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RE: 10 Specific Questions - anagogy - 08-12-2016 Both positivity and negativity are the result of a split in perception between self and others. In fact, they ARE this split itself. As long as there is self, and others in relation to that self, there is a spiritual charge to that relationship. The spiritual charge of positivity towards others is one of assisting and accepting others, whereas the spiritual charge of negativity towards others is one of manipulation and rejection. A positive entity does not accept all others and a negative entity does not reject all others because the charges are not absolutely pure, nor can they be. As Ra has stated, there are things the positives cannot accept, just as there are things the negatives cannot control. When polarity is dissolved in sixth density it is only because there is no longer a relationship between self and others. When there is no self and others, there is just the creator, or the ONE. But how do they join together? At the early sixth density, both groups of consciousness are engaging in their charged behavioral patterns. The positives are busy doing their accepting and loving, and the negatives are busy doing their rejecting and controlling. The positives don't stop accepting and loving, it is the negatives that finally give up on rejecting and controlling, because they cannot approach oneness any further along the negative path. That is why Ra states the negative do an instantaneous switch to positive at this point due to the spiritual entropy, or resistance to unity, becoming too great. However, the moment they join with the positives, the positive polarity disappears as well because both charges are dependent on a perception of "others" which is now no longer an apparent reality. While Ra doesn't explicitly say it, I suspect the positive is also barred from progressing towards the seventh density at this point, also, due to not being able to integrate the negatives. However, they are perfectly content to wait, with infinite patience, till the end of time in their positivity and the negatives know they aren't going to abandon positive polarity and switch over to negative no matter what, so the negative polarity basically says screw it and gives in to the tug of war, and switches over to positive, neutralizing the concept of polarity altogether, finally allowing the now purely unified consciousness to move into the gateway density. As for the higher self, I still believe it be of an essentially positive nature since it does not engage in rejection or manipulation as far as I'm aware, and to the best of my knowledge still has a relationship between self and others. I say this accepting that the relationship with its past self is solely a relationship with self. But personally, I don't believe that is the ONLY relationship it engages in. Thus, in all likelihood, it still has interactions with other entities it perceives as other selves as well, and it is my belief that these relationships are positive in nature. RE: 10 Specific Questions - WanderingOZ - 08-13-2016 So i can presume that once a entity reaches a certain density it has experienced both polarities? Allso I'm starting to think that our creator is inclined to be STS. If thats possible. Not that it matters to the way I think or do things. I could elaborate but I think I should run it by Austin in a private email before I would post such things. I'm not trying to throw a spanner ine the pie. I like to mull things over in my mind before I decide things and I'm not getting any input from "above" as they say . Please don't think I'm being disrespectful. WanderingOZ RE: 10 Specific Questions - APeacefulWarrior - 08-13-2016 (08-12-2016, 04:55 PM)ricdaw Wrote: Would abandonment/unification of polarity be akin to moving from doing (service is an activity) to just being? Not necessarily dwelling in bliss, but doing no "work"? Heh. This basically amounts to asking what 7D is like, which Ra said very little about. In broad strokes, though, I would tend to think the answer is yes. In contemplating what 7D might be, I think it would make sense if it's effectively about learning true selflessness and becoming One with ever-greater portions of the lower densities but without imposing (m)any willful actions upon them. Ra said (16.22): "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." Yet, early 7D apparently does not mean COMPLETE abandonment of self-ness, given his description of how the Oversoul is made (37.6): "The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time." But yeah, broadly, I think 7D is about entirely abandoning the distortion of independent self-ness and preparing to fully embrace/become the Creator. (And just as an aside, I enjoy how the causality behind all this late-density development is so screwy from our POV that, at one point, further progression requires direct intervention from a "future" self to get oneself to move past the bounds of conventional continuity. ) RE: 10 Specific Questions - Bourbon Betty - 08-13-2016 (06-18-2016, 03:29 AM)SilentRey Wrote: Hi all, I'm new here. Just finished the first book of the Ra Material, four to go. I have 10 questions that I'm having trouble finding the answers for by keyword searching, so I think it may be easier to ask them to this forum No probs, most of the members are on extended leave, we've got nothing more important going on, that answering your questions. Quote:1. Are the Orion group's UFOs physical