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RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
That's pretty much what we do though. This just fills our time between "events". Lol, events that give a renewed chance to voice our opinions about. Then discuss differences. Which leads to semantic arguments. The honesty is to say "I like arguing. Can we please find something to argue about. I'm bored".
"entertain me"
I'm just extraordinarily blue ray activated. Y'all wouldn't understand
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - native - 11-07-2011
Perhaps, that is your perception however. There is such a thing as seeking honestly, rather than simply a back and forth assertion of opinions.
You're of the opinion that we are necessarily always attached to a significant amount of subjectivity. You seem to have something against the idea that one can achieve a certain level of objectivity in which a more distilled level of truth or balance can be found. I disagree though.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Oceania - 11-07-2011
there's searching for truth, and asking others to help. this is a kind of discussion where both parties respect the others' views and feel they win if something is achieved together.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 01:31 PM)Icaro Wrote:
You're of the opinion that we are necessarily always attached to a significant amount of subjectivity. You seem to have something against the idea that one can achieve a certain level of objectivity in which a more distilled level of truth or balance can be found. I disagree though.
This is true. You say against. I say recognize. "More distilled level" is just another version of subjectivity. You recognize my view though. I'm a winner because you see me
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - kycahi - 11-07-2011
This is quite the lively discussion, and fun to read. I don't much post just to be posting, but to correct some, to me, big misunderstanding. I don't think this has a big one, but I just wish to point out that here in the 3D, everybody has chakras that glow their color and, according to Ra, even a 3Der in balance will have unique brightnesses of energy centers. Some bright and some with a quiet, more subtle glow.
The 3D primary "color" is yellow, yet we glow with all 7 primary colors, IMO.
So we the unbalanced (
) want to improve that condition as we live lives with catalyst, experience and gratitude. Why not? Ra said it will be helpful, so I wish to make the attempts. No harm done, IMHO.Should I make a correction to everyone that posts, to my POV, a mistake? I choose not to, yet will seldom jump on someone that does. If a thread fills up with attempts of corrections to corrections, I just will stop reading it. That is a type of acceptance, isn't it? I hope so, because it would firm up my STO polarity.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
No harm done.
No harm done.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - native - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 02:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: This is true. You say against. I say recognize. "More distilled level" is just another version of subjectivity. You recognize my view though. I'm a winner because you see me
I just think the more one effectively observes the observer, the less the mind gets in the way of hearing the spirit. See? It's that easy. Two honest disagreeing opinions without having to say it in such a way as "You're wrong I'm right."
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
But I have found undeniable evidence to back me up...
(now I'm just being annoying .... "NOW, he says
"
RE: Why Steve Jobs died - unity100 - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 10:56 AM)yossarian Wrote:(11-07-2011, 09:24 AM)unity100 Wrote:(11-06-2011, 02:32 PM)yossarian Wrote: Unity, could you answer my question earlier about why you don't express caring?
and how is caring expressed ? pray elaborate. lets see how caring gets expressed.
By being brutally honest about your feelings for the person.
So if you hate me, you would say, "You are 100% wrong and I hate you."
If you love me, you would say, "You are 100% wrong and I love you."
You are saying brutal honesty is very important. Why doesn't this include brutal honesty about feelings?
Brutal honesty. This is how blue ray activated beings act. With brutal honesty.
Are you saying that when you type things, first you intuitively scan the person and determine if someone needs love?
why not also include our fears about clowns&mimes and/or what we feel about flightless birds while discussing ? or, what we feel about the recent futures index fluctuations ?
.............
because we arent discussing these. what's being discussed are, the subjects/topics that are in question. and if, there are people who are needing to hear things about THEMSELVES as opposed to the idea/thought that are being discussed, that means those people IDENTIFY with those thoughts/ideas.
the very fact that you are proposing the necessity/usefulness of something like this, proves that such a situation exists.
people should not identify themselves with thoughts/ideas, and seek appeasement of their own persona through those ideas in discussions.
if the subject of a topic happens to be 'do you love me', we can appropriately convey our thoughts feelings about the person who is in need of reinforcement of such information.
