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RE: Service to Self individuals - ScottK - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 04:56 AM)darklight Wrote: Serial killers, rapers, robbers etc are not even close to the concept of STS.
Agreed.. A simple serial killer is basically an undisciplined sociopath, who derives pleasure from his/her gluttony of murder. This is very different than the concept of STS in which an individual is a disciplined deceiver for the purpose of moving oneself up the power pyramid versus other-selves.
A "healthy" STS murderer would be an individual who uses the tool of murder to increase their power - to destroy dissent and to improve/entrench their status through fear. Generally speaking, one who can properly use this tool probably has already amassed a significant amount of power, since public knowledge of said murders would destroy one's position on the power pyramid unless they were powerful enough to make any charges of murder go away.
Bill and Hillary might be excellent examples of this considering the number of murders all around them through the years, along with, obviously, the Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong types..
RE: Service to Self individuals - Matt1 - 05-09-2015
(05-08-2015, 04:32 PM)Stranger Wrote: Personally I do not feel there is any benefit to be derived from focusing on negativity. Our consciousness is like a radio: we can tune into any frequency, from the sublime to the depraved. And if we want to be happy, it makes sense to tune into the happy station. If it were useful for us to encounter or experience the type of negativity posted on that site, it would have been presented to us as catalyst in our own lives. What our eyes see, our consciousness swallows. I prefer to not intentionally swallow s**t.
Now, this is a distinct scenario from, say, going to a disaster-stricken area or working for the EMS and seeing the horrors associated with that. The difference is that, in those cases, you'd actually be able to help. Even then, it would be vital to make sure one is able to do so with love, without getting dragged down and overwhelmed by it.
Inner peace is required to find love, and love is needed to serve this planet on the most meaningful level, and also in order to polarize.
If we intentionally look for things that interfere with that peace, whether it's porn or atrocities, it's not helping us or others.
I think the main difference here is from focusing on something and rejecting something because its considered negative. If we want to be happy sure we can tune into the happy station but to do without listening to our own negative station is to put our heads into ignorance. Likewise you can listen to the negative station in a balanced and even loving way, allowing one to see the full expression of the individual psyche.
By consciously looking at our own shadow self and the collective shadow of the planet, we are in fact healing it with a loving thought. The real negativity is the rejection of catalyst which isn't helpful for polarization.
RE: Service to Self individuals - ScottK - 05-09-2015
How does one make an informed choice of whether to be STO if they don't fully understand the STS choice?
and similarly,
If you truly understand the STS choice and the specifics of what you'd have to be and do to become STS, wouldn't that knowledge aid in becoming more STO?
RE: Service to Self individuals - Diana - 05-09-2015
Compassion, and opening one's self to others at the heart level, makes it possible to be STO. STS requires a certain barrier to others in order to stay focused on self alone. It would take a lot of energy to keep all others at bay to maintain that focus, which may be why Ra claims STS individuals need to be more polarized to advance.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-09-2015
I do think negative entities also are open in their heart chakra, it's just that in it may lie not the kind of energy you expect in yours. It's probably full of sorrow rather than love.
RE: Service to Self individuals - AnthroHeart - 05-09-2015
I am lazy. I don't go out and help others. That makes me at least partially sts.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 03:27 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I am lazy. I don't go out and help others. That makes me at least partially sts.
In my view being STO is STS in itself, it's just.. let's say more self-righteous. Anyone with great desires to help others will do so for itself before doing it for others as it is simply fufilling it's own desires. It's always about self.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-09-2015
About the list of the 25 most evil persons, it might be a good exercice to read the whole text with in mind that we did all of it, to not dissociate the other-selves as something we were not when it happened.
RE: Service to Self individuals - AnthroHeart - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 03:40 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-09-2015, 03:27 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I am lazy. I don't go out and help others. That makes me at least partially sts.
In my view being STO is STS in itself, it's just.. let's say more self-righteous. Anyone with great desires to help others will do so for itself before doing it for others as it is simply fufilling it's own desires. It's always about self.
You are very wise.
I must accept that STS part of myself in order to be STO. STO is about acceptance. STS is about control.
