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RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Ooo - 05-20-2015
(05-19-2015, 07:36 PM)anagogy Wrote: I agree for the most part, but disagree that calling in the higher self part, makes the information more valid. Either way, the info is being warped through the 3rd density ego that is sitting in the hypnotherapists chair, relating/translating the information.
Absolutely. The information is being filtered/distorted to greater or lesser extent, and this "tainting" of the information depends significantly upon how "clear" and spiritually developed/balanced the subject/channel is. Having done this myself more than quite a few times, it is my personal experience that calling in the entity's "higher self" or "oversoul" yields more valuable information.
Quote:But there is a big difference in the veiled 3rd density personality, and the nonveiled 3rd density personality and the information that they have access to in this type of hypnotherapy situation.
Certainly. Yet 3rd-density awareness is 3rd-density awareness, whether embodied (and veiled) or not.
Quote:And as far as deep trance states, Dolores stated in several of her books the importance of getting the subjects into the deepest state possible to afford access to the soul memories and personality.
I guess it's a matter of semantics (as usual!). What do we consider "deep trance" anyway? Now, recall how in several of her sessions, the subject "regresses" into a child-like state and begins to speak and behave like an infant. Not only that, but you will often hear phrases like "I don't know" or "I'm not allowed to know that" and others to that effect, expressing ignorance (i.e. lack of knowledge) regarding various points of inquiry. Again: 3rd-density awareness.
That is what I was referring to. There is a significant contrast between dealing with that portion of the mind/memory complex (which is essentially the non-physical portion of the 3rd-density entity) and the entity's so-called "higher self" or "oversoul." The tone of voice and expression change dramatically, and it becomes more critical/objective (that is, gains more of a "big picture" perspective).
It's not just Dolores Cannon, though, so don't take it as an assault on her! To offer a less well-known example, take the regressions of "alien abductee" Betty Andreasson (particularly from the book The Andreasson Affair: Phase Two, by Raymond Fowler), she too is many times "regressed" to essentially relive the experience as the consciousness was at the time of the experience. Same goes for many of Michael Newton's and Brian Weiss' subjects. Even "in-between lives," several subjects will show their true colors, so to speak, once the outer/physical personality is penetrated, and will act and speak like 12-year olds, revealing a relatively immature/undeveloped 3rd-density consciousness.
As a practicing psychologist/therapist, I have been able to witness this first-hand from the comfort of my own room. Which is why I say: calling in the entity's "higher self" yields more valuable information, since (if done right) one is essentially linking the spiritually immature 3rd-density consciousness to its 6th-density resource/navigation system, so to speak.
Quote:I personally see nothing wrong with so called lower planes. The physical world is the lowest plane of all from my perspective
Yet we have 5th-density space/time, which is quite physical, albeit a much, much lighter physical illusion. Not to mention there's also 6th-density physical (space/time) light.
I understand the simplistic rendition. However, this leads people to adopt various erroneous beliefs, such as:
(a) the human condition is the only plane of illusion; only humans are trapped in an illusion;
(b) the physical plane ends with the human condition; which, once transcended, leads to pure non-physical life;
© human beings did not evolve from an earlier animal/plant derivative;
(d) physicality is an illusion; non-physicality is real;
(e) etc.
All of the above are based on half-truths and mis-truths.
Quote:Your observation about good hearted nature not equaling accuracy can be applied to all sources, even Carla. There were plenty of errors related through Carla's words (many of which were caught in the sessions), so even when a sixth density being of light is communicating, we all have to carefully think about these concepts, and use our own personal discernment capabilities to ascertain the truth of any communicated piece of knowledge. The assumed veracity of the source does not ever excuse us from personal truth discernment. I never automatically accept any concept unless it agrees with me on a very deep fundamental level of intuition and logic.
Absolutely. Anagogy, I apologize to you and everyone if at any time I came out as aggressive/antagonistic in any of my posts. I do not mean to instigate discord here. None of this is very important to graduate to 4th density anyway. I am just very fastidious about the accuracy of information in communication (inasmuch as it may be possible under our veiled, 3rd-density circumstances), and I simply see too much confusion and misinformation everywhere I look (i.g. books, YouTube videos, truth-seeking forums, fringe websites and online articles, etc).
I should have included some hearts in my posts!
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - VanAlioSaldo - 05-20-2015
If we're on the subject of age regression hypnosis, Ooo, would you recommend any methods of learning hypnosis, or any methods of figuring out for one's self how receptive they are to hypnosis?