(11-07-2011, 11:26 AM)apeiron Wrote: By the way, it appears the correct "translation" "You are wrong" to other languages is not completely accurate. You can probably get an equivalent if you translate "you are wrong" in that other language with appropriate emotional undertones equivalent to that expression in English. The context of the expression would be then to take into account emotional expressions, not only isolated empty words.
no, its accurate. there is perfect equivalent of 'you are wrong' in turkish. there is also perfect equivalent of 'you dont know s***' too.
however, people in usa, react the same to BOTH of these sentences, whereas in turkey the first is something nonoffensive and even polite, if used in polite context, and the latter, is the one to which people react to as americans react to any proposition that says they are in the wrong.
(11-07-2011, 01:13 PM)Icaro Wrote:(11-07-2011, 11:26 AM)apeiron Wrote: Brutal honesty as red, orange, yellow, green (one, two, three or all?). As anger, hostility, or as compassion? It seems what I am seeing is much orange based "brutal honesty" at this point.
I was going to add this point to my comments about 15.12. Honesty will necessarily involve a sort of bluntness, because there will be confrontation with previously held beliefs.
i would like to wake you up to the fact that the honesty that you think 'blunt' here, is toned down in its bluntness already. due to the shock that true bluntness of honesty would make on someone from a culture with political correctness fixations like usa. a mere 'you are wrong', or even the rather direct mentioning of that proposition with different words, is something that people take offense at.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Meerie - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 02:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: But I have found undeniable evidence to back me up...
your evidence better be good man. We won't accept anything else than irrefutable DNA proof.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Tenet Nosce - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 12:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Relativism/pluralism is just another stage in the development of mind here, with possible healthy an pathological expressions. It can be used like a weapon or to actually provide more opportunity for acceptance.
You are right. As I said:
Tenet Nosce Wrote:As with all spiritual truths, there exists a twisted- or bastardized- version of it which is ascribed to by a certain percentage of the population.
In this particular case, YCYOR gets twisted into a belief that whatever one believes becomes true- even if it flies directly in the face of Cosmic Law.
Every entity which has won access to this particular sphere has the inalienable right to choose to call forth whichever aspect of their being they feel is most appropriate for the situation. This can be done through an act of personal will, or through a surrender of personal will to the Higher Self. This is the truth of YCYOR.
The falsity of YCYOR occurs when it is applied to the ends of attempting to violate Cosmic Law. What is Cosmic Law? It is the Law of One. It is a statement of the interconnectedness of all Creation, and of all entities operating within a particular sphere of influence.
Any belief which is based upon the denial of the Law of One is wrong. Not in the moral or ethical sense, but in the sense of what is actually true about Creation.
Can false belief systems be valuable steps in the actualization of unity consciousness? Undoubtedly. However they are hardly necessary.
The Brown Notebook Wrote:Sunday, September 28, 1958
Greetings, my son. I am happy to be with you this morning. There are many things to talk about this morning.
Your people are beginning to realize that the Father is father of us all. This will take time to spread throughout your peoples. Most will find it hard to realize that we are all brothers and sisters. This, however, is the true creation. All are one. My brothers and I intend to help your peoples realize this. The time will come when the beauty of it all will be revealed.
You are doing very well, my son. Continue your meditation and you will improve more. This has been an interesting talk. I will leave you now.
Adonai, my son.
Sunday, September 28, 1958
Greetings in the light of the Infinite Father.
This, my son, will be a talk on God’s love for man. Man was created in perfection. Throughout ages of time he has lowered himself, by his own will, to his present state. Throughout these ages he has been constantly loved by the one you call God. In reality, he is the Father of us all.
The love of God, or the Creator, is expressed through man in many ways: through his thoughts, his feelings for mankind, his love of everything in the Creation.
(Channel: Due to noise, etc., I was unable to continue contact. Requested to have message continued later.)
Monday, September 29, 1958
Greetings, my son. We will continue with the message of last night.
In the beginning man was created with free will. Throughout ages of erroneous thinking he has brought himself to this point of destruction. He still has a choice. He can eliminate himself from this planet or turn to the Creator and make this planet truly a heaven.
Throughout all this erroneous thinking man has been loved by the Creator, for the Creator knows that man must learn by experience. Everything in the universe is good because of its perfect creation.
I will leave you now. Adonai, my son.
Monday, September 29, 1958
Greetings, my son. This will be a short message due to your time.
Love and understand your fellow man. This is important. Do not let anything or anyone sway you from this path. Results are your reward.
Bless you. Adonai, my son.
Tuesday, September 30, 1958
Greetings, my son.
