(09-27-2011, 11:19 AM)drifting pages Wrote: Hi Gimini

What does moving towards a pure vibration entail to you ?

For example, to me pure vibration means single mindness towards a particular range, it may be the rage spectrum, fear, jealousy, it doesn't matter as long it is 99% or more. That is "pure vibration"

The same thing can be said for love, hope, faith, belief, passion, ecstasy etc.

But i suspect when you say pure vibration what you mean is Single mindness towards wanted vibratory states.

Towards what you consider "good" in the dance of "creation' ?

Is that what you mean ?

Did i just answer my own question or am i out of sync here ?

(09-27-2011, 06:18 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm learning the pure vibration is who I truly am, good, bad and ugly, without judgment.

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(09-24-2011, 01:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The way I look at it, we don't start here with a blank slate - we have the potential (polarization) available from past learning. We have a pre-incarnative 'program' which addresses our polarizing and balancing needs by creating biases and dispositions to find certain modes of behavior compelling. That program of study is the basic work. However, the more conscious we are of our lives, the more effective we can be in our work. Learning who you are, in a non-abstract sense, can polarize to a point where there may be such an opening. Apparently that the interpretation of the experience is based on one's valuing system, which itself goes through stages of development. Apparently, on a single life experience, polarization only roughly follows mental/emotional maturity. So one may interpret the (peak/enlightenment) experience differently based on that level of integration.

Once one has that taste, one can not go back - there is no where to hide - one is naked but at the same time 'the cup is full'. There is no true suffering as 'it' supports everything with the genuine connection of an essential nature that is 'infinite'. Because you and society are basically the same thing, on such a foundation, everyone's suffering is seen to be self induced and unnecessary (because the infinite nature trumps circumstantial reactions which people tend to dwell upon). So these difficulties starkly become immediately evaluated as the lessons which they are. And the focus is on how we deal with situations, not how we became victims of situations (as so many here want to focus upon for some reason).

I see "me" as a blank slate. The potential and the program are things I see as 'what the energy did when it met up with this physical vehicle'. I don't think being conscious of our life makes us more effective in "our work" (unsure of what that means).

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I do think knowing who you are can make you more effective in consciously creating awareness effects of the situations you find yourself in, thus manipulating societal mind.

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(09-24-2011, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: What is eliminated (slowly) is our distortions of and from 'Oneness'. Who we are in potential is that complete 'higher-self' being which has attained that state from creating a unique way out of what the archetypal mind (the logos) has provided as a blueprint. The removal of distortions is part of the polarization process.

On top of the archetypal mind we have the racial mind which starts to form our 'experiential nexus'. Once you start getting into that level of bias, 'outsiders' such as Ra can not really figure out what is going on, as there is something truly unique being created (i.e. fashion, rock music, etc) which have various attachments and conditions involved (which 'infect' us). Because the same basic developmental rules apply, the same lessons must be learned (regardless of manner chosen) Ra can always point the way, however. I guess the skill required in doing so is how one may construct a bridge from current attachments to misunderstandings to what is innately known to be genuine.

An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us.

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

Depends on the nature of the experience and the nature of the integration. From one level of experience it is not even possible to perceive another level, so the very opportunity does not exist. The fact that the opportunity does exist, at a later point, after some growth (often involving effort and acceptance) does demonstate that there is a development occuring. Such development has defined stages within a density and accross the densities.

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

Whether or not someone find comfort in their 'taste' is sort of irrelevant isn't it? What is important is learning something.

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us.

We get upset when our projections fail. Some projections are reinforced more than others by the epitomization effect you have noticed. That epitomization effect is a powerful thing, incidentally, as Ra says it can actually manifest thought forms for those wishing them.

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

The racial mind is sort of timeless. It's basically something that collects a potential, just as an individual would over lifetimes. Just what we draw from it is more a manifestation of a particular aspect of it - from just those 'questions' we're currently asking - than what it inherently is. Synchronicity is literally the same process except there is some recognition of the process due to more consciousness being available surrounding 'the question'.

(09-28-2011, 11:17 AM)drifting pages Wrote: Meerie is right, i am a guy.
With a ghost vagina sometimes perhaps.

And now i will let this thread go back on topic

(09-28-2011, 11:17 AM)drifting pages Wrote: Meerie is right, i am a guy.
With a ghost vagina sometimes perhaps.

And now i will let this thread go back on topic

(09-28-2011, 08:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

Depends on the nature of the experience and the nature of the integration. From one level of experience it is not even possible to perceive another level, so the very opportunity does not exist. The fact that the opportunity does exist, at a later point, after some growth (often involving effort and acceptance) does demonstate that there is a development occuring. Such development has defined stages within a density and accross the densities.

Again, I don't think there are 'levels' or 'development'. I think there is only circumstance. Seeing one entity's circumstance as time oriented, development over moments of time, or accumulated experience that is broader than previously known is what I call a personal bias that contributes to one's sense of 'accomplishment.' In the end, growth itself is an illusion. IMO.

(09-28-2011, 08:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

Whether or not someone find comfort in their 'taste' is sort of irrelevant isn't it? What is important is learning something.

What I'm saying is that people develop 'taste', as you put it. "To be learning something" is a flavor.

(09-28-2011, 08:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Why is it important to be learning something?
One person thinks it good and relevant. One person thinks it a waste of time. Both end up at a new circumstantial surrounding daily... and then death.

(09-28-2011, 08:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us.

We get upset when our projections fail. Some projections are reinforced more than others by the epitomization effect you have noticed. That epitomization effect is a powerful thing, incidentally, as Ra says it can actually manifest thought forms for those wishing them.

And that is the way our world works. That is third density. These thought forms are constantly and consistently created whether we THINK we have "mastered" them or not. This is US.

(09-28-2011, 08:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(09-27-2011, 10:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-25-2011, 10:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

The racial mind is sort of timeless. It's basically something that collects a potential, just as an individual would over lifetimes. Just what we draw from it is more a manifestation of a particular aspect of it - from just those 'questions' we're currently asking - than what it inherently is. Synchronicity is literally the same process except there is some recognition of the process due to more consciousness being available surrounding 'the question'.

Conscious or unconscious, we put it out there, and circumstances continue manifesting. The end is change.

(09-28-2011, 10:02 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: "I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind."

(09-28-2011, 10:20 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Key to what? There is nothing to learn. There is just stuff.