(07-16-2015, 04:45 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 04:17 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 02:38 PM)Diana Wrote: But personally I would like to live in a society that wasn't so extremely self-centered and asleep that we have starvation and suffering and so little respect for other life forms.

Yet here you are and not in any other kind of world where it wouldn't be like it is here.

What does that tell you? That this place is wrong and not a good place to be or that this masterpiece of Creation among infinite other masterpieces suited your needs for your own growth?

If you were to apply what Ra teaches to this planet as a whole in all of it's seeming imperfections, the only thing to be seen would be Love and Light. Not seeing it as such is a mirror unto our own distortions, which also is Love and Light.

I understand your point. But this is mostly an intellectual understanding (for me). Can you tell me that were you to witness suffering first hand in front of you (your pet tortured, a starving family member, starving children in Africa, maimed children from warfare, or whatever might touch you personally) that you would be so detached in your understanding? It is not as black and white, here in the trenches of 3D, as some would like to make it. 

What I would like the world to be while I am here is selfish (because I find it difficult at times). But it is not me wishing to change it, rather, it is a recognition of what I would like it to evolve to. 

If you are indeed that evolved that you can look on everything as love and light, without it being lip service, then I aspire to your detachment. I still find it difficult to witness pain and suffering while understanding and honoring free will. 

(07-16-2015, 04:49 PM)Farseer Wrote: What if I told you that this place will never evolve to that, however it already exists like that in another vibration so if you evolve yourself you can go to that state and experience it?

(07-16-2015, 05:10 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 04:49 PM)Farseer Wrote: What if I told you that this place will never evolve to that, however it already exists like that in another vibration so if you evolve yourself you can go to that state and experience it?

How would that apply to those wanderers here who have come voluntarily to assist (aside from telling them to stop complaining and get on with it  ) ?

(07-16-2015, 01:52 PM)Farseer Wrote: It just seems me that nature invested in humans so I am still greatly confused by the philosophy that the activities of humans are fundamentally 'unnatural'. Sounds like a species self esteem issue.

(07-16-2015, 05:39 PM)Farseer Wrote: That entities have an intention to do something doesn't decide the mechanics through which it might happen. If you want my opinion it would be that those wanderers should maybe focus first on remembering themselves before they worry about assisting others. The question is, what is it they are assisting towards exactly? There is all this talk of helping and service, but to do what? To heal? To experience more positivity? To evolve?

This is why I am finding these notions of service stranger and stranger because so far the most helpful thing I've been able to do is to just be myself. I always want to help, but in the end, what am I helping with? I think instead what it is is that I am participating. So, honestly, I think that it applies to those wanderers through their participation. By participating you or any wanderer is bringing with you/them a bridge to all of the realms of creativity and experience you have experienced with your soul self, your totality. In doing that you are actually causing others to have more opportunities to evolve themselves in those directions. By thinking of something marvelous, you make it more available in the minds of everyone. Thus, the very minds and internal activities of extravagant individuals can offer more stimulation in to the planetary mind, as well as love and compassion.

However, the work of evolving to experience higher states of vibrations is individual and then collective, not the other way around I believe. Let me make a suggestion to you. The way the world is is due to the fact that the laws of the universe can only manifest within a certain spectrum of distortion according to the density in which the light is being organized. Thus, the reason that third density with the veil is like this is because the laws of the logos filter experience. The laws exist because of the density of consciousness that is present. Therefore, asking "why is third density so confusing?" is like asking "why is the water wet?". The nature of the vibration at this level is such that the laws are built this way.

With that being said, any entity, no matter where it is from, will experience these types of laws if they are existing at this density. The laws do not change. What changes is the density of the entity. What we talk about as "moving through the densities" pertains to entities, not the laws of the density. Third density is third density is third density. However, the Earth is an entity, and we are entities that are part of that entity. That is where we get our mode of evolution.

What wanderers want to see when they are assisting is the entity that is the Earth evolve to a higher density state. This is therefore the actual motive behind assisting individuals to evolve to a higher density state. However, if one studies vibration, one can see that the most efficient way to increase vibration is through entrainment - a higher vibration en-training a lower vibration to a higher frequency, thus "raising it". So, it would appear to me that the most effective way a wanderer can assist others is to do their own work which will then by proxy raise the local vibration around them causing chain reactions with other individuals who are doing the same building a network which will eventually include all individuals. This is, I believe, how a social memory complex is formed in a positive society.

For contrast, in a negative society it is created by the force of a few individuals slowly building an elite until all 'non-elites' are enslaved or have died off.

(07-16-2015, 05:39 PM)Farseer Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 05:10 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 04:49 PM)Farseer Wrote: What if I told you that this place will never evolve to that, however it already exists like that in another vibration so if you evolve yourself you can go to that state and experience it?

How would that apply to those wanderers here who have come voluntarily to assist (aside from telling them to stop complaining and get on with it  ) ?

That entities have an intention to do something doesn't decide the mechanics through which it might happen. If you want my opinion it would be that those wanderers should maybe focus first on remembering themselves before they worry about assisting others. The question is, what is it they are assisting towards exactly? There is all this talk of helping and service, but to do what? To heal? To experience more positivity? To evolve?

This is why I am finding these notions of service stranger and stranger because so far the most helpful thing I've been able to do is to just be myself. I always want to help, but in the end, what am I helping with? I think instead what it is is that I am participating. So, honestly, I think that it applies to those wanderers through their participation. By participating you or any wanderer is bringing with you/them a bridge to all of the realms of creativity and experience you have experienced with your soul self, your totality. In doing that you are actually causing others to have more opportunities to evolve themselves in those directions. By thinking of something marvelous, you make it more available in the minds of everyone. Thus, the very minds and internal activities of extravagant individuals can offer more stimulation in to the planetary mind, as well as love and compassion.

