(05-07-2015, 07:54 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 07:41 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 07:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 07:09 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Rather than accepting being unable to accept?

I do accept those unable to accept. If I were the one unable to accept, I'd be living not being able to accept until I'd finally accept what was not accepted.

You do not feel there is anything you are unable to accept?

Not really when you do realize you are everyone as them.

(05-07-2015, 08:01 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Do you accept the opposite of your beliefs? Would you accept the idea that you are not everyone and everyone is not you?

(05-07-2015, 08:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:01 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Do you accept the opposite of your beliefs? Would you accept the idea that you are not everyone and everyone is not you?

I do think the One is me and everyone I am not, including opposite beliefs.

(05-07-2015, 08:14 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:01 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Do you accept the opposite of your beliefs? Would you accept the idea that you are not everyone and everyone is not you?

I do think the One is me and everyone I am not, including opposite beliefs.

You just repeated your beliefs. Could you accept that the One is not you, or that you are not the One?

(05-07-2015, 08:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:14 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:01 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Do you accept the opposite of your beliefs? Would you accept the idea that you are not everyone and everyone is not you?

I do think the One is me and everyone I am not, including opposite beliefs.

You just repeated your beliefs. Could you accept that the One is not you, or that you are not the One?

I did accept that for longer than I did accept the belief I stated yet I still accepted others who I am not.

(05-07-2015, 08:17 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:16 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:14 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 08:01 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Do you accept the opposite of your beliefs? Would you accept the idea that you are not everyone and everyone is not you?

I do think the One is me and everyone I am not, including opposite beliefs.

You just repeated your beliefs. Could you accept that the One is not you, or that you are not the One?

I did accept that for longer than I did accept the belief I stated yet I still accepted others who I am not.

Could you accept that now?

Quote:52.11 Questioner: Thank you. Just a little point that was bothering me of no real importance.

Well, is there then, from the point of view of an individual who wishes to follow the service-to-others path from our present position in third density, is there anything of importance other than disciplines of personality, knowledge of self, and strengthening of will?

Ra: I am Ra. This is technique. This is not the heart. Let us examine the heart of evolution.

Let us remember that we are all one. This is the great learning/teaching. In this unity lies love. This is a great learn/teaching. In this unity lies light. This is the fundamental teaching of all planes of existence in materialization. Unity, love, light, and joy; this is the heart of evolution of the spirit.

The second-ranking lessons are learn/taught in meditation and in service. At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that the techniques you have mentioned become quite significant. However, the universe, its mystery unbroken, is one. Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique.

(05-08-2015, 02:54 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: In Qi Gong they have a saying - "Empty your neck, let the energy rise to the crown."

(05-08-2015, 03:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote:

(05-08-2015, 02:54 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: In Qi Gong they have a saying - "Empty your neck, let the energy rise to the crown."

What is your interpretation of that saying? If you turn it back around to me I'd have to say that I don't get the, empty your neck, part.

(05-09-2015, 12:24 AM)Lighthead Wrote: Tan.rar, I have a more nuanced question. Let's say that you were to view the chakras as a color spectrum as Ra so often does. And let's take that instance of someone who is emotionally affected by a human act of tenderness such as the one I mentioned previously. You say that that is an instance of yellow ray; what part of yellow ray? Is it mid yellow ray, or is it more like late yellow ray? Just my thoughts, I can see that example as something that would happen on a planet that is getting close to fully transitioning into 4D. When I think about history, I can't really imagine someone (especially a male like me) being affected too much by human tenderness. I think that this is evidenced by the increased prevalence of war and general aggressiveness in the past.

(05-07-2015, 02:11 PM)Jade Wrote: To be harvestable you have to vibrate in the heart chakra. I answer you because I think that's what you are, too.

Quote:34.10 Questioner: If an entity were to be strongly biased toward positive societal effects, what would this do to his yellow ray in the aura as opposed to an entity who wanted to create an empire of society and govern it with an iron fist? What would be the difference in the yellow-ray activity of these two entities?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us take two such positively oriented active souls no longer in your physical time/space. The one known as Albert, who went into a strange and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity spent much green-ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your instrument known as the organ. This entity’s yellow ray was bright and crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant nature as well. The higher levels, as you may call them, being activated, the lower, as you may call them, energy points remain, in a balanced being, quite, quite bright.

The other example is the entity, Martin. This entity dealt in a great degree with rather negative orange-ray and yellow-ray vibratory patterns. However, this entity was able to keep open the green-ray energy and due to the severity of its testing, if anything, this entity may be seen to have polarized more towards the positive due to its fidelity to service to others in the face of great catalyst.

