(09-09-2016, 11:46 AM)peregrine Wrote: You're right, I was not familiar with the camelot project.  For what it's worth, what I see there is not a heartfelt offering of love and light, particularly.  It feels rather disharmonious compared to offerings from the heart.  (Not that I'm always living up to the highest standards, myself.)

I read about 30% of the Svali page and I thought that was plenty to experience it as a vibration dedicated destabilization through fear and paranoia.  That seems worthy of mention.

Lastly, I'm doing the best I can to be respectful towards yourself.  I trust you'll let me know how I'm doing in that department.

(09-09-2016, 12:31 PM)Aion Wrote: Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

(09-09-2016, 01:01 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 12:31 PM)Aion Wrote: Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

(09-09-2016, 01:17 PM)Aion Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:01 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 12:31 PM)Aion Wrote: Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

I am glad you enjoy my unique literary style. I do my best to be both simple and to the point.

(09-09-2016, 01:24 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:17 PM)Aion Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:01 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 12:31 PM)Aion Wrote: Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

I am glad you enjoy my unique literary style. I do my best to be both simple and to the point.

Why not, for the benefit of the forum, expand on your initial comment; perhaps using a wider assortment of nouns, adjectives, pronouns, etc.
Sure, we will all be in the realm of telepathy soon, but just to facilitate fluid communications in the mean time.  

(09-09-2016, 01:32 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

(09-09-2016, 01:47 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:32 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

I do think that is what they all hint toward, inward seeking.

(09-09-2016, 01:32 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Hidden hand to me seems like an ordinary person who has done there Ra homework. I personally do not like the feeling get from hidden hand. I read some of her rhetoric on her being from s m c lucifer, and how Yahweh asked for help in his creation. When she spoke on Yahweh it was with obvious distain. It was pretty clear to me one of her main sources of information was the Ra Material. I don't like how she portays herself being of the bloodlines, and openly says she's a negative adept. Then a paragraph down will then flip to sto variations of material. So basically in my opinion of your interested in hidden hand, just skip to the source and read Ra. Everything else is her subjective view of what is. f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

Quote: The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

(09-09-2016, 11:42 AM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 11:26 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: That's the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories in general.  Even the most well-meaning person who repeats them believing it's a service is ultimately just spreading ideas full of fear and negativity.  After all, those who profit from fear also profit from being feared.  Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent.  After all, the ultimate message here is basically "The world is controlled by an evil which is so deeply entrenched and widespread in reach no one could reasonably hope to uproot it."  I have a hard time imagining a more potent message for increasing paranoia and distrust in people, whether it's true or not.

You are, I believe, mistaken.
Your instict instructs you to ignore or block out these unimaginable things. These terrors. However, the higher you progress, the purer your vibration, the more you will see them to be real, actual elements of our society. This prompts acceptance. 
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.

(09-09-2016, 02:27 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 11:42 AM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 11:26 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: That's the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories in general.  Even the most well-meaning person who repeats them believing it's a service is ultimately just spreading ideas full of fear and negativity.  After all, those who profit from fear also profit from being feared.  Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent.  After all, the ultimate message here is basically "The world is controlled by an evil which is so deeply entrenched and widespread in reach no one could reasonably hope to uproot it."  I have a hard time imagining a more potent message for increasing paranoia and distrust in people, whether it's true or not.

You are, I believe, mistaken.
Your instict instructs you to ignore or block out these unimaginable things. These terrors. However, the higher you progress, the purer your vibration, the more you will see them to be real, actual elements of our society. This prompts acceptance. 
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.

Funny.  You couldn't even discuss the subject for a single paragraph without throwing in an insinuation that someone is "out to get me."  And yet you wonder why I regard such materials as merely being instruments to create needless paranoia?

It's true that acceptance of darker realities is one element of higher levels of awareness... but A)that doesn't necessarily mean believing in Dan Brown-level bad writing, and B)it doesn't do a thing to help the vast majority of less-enlightened people who read those sorts of materials and start jumping at shadows due to them.  I've seen people reduced to nervous wrecks, alienating all their friends and family, because they've become so convinced some conspiracy is out to "get" them.