RE: Service to Self individuals - AnthroHeart - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 03:42 PM)Minyatur Wrote: About the list of the 25 most evil persons, it might be a good exercice to read the whole text with in mind that we did all of it, to not dissociate the other-selves as something we were not when it happened.
I truly am an evil soul.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 03:52 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(05-09-2015, 03:42 PM)Minyatur Wrote: About the list of the 25 most evil persons, it might be a good exercice to read the whole text with in mind that we did all of it, to not dissociate the other-selves as something we were not when it happened.
I truly am an evil soul.
Infinity can be one twisted thing.
RE: Service to Self individuals - AnthroHeart - 05-09-2015
I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 03:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
You seem to have already lived off your karma. Karma isn't about getting a payback, it's about learning something.
RE: Service to Self individuals - AnthroHeart - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 04:03 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-09-2015, 03:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
You seem to have already lived off your karma. Karma isn't about getting a payback, it's about learning something.
Woohoo. I was so ignorant before. Now I see.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Stranger - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 07:58 AM)ScottK Wrote: How does one make an informed choice of whether to be STO if they don't fully understand the STS choice?
and similarly,
If you truly understand the STS choice and the specifics of what you'd have to be and do to become STS, wouldn't that knowledge aid in becoming more STO?
Light, Love and unity existed a long, long, LONG time before the idea of darkness and separation arose.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 09:35 PM)Stranger Wrote:(05-09-2015, 07:58 AM)ScottK Wrote: How does one make an informed choice of whether to be STO if they don't fully understand the STS choice?
and similarly,
If you truly understand the STS choice and the specifics of what you'd have to be and do to become STS, wouldn't that knowledge aid in becoming more STO?
Light, Love and unity existed a long, long, LONG time before the idea of darkness and separation arose.
But STO is not that light, love and unity. It is only a polarity of it which rejects it's counterpart thus bringing the illusion of non-unity. Well in a two-way sense where the STS path does the exact same in a different manner.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Diana - 05-09-2015
(05-09-2015, 03:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
WTF? Yes. Those are "bad things."
RE: Service to Self individuals - Stranger - 05-10-2015
(05-09-2015, 06:57 AM)Matt1 Wrote: I think the main difference here is from focusing on something and rejecting something because its considered negative. If we want to be happy sure we can tune into the happy station but to do without listening to our own negative station is to put our heads into ignorance. Likewise you can listen to the negative station in a balanced and even loving way, allowing one to see the full expression of the individual psyche.
By consciously looking at our own shadow self and the collective shadow of the planet, we are in fact healing it with a loving thought. The real negativity is the rejection of catalyst which isn't helpful for polarization.
Matt, I actually don't think we're disagreeing here. I may be able to add some clarity to my original statement. In my experience, the process of spiritual growth (polarization, what have you) consists of two steps: 1) reaching progressively higher states of spiritual purity, 2) learning to maintain those states in the face of catalyst.
Step 1 is achieved by meditation, loving thoughts, fasting, chanting, perceiving oneness with the Creator, and so forth. It is experienced as joyfulness, happiness, warm tingles. Reaching ever closer toward the absolute bliss and peace of the Creator.
Step 2 is where the gains become permanent. Everyone can be a saint on the mountaintop, but it's much harder to be a saint in the marketplace, as they say. By facing difficult situations, annoyances, setbacks, etc. (i.e., catalyst) with love and acceptance, we incrementally change our personality patterns; our new baseline of being becomes a higher spiritual plateau than before.
Then, the cycle repeats as we reach yet higher, yet again. But the ultimate goal is still the same: to reach a higher state of being and be able to stay there. A spiritual king-of-the-hill against catalyst, and our own old habits of being.
Now, if one is constantly being exposed to the news, violent movies, stories of serial killers, conspiracy theories, step 1 becomes much more difficult. Like it or not, until we're absolute saints, negative inputs will trigger an automatic emotional reaction; and a reaction other than love and acceptance will drag us down. Or, at the very least, distract us from our own, personal spiritual challenges. There is a reason why spiritual people throughout the ages have sought peace - outside of cities, as Ra says; in monasteries or secluded places; in nature; surrounded by peace. Not making an effort to purify one's surroundings, consuming a steady diet of negative input is a lot like constantly drilling small holes in your own boat while you're out on the lake.