This is a little story to help you solve many problems in the future. The Creator gave you thoughts in the beginning. These thoughts are instilled within your being. When troubles come, search your inner self. There you will find your answers. Most people find this very hard to do. It comes with practice.
I leave you now. Adonai, my son.
Tuesday, September 30, 1958
Greetings, my son.
This is to let you know I received your question. You are not doing wrong in sharing your experiences with others at this time. If your experiences will help others, the time is not wasted. Information you are receiving is for all, not just your group. Others must learn some way.
I will leave you now. Adonai, my son.
Tuesday, September 30, 1958
Greetings, my friends.
I wish to talk to you this evening about love. Love is the greatest force in the creation. It will stand the ravages of time and come forth victorious.
Your peoples do not understand the true meaning of love. You look upon love as possessing. It should be giving. Give of your thoughts, your time, yourselves, to help others. The Creator loves you through everything. So must you. See your neighbor and yourself as perfection, then you will know true love.
I leave you now. Adonai, my son.
Wednesday, October 1, 1958
Greetings, my son. This little message will help you in many ways.
Your peoples are disturbed by the many conflicts of life. Assure them of the Creator’s love for them, a love that is beyond your understanding.
Sins, as you know them, are not necessarily sins against the Creator, but against man. They are man-made. The Creator sees you as perfection, as you were created. Man will punish himself.
I will continue later. Adonai, my son.
Wednesday, October 1, 1958
I am with you again, my son. We will finish the message of this morning.
Man should hold no fear of punishment from the Creator. Fear was not created in the beginning. Man did this himself. Once man has learned to love the Creator as he should, all fears will vanish.
Only good was created. If anything else exists, it is in the mind of man. This will be hard to learn by many, but once this has been learned it will bring about great good. Think of this, my son, and live as you should live. Perfection and harmony, then great good, will come about for you and others.
I will leave you now. Adonai.
50+ years later and humanity is still hemming and hawing as to what these messages "really mean". It seems rather straightforward to me.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Namaste - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 01:13 PM)Icaro Wrote: The point in which you continue to prove the other wrong in a long discussion, you are no longer asserting wisdom, but you are dominating the other with orange assertion of the self. You have claimed superiority, and you do not allow the other to be themselves. The argument is no longer centered upon wisdom, but it has turned into a battle of "I'm right you're wrong". Recognizing this is easy, because within you it is felt by absolutely needing to correct the other. If there is resistance to letting the other go along misinformed and own their own opinion, you are reflecting non-acceptance and your motivations are simply self-fulfilling.
A more balanced interaction will involve understanding/wisdom.
That, my friend, was the notion of my post that started this entire debate :¬)
One has to laugh!
Peace :¬)
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
Faking it:
I love this tactic when my 5 year old and 6 year old are caught in a cycle of seemingly never ending arguing/fighting. I make them look each other in the eyes (this alone pretty much does the trick), and then I tell them to say something I make up, usually it's "I love you". It makes them giggle, laugh at one another, and realize where/who they are.
Faking it works
Option 2 is when I give them a common enemy besides one another (that would be me). They stops fighting and join forces in a millisecond.
RE: Why Steve Jobs died - yossarian - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 03:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: however, people in usa, react the same to BOTH of these sentences, whereas in turkey the first is something nonoffensive and even polite, if used in polite context, and the latter, is the one to which people react to as americans react to any proposition that says they are in the wrong.
So I'm assuming that in Turkey you don't around telling people "you dont know s***"
The American polite version is just longer. The Japanese polite version is even longer than the US version.
Basically the American version is something like:
"I don't see things that way, and if it's okay with you I'd like to show you a conflicting idea that I believe could benefit you. That idea is <blah blah blah>"
In Japan it would be something like:
"I am humbly honoured to speak with you, and glad to hear your views. Are you acquainted with the alternative explanation that <blah blah blah>"
If you are engaging in impolite behaviour on purpose it's not a surprise that you offend people. It isn't necessarily linked to their ideas being threatened, because it could easily just be that by not conforming to the standards of politeness you are insulting them.
I mean based on your statement that it's considered polite to say "you are wrong" in Turkish, it sounds like you just aren't respecting the politeness norms of the English audience you're speaking to on this forum.
By the way, as an English speaker, it is my opinion that writing in lower case with poor grammar and sentence construction communicates to English audiences that you don't value their time. This is often forgiven when the speaker is obviously ESL, but that doesn't make it easy.