vehicles, like spacecraft, or thought-form "illusions" that aren't physical? As in, could an Orion group UFO crash and have its physical parts scattered about? Yes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5XOIMs6D0 However shooting down a gold ship the size of Jupiter maybe a bit of work. Quote:2. Do higher-density beings exist within higher dimensions? This also goes along with the question of: what is the reason behind higher-density beings being able to hide themselves or make themselves visible to us 3rd-density beings? (Could you explain that a bit?) I can feel your contentment at this being answered by yourself already. Quote:3. What are the specific goals/lessons to be learned of each individual density? Grandly speaking, 0 is about why one moon orbits, 1 is integrating that orbitting moon, 2 is realizing the universe inside and outside is the same, 3 is ... well ... 3 is, 4th is omnipotency that voluntarily creates an omnipotent being that it can never destroy, 5th is .. Ha .., 6th is have you ever tried to ask your pizza for help. Quote:4. Ra mentions that there are 1-8 densities and that these make up an "octave" of densities. Does this mean there are higher "octaves" of densities with even further spiritual growth? I thought I read that in the 8th density you reunite/become the creator, so is this incorrect or does this mean each "octave" of densities is like a cycle of breaking down into many-ness from the initial creator then coming back together as the creator and/or becoming the creator. Does this mean that the creator multiplies or just repeats the cycle endlessly? Best way I can describe this is that you form a plane and once you're sure that you've advanced far enough into one direction you "Make a 90' turn" and start at some point in the line and go sideways that crossing point is the center of the octave and the outer edge of that plane is the edge of the octave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXfE2NMVl4 That is an octave, and so that things dont get too depressing, here are some words of comfort; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtu6ZFBuNZE . Quote:5. At what density is it impossible to proceed as a service-to-self entity? Or is it possible to fully procede down the path towards intelligent infinity as either service-to-self or service-to-others? Logically some point between being born and realizing you were the reason you were born one generally speaking considers the life which was born to have ended. Thats an octave. Quote:6. Does service-to-self require intentionally harming other people to please yourself, or does it just require not helping other people? For example: I'm the kind of person that is selfish in the sense that I focus on my wants/needs above others, but I don't intentionally harm other people and I wouldn't harm others to satisfy myself. I just wouldn't help others if it doesn't satisfy me. Would that make me service-to-self oriented? Or more neutrally-oriented which ultimate doesn't help our collective spiritual progress? It can perhaps be best described as ignoring other people until they die. Harming someone causes them movement and at the end of the time takes more effort to stop. It would make a you a harvest candidate, meaning you may soon be placed into a situation where your selfishness maybe tested by or against infinite love. Generally speaking, there are 2 ways to approach an infinite universe, try to control everything and become opposite of that which you were when born, or decide that half of the universe can never be touched and focus on the half that can. Former is STS and latter is STO and STO usually speaking hurts tremendously more than STS. Considering if you ask a random stranger for help and they always ignore you, compared to if you ask a random stranger for help and they always punch you. After a while that punch feels quite good. Quote:7. Is the Orion group intentionally attempting to help us in our spiritual evolution (through reinforcing/encouraging negative polarization) or are they only attempting to help themselves? Whereas the Confederation is intentionally trying to help us, which ultimately helps their spiritual evolution also, correct? They are trying to help us move at light speed in their vision which would mean no motion in our vision, considering our vision overlaps at least half, its up to you. Quote:8. Does scientific determinism conflict with the Free Will found within the Law of One? Or is it that our souls/entities truly do have free will in higher densities/between incarnations but our human bodies/catalysts truly don't have free will? So it's just an illusion of free will during our human incarnations? WE do not have free will, we are imbued with it when we make a choice. Quote:9. Is the "soul" incarnated in a person reflected in the person's personality? Or, I mean, could a soul be incarnated into an extremely positively oriented human and then in the next incarnation be incarnated into an extremely negatively oriented human? Or, is it the souls that are oriented as such and not the individual human personalities? Have you heard of our lord and savior, Amoeba? Quote:10. Let's say I became a celebrity and had a platform to "preach" or encourage millions of people to read the Law of One, and/or tried to convince people of its validity through logic. Would that be counter-intuitive to the purpose of the Ra Material? Is it better to keep it out of the mainstream so that the people who are meant