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RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - Minyatur - 09-20-2015
I think effiency is a tricky term. Effiency of what? If it is the working for others, in my view non-incarnated work would've been much more efficient. One could be fully aware of every suffering he desires and offer to tend to those who accept the service.
Being incarnated is a focus on self that works self. Then, effiency could be seen in the working of personal evolution but evolution comes through lessons and lessons cannot be forced. The times these lessons are learned are like fixed points of one's fate, we all explore a pathway through every lessons within the exploration of all infinite pathways.
From my personal experience there are many ways that one can use to accelerate his lower-self's growth and become more efficient. But to me they always felt like they came at the price of sacrificing in this time a moment that a lesson could have been learnt, as the easy way was taken in rediscovering self in a most likely attempt to break one's programmation. As such, work on others become more efficient at the price of work on self, while a greater work on self could possibly provide the ability to then offer at a later time greater work on others.
As such in my view, effiency can only be brought up so that one can contemplate the concept for himself. Effiency then is personal of what is explored by self and only works as a tool for self to judge self. Behind every of our actions, whether efficient or not, there is infinite undistorted love.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - Plenum - 09-20-2015
the thing is, efficiency may be referencing an aspect of technique. Technique is something which allows one to develop more reliable outcomes, and is essentially synonymous with 'skillfulness' in Buddhist literature.
Technique is not to be valued in and of itself; as perhaps the OP has suggested. Technique is a means, something to be deployed.
Or to reference a Ra quote:
Don's question seems to be pointing at efficiency of polarization, that is, the technique:
Quote:52.11 Questioner: Thank you. Just a little point that was bothering me of no real importance.
Well, is there then, from the point of view of an individual who wishes to follow the service-to-others path from our present position in third density, is there anything of importance other than disciplines of personality, knowledge of self, and strengthening of will?
Ra then gives an eloquent answer, which seems to deflate the inherent assumptions implied in the question that was posed. The crux of the insight is in the last line.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is technique. This is not the heart. Let us examine the heart of evolution.
Let us remember that we are all one. This is the great learning/teaching. In this unity lies love. This is a great learn/teaching. In this unity lies light. This is the fundamental teaching of all planes of existence in materialization. Unity, love, light, and joy; this is the heart of evolution of the spirit.
The second-ranking lessons are learn/taught in meditation and in service. At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that the techniques you have mentioned become quite significant.
However, the universe, its mystery unbroken, is one.
Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - Jade - 09-20-2015
Quote:90.16 Questioner: What was the ultimate objective of this Logos in designing the archetypical mind as It did?
Ra: I am Ra. Each Logos desires to create a more eloquent expression of experience of the Creator by the Creator. The archetypical mind is intended to heighten this ability to express the Creator in patterns more like the fanned peacock’s tail, each facet of the Creator vivid, upright, and shining with articulated beauty.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - tamaryn - 09-21-2015
Efficiency of heart activation?
Efficiency in swaying toward the idea of letting go?
Maybe these ideas of our ancestors are in our soul.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - Diana - 09-21-2015
(09-10-2015, 01:57 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: You know, this points at a question that's been bothering me for some time, even though it's one I know can't possibly be answered by us. But still, it nags me:
Is the Creator affected by entropy?
Entropy is a linear concept. It goes one way toward chaos, disorder.
One can extrapolate from there. Where there is disorder in 3D, there may be seen to be order in 4D or vice versa. In a 4D realm there are connections that can't be seen in 3D. And the other way: Think of a neat, orderly cube. Then think of a hypercube (tesseract)—messy, changeable, like an Esher drawing.
Another idea is that things must break down before new things are formed. The Creator may have split itself/manifested parts of itself to experience itself. So first, entropy would be effective in dispersing the parts everywhere with no plan other than to experience (parts splitting and forgetting and splitting and dispersing). But those parts have a magnetic connection, however forgotten or deeply hidden, to the source, and will eventually find their way back, so the appearance of entropy would turn at some point, and order would begin to reform out of the disorder.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - spero - 09-23-2015
The desire of the logoi to be more efficient is an interesting one. We often look at ourselves as sub sub logoi as soverign independent entities but as sub sub logoi our spiritual efficiency must bear or lend some success to our corresponding logoi and sub logoi. Its hard to fathom what the motivating factor or drive in the evolution of intelligences that shape galaxies might be. Perhaps every time the creation begins anew the more efficient logos gets more perks or sway in the new universe. As an end game motivator for the drive toward spiritual efficiency it could just be an angst filled desire for the logoi to retun to the creator since there seems to be a spritual gravity threshold that brings about the joyous apocalypse. Reminds me of convergence and dead space lol.
Quote:29.18 Questioner: I sometimes have difficulty in getting, you might say, a foothold into what I am looking for in trying to seek out the metaphysical principles, you might say, behind our physical illusion.
Could you give me an example of the amount of gravity in the third density conditions at the surface of the planet Venus? Would it be greater or less than Earth?
Ra: I am Ra. The gravity, shall we say, the attractive force which we also describe as the pressing outward force towards the Creator is greater spiritually upon the entity you call Venus due to the greater degree of success, shall we say, at seeking the Creator.
