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RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-26-2021
Rudolf Steiner has very interesting and far-out ideas. I will have to look into more of his teachings. Regarding the beast and solar streams, Ra has a clear explanation of the beast stream in this quote:
Quote:85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?
Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others* choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.
When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.
That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.
* This should be service-to-self. Don and Ra corrected the error later in the session." - Law of One
The path which is not. And service-to-self. That's the beast stream, except that there can be attempts at service to others in the beast stream, so there is a slight difference which justifies keeping the term beast stream.
And the solar stream is what Ra calls service-to-others, except that it's the real form of service to others that doesn't produce spiritual entropy as STO in the beast stream does. So again, it's useful to keep the term solar stream because of this slight difference. My idea is that the solar stream is necessary for developing a third density STO SMC, and that means service to others without producing spiritual entropy.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
I have been struggling with contrasting the beast stream with the dragon/solar stream in myself. Maybe that's the wrong approach! Because all is one interconnected wholeness. The law is One. (I keep repeating that, haha, I think it's a great reminder.)
My new approach is to think of the beast stream as an incomplete part of the solar and dragon streams. And to be peaceful about the beast stream. Or else it will be like in the Matrix movies where Neo struggles like crazy all the time until he is reborn in a blaze of light. It's true that the beast stream is like the Matrix, sucking us dry of energy like batteries, and keeping us inside false beliefs. Nevertheless, I now think of evolution as a wholeness in motion, so ultimately and from the big cosmic perspective, even the beast stream is useful. That said, Orion group move over, the Dragon Overlord is here.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
I have recently found a lot of hardcore nonduality teachers. The most extreme nonduality teachings can sound nihilistic. What they can be useful for I realized is to break the main trick of the beast stream.
The beast stream tricks us to believe that we have lived in a past and makes us cling to our personal past (which actually is a massive service to self habit). Ra said somewhere that there is only the present moment. So for example, did I write the previous sentence? Actually, no, the sentence exists now and only now! It's a radical shift of perspective that I believe can uproot the beast stream illusion.
And Ra said that reality is made of thought, and that must include the past! So the past is information projected as thoughts in the now. I think of the past as real, but I question the belief that there is a past outside the now.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Patrick - 05-27-2021
The weird thing about the past is that it can change based on what is happening in the eternal present.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
(05-27-2021, 12:57 PM)Patrick Wrote: The weird thing about the past is that it can change based on what is happening in the eternal present.
Yes, the appearance of the past can change I think. I believe that the past is changeless, but it made me think about the possibility of change of the appearance of the past, and it's possible even with my idea! Because if reality is thoughts projected, then yes that projection can in theory change radically at any moment.
The difference between a dream and reality is that reality is consistent, back at least billions of years, while dreams are much more inconsistent and temporary. There is an enormous consistency to material reality, which is good I think, and yet it's still possible for radical change of the appearance of the past in theory at least. And also there are evolutionary shifts, including changing densities and sub-densities. Some of it happening like how a clock strikes the hour, that Ra talked about.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
Ra said that it's misleading to talk about the ego, something like that. Eckhart Tolle talks about the ego, but he also calls it the false sense of self in this video. That's the same thing I believe as this answer from Ra:
Quote:"Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one." - Law of One 80.11
The beast stream is fueled by the false sense of self. It's the "fallen" state of humanity as it says in the Bible, and Jesus talked about the need for denying oneself. All of that is exactly the same thing! Even the word sin means missing the mark, meaning being trapped in the false sense of self. And it's valid to describe it as the ego if one is careful about the definition. What Ra was pointing out I believe is the problem that the term "ego" can mean so many different things.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Patrick - 05-27-2021
Ra just meant that the word "ego" has too many different meanings in different materials to be an effective way of working with that concept in the Ra material.
For someone like Tolle, he defines it himself and then it's consistent throughout all of Tolle's teachings.
But it's important to really know what a material means by that word before assuming you already know what the author means when using it.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
The Law of Confusion is oneness experienced as duality. I noticed that confusion in myself is a perception of spiritual entropy! And the term entropy is very appropriate since it means disorder, or as physicist Leonard Susskind said, hidden information. And confusion feels really unpleasant. My mind wants to avoid it and often runs into fear instead as an escape from confusion. That's how unpleasant confusion is. I suspect that panic attacks are caused by the mind turning confusion into fear which leads to more confusion leading to more fear and so on in a vicious loop.
The human mind in third density has a strong tendency to avoid confusion. And even from an evolutionary perspective it makes sense, since fear at least can lead to action (or at the very least freezing) while confusion leads nowhere. So the mind struggles intensely with trying to overcome confusion. There is a deeper trick hidden there. It's the beast stream that has programmed our minds and bodies with a false sense of separation, which is the root cause of the confusion.