(05-09-2015, 12:24 AM)Lighthead Wrote: Tan.rar, I have a more nuanced question. Let's say that you were to view the chakras as a color spectrum as Ra so often does. And let's take that instance of someone who is emotionally affected by a human act of tenderness such as the one I mentioned previously. You say that that is an instance of yellow ray; what part of yellow ray? Is it mid yellow ray, or is it more like late yellow ray? Just my thoughts, I can see that example as something that would happen on a planet that is getting close to fully transitioning into 4D. When I think about history, I can't really imagine someone (especially a male like me) being affected too much by human tenderness. I think that this is evidenced by the increased prevalence of war and general aggressiveness in the past.

(05-09-2015, 02:02 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-09-2015, 12:24 AM)Lighthead Wrote: Tan.rar, I have a more nuanced question. Let's say that you were to view the chakras as a color spectrum as Ra so often does. And let's take that instance of someone who is emotionally affected by a human act of tenderness such as the one I mentioned previously. You say that that is an instance of yellow ray; what part of yellow ray? Is it mid yellow ray, or is it more like late yellow ray? Just my thoughts, I can see that example as something that would happen on a planet that is getting close to fully transitioning into 4D. When I think about history, I can't really imagine someone (especially a male like me) being affected too much by human tenderness. I think that this is evidenced by the increased prevalence of war and general aggressiveness in the past.

I would actually turn your attention to the book Fingerprint of the Gods by Graham Hancock whom in his explorations through South America and its correlations with Egypt discovered there is a consistent image and tale of 'feeling men', represented by statues of them with tears in their eyes, as leaders who came to civilize those people. Viracocha is one of the names.

I believe there are two kind of levels where this could occur. One is lower spectrum relating more to orange-ray whereby one still identifies with the tribe or group as the self, and so any thing which affects the tribe will also affect the self. That sort of empathy I believe is natural and instinctual, I believe there are animals which feel empathy when they see that another is in harm. You can tell as an example by house pets whom are attentive or give care when one is ill or feeling down or hurt.

There is then the next type or level which would be that of the higher yellow and going in to green-way which of course deals with universal love and compassion. I would actually suggest that empathy takes place more and first on the lower yellow-ray level, whereas the green-ray is more a matter of how that empathy is dealt with or experienced. Hence we would have polarized use of empathy in that some, with green, will open with love and compassion, others will not even though they experience the empathy.

I think the type of experience where you are empathic to tenderness is actually of the lower yellow area. I think this is because we are able to identify ourselves with the tenderness and the feelings involved and so 'share' the feeling with whomever we are observing. Hence, it is an emotional type of communication. The actual empathy would pertain to the lower yellow, but then of course one's own feelings and the acceptance thereof would be worked through in green as one strives to unconditionally love both oneself and the other. You could perhaps see it as more likely for one who is active in the heart to embrace the feelings they are experiencing.

(05-09-2015, 04:20 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(05-09-2015, 12:24 AM)Lighthead Wrote: Tan.rar, I have a more nuanced question. Let's say that you were to view the chakras as a color spectrum as Ra so often does. And let's take that instance of someone who is emotionally affected by a human act of tenderness such as the one I mentioned previously. You say that that is an instance of yellow ray; what part of yellow ray? Is it mid yellow ray, or is it more like late yellow ray? Just my thoughts, I can see that example as something that would happen on a planet that is getting close to fully transitioning into 4D. When I think about history, I can't really imagine someone (especially a male like me) being affected too much by human tenderness. I think that this is evidenced by the increased prevalence of war and general aggressiveness in the past.

My heart gets tender at this scene of Starman every time.

(05-09-2015, 08:51 PM)Lighthead Wrote:

(05-09-2015, 02:02 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-09-2015, 12:24 AM)Lighthead Wrote: Tan.rar, I have a more nuanced question. Let's say that you were to view the chakras as a color spectrum as Ra so often does. And let's take that instance of someone who is emotionally affected by a human act of tenderness such as the one I mentioned previously. You say that that is an instance of yellow ray; what part of yellow ray? Is it mid yellow ray, or is it more like late yellow ray? Just my thoughts, I can see that example as something that would happen on a planet that is getting close to fully transitioning into 4D. When I think about history, I can't really imagine someone (especially a male like me) being affected too much by human tenderness. I think that this is evidenced by the increased prevalence of war and general aggressiveness in the past.

I would actually turn your attention to the book Fingerprint of the Gods by Graham Hancock whom in his explorations through South America and its correlations with Egypt discovered there is a consistent image and tale of 'feeling men', represented by statues of them with tears in their eyes, as leaders who came to civilize those people. Viracocha is one of the names.

I believe there are two kind of levels where this could occur. One is lower spectrum relating more to orange-ray whereby one still identifies with the tribe or group as the self, and so any thing which affects the tribe will also affect the self. That sort of empathy I believe is natural and instinctual, I believe there are animals which feel empathy when they see that another is in harm. You can tell as an example by house pets whom are attentive or give care when one is ill or feeling down or hurt.

