Raman Wrote:It seems the zeroing occurs rather in 2011 a date that Ra gave as well in response to a very specific question asked.

Book II, Session 40, March 18, 1981 Wrote:Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from
third to fourth-density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic
anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings
incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third density
climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this
particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere
between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be
accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

Quote:14.4 Questioner: I understand from previous material that this occurred 75,000 years ago. It was then that our third-density process of evolution began. Can you tell me the history, hitting only the points of development, shall I say, that occurred within this 75,000 years, any point when contact was made to aid this development?
Ra: I am Ra. The first attempt to aid your peoples was at the time 75,000. This attempt 75,000 of your years ago has been previously described by us. The next attempt was approximately 58,000 of your years ago, continuing for a long period in your measurement, with those of Mu as you call this race or mind/body/spirit social complex. The next attempt was long in coming and occurred approximately 13,000 of your years ago when some intelligent information was offered to those of Atlantis, this being of the same type of healing and crystal working of which we have spoken previously. The next attempt was 11,000 of your years ago. These are approximations as we are not totally able to process your space/time continuum measurement system. This was in what you call Egypt and of this we have also spoken. The same beings who came with us returned approximately 3,500 years later in order to attempt to aid the South American mind/body/spirit social complex once again. However, the pyramids of those so-called cities were not to be used in the appropriate fashion.

Therefore, this was not pursued further. There was a landing approximately 3,000 of your years ago also in your South America, as you call it. There were a few attempts to aid your peoples approximately 2,300 years ago, this in the area of Egypt. The remaining part of the cycle, we have never been gone from your fifth dimension and have been working in this last minor cycle to prepare for harvest.

Quote:Questioner: What structures were built in South America?
Ra: I am Ra. In this location were fashioned some characteristic statues, some formations of what you call rock and some formations involving rock and earth.

Raman Wrote:Well lets see, Ra corrected the answers after any mistake...

Raman Wrote:That quote you mention is precisely the only quote that could be interpreted as a so called "gradual" approach.

Book I, Session 19, February 8 Wrote:Questioner: Over how long a period of time was this transfiguration? It must have been very short.
Ra: I am Ra. The assumption is correct, in our terms at least—within a generation and one-half, as you know these things. Those who had been harvested of this planet were able to use the newly created physical complex of chemical elements suitable for third-density lessons.

Book II, Session 40, March 18 Wrote:Questioner: How long was the time of transition from second to third density? A generation and a half I believe you said. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct, the time measured in your years being approximately 1,350.

Raman Wrote:Also Ra says time of the harvest ---note word harvest---is 2011.

Raman Wrote:Egyptians "Sun worshipers" Mayans "Sun worshipers"

Raman Wrote:are data not to be dismissed so lightly

Quote: [.....]

Third party sources only muddy the waters, especially if one uses it to justify a theory, and the other considers it a questionable source.

(05-21-2011, 03:44 PM)Spectrum Wrote:

Raman Wrote:Egyptians "Sun worshipers" Mayans "Sun worshipers"

Similarities between the Egyptians and 'those of South America' exist because Ra split their own social memory complex in two, one working with the Egyptians, and the other working with "those of South America" at the same time. Those who worked with the South Americans went back one more time to the South Americans, when Ra never returned (in the flesh - that is). We don't know if it were the Mayans.

(05-22-2011, 03:48 AM)Spectrum Wrote: There is such a thing in the Ra material, unity, although it is not how Ra worded it, I was paraphrasing. You made other mistakes in this thread as well, as it pertains to the Ra material, but I let you be, because I have learned the futility of pointing out one of your mistakes to you.

You are completely unable to admit it when you made a mistake, so it turns into a frustrating tennis match. I don't have time for that, my time is valuable.

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unity Wrote:i will respectfully bow out of this discussion.

(05-22-2011, 04:23 AM)Spectrum Wrote:

unity Wrote:i will respectfully bow out of this discussion.

Have a nice day, unity. You always reduce the Ra material to petty little arguments all relating to transient aspects of the Ra material. Rise above it, and use your critical thinking abilities to assess how the material in your original post in this thread, has no bearing on reality.

Quote:1.4 Questioner: Could you give me a little more detail about your role with the Egyptians?

Ra: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called “lost cities” were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.

We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings, having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.

Does this form a sufficient amount of information, or could we speak further?

Is there another query?

Quote:.............

We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power. This was not intended by the Law of One. We left your peoples. The group that was to work with those in the area of South America, as you call that portion of your sphere, gave up not so easily. They returned. We did not. However, we have never left your vibration due to our responsibility for the changes in consciousness we had first caused and then found distorted in ways not relegated to the Law of One. We attempted to contact the rulers of the land to which we had come, that land which you call Egypt, or in some areas, the Holy Land.