Removing spiritual entropy, thus, cannot be done by trying to resolve confusion. That's like trying to extinguish a fire by removing the smoke. It's the source of the confusion that must be uprooted. Easier said than than since our whole sense of self is rooted in separation. And even more difficult because of how unpleasant confusion feels. Still, it's probably useful to start becoming consciously aware of the confusion in oneself. And hopefully the confusion will start to dissolve by that observation and understanding.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
Wow. I now discovered the practical source of the beast stream. The biological fight-or-flight response is sometimes also called the fight-flight-freeze response. And it's the freeze state that the beast stream uses for sucking energy from us!
The beast freeze state is hidden in the subconscious yet it's still always there and held as tensions in the body-mind. And from it confusion continuously is created. And the lesser fight-or-flight response is then used to turn the confusion into fear. For example it would seem that having the biological fight-or-flight response activated for a personal financial problem is irrational, yet it's rational for the beast stream control. Pretty sneaky, eh?
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-27-2021
I doubt that ALL Wanderers are so trapped in third density that they can't break out of the beast stream. Instead what I believe is happening is that many Wanderers need to keep quiet about their powers until we ordinary people have become ready and powerful ourselves. Otherwise it would just cause more confusion and separation.
So in a sense all Wanderers ARE trapped in the beast stream, not because of they themselves but because of the other people in the beast stream. Nasty situation! Fortunately it seems to me that more and more people will recognize the beast stream trickery and delusion and then the separation between Wanderers and ordinary people will start to dissolve. And that will radically accelerate the potential for developing an STO SMC.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - flofrog - 05-27-2021
Anders, we may see it as a nasty situation, but think about this, wanderers plan this gift of accepting incarnation risk, and giving, so... its their choice, their service..
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-28-2021
Both the Wanderers and the non-Wanderers need to step out from the beast stream and into the dragon stream (which is a temporary part of the solar stream). In practice this means melting the subconscious freeze state of the beast stream. I find confirmation about this in the Tao Te Ching which talks about becoming supple like a newborn baby:
Quote:"Carrying body and soul and embracing the one,
Can you avoid separation?
Attending fully and becoming supple,
Can you be as a newborn babe?
Washing and cleansing the primal vision,
Can you be without stain?
Loving all men and ruling the country,
Can you be without cleverness?
Opening and closing the gates of heaven,
Can you play the role of woman?
Understanding and being open to all things,
Are you able to do nothing?
Giving birth and nourishing,
Bearing yet not possessing,
Working yet not taking credit,
Leading yet not dominating,
This is the Primal Virtue." - Tao Te Ching, Chapter 10
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-28-2021
In third density we usually experience ourselves only as separate individuals. It's the freeze state of the beast stream that causes a sense of separation. The Infinite Creator has to separate itself in order for there to be experience.
Instead of trying to figure out exactly how the separation functions, another approach is to simply recognize that the separation between self and others is a gigantic cosmic trick. And when the trick is seen through, then integration of self and others into a higher state of consciousness will happen I predict.
Quote:"I am Ra. ... In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity." - Law of One 1.7
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-29-2021
Ra and also Q'uo I think mentioned the practice of experience oneself and others as the Creator. I like this kind of simple practice. And the freeze state of the beast stream which causes our sense of separation needs to be melted, and that makes the practice useful for precisely doing that.
It starts with an intellectual practice with experiencing ourselves and others as the One and same Creator. Nothing much happens at that level. What needs to happen is that the understanding with the practice sinks into our subconscious. And then an actual sense of melting the separation between oneself and the rest of the world starts to be experienced.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Sena - 05-29-2021
(05-06-2021, 06:03 AM)Anders Wrote: Now an additional idea came to my mind. If it's true that connecting the heart chakra to planet Venus means a connection to Ra, then why can't Ra just telepathically communicate with our minds? The answer that came to me is that if I start hearing voices in my head claiming to be from Ra, then how do I know that it's the real Ra and not some STS impostor? Also, how do I know that it's a real communication and not just my own subconscious playing tricks with me? And in addition that that there needs to be a broadband communication for it to be effective and not just a stream of thoughts which is a very narrow band communication.My first post here. It is possible that Ra is communicating telepathically with my unconscious. How do I know it is not a trickster? If the communication contradicts what is in the LOO, that could be cause for suspicion. This forum is useful in keeping us on the right track.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-29-2021
(05-29-2021, 11:29 AM)Sena Wrote: My first post here. It is possible that Ra is communicating telepathically with my unconscious. How do I know it is not a trickster? If the communication contradicts what is in the LOO, that could be cause for suspicion. This forum is useful in keeping us on the right track.