However, the work of evolving to experience higher states of vibrations is individual and then collective, not the other way around I believe. Let me make a suggestion to you. The way the world is is due to the fact that the laws of the universe can only manifest within a certain spectrum of distortion according to the density in which the light is being organized. Thus, the reason that third density with the veil is like this is because the laws of the logos filter experience. The laws exist because of the density of consciousness that is present. Therefore, asking "why is third density so confusing?" is like asking "why is the water wet?". The nature of the vibration at this level is such that the laws are built this way.

With that being said, any entity, no matter where it is from, will experience these types of laws if they are existing at this density. The laws do not change. What changes is the density of the entity. What we talk about as "moving through the densities" pertains to entities, not the laws of the density. Third density is third density is third density. However, the Earth is an entity, and we are entities that are part of that entity. That is where we get our mode of evolution.

What wanderers want to see when they are assisting is the entity that is the Earth evolve to a higher density state. This is therefore the actual motive behind assisting individuals to evolve to a higher density state. However, if one studies vibration, one can see that the most efficient way to increase vibration is through entrainment - a higher vibration en-training a lower vibration to a higher frequency, thus "raising it". So, it would appear to me that the most effective way a wanderer can assist others is to do their own work which will then by proxy raise the local vibration around them causing chain reactions with other individuals who are doing the same building a network which will eventually include all individuals. This is, I believe, how a social memory complex is formed in a positive society.

For contrast, in a negative society it is created by the force of a few individuals slowly building an elite until all 'non-elites' are enslaved or have died off.

(07-16-2015, 05:39 PM)Farseer Wrote: What wanderers want to see when they are assisting is the entity that is the Earth evolve to a higher density state. This is therefore the actual motive behind assisting individuals to evolve to a higher density state. However, if one studies vibration, one can see that the most efficient way to increase vibration is through entrainment - a higher vibration en-training a lower vibration to a higher frequency, thus "raising it". So, it would appear to me that the most effective way a wanderer can assist others is to do their own work which will then by proxy raise the local vibration around them causing chain reactions with other individuals who are doing the same building a network which will eventually include all individuals. This is, I believe, how a social memory complex is formed in a positive society.

(07-17-2015, 05:31 AM)Folk-love Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 05:39 PM)Farseer Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 05:10 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-16-2015, 04:49 PM)Farseer Wrote: What if I told you that this place will never evolve to that, however it already exists like that in another vibration so if you evolve yourself you can go to that state and experience it?

How would that apply to those wanderers here who have come voluntarily to assist (aside from telling them to stop complaining and get on with it  ) ?

That entities have an intention to do something doesn't decide the mechanics through which it might happen. If you want my opinion it would be that those wanderers should maybe focus first on remembering themselves before they worry about assisting others. The question is, what is it they are assisting towards exactly? There is all this talk of helping and service, but to do what? To heal? To experience more positivity? To evolve?

This is why I am finding these notions of service stranger and stranger because so far the most helpful thing I've been able to do is to just be myself. I always want to help, but in the end, what am I helping with? I think instead what it is is that I am participating. So, honestly, I think that it applies to those wanderers through their participation. By participating you or any wanderer is bringing with you/them a bridge to all of the realms of creativity and experience you have experienced with your soul self, your totality. In doing that you are actually causing others to have more opportunities to evolve themselves in those directions. By thinking of something marvelous, you make it more available in the minds of everyone. Thus, the very minds and internal activities of extravagant individuals can offer more stimulation in to the planetary mind, as well as love and compassion.

However, the work of evolving to experience higher states of vibrations is individual and then collective, not the other way around I believe. Let me make a suggestion to you. The way the world is is due to the fact that the laws of the universe can only manifest within a certain spectrum of distortion according to the density in which the light is being organized. Thus, the reason that third density with the veil is like this is because the laws of the logos filter experience. The laws exist because of the density of consciousness that is present. Therefore, asking "why is third density so confusing?" is like asking "why is the water wet?". The nature of the vibration at this level is such that the laws are built this way.

With that being said, any entity, no matter where it is from, will experience these types of laws if they are existing at this density. The laws do not change. What changes is the density of the entity. What we talk about as "moving through the densities" pertains to entities, not the laws of the density. Third density is third density is third density. However, the Earth is an entity, and we are entities that are part of that entity. That is where we get our mode of evolution.

What wanderers want to see when they are assisting is the entity that is the Earth evolve to a higher density state. This is therefore the actual motive behind assisting individuals to evolve to a higher density state. However, if one studies vibration, one can see that the most efficient way to increase vibration is through entrainment - a higher vibration en-training a lower vibration to a higher frequency, thus "raising it". So, it would appear to me that the most effective way a wanderer can assist others is to do their own work which will then by proxy raise the local vibration around them causing chain reactions with other individuals who are doing the same building a network which will eventually include all individuals. This is, I believe, how a social memory complex is formed in a positive society.

For contrast, in a negative society it is created by the force of a few individuals slowly building an elite until all 'non-elites' are enslaved or have died off.

Therefore, someone living in a cave somewhere, who spends their life meditating is of greater service then the activist who puts in a lot of effort yet doesn't grow very much from a vibration/spiritual perspective?  Yes, I am trying to lessen my feelings of guilt in regards to my seeming lack of contribution and service to the world.