to find it, and want to find it, find it? And so those who aren't meant to find it don't misinterpret? I wouldn't be proving the Law of One as absolute verifiable truth in this position, just spreading awareness of its existence to the general public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFuaYA-daw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijvTiDnWJLE Would you like to know more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BaqXwVaYlc Quote:I know these are kinda complex questions so I thank you for your answers in advance! I know these are soft words so I mocked you in advance, you got 3rd place in interim medium-heavy weight belts. May you walk well friendly STS. Addennum; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGtCDLN7UE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEU-x2lEOk want to take a gander at how much gold in that there is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLI-VugvgE RE: 10 Specific Questions - APeacefulWarrior - 08-13-2016 (08-13-2016, 01:27 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: So i can presume that once a entity reaches a certain density it has experienced both polarities? It's not disrespectful to contemplate such things. Such are the mysteries of Creation. They exist to be pondered. But I do think that it wouldn't be correct to apply the concept of STO/STS to the Creator, simply because it's both. I see where you're coming from here, that it seems like all its efforts are being self-focused, in that all of Creation is "inside" the Creator. But that is only part of the grand scheme. We know from Ra that there is more to existence than just our Octave. His very brief comments about there being entities called "light bringers" who exist beyond the Octave make it virtually assured that, on a big enough scale, our Creator is NOT truly all that there is. Whether this means there are a multiplicity of Creators, each "god" of its own selfverse, or something even stranger, the point is that our Creator must have "outside" interactions with... something. Likewise, I tend to think that from the POV of the Creator's consciousness that everything happening in the lower densities could be roughly called its past, as it is the combined final result of everything its creations do/did/will have done. We are the Creator remembering its own development, so to speak. And what is the Creator concerned with outside of itself? God only knows. RE: 10 Specific Questions - Patrick - 08-13-2016 (08-13-2016, 01:27 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: ... Yes the Creator IS inclined to be STS, but not just STS. As soon as STS became a possibility, the Creator started to explore it. The Creator wishes to experience all things. It would seem that only a small part of the Creator is needed to explore all that the STS path can offer however, because those walking the STS path are only a small minority. That said, this small minority affects greatly the experience of the majority. So the exploration of STS includes the effects it has on those walking the STO path. Before STS became a possibility, entities in 3d still had to learn the lessons of love, but took much longer to do so. Indeed, 3d was the longest experience within this octave. But now with STS being active, 3d has become the shortest experience of this octave. STS providing extremely efficient catalysts for learning the lessons of love in 3d. RE: 10 Specific Questions - anagogy - 08-13-2016 (08-13-2016, 01:27 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: So i can presume that once a entity reaches a certain density it has experienced both polarities? You aren't being disrespectful. Most of the people on this forum are extremely open minded and have very little in the way of dogma that cannot be questioned. However, some food for thought: When you say "STS" you are talking about polarity. Polarity, as I said in my last post in this thread, is a relationship between self and others. Negative polarity involves the control of others by said self. To control others amounts to a form of rejection of the way others naturally are lest there would be no need to control or impose order among them. The creator is neither STS nor STO because there is no relationship with others. When "self" and "others" have collapsed into the same singularity, you have no polarity. But if anything, if there was a bias, I would say the creator has a bias towards STO. I say that because according to the Ra material, STS was not even seen as a possibility for a long time. All early pre veil civilizations were STO, without exception. It was only after much experimentation that the possibilities of illusory separation became an apparently explorable option. RE: 10 Specific Questions - WanderingOZ - 08-13-2016 Thanks you guys, your replies have given me a different perspective to think about. Allthough I'm stil having trouble wondering how much suffering does our creator/self need to get to understand what it's like. I can't help feeling the pain of all the people in 3D. I'm just don't get it. But maybe I'm not supposed to or ready to, just yet. Walk well all WanderingOZ RE: 10 Specific Questions - Jade - 08-13-2016 (08-12-2016, 05:47 PM)anagogy Wrote: Both positivity and negativity are the result of a split in perception between self and others. In fact, they ARE this split itself. This is great! To build on it, I think the reason that a positive entity will wait eternally and the negative must be the one to