Hi Sena,
Yes, I try to keep consistent with the Law of One. And also consistent with other spiritual teachings. And to make it all fit together. That's my current method for validating the information.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-29-2021
The freeze state in the beast stream actually has low spiritual entropy. And confusion is high spiritual entropy. It's the trick of separation that makes us fear our own inner freeze state This separation produces confusion which the mind again runs away from by turning it into fear.
And high spiritual entropy can be likened to heat. And instead of cooling the heat within ourselves with the inner freeze state (which is hidden from our conscious mind) we seek to suck energy, which I think of as loosh, from other people and situations.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-29-2021
As an example and illustration, person A wants to dissolve his or her freeze state and interacts with person B who wants to suck loosh from person A.
If person A resists, fights or tries to ignore the confrontation, then person B can suck loosh from A. And if person A tries to suck loosh from B, then that results in a loosh-sucking battle. In both cases person A's freeze state remains. This situation is similar to the last battle in the third Matrix movie where Neo, representing person A, is fighting Agent Smith, representing person B.
What person A must do is to avoid producing loosh, and instead let person B suck energy directly from person A's freeze state. That's symbolized by Agent Smith piercing Neo's heart. And since all freeze states are connected, Agent Smith then taps into not only Neo's freeze state but also his own freeze state, resulting in a short-circuit explosion of light.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Sena - 05-30-2021
(05-29-2021, 12:31 PM)Anders Wrote:Hi Anders,(05-29-2021, 11:29 AM)Sena Wrote: My first post here. It is possible that Ra is communicating telepathically with my unconscious. How do I know it is not a trickster? If the communication contradicts what is in the LOO, that could be cause for suspicion. This forum is useful in keeping us on the right track.
Hi Sena,
Yes, I try to keep consistent with the Law of One. And also consistent with other spiritual teachings. And to make it all fit together. That's my current method for validating the information.
May i ask which spiritual teachings you find useful? I am familiar with the Seth materials.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-31-2021
(05-30-2021, 02:42 AM)Sena Wrote: May i ask which spiritual teachings you find useful? I am familiar with the Seth materials.
THE Bible of course. You can't argue with the bible! Just kidding, but I like the Bible a lot when looking at it from an esoteric perspective. The Law of One is also one of my recent studies. And more recently I have looked into Madame Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner. That's like New Age teaching a 100 years ago! Really impressive. I also like the nonduality teachers, even the hardcore ones such as Ramesh Balsekar and Tony Parsons. And Ken Wilber has great intellectual knowledge. "Mainstream" spiritual teachers such as Eckhart Tolle and Sadhguru are also my favorites because they are very skillful at addressing large audiences. My favorite New Age teacher at the moment is Gigi Young. Absolutely mindblowing information.
A Course in Miracles says that there isn't actually such thing as reincarnation but it's a useful concept it says, something like that. I haven't looked at what Ra says about reincarnation yet. The Dalai Lama said that reincarnation is real, but that it's not personal. That can be a reconciliation between the Abrahamic religions and the eastern religions. That reincarnation is via the Akashic records and inheritance. So for example two people can remember having lived as Cleopatra in the past and both being correct.
I found that Rudolf Steiner talks about reincarnation in this video which I will listen to some more:
RE: Developing a social memory complex - flofrog - 05-31-2021
Welcome here Sena,
Anders, have you read the Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton or the books or seen videos by Michael Roads ?. He is really interesting.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-31-2021
(05-31-2021, 01:58 PM)flofrog Wrote: Anders, have you read the Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton or the books or seen videos by Michael Roads ?. He is really interesting.
I haven't heard of them. I found videos by them that I will take a look at. The tricky thing is to know what information to look for when it comes to esoterica. It's not something usually found on Wikipedia for example, haha.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - flofrog - 05-31-2021
Lol it’s not... I just trust my instinct and see if it resonates. In fact Michael Newton’s reference came from Carla and Jim who were both interested by his books, and Roads was given here by one member, and indeed I found his books just wonderful, but again this is me, lol
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-31-2021
I listened to a Michael Roads video. And he said that love requires consciousness. Very good point! Most people would agree that love is something important in their life I assume. And that requires consciousness.
I also think of consciousness as a feedback loop for reality like how alternative researcher Nassim Haramein has described it. Without consciousness there would be no feedback of information through experience.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-31-2021
Ra described Love as a distortion. And Ra also made a distinction between Love and love.