I've always wondered how one perceives things under such hypnosis, and considering I want to actually dish out 700 dollars one day for a professional session by a certified Life Between Lives Age/Past Life Regression Hypnotherapist, I'd like to have some knowledge beforehand if I'm resistant to hypnosis or not.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Minyatur - 05-20-2015
I've meditated on acid while listening to the song "Regression" from Dream Theater. God that thing felt like it was swinging my awareness how it wanted and it felt so uncomfortable that I had start over and over. The intro is like a hypnosis session.
Was fun.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Diana - 05-20-2015
(05-20-2015, 01:47 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: If we're on the subject of age regression hypnosis, Ooo, would you recommend any methods of learning hypnosis, or any methods of figuring out for one's self how receptive they are to hypnosis?
I've always wondered how one perceives things under such hypnosis, and considering I want to actually dish out 700 dollars one day for a professional session by a certified Life Between Lives Age/Past Life Regression Hypnotherapist, I'd like to have some knowledge beforehand if I'm resistant to hypnosis or not.
I have a friend who did that—paid around 700 for the LBL regression. She was very disappointed. She is an open-minded person, and not resistant. But the sessions (2 days) simply weren't very productive. No revelations, nothing that resonated.
I personally wouldn't spend the money. The hypnosis is not very deep—you don't go "under." It's more of a relaxed state with guided imagery.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Minyatur - 05-20-2015
(05-20-2015, 01:55 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-20-2015, 01:47 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: If we're on the subject of age regression hypnosis, Ooo, would you recommend any methods of learning hypnosis, or any methods of figuring out for one's self how receptive they are to hypnosis?
I've always wondered how one perceives things under such hypnosis, and considering I want to actually dish out 700 dollars one day for a professional session by a certified Life Between Lives Age/Past Life Regression Hypnotherapist, I'd like to have some knowledge beforehand if I'm resistant to hypnosis or not.
I have a friend who did that—paid around 700 for the LBL regression. She was very disappointed. She is an open-minded person, and not resistant. But the sessions (2 days) simply weren't very productive. No revelations, nothing that resonated.
I personally wouldn't spend the money. The hypnosis is not very deep—you don't go "under." It's more of a relaxed state with guided imagery.
As someone who can't visualize images at all, I guess it'd be disapointing.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - anagogy - 05-20-2015
(05-20-2015, 11:42 AM)Ooo Wrote: Certainly. Yet 3rd-density awareness is 3rd-density awareness, whether embodied (and veiled) or not.
Well, my point was that 3rd density awareness after death is much different than 3rd density awareness in life.
Quote:30.4 Questioner: Is there any loss to the mind or spirit after this transition which we call death or any impairment of either because of the loss of this chemical body that we now have?
Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the fact that much of the activity of a mental nature of which you are aware during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface illusion as is the chemical body complex.
In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall we say, pure distillation of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms, if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.
In terms of the spiritual, this channel is then much opened due to the lack of necessity for the forgetting characteristic of third density.
So while they still have a 3rd density perspective, even after death, they have a relatively undistorted picture of how the whole picture works, at least, relative to the incarnate perspective. So talking to a dead dude is not precisely concomitant with talking to a live dude. One is significantly wiser in my opinion.
(05-20-2015, 11:42 AM)Ooo Wrote: Yet we have 5th-density space/time, which is quite physical, albeit a much, much lighter physical illusion. Not to mention there's also 6th-density physical (space/time) light.
I have a slightly different understanding of "physical". I believe all physical materializations, whether they be 5th, 4th, 3rd, or whatever, exist in the same physical plane (give or take). It is just a more complex patternization of "physical". I guess the simplest way for me to explain what I mean by this is that the physical of 4th density is not of a significantly higher vibration than the physical material of 1st density. I'm not saying there aren't ANY differences or nuances in vibration (i mean, technically it is a faster vibration of "physical" than a lower density), but the physical of every density does not exceed red ray vibration, from my perspective. It is a range or continuum between matter and energy, but only on the red ray spectrum, which is a strictly physical spectrum of reality, which is the lowest vibration of consciousness (not to be confused as a "lesser" vibration -- but in a strictly vibratory tone-like sense). So the lower astral of 3rd density is of a higher or faster vibration than the physical of 4th density as an somewhat obtuse example.
(05-20-2015, 11:42 AM)Ooo Wrote: Absolutely. Anagogy, I apologize to you and everyone if at any time I came out as aggressive/antagonistic in any of my posts. I do not mean to instigate discord here. None of this is very important to graduate to 4th density anyway. I am just very fastidious about the accuracy of information in communication (inasmuch as it may be possible under our veiled, 3rd-density circumstances), and I simply see too much confusion and misinformation everywhere I look (i.g. books, YouTube videos, truth-seeking forums, fringe websites and online articles, etc).
I should have included some hearts in my posts!