switch, is that the key motivation lies in power. A negative entity can no longer gain power along its path without unifying, and the whole path has been about gaining power. Finally, in 6th density, when "power" and "unity" combine, we can all enjoy the same things again. RE: 10 Specific Questions - Patrick - 08-13-2016 (08-13-2016, 10:01 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Thanks you guys, your replies have given me a different perspective to think about. Allthough I'm stil having trouble wondering how much suffering does our creator/self need to get to understand what it's like. I can't help feeling the pain of all the people in 3D. I'm just don't get it. But maybe I'm not supposed to or ready to, just yet. As long as at least one entity can make use of the catalysts that STS offers, STS will continue. So that's pretty much until the end of this universe. But really, here is how you can experience this negativity within the awareness of love: http://archives.deepspring.org/Aaron/Special/Interfaith/081018AJAaronC.php Quote:...When negative thought arises, be aware of negative thought. When the body aches, bring kind awareness to the aching body. That which is aware of anger is not angry. Think about what I've said. That which is aware of anger is not angry. That which is aware of fear is not afraid. You take care of the anger, you take care of the fear, take care of the pain, sorrow and confusion, from this centered place of love... Observe the pain of all the people in 3d, be aware of it, and let your point of view expand beyond it. Quote:...In this way, you allow yourself to be the bigger container that you already are. Not to experience yourself as limited but to know the enormity of this container, which is still experiencing that same emotional or physical pain, but now experiencing within a bigger container. It changes the nature of the pain and also, one has space to discern that the pain that arises in the mind and body are impermanent, and will change. When you are not holding it so tight, it has a chance to dissolve. But if you keep holding it and tinkering with it, it is like a scab that you keep scratching. You scratch it off, it bleeds, it forms a new scab, and you scratch it off again, until you are scarred. You just keep giving energy to that difficult body or mind experience and it perpetuates it. My pain. Grasping and contraction perpetuate the sense of a self and it give more energy to the pain or the scarcity or lack... Quote:...Your work as a human is to stay as connected as you can to the pain in the world but not from a place of fear, from a place of love; to hold that space, literally to be a bridge that connects earth and heaven so that you may walk freely about the stage knowing the joy of your being, knowing the enormity of your being, with deep respect for each other person's being, with joy, with love. To know the fullness of who you are... RE: 10 Specific Questions - anagogy - 08-13-2016 (08-13-2016, 10:29 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: This is great! To build on it, I think the reason that a positive entity will wait eternally and the negative must be the one to switch, is that the key motivation lies in power. A negative entity can no longer gain power along its path without unifying, and the whole path has been about gaining power. Finally, in 6th density, when "power" and "unity" combine, we can all enjoy the same things again. Yes, I agree completely. Although I didn't get around to it, I also wanted to state in my original post the reasons why negative beings cannot express the unity of sixth density. For that, we have to picture the climate of the sixth density. In every other density, while there is always some measure or expression of unity in some sense, no matter how small, there is also the complementary analog manifestation of individuality, or separation, or what we might call the "egoic circumstance". In the 4th density there is a social memory complex, or "societal self", and in 5th density there is also this societal or amalgamated self (though here apparently one does not have to participate in it if is not desired), but the 6th density is the density or cycle of unity. It is the place where the individuated self is, more or less, abandoned for good in favor of the massively encompassing super ego of the societal self. Individuated beings are literally fusing themselves together in perfect oneness to form a super entity, a singular mind/body/spirit, such as Ra for example. The negative entity values individuality above all else -- that is their holiest of holies. Their god is the carnal individuated ego, which they separate as purely as possible from all else, and then attempt to maximize its influence or power over all else. In their eyes, that is where they most strongly see and worship the creator. Nevertheless, they still attempt to approach the power of the one infinite creator from this angle, while maintaining the tricky balancing act of keeping their separated egos intact while attempting to command the tidal forces of creation itself, in order to purely control all that is seen as not self. So they too, approach unity, but for entirely different motivations than positive beings. So it is little surprise that no self respecting STS entity is willing to give up even a small part of their most holy individuality, even in order to merge with others of similar negative thought, intent, and perspective. As you said, when the only way to