern or attachment to). That's definitely more of a lower astral type creature that attaches in that particular way (but maybe I'm wrong, who knows). A ghost can experience a wide variety of realities. They can be aware of the physical word, or they can often be stuck in in a sort of hallucinated astral world that resembles what they knew in life (and can even move objects in this world which makes it seem like they are still alive). There can be vibrational overlap between their mental world and the physical world, which can result in haunting type phenomena (which is simultaneously terrifying for the ghost as well). Other ghost sub-types have no vibrational overlap with a physical location, and don't go back home either. They basically inhabit their own personal dream world, with artificial inhabitants (subconscious automatons). People wonder why ghost would inhabit a dilapidated physical location, but often they can't even see the dilapidation, they just see what they saw in life.
A lot of the cases where you see a haunting where a murder is being reenacted, it is not the murderers spirit and the victims spirit locked in some sort of supernatural cat and mouse game, it is merely the victim's spirit, reliving the murder like a kind of recurring nightmare, manifesting both "roles". They are stuck in a kind of emotional loop of consciousness, where they often can't see the helpers from the spirit world trying to rouse them from the nightmare, and they can barely see the inhabitants of the physical world who just want them to go away and stop haunting them. They are in no mans land, basically, which is tragically mostly unreachable (similar to how the Maldek entities were unreachable after their planetary annihilation -- stuck in a knot of fear).
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