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RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Shemaya - 03-10-2015
About the Ra quote ( perfect quote btw), I think that as we become more aligned with love/ light for sure, it makes total sense, that our desires become love/ light as well. The desires of our hearts, when our distortions are cleared and resolved, become the unity, joy, love and light that is our true nature.
Those on the dark path are disconnected from their hearts and disconnected from love and unity, but there are so few people that have actually chosen the dark path. I think most people want to connect to love and light, but don't understand or know how.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - AnthroHeart - 03-10-2015
(03-10-2015, 05:41 PM)Shemaya Wrote: I think most people want to connect to love and light, but don't understand or know how.
Because of the veil, I can only hope that I am doing it right.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Shemaya - 03-10-2015
(03-10-2015, 05:43 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(03-10-2015, 05:41 PM)Shemaya Wrote: I think most people want to connect to love and light, but don't understand or know how.
Because of the veil, I can only hope that I am doing it right.
You spend a lot of time connecting to love and light here on the forums, so it sure looks that you are, Gem
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - AnthroHeart - 03-10-2015
:idea: Thanks, that means a lot.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Minyatur - 03-11-2015
Eating meat is not necessary, it is a chosen experience.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Diana - 03-11-2015
(03-09-2015, 08:16 PM)Shemaya Wrote:(03-09-2015, 07:59 PM)Diana Wrote: Are you saying a person should just indulge every whim?
No, I said TLC, which is tender loving care. Do you think TLC is indulging every whim? I don't.
No, I don't. You are the one who said "willful control will hamper the joyful self." I was responding to that.
I am not sure why, but you seem to willfully misunderstand my words a lot (I say willfully because you seem to be an intelligent person). And I am very careful about how I craft my posts.
In general, I accept that my opinions aren't popular here. No problem. I'm quite used to that, and I don't need validation. I come here to discuss things. I like to discuss, and if anyone wants to counter something I say, that's great. I am not rigid and I have no beliefs. I do, however, have opinions and working theories, derived from deep thought and consideration.
The idea of acceptance is a ubiquitous subject on this forum, especially in the threads dealing with meat-eating—acceptance of those who choose to eat animals. I would like to propose that my opinions be accepted as opinions, and that I not be accused (directly or indirectly) of trying to control anyone else's free will.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Shemaya - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 12:25 PM)Diana Wrote:(03-09-2015, 08:16 PM)Shemaya Wrote:(03-09-2015, 07:59 PM)Diana Wrote: Are you saying a person should just indulge every whim?
No, I said TLC, which is tender loving care. Do you think TLC is indulging every whim? I don't.
No, I don't. You are the one who said "willful control will hamper the joyful self." I was responding to that.
I am not sure why, but you seem to willfully misunderstand my words a lot (I say willfully because you seem to be an intelligent person). And I am very careful about how I craft my posts.
In general, I accept that my opinions aren't popular here. No problem. I'm quite used to that, and I don't need validation. I come here to discuss things. I like to discuss, and if anyone wants to counter something I say, that's great. I am not rigid and I have no beliefs. I do, however, have opinions and working theories, derived from deep thought and consideration.
The idea of acceptance is a ubiquitous subject on this forum, especially in the threads dealing with meat-eating—acceptance of those who choose to eat animals. I would like to propose that my opinions be accepted as opinions, and that I not be accused (directly or indirectly) of trying to control anyone else's free will.
Diana, I was just answering your question directly. How is that misunderstanding?
As far as intelligence, I had to look up 'ubiquitous', so I will let you be the judge of whether I am intelligent
. Just because I seem that way doesn't mean I am 
And I would disagree, I think your opinions are popular here. Granted, the threads like this one have gotten contentious in the past but isn't that to be expected? I think your opinions are very accepted....I also think that many people who read them and agree with your opinions choose to not respond or participate in these contentious topics. If you mean your opinion about addictions and indulging them or controlling them, all I said was I disagreed with the approach of control. I feel it is better to address the underlying distortion that leads to an addiction.
Who is accusing you of trying to control someone's free will? If I said that then I am definitely wrong.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Matt1 - 03-18-2015
Many famous cases of Rainbow body in Tibet have happened and the diet there is mostly pork and yak butter.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Lighthead - 03-19-2015
(03-09-2015, 11:09 AM)Diana Wrote:(03-08-2015, 05:30 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: To put it simply, in my experience, the answer is NO!
And what is your experience? Are you a 4D individual?
I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned about "graduation." It reminds me of the educational system today, where kids study to pass tests by cramming facts (and don't really learn) so they can graduate and get into a good college. It also reminds me of Christians who follow rules so they can get into heaven.
