(08-27-2011, 12:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote: When personal bias (hope or fear based) - not one's unique 'distortion' - fills in the gaps in understanding, or when desires greatly overextend what is known with what one would like to see. We promote our bias in order to influence and reinforce our own and other's prejudices. Further, we often do this because we perceive that the ends justify the means - this is the 'consequentialist' attitude. That is the dishonest approach, and in this manner we prostitute unconscious. It's a form of lying to oneself, and others, which energizes and only necessitates further fantasy-drama catalyst.

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Confused Wrote: Why cannot spiritual evolution be like play? Why does it have to be so laborious and so nuanced in complexity. Getting tired of all these infinite layers of complexity and the burden of having to live in a world of multiple imposed constrictions.

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

Quote:10.15 Questioner: I was wondering about the advent of the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, when these civilizations occurred, and where did they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of this working. The civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria were not one but two. Let us look first at the Mu entities.

They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately 53,000 of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own.

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Confused Wrote: Why cannot spiritual evolution be like play? Why does it have to be so laborious and so nuanced in complexity. Getting tired of all these infinite layers of complexity and the burden of having to live in a world of multiple imposed constrictions.

(08-27-2011, 12:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote: When personal bias (hope or fear based) - not one's unique 'distortion' - fills in the gaps in understanding, or when desires greatly overextend what is known with what one would like to see.

(08-27-2011, 12:48 PM)Meerie Wrote:

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

May I contradict you there? "life is what happens while you are busy making other plans" John Lennon

(08-27-2011, 01:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Denial about mass death and destruction?

3DMonkey Wrote:Who denies this? It happens.

3DMonkey Wrote:You mean that I don't see it happening to me?

(08-27-2011, 12:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-27-2011, 12:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Also, for the record, a sudden transition does not necessarily imply some sort of cataclysm. That being said, people seem to be in a huge state of denial about mass death and destruction. As if it only happens to other people, in other times. Death, however and whenever it comes, tends to be disruptive to one's "plans" for life. End of story.

If you have such 'plans', you are not living in the present. End of story.

(08-27-2011, 12:48 PM)Confused Wrote: Yes, I think so too. Why did this have to happen if the universe is a loving place, as most of us would generally like to understand 'love' --

(08-27-2011, 01:22 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: So if Ra on two occasions, chose to give the image of the "clock striking upon the hour", they obviously wanted to communicate a certain discreteness to the event. It doesn't make sense to say that, for a being like Ra, maybe the clock striking is like a thousand years... That is all mumbo-jumbo because Ra ALREADY KNOWS this. Ra knows all about the differences in the perception of time between their state of consciousness and ours. So if Ra wanted to convey that the harvest was an ongoing event which took place over a period of a thousand years, they would have said as such.

Quote: With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

(08-27-2011, 03:30 PM)Raman Wrote:

Quote:With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

"this is correct' 'this is incorrect'. Some interpretations are correct some are not. Is not like 'anything else'...

You ask for honesty and then you get upset when people are honest expressing their feelings opinions if do not agree with your point of view?

Reminds me of the temper tantrum you had about Calleman's views. Although maybe you were just being honest expressing your views. But no need to <demand> 'honesty' which I find kind of interesting.

errr...End of story!

Quote:Do a little dance. Make a little love. Get down tonight.

(08-27-2011, 03:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-27-2011, 03:30 PM)Raman Wrote:

Quote:With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

"this is correct' 'this is incorrect'. Some interpretations are correct some are not. Is not like 'anything else'...

You ask for honesty and then you get upset when people are honest expressing their feelings opinions if do not agree with your point of view?

Reminds me of the temper tantrum you had about Calleman's views. Although maybe you were just being honest expressing your views. But no need to <demand> 'honesty' which I find kind of interesting.

errr...End of story!

The 'temper-tantrum idea' and idea of being 'upset' is allowed through your dishonesty, as these are your projections. Any agreement or disagreement with my point of view, or my expression of satisfaction is irrelevant unless you really need some kind of confirmation of your own biases. Those that are honestly expressing their feelings and opinions are of course the 'victims' in your drama. Gotta love it.

(08-27-2011, 03:51 PM)Raman Wrote: It is not irrelevant if I think you are incorrect in your view.

(08-27-2011, 04:19 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Now your just inviting projection, lol

(08-27-2011, 02:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-27-2011, 01:22 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: So if Ra on two occasions, chose to give the image of the "clock striking upon the hour", they obviously wanted to communicate a certain discreteness to the event. It doesn't make sense to say that, for a being like Ra, maybe the clock striking is like a thousand years... That is all mumbo-jumbo because Ra ALREADY KNOWS this. Ra knows all about the differences in the perception of time between their state of consciousness and ours. So if Ra wanted to convey that the harvest was an ongoing event which took place over a period of a thousand years, they would have said as such.