Quote:"Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?
Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy." - Law of One 27.13
I don't see love as a distortion so it was good to learn that Ra made a distinction. There can even be love for material things, such as "I love ice cream" or "I love playing video games". However loving money becomes problematic. The Bible even says that the love of money is the root of all evil. Why is that? Because money is an artificial separate construct, useful yet the very glue of the beast stream, our "fallen" third density world. Money may be needed to buy ice cream for example, and it's the ice cream we really want so money is just like a middleman function.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-31-2021
Money in the beast stream always produces spiritual entropy because of all the friction and conflict that comes with it. Even if we try to be peaceful in relation to money while still clinging to it, the monetary system is a huge pyramid where those at the top suck energy from the bottom which produces a constant increase of spiritual entropy.
Concern about money is actually love of money, since it singles out money as something special and precious. My precious, my precioussss. Haha. Dropping all concern about money is therefore needed in my opinion. Easy in theory while in practice that's an extremely heavy task since money energetically exists in us as tremendous tensions.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-31-2021
Yikes! China has a lot of dragon symbology, and they are already testing a "mark of the beast" digital currency. I have been thinking that the west will come up with a global digital currency to combat China's large first-mover advantage with their digital yuan DCEP. However, there is another huge development that comes together with DCEP and that is China's digital logistics system. How the heck would the west be able to develop a global digital logistics system? So now I'm more uncertain about a global digital currency. Maybe China's e-yuan will totally overrun the world! My new "conspiracy theory" therefore is that the Vatican as the "dragon brain" is working together with China. That could be scary although I predict that the dragon stream version of money will allow for a path out of the beast stream spiritual entropy and the current oppressive money pyramid.
The importance of China's digital logistics system is explained from about 21 minutes into this video:
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 06-01-2021
A social memory complex functions very differently from the beast stream. In the beast stream coordination is mainly done through rigid hierarchies and centralized control. Rudolf Steiner gave an example of how distributing workers between different manufacturing facilities is necessary when there are too few workers at one place and too many at another location. If there then are two separate supervisors in charge of the different locations it can easily become a problem where the supervisors argue with each other about how, if and when to move workers. This can be solved by having a boss above the supervisors enforcing a decision. And in this way clunky and rigid hierarchies of control form.
A service-to-others social memory complex on the other hand has a distributed and decentralized form of control. Instead of separate minds we become a huge unified collective mind. Not like Borg hive mind in Star Trek which still is centralized control with a Borg queen as the boss. A service-to-self (STS) social memory complex may function like the Borg. The advantage with a service-to-others (STO) social memory complex is that it produces a leap into a whole new level of collective mind which the STS kind is unable to achieve.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Sena - 06-01-2021
(05-31-2021, 01:58 PM)flofrog Wrote: Welcome here Sena,Flo, thanks for your welcome!
Anders, have you read the Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton or the books or seen videos by Michael Roads ?. He is really interesting.
RE: Developing a social memory complex - Sena - 06-01-2021
(05-31-2021, 10:30 AM)Anders Wrote:Anders, thanks for your lengthy reply. Yes, the Bible is deeply embedded in my subconscious! I have read quite a lot of Rudolf Steiner, and some of Ken Wilber. I have to say that I was not impressed by Madame Blavatsky's Ascended Masters.(05-30-2021, 02:42 AM)Sena Wrote: May i ask which spiritual teachings you find useful? I am familiar with the Seth materials.
THE Bible of course. You can't argue with the bible! Just kidding, but I like the Bible a lot when looking at it from an esoteric perspective. The Law of One is also one of my recent studies. And more recently I have looked into Madame Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner. That's like New Age teaching a 100 years ago! Really impressive. I also like the nonduality teachers, even the hardcore ones such as Ramesh Balsekar and Tony Parsons. And Ken Wilber has great intellectual knowledge. "Mainstream" spiritual teachers such as Eckhart Tolle and Sadhguru are also my favorites because they are very skillful at addressing large audiences. My favorite New Age teacher at the moment is Gigi Young. Absolutely mindblowing information.
A Course in Miracles says that there isn't actually such thing as reincarnation but it's a useful concept it says, something like that. I haven't looked at what Ra says about reincarnation yet. The Dalai Lama said that reincarnation is real, but that it's not personal. That can be a reconciliation between the Abrahamic religions and the eastern religions. That reincarnation is via the Akashic records and inheritance. So for example two people can remember having lived as Cleopatra in the past and both being correct.
I found that Rudolf Steiner talks about reincarnation in this video which I will listen to some more: