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Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-15-2012
Quote:Those who sign here petition the United States government to secure funding and resources, and begin construction on a Death Star by 2016.https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin-construction-death-star-2016/wlfKzFkN
By focusing our defense resources into a space-superiority platform and weapon system such as a Death Star, the government can spur job creation in the fields of construction, engineering, space exploration, and more, and strengthen our national defense.
The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Parsons - 12-15-2012
Lol, and some wonder why we are in quarantine. :p
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - BrownEye - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
It will probably spur them on to coming up with new twists on conspiracies, something to get the public to push the boundaries of stupidity. I wonder how many conspiracies are cooked up in the white hose?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - nych9 - 12-15-2012
that made me laugh
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Confused - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote:Quote:Those who sign here petition the United States government to secure funding and resources, and begin construction on a Death Star by 2016.https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin-construction-death-star-2016/wlfKzFkN
By focusing our defense resources into a space-superiority platform and weapon system such as a Death Star, the government can spur job creation in the fields of construction, engineering, space exploration, and more, and strengthen our national defense.
The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
Mother Nature is forthcoming to help those who are ready to build up and nourish the human race and the planet, with love and light. The problem is that we humans are ready to come together for something negative more easily, than for something that is constructive on a major planetary scale. We lack trust in each other, for I think most of us carry the pain of trust abused, at a deeply individual level.
Quote:3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?
Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.
In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.
We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.
From the above quote, I understand that we need not all be completely perfect at an individual level to create major positive changes for ourselves and this beautiful planet. All we need to do is unify, link and focus our intents into a vision, and work together, for the glory of the One Infinite Creator and for the happiness of the human race. The unified positive intent of the mass mind will do the trick of 'magic' for us!
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Cyan - 12-15-2012
Seconded, a great idea. Mostly because by the time we get it done, we'll have outgrown war (We are very close to it now) and it can be turned into an integalactic kebab stand for all the visiting aliens.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 04:22 AM)Pickle Wrote:whatever is generated, they will find a nice home on these forums where they are routinely indulged. Even the moderators encourage that social framing.(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
It will probably spur them on to coming up with new twists on conspiracies, something to get the public to push the boundaries of stupidity. I wonder how many conspiracies are cooked up in the white hose?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Aaron - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 12:12 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-15-2012, 04:22 AM)Pickle Wrote:whatever is generated, they will find a nice home on these forums where they are routinely indulged. Even the moderators encourage that social framing.(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
It will probably spur them on to coming up with new twists on conspiracies, something to get the public to push the boundaries of stupidity. I wonder how many conspiracies are cooked up in the white hose?
Could you define the term "social framing" in this context? Do you feel like we encourage discussion of conspiracy theory-like material?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 12:52 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:As in the duality of those who would control circumstances to their desired ends vs those who would suffer due to that control.(12-15-2012, 12:12 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-15-2012, 04:22 AM)Pickle Wrote:whatever is generated, they will find a nice home on these forums where they are routinely indulged. Even the moderators encourage that social framing.(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
It will probably spur them on to coming up with new twists on conspiracies, something to get the public to push the boundaries of stupidity. I wonder how many conspiracies are cooked up in the white hose?
Could you define the term "social framing" in this context?
(12-15-2012, 12:52 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: Do you feel like we encourage discussion of conspiracy theory-like material?Google the following:
site:bring4th.org +mayan +21
site:bring4th.org +manipulated
site:bring4th.org +haarp
site:bring4th.org +911
site:bring4th.org +nwo
site:bring4th.org +leaked
site:bring4th.org +"inside job"
site:bring4th.org +secret +government
site:bring4th.org +manmade
site:bring4th.org +nasa +hiding
site:bring4th.org +Haramein
site:bring4th.org +stargate
site:bring4th.org +whistleblower
site:bring4th.org +chemtrails
site:bring4th.org +capitalist
site:bring4th.org +"mind control"
site:bring4th.org +fluoridation
site:bring4th.org +"david wilcock"
site:bring4th.org +elite
site:bring4th.org +illuminati
site:bring4th.org +"powers that be"
site:bring4th.org +govt +aliens
site:bring4th.org +Bilderberg
site:bring4th.org +controllers
site:bring4th.org +sts +lies
site:bring4th.org +disclosure
site:bring4th.org +"cover up"
site:bring4th.org +spiral +norway
site:bring4th.org +"mainstream media"
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Karl - 12-15-2012
Lets built a space port, mag-lev, space elevator and start exploiting the asteroid belt for resources. STS and STO can be happy then.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - hogey11 - 12-15-2012
Quote:As in the duality of those who would control circumstances to their desired ends vs those who would suffer due to that control.