I agree with Minyatur and Gemini that it is what you feel or think that is the issue. Why are so many in this forum bringing up the idea of eating meat? I think it's fine to do so, but what I think one must ask one's self is this: How do I really FEEL about eating animals, and listen to your heart.
For me, eating animals, whom I consider to be my sisters and brothers, is simply not something I can do, for so many reasons. That's how I feel.
Well said!! Very intelligent post. I think that polarization should be something that comes naturally (if it all). Not something that's forced. I'm not trying to revive a thread that is pretty much dead, but I created a thread about this same topic here.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Monica - 03-20-2015
(03-08-2015, 05:30 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: To put it simply, in my experience, the answer is NO!
Does any negatively polarizing choice preclude graduation to 4D?
Graduation is based on the sum total of one's polarizing choices.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Jim Kent + - 03-20-2015
(03-20-2015, 01:51 PM)Monica Wrote:(03-08-2015, 05:30 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: To put it simply, in my experience, the answer is NO!
Does any negatively polarizing choice preclude graduation to 4D?
Graduation is based on the sum total of one's polarizing choices.
Greetings Monica,
I cannot and would not disagree with you regarding what you wrote above!
Jim
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Monica - 03-20-2015
(03-20-2015, 03:25 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: I cannot and would not disagree with you regarding what you wrote above!
I'm glad we agree on that! No one can equivocally say that any action or choice precludes graduation, since we know it's based on the sum total. Plus, we also know that intention plays a role, and intention isn't quantifiable.
A more compelling question might be:
How is our polarity affected when we knowingly, consciously decline opportunities to open our hearts to compassion and service to others?
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RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Shemaya - 03-21-2015
(03-20-2015, 06:42 PM)Monica Wrote:(03-20-2015, 03:25 PM)Jim Kent + Wrote: I cannot and would not disagree with you regarding what you wrote above!
I'm glad we agree on that! No one can equivocally say that any action or choice precludes graduation, since we know it's based on the sum total. Plus, we also know that intention plays a role, and intention isn't quantifiable.
A more compelling question might be:
How is our polarity affected when we knowingly, consciously decline opportunities to open our hearts to compassion and service to others?
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It depends on how often a person knowingly declines the compassionate choice.
If a person makes 100 choices in the day and 97 are compassionate/ service to others choices, then that person, on that day is polarizing highly positively.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
I don't DO much other than eat meat, but I have a pretty positive attitude about it.
In my thinking is a balance between negative and positive.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Monica - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 09:34 AM)Shemaya Wrote:(03-20-2015, 06:42 PM)Monica Wrote: A more compelling question might be:
How is our polarity affected when we knowingly, consciously decline opportunities to open our hearts to compassion and service to others?
It depends on how often a person knowingly declines the compassionate choice.
If a person makes 100 choices in the day and 97 are compassionate/ service to others choices, then that person, on that day is polarizing highly positively.
Perhaps. But it might not just be in the numbers. Another factor might be the strength of each choice, and the amount of effort, will and focus it takes to make that choice.
For example, I used to have a really strong spider phobia. I was absolutely terrified of spiders!
Some years ago, when I started gardening, I decided to make peace with spiders. Instead of squashing them when I found one in the house, I caught them and took them outside. At that time, my choice to take them outside probably carried a lot of weight, since it was so hard for me to do that.
Now, many years later, I take them outside routinely. It's no longer any big deal. So I would speculate that my choosing to take a spider outside 100 times now, would carry less weight than taking one outside just once did, 20 years ago. My single action 20 years ago was more polarizing than 100 such actions now.
Another example: I routinely give money to the homeless people on the street corner. I don't give a lot of money, but I give what I can, based on how much cash is in my pocket. I usually talk to them a bit too. I look them in the eyes, recognizing them as other-selves, and ask them how they are doing, what got them into this situation. They usually light up and tell me a bit about themselves. I get the impression that they don't get asked that much. Then I tell them that I hope their situation improves.
This, too, is just normal to me. I don't think it's particularly polarizing, because it's just a normal part of my day. For a really poor person to give her last dollar, it would probably be much more positively polarizing than it is for me. Or someone who has resentment towards homeless people, or a strong political view about homeless people on the side of the street - for them to do the very same thing I did, would likely be much more polarizing for them than it is for me.
Me being vegan is now just a normal part of my life. My choosing to eat lentil soup instead of fish is no longer particularly polarizing, I'm guessing, because that was a choice I made long ago, and it's now just a normal part of life. But for someone who is still conflicted about eating fish, or who has just recently opened their eyes to fish as other-selves, to make that same choice, might be much more polarizing than it is for me.