If you just use proper capitalization you would instantly seem more respectful. Replacing the "you are wrong" statements with something more polite would also go a long way.
At the end of the day you're right that people identified with their ideas are threatened by conflicting ideas. Can't help with that. But by failing to use the polite forms, your message is not just literally "you are wrong" your message also includes the statement "and I have no respect for you, you are inferior to me, and you aren't valuable enough to be treated politely."
We live in a hierarchical society here in the Anglosphere. If you communicate to someone that they are lower on the hierarchy than you and they should obey you for that reason they are not going to feel good. This is just reality and has nothing to do with them identifying with their views. Based on your most recent posts I've concluded that your issue on this forum is that you know the polite forms of English and choose not to use them, offending all the Anglo cultured people with your rudeness. That makes a lot sense. Adding the natural threat they perceive when being corrected just makes it worse.
bir bok bilmiyorum
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
"blah blah blah"
You got that right
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Oceania - 11-07-2011
Yossarian are you insulted by my lack of capitalization? cuz i tell ya, i don't even know how to cap anymore, it would just make every post i type a pain in the butt. why does it matter if someone likes to type their post their own way?
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - yossarian - 11-07-2011
P.S. I think everyone appreciates a little appreciation regardless of whether they "need" it or not.
<3 you unity {{{{HUGS}}}}}
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
"that's not right, sweetie"
"honey, you aren't correct"
"precious, that's plain wrong"
try these out for size
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - yossarian - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 04:57 PM)Oceania Wrote: Yossarian are you insulted by my lack of capitalization? cuz i tell ya, i don't even know how to cap anymore, it would just make every post i type a pain in the butt. why does it matter if someone likes to type their post their own way?
I sympathize with the cultural divide issue. If you pay close attention to native English speakers you'll notice that they use low caps when typing informally and off-the-cuff, when joking, when using colloquialisms like "cuz".
Our mass culture is all about style and types. So you have various archetypes of "the professional" "the hippie" "the stoner" "the new age chick" "yoga pants girl" etc
What I see people doing is using these archetypes online to modify the message they're sending. So when you type with lower caps you are communicating a non-chalence and informality, you are communicating an easy going personality. You're able to communicate this because you're well versed in the cultural archetypes and the styles of communication. Your message is received as non-chalence. When you present ideas you don't say "you are wrong." and stuff like that, you present ideas in a way that is essentially polite.
Unity may be trying to express the lazy slacker archetype but it doesnt work because his command of the language is just not good enough. His posts are cryptic with confusing grammar and the poor capitalization just makes them harder to read. The capitalization communicates sloppiness on his part, and at the same time he delivers what in English is seen as a harsh, personally threatening statement: "you are wrong".
ESLs who want to communicate complicated ideas and especially criticize others should probably go for the "professional" mode of speaking. This communicates respect for the reader and is optimized for clarity and a lack of misunderstanding.
Anyway I always thought unity's ESL-nature made him especially difficult to read but now I am even more convinced. It's not just ESL it's the whole way he communicates and the message this sends to English speakers.
I'm sure he only has the best intentions but the reality is that he's not speaking proper English, he's speaking "unity100 english" and this style of English is interpreted pretty offensively by native english speakers.
I've noticed that, in person, immigrants of certain ethnicities definitely come across as aggressive, hostile, combative, offensive and insulting. Pakistanis, Indians, Persians and Eastern Europeans who haven't adopted the English manners can come across as very hostile when they actually aren't and because of this they get ostracized and discriminated against by native Canadians. I'm guessing that these are the cultures where it is polite to speak more bluntly.
Most people in Canada try really hard not to discriminate against ESLs (we have so many of them) but it's not an easy habit to break when the entire culture has indoctrinated you that certain facial expressions, voice tones, and statements indicate hostility, aggressiveness, and communicate that you're inferior. Many ESLs learn to communicate effectively but plenty (especially engineer types like unity) basically seem to refuse to conform to the norms of politeness. Engineers in all cultures seem to think politeness is stupid, so maybe that explains it.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - unity100 - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 01:13 PM)Icaro Wrote: The point in which you continue to prove the other wrong in a long discussion, you are no longer asserting wisdom, but you are dominating the other with orange assertion of the self. You have claimed superiority, and you do not allow the other to be themselves. The argument is no longer centered upon wisdom, but it has turned into a battle of "I'm right you're wrong". Recognizing this is easy, because within you it is felt by absolutely needing to correct the other. If there is resistance to letting the other go along misinformed and own their own opinion, you are reflecting non-acceptance and your motivations are simply self-fulfilling.
