(01-02-2015, 11:18 PM)Melinsky Wrote: perhaps it's not about quantity of incarnations though.. but ratio....?

... so (ie if of 10 Earth lives the Wanderer has had 7 that are female and this life they are in male biology... they are homosexual...

Quote:.....or is it that all Wanderers are here on Earth for their first time (and only time)?

(I'm still learning...)

Quote:70.15 Questioner: I think to try and clear up this point I’m going to ask a few questions that are related that will possibly enable me to understand this better because I am really confused about this and I think it is a very important point in understanding the creation and the Creator in general, you might say. If a Wanderer of fourth, fifth, or sixth density dies from this third-density state in which we presently find ourselves, does he then find himself in third-density time/space after death?
Ra: I am Ra. This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the Council of Nine. Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is complete the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.

(12-21-2014, 04:40 AM)Charles Wrote: I figure that androgyny is Reality. That One Is All. And that therefore homosexuals are closer to Reality than the rest of us.
And that they were brave souls, agreeing to incarnate in societies where they may become a scorned minority.
So sure, they may or may not be Wanderers, here to experience and teach.
I am straight by the way, but I have a true respect for those who made this soul decision.

Quote:31.8 Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. (translation: having many incarnations as male and female is not the necessary condition for someone to be homosexual, the additional difficulty in the earthly environment makes it happen) There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.

Quote:31.9 Questioner: Why does density of population create these confusions?
Ra: I am Ra. The bisexual reproductive urge has as its goal, not only the simple reproductive function, but more especially the desire to serve others being awakened by this activity.

In an over-crowded situation where each mind/body/spirit complex is under a constant bombardment from other-selves it is understandable that those who are especially sensitive would not feel the desire to be of service to other-selves. This also would increase the probability of a lack of desire or a blockage of the red-ray reproductive energy.

In an uncrowded atmosphere this same entity would, through the stimulus of feeling the solitude about it, then have much more desire to seek out someone to whom it may be of service thus regularizing the sexual reproductive function.

Quote:32.9 Questioner: I am assuming from what we have previously looked at… we have on Earth today and have had in the past fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density Wanderers. As they come into incarnation in the physical of this density for a period as a Wanderer, what types of polarizations with respect to these various rays do they find affecting them? Can you tell me that?
Ra: I am Ra. I believe I grasp the thrust of your query. Please ask further if this answer is not sufficient.

Fourth-density Wanderers, of which there are not many, will tend to choose those entities which seem to be full of love or in need of love. There is the great possibility/probability of entities making errors in judgment due to the compassion with which other-selves are viewed.

The fifth-density Wanderer is one who is not tremendously affected by the stimulus of the various rays of other-self and in its own way offers itself when a need is seen. Such entities are not likely to engage in the, shall we say, custom of your peoples called marriage and are very likely to feel an aversion to childbearing and child-raising due to the awareness of the impropriety of the planetary vibrations relative to the harmonious vibrations of the density of light.

The sixth-density, whose means of propagation you may liken to what you call fusion, is likely to refrain, to a great extent, from the bisexual reproductive programming of the bodily complex and instead seek out those with whom the sexual energy transfer is of the complete fusion nature insofar as this is possible in manifestation in third density.

(07-18-2016, 08:50 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: Hey Chandlesdad,

I understand where you're coming from. I didn't understand what Ra said when I first read it. But from your story, Ra had said that green Ray energy transfer is possible within homosexual relationships. Green Ray transfer being quite rare within gay  relationships (and from experience and observation I believe this to be true).

Ra isn't infallible. Ra has often made "mistakes" because of their relatively harmonious third density experience. Ra didn't experience much of what Earth has/is gone/going through.
Ra's answer could have been questioned further. I  think Don was satisfied with Ra's answer. But Ra has much to say, and only speaks when asked. So we got a less than satisfactory answer, but we don't need A definitive answer. The looking within is quite helpful!

Homosexuality also seems to provide great catalyst for ourselves and others in opening the heart center in acceptance and understanding. Is this coincidence? I think not. (Think about it) There are no mistakes, only surprises

In conclusion, I believe that there is more to it than we can see. We have the veil of forgetting which makes it hard to see. From first hand experience, I understand the frustration with being a gay man and being a good loving person who just happens to be sexually attracted to the same sex. And the social prejudices and biases that are based in ignorance coming from the general population. Our third density isn't harmonious. and it is frustrating to be misunderstood for simply being who we are.

To bring it full circle, this is why we have wanderers incarnating on Earth: because Earth humanity is having a difficult time at harvest. Our experience is dealing with some truly positives, truly negatives, and then the vast sinkhole of indifference. Humans who don't take responsibility and do the work to activate the green Ray chakra of unconditional love and acceptance and understanding. We can lead a horse to water, but we can't make him drink.

(07-18-2016, 02:44 PM)Chandlersdad Wrote:

(07-18-2016, 08:50 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: Hey Chandlesdad,

I understand where you're coming from. I didn't understand what Ra said when I first read it. But from your story, Ra had said that green Ray energy transfer is possible within homosexual relationships. Green Ray transfer being quite rare within gay  relationships (and from experience and observation I believe this to be true).

Ra isn't infallible. Ra has often made "mistakes" because of their relatively harmonious third density experience. Ra didn't experience much of what Earth has/is gone/going through.
Ra's answer could have been questioned further. I  think Don was satisfied with Ra's answer. But Ra has much to say, and only speaks when asked. So we got a less than satisfactory answer, but we don't need A definitive answer. The looking within is quite helpful!