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Quote:.......... These are approximations as we are not totally able to process your space/time continuum measurement system. This was in what you call Egypt and of this we have also spoken. The same beings who came with us returned approximately 3,500 years later in order to attempt to aid the South American mind/body/spirit social complex once again. However, the pyramids of those so-called cities were not to be used in the appropriate fashion.
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Quote:23.16 Questioner: I understand, if I am correct, that a South American contact was also made. Can you tell me of the nature of your contact with respect to the attitude about the contact, its ramifications, the plan for the contact, and why the people were contacted in South America?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question of this session. The entities who walked among those in your South American continent were called by a similar desire upon the part of the entities therein to learn of the manifestations of the sun. They worshipped this source of light and life.

Thus, these entities were visited by light beings not unlike ourselves. Instructions were given and they were more accepted and less distorted than ours. The entities themselves began to construct a series of underground and hidden cities including pyramid structures.

These pyramids were somewhat at variance from the design that we had promulgated. However, the original ideas were the same with the addition of a desire or intention of creating places of meditation and rest, a feeling of the presence of the One Creator; these pyramids then being for all people, not only initiates and those to be healed.

They left this density when it was discovered that their plans were solidly in motion and, in fact, had been recorded. During the next approximately 3,500 years these plans became, though somewhat distorted, in a state of near-completion in many aspects.

Therefore, as is the case of the breakings of the quarantine, the entity who was helping the South American entities along the South American ways you call in part the Amazon River went before the Council of Saturn to request a second attempt to correct in person the distortions which had occurred in their plans. This having been granted, this entity or social memory complex returned and the entity chosen as messenger came among the peoples once more to correct the errors.................

Quote:......... 45.4 Questioner: Are they?

Ra: I am Ra. A significant portion of sixth-density Wanderers are those of our social memory complex. Another large portion consists of those who aided those in South America; another portion, those aiding Atlantis. All are sixth density and all brother and sister groups due to the unified feeling that as we had been aided by shapes such as the pyramid, so we could aid your peoples............

Quote:5 Questioner: You mentioned working with one other group other than the Egyptians. Who were they?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities were those of South America. We divided our forces to work within these two cultures.

unity Wrote:you are evading discussing it

(05-22-2011, 05:01 AM)Spectrum Wrote:

unity Wrote:you are evading discussing it

Bingo More like refusing.

Book III, Session 60, July 1, 1981 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. These entities were those of South America. We divided our
forces to work within these two cultures.

unity Wrote:the 'we' in the above quote, which is probably what is prompting the far-fetched conclusion of 'they split their memory complex in two',

unity Wrote:refers to the CONFEDERATION, not 'we' as in Ra, as it was the context in most such talk.

(05-22-2011, 05:09 AM)Spectrum Wrote: Ah, I see you provided the relevant quote 'for' me, thanks unity. Now I don't have to look for it myself.

Book III, Session 60, July 1, 1981 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. These entities were those of South America. We divided our
forces to work within these two cultures.

unity Wrote:the 'we' in the above quote, which is probably what is prompting the far-fetched conclusion of 'they split their memory complex in two', refers to the CONFEDERATION, not 'we' as in Ra, as it was the context in most such talk.

Semantics...

unity Wrote:i see this branch of discussion complete already. thank yo.

(05-22-2011, 08:29 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Here's something i was thinking about the whole 2011 timing/transitional period thing:

I think both sides (gradual/sudden) are correct in their own ways. I see 2011 as a "tipping point", rather than an all-encompassing moment in space/time. I think everyone here would agree with this, except the fundamentalist sudden-graduation believers. Even though I see it as a tipping point, I still feel that tipping point will probably be significant enough to be a transformational experience for those ready for it. It's like piercing the cocoon for the first time; you can see daylight, but you aren't out of there yet!

Edinburgh Wrote:Together, you guy's make a great pair!!

unity Wrote:firstly, those who take objections, criticism, discussion as derision/insinuation/ridicule have no business discussing things in a discussion board, or group, or any place/situation that exchange of ideas are done.

second, there isnt a limit to when you may object/challenge a proposition. especially when any information supporting it, is not given.

unity Wrote:you are making way too many self-propagated 'character analysis',

unity Wrote:instead of discussing and providing arguments.

unity Wrote:there are a lot of 'analysis' that can be made over your behavior,

(05-23-2011, 11:42 AM)hogey11 Wrote: Okay, I am entering as mediator - tell me to buzz off i'm not being helpful:

It doesn't matter if Ra or Quetzcoatl (or whomever was speaking to the South Americans) were a single entity or two separate. It doesn't change anything. Even if they were the same entity, they were each responding to a different culture and people. The only point that you could be making, unity, that actually changes anything, is that if Ra split itself into two, the messages and the events would be exactly the same between the two cultures. I don't think you believe that.

So really, you (unity) are arguing with yourself. This is why Spectrum isn't participating. You are dragging her into a fight that is petty and not worth the energy; that isn't your duty. You can offer catalyst to others, but don't shove it down their throat.

If Spectrum has accepted a truth that you have not, thank her rather than correct her. She is taking a path you refuse to, and we're all on the same team.

Just my two cents. I don't like seeing people fight.

(05-23-2011, 11:52 AM)unity100 Wrote: if Ra had splitted in two, they would say it. rather than referring to the south american group as other members of the same confederation.

there is nothing to hint any 'splitting' at any point in the material.