(10-26-2010, 02:13 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: It seems that both are true but differ in degree.

And yet none are true, in the sense that, once they are all ONE and there is no longer a differentiation between Self and Other-Self, it all becomes moot.

(10-26-2010, 03:53 PM)peregrine Wrote: Right, but the question is, how does that provide guidance in the context of 3D? That's where the business of integration of catalyst, identities, parallel lives and all the rest comes in.

Deeper integration of catalyst seems to be the thread that ties it all together, no?

(08-05-2010, 10:12 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: There are bound to be differences for everyone who came here... Could you explain about "not being able to grasp structure"? What does that mean?

To me my biggest hangup was individuality. Not being part of a social memory complex that makes itself undeniably known to it's members was incredibly... Alien and lonely to me.. As a toddler I totally could not understand the difference between peoples expressed emotions and choices and their inner emotions and choices. It took me forever to realize I had choices to make and not to leave those choices to the group or whatever was it's substitute.

I cannot answer the question about density of origin.. Somewhere between 2nd and 6th... Including those two.. And depending on what characteristics you consider important.

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(08-05-2010, 10:04 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-05-2010, 09:31 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: This is a generalization that isn't true. I am wanderer but my primary task is not this. I came here to have experiences that would help my people. Earths evolution is only relevant in that it is one of the places at this time where these experiences can be found. Even 2012 isn't relevant. My mission is already completed. The rest is personal growth.. Bonus achievements in wow terminology.

that was what Ra said in regard to reasons for wanderers as the first reason. i dont particularly agree with it.

That is honestly a relief to me. Did he really mean what we think he meant? He did often remind us that he was speaking through what was essentially a narrow bandwidth. Also that he often had to generalize. And that it had proven quite common in the past for people to misunderstand his true intentions.

Perhaps the "primary reason" means the reason that occurs most often and not the reason that is most important to all wanderers.

Quote:Remarkably, the possibility of remembering past lessons has nothing to do with native density.

Quote:Remembering passed lessons will increase possibility of polarization in 3D, however. There is a built-in need to know what is unknown for the individual. Not sure why you would ask others what is the 'big thing'.

(02-19-2011, 12:18 AM)Crimson Wrote: When a 6d wanderer reincarnates in 3d what does this mean in terms of Higher Self? Is the Higher Self substituted by portions or the remaining of the Social/Soul Memory Complex?

Quote:And then, is piercing the veil and remembering the motive/motives of the incarnation the big thing to accomplish? I understand that maybe some info must be withheld...Because of the dangers of someone thinking is 6d and is not...

(02-19-2011, 03:07 AM)Crimson Wrote:

Quote:Remarkably, the possibility of remembering past lessons has nothing to do with native density.

That is an empty phrase...I mean "it bears little of sense"...

Quote:since we are told that the society complex totality, or the totality of the entity acts as a higher self in densities 4 and above, that would mean that the wanderer incarnated in a 3d planet would have its totality, or, totality of its society complex as totality.

Quote:totally depends on the life plan of the entity.

(08-03-2010, 01:35 PM)Pablísimo Wrote:

(08-03-2010, 12:59 PM)unity100 Wrote: these are not my opinion. these are the details from the material Ra delivered.

Yes, it IS indeed your opinion in regards to WANDERERS INCARNATE IN 3D.

Yes they have mentioned in numerous places about the naivete of 4D, 5D,early 6D entities in contrast to earlier densities, and I don't disagree with any of your other text in regards to 4D/5D lessons while IN 4D/5D. That is the key, though. You are trying to apply those 4D/5D lessons to Wanderers here in 3D.

You could certainly argue that Jesus, a Wanderer from 4D could have done much more good and positively impacted many more souls had he not allowed himself to be martyred. This I do not deny and is a neat example of how one could (with some logical twists) determine that it was "folly" or "foolishness" to be so compassionate. However, I argue that had Jesus totally neglected 3D work and NOT provided an example to Other-Selves on positive STO polarization and ultimate graduation, had he not shared with his Brothers and Sisters of the day his understanding of LOVE AND COMPASSION, that his overall impact on this world would have been hardly noticeable at all. Forgetting what the dark ones did with the teachings later on for a moment, what would he possibly have been able to teach to those 3D souls looking to him as a beacon of light if he totally neglected his green ray work?

In my view, fooling yourself into thinking you're working on advanced lessons to the EXCLUSION of 3D lessons, and are somehow beyond polarity, the Choice, the need to polarize positively and in so doing raise the consciousness of all and be a beacon to Other-selves, is exceedingly unhealthy and arrogant. Where you make the "logical leap of faith" is in applying the lessons that 4D/5D/6D souls in their home dimensions to Wanderers who are IN 3D right now, at this time.

You have every right to this opinion, as we all have our own unique understandings of this amazing existence we are part of. However, I totally object to the notion that this worldview of the goals of a Wanderer in this incarnation is supported by Ra. You can believe whatever you like, your path is your own. However, what you cannot do is claim that this perspective is based in the Ra Material without being challenged by those who understand that this view is totally your own. I may be the first one to notice this, maybe not, but I'm certain that I am not alone in this once what you are saying truly becomes clear.

Nowhere does Ra state that Wanderers in 3D don't need to polarize STO, nor do they state that they have incarnated here to work on higher dimensional lessons. Sure, by all means work on higher lessons as a "side activity" but advocating abandoning green ray work simply on the basis of being a Wanderer is something I cannot agree with. Green ray work has enormous value right here and now, for Wanderers and terrestrial 3Ds alike. Radiating love, being an example, and raising the consciousness are why Wanderers incarnate here. It would be exceedingly selfish to think they ONLY have only incarnated to work on their own higher-ray work that they have a home density for. Have you ever read any quotes from Einstein? Sure he may have been here partially to offer technical information. But you can find quote after quote filled with the Love and compassion of a clearly positively polarizing soul. Ditto for Tesla.

I have already shared with you extensively supporting evidence on Wanderers in PMs, so at this point if you still don't think that Wanderers need to polarize STO and go through the same graduation process as other 3D entities, then I suggest you just re-read the Ra material with an open mind.

My point in posting this here was for the benefit of all the others who may not have yet figured out what philosophical beyond-polarity, forget green-ray work, position you are actually coming from. I saw it just yesterday day on a thread with 3D Sunset, this confusion. Unfortunately, I think many of us make the assumption we are coming from the same FUNDAMENTAL perspective in regards to this topic and so sometimes your comments about wisdom don't fully sink in. Since your view of "beyond polarity" Wanderer work is not widely shared, it is going to be the source of continual confusion in this forum filled with actively STO polarizing Wanderers.

Love to all

(10-06-2010, 08:19 PM)carrie Wrote: For those of interest:

the boundary between 3rd and 4th is like moving between chilly weather where you cannot feel the warmth of the Infinite creator to being in intense sunlight (four or five times hotter than the hottest day in Summer) and the loving warmth of maybe, ten thousand hugs.

I only thank those (there) I could come back instead of repeating.