yes.
we should instead all 'be ourselves' in an environment in which everyone channels 500 faced 6 horned unicorns and brown interdimensional butterflies, which say that the world has splitted into 500 separate timelines, spanning 6 sub-paraoctaves in the name of lord jesus ezekiah, projecting our holographic realities to make everything a reality and positive negative and negative actually positive if need be, while complementing our conveniences so much that we would not like to hear the answer 'no' or 'you are wrong'.
so, we should not dare challenge people who validate/invalidate things throughout 2 pages when they see the need, and when they see the need to do the opposite, and, * gasp * god forbid that we may insist that they are wrong in their blatant turnaboutness.
why ?
because, doing as such is 'compassionate'. based on the local preferences of a percentage out of a 350 million population of a particular locale.
...........
but then again, there is no point to attempting to share any kind of information in such an environment. everyone can talk anything about anything they want, regardless of how nonsense or misleading they may be, ignoring/refusing/denying any kind of common truth that god forbid may be used in weeding out valuable and usable information.
of course, numerous among you again switched the 'personal truth' switches at the point you read the preceding sentences, and immediately invoked the 'how dare you question my truth' leave aside 'how dare you insist on questioning my truth' knee-jerk reactions again.
an environment in which people gather to exchange/discuss/learn/discover advanced information, leave aside study them, and god forbid something that is important, fundamental, delicate and at times potentially dangerous in many ways like spiritual information, is not a suitable place for people who are seeking self-realization, appeasement, validation through the 'personal truths' they have taken on, regardless of how right, or how wrong they may be. actually this goes valid for any place of learning/exchange. knowledge is not for self-worth and appeasement. people who are afraid of their self truth being questioned or called wrong, should not embark in spiritual voyages, leave aside sit with other people to discuss anything about them.
it doesnt matter whether the distaste for being wrong, or being unable to validate self-worth/value/strength through 'personal truths' that are used to identify with, is conveniently translated into form of demanding 'compassion' through definitions conveniently created from local social political correctness. it is still the same act. if something is wrong, it is wrong continually, until the situations surrounding it changes. if that does not happen throughout the course of an internet discussion (it very rarely does), it means that something that was wrong 2 pages ago, flying in the face of basic spiritual information which everyone is SUPPOSEDLY subscribing to, remains wrong for the remainder of the discussion. and no - 'reinterpreting' the basic spiritual information that everyone uses as common ground, PERSONALLY, does not help either - its just the practice of manufacturing 'personal truth' as convenient. there has been a lot of examples of that throughout a lot of discussions here.
there is endless amount of spiritual material that is channeled for serving the people who have such needs. from bartholomew to silver birch, these offer the precise remedy to self worth and validation necessities.
going after a material which talks about archetypes of mind, structures of pyramids, and then expecting love/worth/self validation over and for PERSONAL 'truths', is, wrong. someone who needs self validation/love/worth from outside, should not pursue advanced spiritual information.
advanced spiritual information is no joke, and no comfort/sunday reading. however, thanks to the modern popularization of spiritual material, a lot of people do that.
i am sure some of you will again loop back and pose the question 'how dare he claim that he knows who is for comfort, who is for real here' the moment you read the above paragraph. posing of that question in your mind, after the paragraphs you read above, would be an obvious reason to conclude what i have concluded - for, the answer to that already have been present in the above paragraphs. if you still are confused what i expressed in regard to this at this particular point, just go back to the earlier paragraphs and read again.
(11-07-2011, 04:52 PM)yossarian Wrote: So I'm assuming that in Turkey you don't around telling people "you dont know $hit"
The American polite version is just longer. The Japanese polite version is even longer than the US version.
Basically the American version is something like:
"I don't see things that way, and if it's okay with you I'd like to show you a conflicting idea that I believe could benefit you. That idea is <blah blah blah>"
In Japan it would be something like:
"I am humbly honoured to speak with you, and glad to hear your views. Are you acquainted with the alternative explanation that <blah blah blah>"
If you are engaging in impolite behaviour on purpose it's not a surprise that you offend people. It isn't necessarily linked to their ideas being threatened, because it could easily just be that by not conforming to the standards of politeness you are insulting them.
I mean based on your statement that it's considered polite to say "you are wrong" in Turkish, it sounds like you just aren't respecting the politeness norms of the English audience you're speaking to on this forum.