I find that the Creator provides us with appropriate catalyst in doses that are useful for stimulating growth, rather than dragging us down into the muck. To me it's amazing how much useful catalyst can come from simple interpersonal interactions, and how much growth can result from working to perfect and polish those. Personally, I find no benefit in watching the evening news. But when I do come across it, I generally find myself pleased that I am able to respond with compassion for all involved and (mostly) maintain my peace. If I'd been watching it all along, I don't think I ever would have got to this point.
The point is, our own lives already have challenges aplenty -- ones that are specifically designed for our use and benefit. There is no purpose in either distracting ourselves from these, or heaping up other people's catalyst onto our own plates.
RE: Service to Self individuals - tamaryn - 05-10-2015
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RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-10-2015
(05-09-2015, 11:41 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-09-2015, 03:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
WTF? Yes. Those are "bad things."
How can you answer for sure that he will receive karma for this in another life? From the way he usually speaks, he already seems pretty disturbed from the events.
You probably are an agent of his karma but I doubt it'll go beyond things like this that are bringing back his awareness to feeling bad about what he did until he feels not bad about it anymore through acceptance of the past.
RE: Service to Self individuals - outerheaven - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 10:44 AM)tamaryn Wrote:
whoa... can I get some more information on this?
I haven't seen that symbol before. But it appears to be a spine, with a crown-like glow at the bottom. I can imagine if it were inverted, it would appear to be energy traveling up the spine and reaching the crown, where it glows. A symbol of enlightenment, perhaps, a fully-activated being.
But for that symbol to be upside down? Well ... lowered consciousness. Or maybe more accurate, lowering consciousness, as in it is actively moving away from enlightenment.
And for that symbol to be the power button on our freaking TV sets, electronics etc? Rich. Turn on the TV and suffer! Hidden in plain sight as always.
thanks for sharing! but please share more if you can tell me what this symbol is called so I can read about it.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Diana - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 11:03 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-09-2015, 11:41 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-09-2015, 03:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
WTF? Yes. Those are "bad things."
How can you answer for sure that he will receive karma for this in another life? From the way he usually speaks, he already seems pretty disturbed from the events.
You probably are an agent of his karma but I doubt it'll go beyond things like this that are bringing back his awareness to feeling bad about what he did until he feels not bad about it anymore through acceptance of the past.
I said nothing about karma. I don't have any beliefs about that. I just can't tolerate people who harm defenseless and innocent animals. It is my weak spot. I have an opinion about what was done, that's all. I have no attachment to what Gemini does or doesn't do. If he feels badly, then he feels badly. I wasn't trying to make that happen.
I am no agent of anyone else's karma (if karma exists). I don't want to change anyone. I would wish for the human race to evolve, but that is just my wish.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 01:51 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-10-2015, 11:03 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(05-09-2015, 11:41 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-09-2015, 03:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I partially strangled a cat once, so I've done bad things in this life. I also stabbed a dog.
Might be karma that I'll have to make up for in another life.
WTF? Yes. Those are "bad things."
How can you answer for sure that he will receive karma for this in another life? From the way he usually speaks, he already seems pretty disturbed from the events.
You probably are an agent of his karma but I doubt it'll go beyond things like this that are bringing back his awareness to feeling bad about what he did until he feels not bad about it anymore through acceptance of the past.
I said nothing about karma. I don't have any beliefs about that. I just can't tolerate people who harm defenseless and innocent animals. It is my weak spot. I have an opinion about what was done, that's all. I have no attachment to what Gemini does or doesn't do. If he feels badly, then he feels badly. I wasn't trying to make that happen.
I am no agent of anyone else's karma (if karma exists). I don't want to change anyone. I would wish for the human race to evolve, but that is just my wish.
I thought the "WTF? Yes." was about the karma thing my bad. To me karma is just life lessons popping to your face until you do learn the lessons.
In this case it's not really about how he feels about it now and how wrong he can think it is, it's about understanding why it happened in the past and under which circumstances it can happen. Whether we agree or not with it, through the circumstances of the individual we did exactly what was done. Under the LOO there are no things we wouldn't do, our very essence is the same as every other self we are not. We just went through different circumstances to explore different experiences.