With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.

(08-27-2011, 03:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The 'temper-tantrum idea' and idea of being 'upset' is allowed through your dishonesty, as these are your projections. Any agreement or disagreement with my point of view, or my expression of satisfaction is irrelevant unless you really need some kind of confirmation of your own biases. Those that are honestly expressing their feelings and opinions are of course the 'victims' in your drama. Gotta love it.

(08-27-2011, 05:12 PM)unity100 Wrote: this is probably one of the reasons most of us are studying this material in the first place anyway.

(08-27-2011, 05:12 PM)unity100 Wrote: what i expect to happen during harvest :

- entities will contact intelligent infinity - this is not a feeling that is too dissimilar to some people who experienced intelligent infinity contact which was described in Ra material in various points. however, this time, there are harvesters and there is a harvest. so, it will be different than earlier personal experiences.


what i expect after harvest :

- a lot of people may die, choosing to leave through intelligent infinity. basically, this is 'it'. it couldnt get any better than that. naive would be to worry about these people, since they couldnt be in any better situation than this, in any way possible. they actually may do this at any point after harvest too. the manner of, or apparent 'reason' for their death would probably depend totally on their own choosing. whether there may be walk-in situations, is a discussion in itself.
- a lot of people may experience a lot of issues, some or many die, due to problems created due to exposure to high vibrations. this is unlikely, since we arent seeing considerable trouble in people's psyches or health as vibrations increase. but still a possibility.
- a lot of people may go instable/temporarily mad.
- most people may realize something's afoot, but not be able to make out what.
- any kind of potential problems/cataclysms/disruptions due to conditions of disharmony in between the 3d society and present vibrations.
- after harvest, vibration of this society will drop to its earlier levels, even if a bit higher. this is due to free will function. considering the highest the planet is in at this moment is green, i expect it to be somewhere in yellow at most. this is also rather optimistic.
- with a low chance, all the unharvested 3d entities may die. low chance though. would fix almost all of the problems on this planet.
- 3-4d dual incarnated entities keep on living. they were harvested, and unless they get harvested again and choose to leave, (where will they go anyway, they are already 4d and their home planet is this, so unlikely) they are the ones who are to keep living in their current bodies during and after harvest. this is a given. they are the ones to create 4d bodies through gradual reproduction. whether they may be hauled off to other locations, (like the hidden cities south american group built) etc is a discussion in itself.
- any issues that may arise due to the extreme level of technology given to this society, those who are privy to that technology, any kind of need to offset this by external sources etc, are subjects in themselves
- i dont expect any fantastic transformations, magnificent strides forward in consciousness etc, unless unharvested entities leave planet en masse. what i mentioned about overall vibration of 3d society holds here.
- there will be a small period of time in which gates to intelligent infinity open, and those who can work with intelligent energy may exhibit paranormal feats during this period, in an easier fashion. limitations of 3d or 3-4d bodies and the overall capacity of entity's violet balance of course factors.

(08-27-2011, 05:15 PM)Icaro Wrote: Ra speaks of the harvest as both a process and an event. The harvest is a concept essentially..a transition.

Quote: When personal bias (hope or fear based) - not one's unique 'distortion' - fills in the gaps in understanding, or when desires greatly overextend what is known with what one would like to see.

(08-27-2011, 06:25 PM)Icaro Wrote: Unity - The fact that this sudden vs. gradual argument continues, even among those that have been studying it for years, shows how Ra left things up for interpretation. No matter the argument you make, I interpret it differently. Carla would even disagree with you, as she believes the harvest to be 'now'. I believe the harvest is a gradual process that culminates into an event..a revealing/welcoming probably years from now.

(08-27-2011, 05:58 PM)hogey11 Wrote: @unity100

Nice list, like monkey I agree with pretty much all of what you're touching on... It was kinda crazy and synchronous in that when you were writing that post I was out for a jog and was thinking "man, someone (or I) should make a post that just lays out how they see harvest going. no arguments, just a sharing of viewpoints." and that's pretty much what you did in that post. I may steal it as a guest-post in my post idea (once i start it )

(08-24-2011, 09:46 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I don't really have a horse in the harvest race. As I've said before, I wouldn't really be surprised either way. But I do feel compelled to point out that Ra did say "all are harvested," in this quote:

Quote:6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

Ra: One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.