It didn't come across as antagonistic or aggressive to me, and I feel I know you well enough from previous communications that I know you don't work that way. So no worries about instigating discord. I don't automatically interpret directness as an attack in any shape way or form.
I understand the need for preciseness, and I share your deep abiding appreciation of it, but in the nooks and crannies of confusion and apparent misinformation lie the flecks of truth strewn about like a mosaic for those with the will to put it together, so even sources that initially come across like cornucopias of half truths and bumbling vortices of shadow and ignorance can even themselves be wealthy resources of knowledge and inspiration.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - anagogy - 05-20-2015
(05-20-2015, 01:55 PM)Diana Wrote: I have a friend who did that—paid around 700 for the LBL regression. She was very disappointed. She is an open-minded person, and not resistant. But the sessions (2 days) simply weren't very productive. No revelations, nothing that resonated.
I personally wouldn't spend the money. The hypnosis is not very deep—you don't go "under." It's more of a relaxed state with guided imagery.
Going into a trance is an equal measure of skill between subject and hypnotherapist.
A talented hypnotherapist is skilled at leading a subject into hypnosis, but it is a mistake to assume the depth of trance is solely a power escribed to the therapist. Some people are simply not good at going into hypnosis. Such an individual will not go deep enough to access anything worthwhile.
An inept hypnotherapist is also problematic in that at they will only be successful with subjects that possess an innate talent for entering deep trances.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Stranger - 05-21-2015
(05-20-2015, 01:47 PM)VanAlioSaldo Wrote: If we're on the subject of age regression hypnosis, Ooo, would you recommend any methods of learning hypnosis, or any methods of figuring out for one's self how receptive they are to hypnosis?
I've always wondered how one perceives things under such hypnosis, and considering I want to actually dish out 700 dollars one day for a professional session by a certified Life Between Lives Age/Past Life Regression Hypnotherapist, I'd like to have some knowledge beforehand if I'm resistant to hypnosis or not.
There are past life regression audio recordings you can try for a very low cost compared to an in-person session. Simply look on Amazon or elsewhere. Dick Sutphen's are probably the most widespread, but they never worked for me - just put me to sleep. Others did.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Bluebell - 05-21-2015
(05-17-2015, 04:01 PM)earth_spirit Wrote: I used to think about this when I was suicidal. It seems that entities like Ra and some others see earth as a "place of learning". But we don't have any option other than "to learn", do we? Even after death, we have no option but to reincarnate again and again until we have suffered / learned enough to rise to upper densities. If we don't have to option of "dropping out" of this "school", then would it not be more appropriate to call it a prison?
I remember that one time, I wanted not only to die, but cease to exist. I still wonder if such an option is available which allows our self-awareness to "dissolve" back into the Creator. Otherwise it would appear that we're prisoners with no way out.
ceasing to exist is unfortunately not available. we offer a number or other alternatives.
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RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - andreazzi - 05-21-2015
(05-21-2015, 08:03 AM)Bluebell Wrote: ceasing to exist is unfortunately not available. we offer a number or other alternatives.
I disagree! MJ would do the job perfectly and with the precious addition of no hangovers! LOL
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Bluebell - 05-21-2015
i didn't say MJ wasn't available too, but for the record i do not get hangovers!!!! i can't help it if ur yellow belly rebels
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Indigo Light - 05-22-2015
You can leave. There is more of you wanting to stay, then you wanting to leave. There is less here then more of you "on the other side." This is small focuses of our entire spectrum of being. For most people anyway. I do believe there to be some who are tuned with there true self, and working or very close to graduating or something along those lines. So like Ra said, your like a candle light scribing away in the darkness. The balances subtle. The creator infinitely more so.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Reaper - 05-24-2015
I have learned so much here. Experienced so much. Seen so much. I wouldn't trade my time in this "prison" for anything.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Stranger - 05-24-2015
The funny thing about 3D here on Earth is that it can be either a prison or a paradise. I have personally experienced it as both, so I can very strongly relate to the sentiment earth_spirit is describing.
What's more interesting, whether it is a prison or a paradise for a given individual is up to that individual. The great work of life is to first, discover, and second, use the magical keys that transform samsara (suffering) into nirvana (bliss).
The keys are the Law of One, the teachings of Buddha, the example of Jesus and Gandhi. Using the keys means working diligently to apply the teachings in our daily lives, our interactions with ourselves, others, nature. Simply becoming more loving and kind. Simply treating all others the way we would want to be treated. What could be more reasonable and fair?
If it's a prison, then it's one with the door unlocked. Our work is simply to notice that the door exists, and then make the effort to get up and walk out!
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - darklight - 05-24-2015
3th density is a garbage place.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - AnthroHeart - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
There's so many beautiful artworks and cartoons here that I feel so special to be here.