But the real conspiracy is almost certainly only one to trick them into "getting" themselves.  Like Sun Tzu said, the best way to win a battle is to never fight it at all.  Merely trick your enemy into destroying himself instead.  After all, just turn things around.  Imagine YOU are a dark person in a position of power.  Wouldn't you want your perceived impact to be magnified?  Wouldn't you want to appear more fearsome than you really are?  Wouldn't you want people to be terrified of you, rather than only being concerned?  Wouldn't you want people to believe you're so powerful you must be reckoned with...  even if it wasn't actually the case?  

Or especially if it wasn't actually the case?   Wouldn't such a dark person be most afraid of being ignored?

An advanced positive person is humble.  An advanced negative would be the opposite.  They're going to understand just what a powerful tool fear is, and would do anything to increase that fear.  As far as that goes, spreading hyperbolic fearmongering propaganda is child's play, particularly because so many people eagerly eat it up and then regurgitate it for others.

In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.

(09-09-2016, 02:51 PM)Ashim Wrote: The "out to get you" thing was a joke. Sorry you missed it.
Fact is, the dark elements must not be overcome. That's your misunderstanding.
Darkness, the shadow self, must be integrated.
Mucho más diferente

(09-09-2016, 02:27 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.

(09-09-2016, 03:22 PM)Glow Wrote: I think we likely are all to react in a different way. I've know some people through my business that are "old blood lines" they have confirmed a lot of the control those few families have.

Quote:Not sure fear mongering is ideal but at least people will start questioning things, maybe be less easily led. That seems ok to me.

(09-09-2016, 03:21 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 02:51 PM)Ashim Wrote: The "out to get you" thing was a joke. Sorry you missed it.
Fact is, the dark elements must not be overcome. That's your misunderstanding.
Darkness, the shadow self, must be integrated.
Mucho más diferente

So...  you "integrate" conspiracy theories by helping disseminate them, whether they're true or not?  

Well, it's your choice, but I tend to think that negative entities can fend for themselves and don't need much extra help.  I'm more concerned about the damage such tall tales do to the unwary and the unprepared.  Accepting that dark elements unavoidably exist doesn't necessarily mean disregarding the pain they can cause.  

(BTW, you appear to have misunderstood what you believe to be my misunderstanding.  I said nothing about "overcoming" the dark elements; I was speaking to how to avoid unknowingly aiding them.  Ignoring the darkness doesn't make it go away, but can deny it additional power.)

(09-09-2016, 03:36 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: OK, I rarely pull this particular rhetorical stunt, but I'm a bit incredulous that you said THIS:

(09-09-2016, 03:22 PM)Glow Wrote: I think we likely are all to react in a different way. I've know some people through my business that are "old blood lines" they have confirmed a lot of the control those few families have.

...and yet wrapped up with:

Quote:Not sure fear mongering is ideal but at least people will start questioning things, maybe be less easily led. That seems ok to me.

So I'm just going to ask...  Why exactly did you believe these people when they told you they were from incredibly powerful families that control the world?  Why was this not one of the things you questioned so that you would not be easily led?

Besides which...  even then, the amount of power those at the very top have over those at the lower levels is limited at best.  Sure, I have no doubt there are families who get to do things like influence which banks are lending to which governments and games like that.  But at the ground level, this is all largely abstract stuff that has very little direct impact on day-to-day commonplace life.  At least, not unless a person believes those families have huge power over them, at which point the amount of power they gain is exactly the amount of power that person gives up via their fear.

(09-09-2016, 04:10 PM)Ashim Wrote: Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

(09-09-2016, 04:11 PM)Glow Wrote: Green peace were basically environmental terrorists but no one was listening now the pendulum has swung back to the middle.

Hippies did the same for our value system that catered to only white upper class men.

I'm tired after a long day but I'm sure you can come up with other examples where extremes brought awareness to a situation that needed attention but not to the degree the extremist went.
I see this the same way.