RE: Service to Self individuals - native - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 12:29 PM)outerheaven Wrote: whoa... can I get some more information on this?
The details are not that exciting..explanation.
RE: Service to Self individuals - native - 05-10-2015
Ra always put forth the suggestion to "seek the creator". I believe they even mentioned it when talking about Hitler and trying to classify sts individuals. That list sounds like it has some good self-serving candidates, but I think the majority of those who get labeled as self-serving, especially politicians and "elites", are just like you and I.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 03:03 PM)Icaro Wrote: Ra always put forth the suggestion to "seek the creator". I believe they even mentioned it when talking about Hitler and trying to classify sts individuals. That list sounds like it has some good self-serving candidates, but I think the majority of those who get labeled as self-serving, especially politicians and "elites", are just like you and I.
Are not every individual just like you and I?
RE: Service to Self individuals - Stranger - 05-10-2015
(05-09-2015, 10:24 PM)Minyatur Wrote: But STO is not that light, love and unity. It is only a polarity of it which rejects it's counterpart thus bringing the illusion of non-unity. Well in a two-way sense where the STS path does the exact same in a different manner.
Minyatur, I was intrigued by the question you raised, and asked for guidance and clarification from my higher sources. They explained to me that STO and STS entities are exactly the same in every regard, with one exception. They are the same One Consciousness (of course). Their bodies and personalities are constructed out of the same light. The only difference is this: the Creator showers all of his creation in love (i.e., "the sun shines on the just and unjust alike"); this is in fact the same love that we feel for the Creator and each other, what we call love, and express to varying degrees. STO entities seek to emulate the Creator's unconditional love for all; but STS entities choose not to express (radiate) that love to the Creator or other entities. That is the only difference between STS and STO.
Therefore, the same love that we feel right now, that the Creator feels toward us, long predated the STO/STS division.
RE: Service to Self individuals - native - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 04:23 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Are not every individual just like you and I?
Ding! 44.6 Are you not all things?
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 05:23 PM)Stranger Wrote:(05-09-2015, 10:24 PM)Minyatur Wrote: But STO is not that light, love and unity. It is only a polarity of it which rejects it's counterpart thus bringing the illusion of non-unity. Well in a two-way sense where the STS path does the exact same in a different manner.
Minyatur, I was intrigued by the question you raised, and asked for guidance and clarification from my higher sources. They explained to me that STO and STS entities are exactly the same in every regard, with one exception. They are the same One Consciousness (of course). Their bodies and personalities are constructed out of the same light. The only difference is this: the Creator showers all of his creation in love (i.e., "the sun shines on the just and unjust alike"); this is in fact the same love that we feel for the Creator and each other, what we call love, and express to varying degrees. STO entities seek to emulate the Creator's unconditional love for all; but STS entities choose not to express (radiate) that love to the Creator or other entities. That is the only difference between STS and STO.
Therefore, the same love that we feel right now, that the Creator feels toward us, long predated the STO/STS division.
I would not say STS choose not to express that love. They live it in a different manner because of the circumstances they went through. Take any STO entity, put it in the line of experiences of a STS entity and you get the very same STS entity. So the choice was only the first distortion of free will to exist within a path of experiences.
To me both path are very conditional and work only for what is alike them. You don't see STO social memory complexes trying to polarize a planet in a STS manner so that STS entities can have a home of their own. STS entities do that for themselves just as STO do the same for themselves. Both path are actually about control in some way, trying to polarize reality alike themselves.
Above these two paths is what supports both ways of being. i.e. the Earth as a Logos is not trying to be a STO world and neither a STS world. It is just being a world and it lets lesser entities play their tug of war polarity game as the entities within the Earth once did before. As such neither path are wrong, they are simply working for a different set of entities to support until they transcend their own subjective ways to support the All in an uncondtionnal manner having no intentions for themselves. If the Earth has to provide an earthquake, it will. Ra for exemple would probably be unable to assume this role as he is now.
RE: Service to Self individuals - Minyatur - 05-10-2015
(05-10-2015, 05:33 PM)Icaro Wrote:(05-10-2015, 04:23 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Are not every individual just like you and I?
Ding! 44.6 Are you not all things?
I was going to either write that or what I did.