increase their power further is to unify, they are basically barred from further development since they cannot maintain the egoic structure along such a path. Plus the fact of the inherent disharmony present in the thoughtform of separation from otherselves, which ultimately prevents the level of cooperation and harmony necessary to form such a super being, like Ra. Frankly, I'm relieved that natural mechanisms in the universe (spiritual entropy) prevent negatives from getting their s*** together enough to form such a unified social memory complex, like Ra. I mean, can you imagine such a being? It would literally be a kind of dark god, with zero empathy, maximal power, and the collective lust for all things STS of an entire race of beings. It would be truly frightening to behold the kind of suffering such a being could inflict upon others. I shudder at the thought. If there were such a thing as the devil, that thing would be it. Thankfully, we don't have to worry about that. RE: 10 Specific Questions - unir 1 - 08-15-2016 (08-05-2016, 12:58 AM)SilentRey Wrote: Thank you for your time and effort unir, I love your perspective on these things. Very well thought out. One clarification though, if I may.. Forgive me. There's been a miscommunication. In my own words which you have quoted, I've said: "The soul or spirit does not make the pre-incarnative choices." This was not to say that pre-incarnative choices are not made. If you would refer to my post prior to that one, I state the opposite. What that quote is saying is that there is no "soul" or "spirit" entity making choices. It is you making these choices in your other-than-third-density-body form. Again, forgive me for the misunderstanding and forgive me* for not returning to this earlier. *To avoid another misunderstanding: I don't really ask that you forgive me, I say "forgive me" as a phrase to communicate feelings that arise from seeing a present or incoming inconvenience I've left for you and any other readers. It's my understanding that there will be pre-incarnative choices. My understanding of the reincarnation, dying, and afterlife process come from these answers from Ra: Quote:47.15 Questioner: What does the large percentage of the Earth’s population, as they pass from the physical, activate? Generally, the place in which the after-life "occurs" is the inner planes of third-density, otherwise referred to as time/space.... Quote:21.7 Questioner: Were there any of these entities then incarnated in second density before the 75,000-year cycle? and the metaphysical planes... Quote:74.12 Questioner: You stated that a working of service to others has the potential of alerting a great mass of light strength. Could you describe just exactly how this works and what the uses of this would be? and for an example, Aleister Crowley was one person who was noted as having needed healing in the inner planes, presumably after his death (the third-density entities of another planet, which is now gone, also had to go to the inner planes; victims of the atomic bombing on Japan also had to be healed of their great trauma of destruction, were somehow...sent? to the heavenly inner planes, *this link* is a good short read within the 26th Ra session, on the matter). The after-life seems to be for review, healing, and planning a reincarnation or setting one up. But the last of the 47th session and a couple Q&A's of the 48th session are the only ones I've recently read about, and remember, regarding what happens in the afterlife. Here's a one quote, very trimmed as it speaks to a relatively great length: [/url] Quote:48.7 Ra: I am Ra. [...] The entity, before incarnation, dwells in the appropriate, shall we say, place in time/space. The true color type of this location will be dependent upon the entity’s needs. Those entities, for instance which, being Wanderers, have the green, blue, or indigo true-color core of mind/body/spirit complex will have rested therein. It is my understanding that before an incarnation, the human-to-be -- that is, the mind/body/spirit complex in whatever form it is in -- will be upon an inner plane. There are infinite inner planes (17.36, 17.38), and these are distinguished as sub-densities....octaves within the third-density, so seven planes or sub-densities for our third-density...again, they are inner planes...and those sub-densities have their own sub-densities, and so on and so forth ad infinitum. As Ra states in 17.36, an entity resides in that plane which is proper for the entity's "vibrational nature". So I've gone on to believe that an entity, being so unique, will be within an inner plane which is both appropriate for the indigo-ray energy body, or the form-maker body which is activated after death,a dn appropriate for the vibration of the entity. But I understand that there are "angelic" entities who guard both the after-life and incarnational process. Quote:[url=http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=48]48.8 Questioner: Who shall we say supervises the determination of further incarnation needs and sets up the seniority list, shall I say, for incarnation? So to recap, my understanding comes from the Ra Material. My understanding of the inner planes may be inaccurate. I haven't read all the posts here since my last post which was in late July. I''ll probably be back later to read and revise my two old posts here. Sorry again, I've been busy in another thread and if my post covers something already stated by another member then...okay, my bad |