There is then the next type or level which would be that of the higher yellow and going in to green-way which of course deals with universal love and compassion. I would actually suggest that empathy takes place more and first on the lower yellow-ray level, whereas the green-ray is more a matter of how that empathy is dealt with or experienced. Hence we would have polarized use of empathy in that some, with green, will open with love and compassion, others will not even though they experience the empathy.

I think the type of experience where you are empathic to tenderness is actually of the lower yellow area. I think this is because we are able to identify ourselves with the tenderness and the feelings involved and so 'share' the feeling with whomever we are observing. Hence, it is an emotional type of communication. The actual empathy would pertain to the lower yellow, but then of course one's own feelings and the acceptance thereof would be worked through in green as one strives to unconditionally love both oneself and the other. You could perhaps see it as more likely for one who is active in the heart to embrace the feelings they are experiencing.

I like your point about unconditional love. I seem to struggle with that. I seem to only feel love for others that show vulnerability and weakness. But when people seem to only want to get their way and could care less about others, I struggle with feeling love for those types of people. Even when they are people that are from an "oppressed" group.

(05-11-2015, 02:53 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-09-2015, 08:51 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I like your point about unconditional love. I seem to struggle with that. I seem to only feel love for others that show vulnerability and weakness. But when people seem to only want to get their way and could care less about others, I struggle with feeling love for those types of people. Even when they are people that are from an "oppressed" group.

If you ask me, that is more like sympathy or empathy, which is of course related to love but as you say not always 'unconditional love'.

Consider this:

All seeking for power is rooted in powerlessness.
All seeking for love is rooted in lack of love.
All seeking for wisdom is rooted in ignorance.
All seeking for beauty is in feelings of ugliness.
All seeking for control is in a feeling of being out of control.

You see then, that those who only want their way and could care less about others are the ones who are most intoxicated by the illusion. Those whom need the most sympathy for they are consumed by their lacks and their desires. I am fascinated by villains and anti-hero types so I always look at their motivation. Pretty much all 'evil attitudes' are rooted in some kind of perceived lack - whether that lack is a result of something the person sees missing from themselves, or a lack of that which one feels entitled to. In the end, these people are the greatest slaves for they have enslaved themselves.

Have you ever watched a film with a villain whom became a villain because of horrible things that happened to them? When you think of the villain, do you only think of them after they 'became evil' or do you consider 'why' they are doing what they are doing? There are opportunities for compassion everywhere, not just in the obvious, the meek and the mild, but truly even the hardest of hearts are holding on to the deepest levels of pain. It is these hearts that I feel could use some love.

(05-11-2015, 03:51 PM)Lighthead Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 02:53 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-09-2015, 08:51 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I like your point about unconditional love. I seem to struggle with that. I seem to only feel love for others that show vulnerability and weakness. But when people seem to only want to get their way and could care less about others, I struggle with feeling love for those types of people. Even when they are people that are from an "oppressed" group.

If you ask me, that is more like sympathy or empathy, which is of course related to love but as you say not always 'unconditional love'.

Consider this:

All seeking for power is rooted in powerlessness.
All seeking for love is rooted in lack of love.
All seeking for wisdom is rooted in ignorance.
All seeking for beauty is in feelings of ugliness.
All seeking for control is in a feeling of being out of control.

You see then, that those who only want their way and could care less about others are the ones who are most intoxicated by the illusion. Those whom need the most sympathy for they are consumed by their lacks and their desires. I am fascinated by villains and anti-hero types so I always look at their motivation. Pretty much all 'evil attitudes' are rooted in some kind of perceived lack - whether that lack is a result of something the person sees missing from themselves, or a lack of that which one feels entitled to. In the end, these people are the greatest slaves for they have enslaved themselves.

Have you ever watched a film with a villain whom became a villain because of horrible things that happened to them? When you think of the villain, do you only think of them after they 'became evil' or do you consider 'why' they are doing what they are doing? There are opportunities for compassion everywhere, not just in the obvious, the meek and the mild, but truly even the hardest of hearts are holding on to the deepest levels of pain. It is these hearts that I feel could use some love.

I also am fascinated by villains, but I'm not sure if I've deconstructed their motivation in quite the way you have. After reading the Ra material, I seem to always struggle with this question: how does one differentiate between someone who is harvestable STS and who is sane with someone who is a negative-type of person who is sick and most likely had a traumatic event happened to them that influenced them to be that way? If the harvestable STS person has consciously decided to serve themselves, wouldn't that make them sick in universal, greater terms? My case for them being sick in greater terms is because they have chosen to delude themselves with the idea that they are separate from everything.

I just get so confused when I think of Ra's concept of STS. I can easily understand STO, but I get easily caught when I try to understand the essence of that which is STS. I find it hard to understand what makes it a viable concept. I think that when I finally come to understand it, I will have unlocked the door to something greater within myself.

Quote:19.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.