(10-26-2015, 12:13 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Yet there is no taught way to meditate or information in depth on different types of meditation beyond a few paragraphs that I've found.

I think of catalyst as 'life occurrences', each lasts as long as the occurrence exists inside of you.

Its why childhood effects adulthood.  If that childhood catalyst isn't dealt with, adulthood suffers for it sometimes.

Quote:I am Hatonn. I greet you in the love and the light of our infinite Creator. It is a great privilege to speak with this group once more. I and my brother Laitos are here. We shall condition each member of this group who desires our conditioning. You will feel our presence.

I am aware of a question. I will attempt to speak through this instrument to answer the question which has been asked. There are many ways to meditate. There is, however, only one true form of meditation. It is necessary, if meditation is to be effective, that the intellectual mind be allowed to cease functioning, for this acts as a type of interference to realizing and understanding that is within all beings. In order to do this it is necessary to learn how. There are many, many techniques employed in this practice. It is extremely simple for those who have mastered it and seemingly very difficult for those who are still attempting to master it.
There are certain necessary steps if one is to rapidly master this process. It is necessary, it seems, for the individual to be in an atmosphere free from outside distractions. This is of great aid in initially attempting to master the art of meditation. It is also necessary that the individual maintain a posture in which the spine is approximately vertical. The body should be comfortable, but not relaxed in a position so that the spine is not vertical. This, perhaps, is the most important aspect in mastering the art of meditation: that the spine be maintained in a vertical position. Once a comfortable position has been assumed with an erect position of the spine, it is then necessary that the mind be allowed to slowly discontinue its thoughts. This may be done by focusing the thought upon one object, or upon the center of the forehead, or by simply allowing intellectual thoughts to leave the mind.
As this process continues, there will be a cessation slowly of the awareness of the physical body. This state should be maintained for a reasonable period of time. This period of time is dependent upon the desire of the individual performing the meditation. However, the benefits of meditation will become obvious to the practitioner and therefore his length of meditation will depend completely upon his own desires.

(10-20-2015, 10:05 AM)zvonimir Wrote: to know thyself you'll need this:

1. faith in believeing that "All is well"

2. seroius or deep doubt about it ( why is there greed or conflict etc..) strength of doubt is in proportion of your own fait (a measuring stick )

3. Determination (from doubt strong determination arises)

if no determination arises in us to resolve the obvious contradiction between what we believe as a matter of faith ( All is well) and what appears to us to be just the reverse (greed,conflicts..) thus  we deprived ourselves of its prime source of power.

I am not a man of many words ,neither have i found yet what we all are looking for ,maybe just made a few steps for now..

(01-06-2018, 04:51 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:

(10-20-2015, 10:05 AM)zvonimir Wrote: to know thyself you'll need this:

1. faith in believeing that "All is well"

2. seroius or deep doubt about it ( why is there greed or conflict etc..) strength of doubt is in proportion of your own fait (a measuring stick )

3. Determination (from doubt strong determination arises)

if no determination arises in us to resolve the obvious contradiction between what we believe as a matter of faith ( All is well) and what appears to us to be just the reverse (greed,conflicts..) thus  we deprived ourselves of its prime source of power.

I am not a man of many words ,neither have i found yet what we all are looking for ,maybe just made a few steps for now..

Number 2...

That's terrifying to think about.  My doubt of God/Creator is nonexistent, however, that All is Well, is a different story.

Just, if this is true, I'm OUUUUT THEEERREE in some no man's land because All is Well is what I'm hung up on, what I struggle with.  How is all well when so much is happening that isn't well in a perspective?

In retrospect, this means my faith is solid as diamond, my doubt is overwhelming, I believe all will be well, but right now, all isn't well, I can't deny it or fight it or pretend, all is not well.

Even if all is well on the flipside, this side all is getting blown up, destitute, povertystricken, there's a good deal of wellness, but there's so much unwellness.

Ah...  I hope this is true, if it is, I don't have to worry, all my worry is just distortions I'm exploring because I'm (what...?) Powerful enough to handle them?  Or is it wise enough to work with them?  Loving enough?

I can't believe this all once made perfect sense to me and now I struggle with basic paradoxical equalities.  Piercing that veil makes a crazy world of difference (pun intended).

Thank you also to everyone else (and especially Jade's precision point helpfulness) and thank you past me, for making this thread.

You're still angry two years later.  That's how I know I care way too much...

(01-07-2018, 06:53 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: The most profound thing that 'touching' Love taught me was beyond words.

All I could sum it up as was

Love = Infinity = The Moment

For a discovery of infinity, it was ironically very ephemeral...  The paradoxical nature of The Moment I suppose.  For eternity, it's oddly... Ephemeral in being experience by...

Us humans.

(01-07-2018, 11:32 AM)Elros Wrote:

(01-07-2018, 06:53 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: The most profound thing that 'touching' Love taught me was beyond words.

All I could sum it up as was

Love = Infinity = The Moment

For a discovery of infinity, it was ironically very ephemeral...  The paradoxical nature of The Moment I suppose.  For eternity, it's oddly... Ephemeral in being experience by...

Us humans.

Well you're still in that moment, what was ephemeral was your focus on its deeper nature.

Usually it's easier the first time because it may have been an initiatory experience. Now that you know it's there, you can align with it by will, or you can make the choice not to, but for each of your thoughts and impressions you now know the contrast of seeing love of unity vs choosing to see separation.