By the way, as an English speaker, it is my opinion that writing in lower case with poor grammar and sentence construction communicates to English audiences that you don't value their time. This is often forgiven when the speaker is obviously ESL, but that doesn't make it easy.
If you just use proper capitalization you would instantly seem more respectful. Replacing the "you are wrong" statements with something more polite would also go a long way.
At the end of the day you're right that people identified with their ideas are threatened by conflicting ideas. Can't help with that. But by failing to use the polite forms, your message is not just literally "you are wrong" your message also includes the statement "and I have no respect for you, you are inferior to me, and you aren't valuable enough to be treated politely."
We live in a hierarchical society here in the Anglosphere. If you communicate to someone that they are lower on the hierarchy than you and they should obey you for that reason they are not going to feel good. This is just reality and has nothing to do with them identifying with their views. Based on your most recent posts I've concluded that your issue on this forum is that you know the polite forms of English and choose not to use them, offending all the Anglo cultured people with your rudeness. That makes a lot sense. Adding the natural threat they perceive when being corrected just makes it worse.
bir bok bilmiyorum
should i respond to your rant, after the last sentence you have typed - after ALL you have railed about grammar nazizm, polite versions of this, that in english, in japanese, and so on ? contradicting all of what you have railed with you last sentence ?
why should i mop up the above contradictions for you in all that angst .
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
In addition, there is someone like me who probably would add to confusion in another language because I never really mastered my native one to begin with.
Native guy says "man, he is brash"
Foreign guy says "you think he is too? I just thought it was a language barrier"
Unity, you are always wrong. No exceptions.
*boom*
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - yossarian - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 05:12 PM)unity100 Wrote: should i respond to your rant, after the last sentence you have typed - after ALL you have railed about grammar nazizm, polite versions of this, that in english, in japanese, and so on ? contradicting all of what you have railed with you last sentence ?
why should i mop up the above contradictions for you in all that angst .
So you're actually offended that I googled the turkish for "you don't know s***?"
I genuinely and humbly apologize if I offended you by saying "bir bok bilmiyorum".
However, perhaps there is a lesson here, since it appears that "bir bok bilmiyorum" is the accurate Turkish translation for "You are wrong." It's not the literal translation, it's the accurate translation.
All this time I had assumed that it was impossible for a mere mortal to offend you. I apologize for my foolish insensitivity.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Oceania - 11-07-2011
ummmmmm ok. i never noticed Unity didn't cap his posts.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - unity100 - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 05:25 PM)yossarian Wrote:(11-07-2011, 05:12 PM)unity100 Wrote: should i respond to your rant, after the last sentence you have typed - after ALL you have railed about grammar nazizm, polite versions of this, that in english, in japanese, and so on ? contradicting all of what you have railed with you last sentence ?
why should i mop up the above contradictions for you in all that angst .
So you're actually offended that I googled the turkish for "you don't know $hit?"
no not at all. because, what you have included there means 'i dont know s***', first person speaker perspective. hence, a lot of confusion after reading that
Quote:However, perhaps there is a lesson here, since it appears that "bir bok bilmiyorum" is the accurate Turkish translation for "You are wrong." It's not the literal translation, it's the accurate translation.
it isnt. and you should never translate from english to turkish like that.
Quote:All this time I had assumed that it was impossible for a mere mortal to offend you. I apologize for my foolish insensitivity.
if you are apologizing for the appalling confusion you have caused by telling me that YOU dont know s*** in turkish, your apology is accepted.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Oceania - 11-07-2011
cultural differences are a quackmire of confusion. eh folks?
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - yossarian - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 05:29 PM)Oceania Wrote: ummmmmm ok. i never noticed Unity didn't cap his posts.
It's like marketing. People don't consciously notice the tiny details but there are hordes of strong science studies indicating that unconsciously they do.
These kinds of subtle messages are actually communicated MORE strongly when they aren't consciously noticed. The unconscious just slurps them up without opposition.
I'm actually really pleased with this conversation because I feel like I finally am understanding unity. For me the burning question has been "why is a guy that seems so devoted to the LOO and seems really intellectually smart such a jerk?"
And the answer is that he's probably not really a jerk, it's purely and totally a language barrier issue which is exacerbated by the fact that he's trying to criticize people's ideas while using English phrases that are considered insulting. He gave up on learning polite English and just decided that all Americans use subjective reality -- I can understand why he doesn't bother because it's not at all obvious how to say it politely.