Homosexuality also seems to provide great catalyst for ourselves and others in opening the heart center in acceptance and understanding. Is this coincidence? I think not. (Think about it) There are no mistakes, only surprises

In conclusion, I believe that there is more to it than we can see. We have the veil of forgetting which makes it hard to see. From first hand experience, I understand the frustration with being a gay man and being a good loving person who just happens to be sexually attracted to the same sex. And the social prejudices and biases that are based in ignorance coming from the general population. Our third density isn't harmonious. and it is frustrating to be misunderstood for simply being who we are.

To bring it full circle, this is why we have wanderers incarnating on Earth: because Earth humanity is having a difficult time at harvest. Our experience is dealing with some truly positives, truly negatives, and then the vast sinkhole of indifference. Humans who don't take responsibility and do the work to activate the green Ray chakra of unconditional love and acceptance and understanding. We can lead a horse to water, but we can't make him drink.

I appreciate everything you said very much, and thank you for posting it  However, I would disagree with you that green ray energy transfer is rare in gay relationships. I am 64 years old and lived most of my life in San Francisco, a gay mecca. One time I mentioned to a friend that I did not see much kindness or compassion in gay people. My friend asked me what I meant. I said that when I passed gay men on the street (in the Castro District where a lot of gay men lived) they were not friendly. My friend then said something that stuck with me for decades. He said "The streets of San Francisco are tough and hard, since it is a large city. But each individual you see may have a lot of love to give. They just do not display it on the street".  Since then I have known hundreds of gay men. Some of them are very flaky people, but considering the hatred and lies they have to deal with their entire lives, I am surprised that more gay men aren't psychotically insane! But I have met a huge number of committed couples who are very much in love. Sexual orientation is irrelevant in terms of an individual's capacity to LOVE FREELY.  Bear in mind that 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce within 5 years. That is not a very good track record for the sharing of love and a sense of service to others. In fact, I find a lot of heterosexual couples seem to have the attitude towards marriage of "What can I get out of it?" In other words, they have a service to SELF orientation towards marriage. This is bound to fail in a legal relationship that is assumed to be based on love for the other. LOVE IS NOT RARE IN GAY MEN. I know gay couples who have been together 50 years! Many gay men are partaking of legal gay marriage now. Let us hope their orientation is to "What can I GIVE to the relationship rather than What can I TAKE".  I have found that many gay men have very large hearts. If they do not portray it in public, that is probably a protective mechanism.

Again, I do believe that Ra's rather ignorant comments about homosexuality came from Carla. The world has changed drastically in its understanding and acceptance (two key Ra words) of gay people. Carla came from an earlier generation that probably had the most crude image of gay people based on religious lies. The idea that homosexuality comes from crowded urban situations is so laughable that I almost threw the Ra books in the trash! There are several types of people who study Ra. There are those people who earnestly need something to believe in 100%. These are the type that would otherwise "cling to the old rugged cross" of Christianity in a very fundamentalist dogmatic fashion. For some reason, these people have rejected that belief system but wish to give the same unquestioning faith to Ra. Such people scare and bore me. They quote Ra verse by verse as if they are quoting a Bible. They are not open to the possibility that what Ra said on a human topic may be a crock of s***! (As the homosexuality session is). The other type person is like me. I have been exposed to many different metaphysical and spiritual belief systems in my life. I do not come to Ra for blind belief. I come to Ra for intellectual stimulation, to provide food for thought and nothing more. Even Ra said somewhere that we should take what works and dump the rest. I do not need an infallible voice form the cosmos to guide me. A major lesson of being gay is that such institutional voices are very often wrong. This includes Ra. However, I enjoy Ra for the intellectual challenge of understanding his point of view.

(07-17-2016, 09:01 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: I'm homosexual and I consider myself a wanderer. I don't feel attached to the "identity" though. (As I wrote this a tiny little white feather landed in front of my face)

I don't think being homosexual and a wanderer are incompatible at all. First, because we have many incarnations as male or female. I love being a man, but I can easily tune into feminine energy. (Probably because I've had a lot of experience with it) And the Earth right now is very crowded. Ra's explanation makes sense.
(The poster above me detailed it excellently, thank you!)

I also don't fit in with the gay men who are Earth natives. I have yet to find a man who is a serious spiritual seeker who I can share my path with as companions. The sharing of one's life is not too common for gay men.

I feel like being homosexual is appropriate for me in this incarnation. It's serving me well on my path. (I don't want kids, I feel my child is my spiritual path) I also feel that the Union of male and female is sacramental. It's just not for me at this time on Earth.

**edit: I am reading the Law of One and came across a description that speaks to me about this topic:

Quote:32.9 Questioner: I am assuming from what we have previously looked at… we have on Earth today and have had in the past fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density Wanderers. As they come into incarnation in the physical of this density for a period as a Wanderer, what types of polarizations with respect to these various rays do they find affecting them? Can you tell me that?
Ra: I am Ra. I believe I grasp the thrust of your query. Please ask further if this answer is not sufficient.

Fourth-density Wanderers, of which there are not many, will tend to choose those entities which seem to be full of love or in need of love. There is the great possibility/probability of entities making errors in judgment due to the compassion with which other-selves are viewed.

The fifth-density Wanderer is one who is not tremendously affected by the stimulus of the various rays of other-self and in its own way offers itself when a need is seen. Such entities are not likely to engage in the, shall we say, custom of your peoples called marriage and are very likely to feel an aversion to childbearing and child-raising due to the awareness of the impropriety of the planetary vibrations relative to the harmonious vibrations of the density of light.

The sixth-density, whose means of propagation you may liken to what you call fusion, is likely to refrain, to a great extent, from the bisexual reproductive programming of the bodily complex and instead seek out those with whom the sexual energy transfer is of the complete fusion nature insofar as this is possible in manifestation in third density.