I can't believe I am One with my favorite artists and musicians.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - darklight - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 04:40 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
There's so many beautiful artworks and cartoons here that I feel so special to be here.
I can't believe I am One with my favorite artists and musicians.
True, but there is much more in this heavy density.
There is much more above us in the less distorted densities.
The philosophy of STO is love and acceptance, especially in fourth density 24 hours a day. That's why fourth density wanderers can make big mistakes in a 3th density incarnation.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - AnthroHeart - 05-24-2015
So the artwork and cartoons that I admire will still be around in 4D? Are we sure about that? And even more?
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - darklight - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 05:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So the artwork and cartoons that I admire will still be around in 4D? Are we sure about that? And even more?
All what you like in 3th will be reality in 4th. No gadgets, no tv's, it will be a reality, so beautiful. We can't imagine that.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - AnthroHeart - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 05:25 PM)darklight Wrote:(05-24-2015, 05:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So the artwork and cartoons that I admire will still be around in 4D? Are we sure about that? And even more?
All what you like in 3th will be reality in 4th. No gadgets, no tv's, it will be a reality, so beautiful. We can't imagine that.
How do you know that what we love will be there?
Actual biological entities instead of drawings?
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Lighthead - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
I actually think that the density of choice is a masterpiece of creation. Not in terms of what's in it, but the implication of being able to refine the choice.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - darklight - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 05:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: How do you know that what we love will be there?
Actual biological entities instead of drawings?
It's your desire, your vibration. You will be the Creator in a fourth density environment.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - AnthroHeart - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 05:37 PM)darklight Wrote:(05-24-2015, 05:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: How do you know that what we love will be there?
Actual biological entities instead of drawings?
It's your desire, your vibration. You will be the Creator in a fourth density environment.
I think I will enjoy it, as long as I'm not longing for 3D again. You probably don't have rest in your thoughts since every thought creates in 4D.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Minyatur - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 05:32 PM)Lighthead Wrote:(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
I actually think that the density of choice is a masterpiece of creation. Not in terms of what's in it, but the implication of being able to refine the choice.
Having a veil is also a cool experience.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - AnthroHeart - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 06:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-24-2015, 05:32 PM)Lighthead Wrote:(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
I actually think that the density of choice is a masterpiece of creation. Not in terms of what's in it, but the implication of being able to refine the choice.
Having a veil is also a cool experience.
You said it. I have often relished in my confusion.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Minyatur - 05-24-2015
It feels like rediscovering yourself little by little, becoming aware you never truly lost yourself.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Lighthead - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 06:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-24-2015, 05:32 PM)Lighthead Wrote:(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
I actually think that the density of choice is a masterpiece of creation. Not in terms of what's in it, but the implication of being able to refine the choice.
Having a veil is also a cool experience.
I don't know if it's cool, but it seems necessary for learning.
RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Minyatur - 05-24-2015
(05-24-2015, 07:09 PM)Lighthead Wrote:(05-24-2015, 06:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-24-2015, 05:32 PM)Lighthead Wrote:(05-24-2015, 04:26 PM)darklight Wrote: 3th density is a garbage place.
I actually think that the density of choice is a masterpiece of creation. Not in terms of what's in it, but the implication of being able to refine the choice.
Having a veil is also a cool experience.
I don't know if it's cool, but it seems necessary for learning.
To say what Tan told me when I said something was nice : Cool is relative, it is what it is.
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RE: 3rd density is not just a school, but a prison - Stranger - 05-25-2015
(05-25-2015, 03:17 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:Well, let's add a little more detail to the process and see.(05-24-2015, 03:52 PM)Stranger Wrote: If it's a prison, then it's one with the door unlocked. Our work is simply to notice that the door exists, and then make the effort to get up and walk out!
Wish it were that easy. I'd say that metaphysical door is miles away on top of a steep mountain, and the way is obstructed by lots of suffering and many distractions.
First: we have the capacity to choose the emotion with which we respond to any situation.
Second: we fill ourselves with whatever emotion we choose to generate within ourselves.
Third: loving-kindness is happiness. Ever moment spent feeling this, literally, builds upon and accumulates our joy, and reduces emotional suffering.
Fourth: Every moment (more accurately, every Planck time, but let's not get too technical) we enter a new reality. Like a new frame of a movie on a movie reel. Our choices in the preceding moment define what the next moment will feel like.
The point is that nothing except ego and habit stands in the way between us and the choices that would transform the prison into paradise. If we wanted it badly enough, used every opportunity to find love (i.e., 100% efficient use of catalyst), I doubt it would even take two or three years to to reach bliss - less time than it takes to get a Bachelor's degree in college!