(09-09-2016, 04:43 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 04:10 PM)Ashim Wrote: Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly?  Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote.  "Promptly have a panic attack?"  Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said.  Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either.  That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard.  The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light.  Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities.  But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

(09-09-2016, 05:14 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 04:43 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 04:10 PM)Ashim Wrote: Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly?  Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote.  "Promptly have a panic attack?"  Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said.  Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either.  That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard.  The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light.  Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities.  But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

I never called you silly. You were quick to edit that. Well done.

(09-09-2016, 05:34 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 05:14 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 04:43 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 04:10 PM)Ashim Wrote: Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly?  Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote.  "Promptly have a panic attack?"  Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said.  Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either.  That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard.  The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light.  Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities.  But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

I never called you silly. You were quick to edit that. Well done.

Wow man.  Just wow.  You literally told me "Stop being silly."  I mean, it's even right there in the quoted section at the top of your reply!  I can't begin to imagine what you think this denial accomplishes when it's self-evidently untrue.  

But whatever.   I'm going to bed.

(09-09-2016, 04:03 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Sure, Minyatur...  but we also have the Free Will to examine these scenarios and then decide for ourselves what contributions to make or not make to them.  

It's all well and good to recognize in the abstract that life is a stage and we're but players on it.  In that respect, I heartily agree...  but each person's role is their own, and what they choose to contribute to that play is entirely up to them.  I reject the idea that merely observing these things absolves me of the responsibility of participation.   As Rush famously said, if I choose not to decide I still have made a choice.  I AM here.  I AM participating.

If I hadn't wanted to participate, I could have either not incarnated or just found a calmer planet to live on.

And while it's probably true that there are some who are fundamentally drawn towards negativity and use self-induced fear as their gateway to self-love, so to speak...  I still choose to participate by pointing out the power dynamics involved and possibly helping to clarify the ramifications of the choices made when someone decides to play along with such theatrics.  If someone is going to be drawn towards the darkness, they could potentially at least realize what path they're going down before it becomes too late for them to choose to turn around without a lot of time and healing involved.

The best choices are those made with the fullest amount of information about that choice, at least imo.

(09-09-2016, 04:59 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 04:11 PM)Glow Wrote: Green peace were basically environmental terrorists but no one was listening now the pendulum has swung back to the middle.

Hippies did the same for our value system that catered to only white upper class men.

I'm tired after a long day but I'm sure you can come up with other examples where extremes brought awareness to a situation that needed attention but not to the degree the extremist went.
I see this the same way.

The difference is, very few people are likely to destroy their lives and alienate all their friends and family from sheer paranoia, by being hippies smoking pot and enjoying free love.  Conspiracy theories are very much a "playing with fire" situation, and it's very easy for people to get burned.  
 
I also think you're giving Greenpeace a lot more credit than they're necessarily due.  I'd wager Star Trek is ultimately far more responsible for the public at large becoming concerned with oceanic issues last generation than anything Greenpeace did.   Which is the issue with Hollywood and the media.  Sometimes they use their power responsibly, other times they don't.

Sure, it would be good if people on Facebook were less credulous and didn't blindly follow every trend that came along.  But conspiracy theories just represent a different control system, and end up resulting in people like Alex Jones who are just as manipulative as the system they claim to fight.  And in the meantime, for most people, if they weren't repeating gossip from TmZ, they'd be repeating gossip about their neighbors instead.  It's a rather basic human trait that's been with us all of recorded history, and it wouldn't go away just because certain power structures vanished.  Another extremely similar power structure would simply fill the vacuum left behind.

Most people are just fundamentally clannish, and there's always going to be something in life enabling such behavior.  At least as long as people are living in 3D.  

(And without outright defending the more noxious elements of the media, I'd suggest that the pacification effect it has is not entirely a bad thing.  After all, there are far fewer wars in the world right now than pretty much any other time in history, and fewer violent crimes are being committed in most "westernized" countries than ever before as well.  TV, as Howard Beale said, is in the boredom-killing business - and less boredom seems to also result in less people doing bad things to each other.  If such a power structure were to go away, it would be very easy for a more openly harmful one to take its place.)

(09-09-2016, 02:27 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: ...
In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.