This point only becomes important when you consider that when all of creation in its infinity has reached a spiritual gravitational mass of sufficient nature, the entire creation infinitely coalesces; the light seeking and finding its source and thusly ending the creation and beginning a new creation much as you consider the black hole, as you call it, with its conditions of infinitely great mass at the zero point from which no light may be seen as it has been absorbed.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - Ankh - 09-24-2015
(09-09-2015, 07:59 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: I was driving around today and suddenly a thought struck me: why do those of Ra place so much emphasis on efficiency in our spiritual path? They talk about STO being more efficient than STS, or a certain way of processing catalyst through experience being more or less efficient. Maybe I'm being obtuse, but doesn't efficiency" imply a scarcity, as if there is a need to economize somehow. But what is scarce? Where is the economy needed? Why is efficiency even, for that hi matter, desirable by the Creator, if it is at all? In an infinite Creation, what could possibly be at stake that would require efficiency?
It occurs to me that perhaps this is about efficiency from the standpoint of the mind/body/spirit complex, not the unified Creator. But the same question still applies. Why would I, from any spiritual perspective, want efficiency in my path? After all, the inborn bias that determines our choice of polarity is wrapped in mystery, according to those of Ra. It's not as if the choice is some sort of calculation. So whence the significance of efficiency as such a frequent bugaboo in the material?
Thanks for your thoughts. This has gnawed at me for some time.
Hi Jeremy,
My understanding is that from the perspective of the One, there isn't anything at stake which would require efficiency, except a desire to know Itself. But perhaps from the perspective of third density mind/body/spirit complex, there is, as we experience time. You asked: "Why would I, from any spiritual perspective, want efficiency in my path?" My understanding is that since we experience time, you would want this efficiency because of the suffering or catalyst of sorrow. Not you personally perhaps, but maybe an average third density individual. Look what Ra said about our sorrow or suffering here:
"The general cause of service such as the Confederation offers is that of the primal distortion of the Law of One, which is service. The One Being of the creation is like unto a body, if you will accept this third-density analogy. Would we ignore a pain in the leg? A bruise upon the skin? A cut which is festering? No. There is no ignoring a call. We, the entities of sorrow, choose as our service the attempt to heal the sorrow which we are calling analogous to the pains of a physical body complex distortion."
So they came to aid us. They know we are "trapped" in time, so for us there is a difference if we suffer for 7, 75 or 75 000 years. They try to help by telling us what would be most efficient, i.e. take least amount of time and effort to be "free" from our sorrows.
From dictionary:
"efficiency
[ih-fish-uh n-see] /ɪˈfɪʃ ən si/
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1. the state or quality of being efficient, or able to accomplish something with the least waste of time and effort; competency in performance.
2. accomplishment of or ability to accomplish a job with a minimum expenditure of time and effort:
The assembly line increased industry's efficiency.
3. the ratio of the work done or energy developed by a machine, engine, etc., to the energy supplied to it, usually expressed as a percentage."
My understanding is that since Ra is speaking to 3D, understanding its illusions, Ra talk about "efficiency" in order for us to get our "salvation" with least amount of energy or time put to it, would we choose it.
Love,
Lana.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - Jeremy - 09-24-2015
You're thinking in 3rd density terms. When you look at it from a macrocosmic level, the ultimate goal is to return to the Creator. Therefore, efficiency in terms of spiritual evolution would be to minimize the time needed to attain the level of acclimation with the Creator.
One can say, "well more time spent on incarnations would be more experience for the Creator to experience its own creation" and that would be correct. But maximizing ones positive potential and service must weigh more heavily on the original intentions of the original thought since this thought was love.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - AnthroHeart - 09-24-2015
Oh, does Creator want us to take the longest way back to give it more experience? Or the most experience possible.
RE: Efficiency in the Ra Material - anagogy - 09-24-2015
(09-24-2015, 09:51 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Oh, does Creator want us to take the longest way back to give it more experience? Or the most experience possible.
From my perspective, it doesn't make a difference. The experience is ultimately for your benefit, not the Creator. The true creator cannot be added or subtracted to. But maybe I'm making things more complicated than they have to be, because all divisions are ultimately not real, so you are that Creator you wish to serve.
It is only the Logos that explores infinity in this fashion. The intelligent infinity from which the Logos arises from is the same regardless of what anyone does or does not do. It is the Son/Sun, or Logos (Potentiated Intelligent Infinity -- alternatively: "the one original thought"), that plays in the realm of finity. The Father (Unpotentiated Intelligent Infinity) doesn't even register the separation of finity and infinity as real. There is no exploration of separation from the Father's perspective. And the Holy Spirit is simply the memory of oneness with the Father that Logos/Sun/Son, instinctively possesses. Whenever there is a metaphysical subdivision, illusory though it may be, the former state is reduced to the realm of memory, as opposed to raw intuition/beingness/knowingness. And we are portions of the Logos. When we consciously realize that it is called "Christ Consciousness".