Unity is right -- it's really hard to express disagreement in the Anglosphere without being impolite. It takes all kinds of boilerplate and stuff to avoid appearing arrogant and rude. Not an easy job for ESLs.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - 3DMonkey - 11-07-2011
Funny thing: Unity100 cut off all communication with me. I guess because I'm too honest
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - yossarian - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 05:33 PM)unity100 Wrote:(11-07-2011, 05:25 PM)yossarian Wrote:(11-07-2011, 05:12 PM)unity100 Wrote: should i respond to your rant, after the last sentence you have typed - after ALL you have railed about grammar nazizm, polite versions of this, that in english, in japanese, and so on ? contradicting all of what you have railed with you last sentence ?
why should i mop up the above contradictions for you in all that angst .
So you're actually offended that I googled the turkish for "you don't know $hit?"
no not at all. because, what you have included there means 'i dont know $hit', first person speaker perspective. hence, a lot of confusion after reading that
Quote:However, perhaps there is a lesson here, since it appears that "bir bok bilmiyorum" is the accurate Turkish translation for "You are wrong." It's not the literal translation, it's the accurate translation.
it isnt. and you should never translate from english to turkish like that.
Quote:All this time I had assumed that it was impossible for a mere mortal to offend you. I apologize for my foolish insensitivity.
if you are apologizing for the appalling confusion you have caused by telling me that YOU dont know $hit in turkish, your apology is accepted.
hahaha that's very funny
I assure you I don't speak a word of Turkish.
http://translate.google.com/ has failed me
(11-07-2011, 05:38 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Funny thing: Unity100 cut off all communication with me. I guess because I'm too honest
I never understood why he did until now. But now I get it. You are the ultimate version of subjective reality, you believe in basically nothing and everything at the same time.
So you're pointless to talk to for someone who believes in objective reality.
You guys are completely incompatible when it comes to discussing ideas!
I am having lots of epiphanies today :p
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - unity100 - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 05:37 PM)yossarian Wrote:(11-07-2011, 05:29 PM)Oceania Wrote: ummmmmm ok. i never noticed Unity didn't cap his posts.
It's like marketing. People don't consciously notice the tiny details but there are hordes of strong science studies indicating that unconsciously they do.
no actually they dont. people read the words as long as a few letters in the word are correctly placed, even if all others are placed in wrong places. leave aside the non-existence of capitalization.
Quote: I can understand why he doesn't bother because it's not at all obvious how to say it politely.
Unity is right -- it's really hard to express disagreement in the Anglosphere without being impolite. It takes all kinds of boilerplate and stuff to avoid appearing arrogant and rude. Not an easy job for ESLs.
no, actually i know very well to NOT seem to say something, and then veiledly and sneakily end up telling someone that s/he is wrong in a grand fashion, and i can even stray into victorian english if need be.
im not doing that, because it is wrong. dishonest. insincere. untruthful.
the very reason i am continuing this discussion over the nonsense anglosphere produced in their geography, to the point of making faking/underhandedly telling things something 'polite', is to stress the importance of being straight, direct, honest in spiritualism.
honesty is paramount in spiritualism. in the lack of it, and god forbid in the institutionalization and acceptance of that lacking for ANY reason, one is not truthful to his/her feelings himself/herself.
anyone who is going for advanced spiritual information should get over it the first thing in their journey.
im going to repeat this again. for this is VERY important : anyone who is after advanced spiritual information or journey, should become as honest and direct as possible, the first thing in their journey. this cant be stressed enough.
of course, that is even leaving aside the fact that the 4d society on this planet will not form from, or comply with the anglosphere. nor it will form from japan, nor middle east.
anyone who is lingering into the 4d society's formation, will need to come to terms with not expecting the societal conditionings and biases its own society had, from the other entities. i have made another point for that end, by insisting on dwelling on this particular topic, since this forum 'bring4th', seems to have taken a mission of bringing people together for purposes of accelerating meeting of entities for this 4d reality.
RE: Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking - Bring4th_Austin - 11-07-2011
(11-07-2011, 05:37 PM)yossarian Wrote: Unity is right -- it's really hard to express disagreement in the Anglosphere without being impolite.
I think it would be more accurate to say, "it's really hard to express disagreement in the Anglosphere without being perceived as impolite."