Conversely, it seems to me that making the choice to decline an opportunity for compassion would be much more negatively polarizing for someone who is aware, than for someone who isn't aware. For example, for me to drive past that homeless guy, or squash that spider, would be much more negatively polarizing for me, because I know better.
As Edgar Cayce said, With ability comes responsibility.
This is just speculation but it makes sense to me, that the amount of polarizing depends a lot on the individual circumstances, and what was involved in making that choice. I just don't think it's so easily quantifiable.
If we pretend that it is quantifiable, ie. make trade-offs, such as "Oh I'll go ahead and squash that spider because I gave a dollar to 5 homeless guys today" then that would probably actually be negatively polarizing, because we'd be trying to manipulate the system, instead of just being in the moment, finding the love, and choosing compassion in that moment.
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RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Shemaya - 03-21-2015
Here is a good example of a farmer who is waking people up to the alternative to our current system of enslavement regarding food and our choices. The current slave system wants to have total control of our choice, making illegal, for example, to sell pickles to a neighbor.
Joe Salatin's approach is holistic with the goal of preserving our " ecological womb". Very respectful of earth/ Gaia and the natives of this beautiful planet.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 10:58 AM)Shemaya Wrote: Here is a good example of a farmer who is waking people up to the alternative to our current system of enslavement regarding food and our choices. The current slave system wants to have total control of our choice, making illegal, for example, to sell pickles to a neighbor.
Joe Salatin's approach is holistic with the goal of preserving our " ecological womb". Very respectful of earth/ Gaia and the natives of this beautiful planet.
Makes me want to buy his book. Which book is it again?
Of course I have to get through a Dolores Cannon book first. I've slacked.
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Shemaya - 03-21-2015
The book is called " Folks this ain't normal". I haven't read it. The video just came in my e-mail today, and I thought it was pertinent to this discussion.
I see Joel's work as positively influencing 4D awareness.
Here is a review of the book I found on Amazon, which confirms what I thought.
"Why do I love this book? There are so many reasons. It's a book I was not able to put down or stop thinking about. It made me feel frustrated and hopeful all at the same time. It is funny and insightful. I care about my food and how it is raised. I want my kids to be allergy free and play in the woods. I want to curl up next to a real wood fire after a long day of working hard and sweating. I want to eat eggs from happy chickens that I raise free from corn and gmo soy. This book makes me feel like those things are possible. It was a paradigm shift for me. I hope a lot of people read this book and take up the fight for the small local farm."
RE: Does eating meat preclude graduation to 4th D STO? - Monica - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 10:58 AM)Shemaya Wrote: Here is a good example of a farmer who is waking people up to the alternative to our current system of enslavement regarding food and our choices. The current slave system wants to have total control of our choice, making illegal, for example, to sell pickles to a neighbor.
Joe Salatin's approach is holistic with the goal of preserving our " ecological womb". Very respectful of earth/ Gaia and the natives of this beautiful planet.
Yes, that farmer is clearly starting to wake up!
Here is another farmer who has awakened:
http://suprememastertv.com/aw/?wr_id=425
http://farmkind.org/
Harold Brown
Quote:Farm Kind was founded to be a place where everyone can come to learn about issues concerning our food, how it is produced, and the many complex connections it has to our world and our lives.
Who and what is Farm Kind? Farm Kind was founded by myself, Harold Brown. Some folks call me Farmer Brown. I was born on a family farm and spent half of my life in agriculture. This includes three years working in the dairy industry. Growing up a farm kid gave me a rich experience that few people have the benefit of knowing these days. It taught me the value of community, of hard work, and that our personal choices have everything to do with the world we create.
This website is intended to be a resource for farmers who want to make the transition from animal based to plant based agriculture, for consumers to learn a different perspective on how food is produced, to help those who desire to reconnect with the land and become farmers, to support local food production, environmental and social justice issues, the rights of all living beings to be co-cohabitants of this planet, and how these things have everything to do with creating the peaceful world that all beings desire.
Does this website hold all of the answers? Not at all, but we all need to start some place and like the old saying goes, the longest journey begins with a single step.
Like anything worthwhile, learning new information or a different perspective is hard work and can really challenge us emotionally, intellectually, and even spiritually. I kind of think about it like digging a ditch or postholes. At the beginning of the day I would dread the prospect of the toil but once I started I found a rhythm, a flow to the work. It went from being drudgery to being a type of moving meditation where I was able to contemplate many things and learn how to most efficiently use my body. It started with a single movement and led to a sense of inner peace.
Join me on this journey, this work in progress, and see where it takes us.
Peace,
Farmer Brown
And another. This one's rather passionate, about the environmental repercussions:
Fred Lundgren
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