You don't think there is any truth to this on our 3D planet? If there is, then why do you think it should be scoffed at?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Cyan - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 02:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-15-2012, 12:52 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:As in the duality of those who would control circumstances to their desired ends vs those who would suffer due to that control.(12-15-2012, 12:12 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-15-2012, 04:22 AM)Pickle Wrote:whatever is generated, they will find a nice home on these forums where they are routinely indulged. Even the moderators encourage that social framing.(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
It will probably spur them on to coming up with new twists on conspiracies, something to get the public to push the boundaries of stupidity. I wonder how many conspiracies are cooked up in the white hose?
Could you define the term "social framing" in this context?
(12-15-2012, 12:52 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: Do you feel like we encourage discussion of conspiracy theory-like material?Google the following:
site:bring4th.org +mayan +21
site:bring4th.org +manipulated
site:bring4th.org +haarp
site:bring4th.org +911
site:bring4th.org +nwo
site:bring4th.org +leaked
site:bring4th.org +"inside job"
site:bring4th.org +secret +government
site:bring4th.org +manmade
site:bring4th.org +nasa +hiding
site:bring4th.org +Haramein
site:bring4th.org +stargate
site:bring4th.org +whistleblower
site:bring4th.org +chemtrails
site:bring4th.org +capitalist
site:bring4th.org +"mind control"
site:bring4th.org +fluoridation
site:bring4th.org +"david wilcock"
site:bring4th.org +elite
site:bring4th.org +illuminati
site:bring4th.org +"powers that be"
site:bring4th.org +govt +aliens
site:bring4th.org +Bilderberg
site:bring4th.org +controllers
site:bring4th.org +sts +lies
site:bring4th.org +disclosure
site:bring4th.org +"cover up"
site:bring4th.org +spiral +norway
site:bring4th.org +"mainstream media"
Ahhhahahahahahahahhhhhehehehehahahahahahaheheheh *continues for a while*
Anything that is STO is conspiracy theory according to who ever is in charge at that moment, or have I missed something? If we had a good order by default we would not need to rebel (be in the guarantine, fight to save others, what ever you want to call it) (let me make it clear. IF there was a good guy in charge at a single point that is always the same guy at that single point, would there not be an inherantly good order of things and we the outcasts because we are saying our order is not good order, that we must be removed from this disorder and placed in a new order to be happy. Thats a pretty you know... wide... statement.)
(Edit)I'm not here because I dislike being here. I am here because I like being here. I dont need to be harvested to like being where I am, and with who I. I literally could not care less which side of the polarity I end up in "after harvest" because it will be ultimately just because the universe is, ultimately just. IT may not appear like that at every moment but its justice should never come into sane question, because to question it is to question the existence of laws that govern the order of things (Gravity). And imply that at its core the apple may just as likely fall up from the tree as down. Such a universe would serve no inherent purpose as any lack of predictability makes for an impossibility of observation, as intelligence and observation deduction and reasoning would never have a measurable effect on the totally random surroundings, and thus no intelligent part of the infinity is born.
I am just tickled pink that people think that they'll be "harvested to a good world" when their starting assumption is that they even need to know such a phenomena exists, or that they need to worry about something that is only possible if the cosmos itself is intelligent. That there truly are still people in so much sorrow they think that it is possible to create an unjust harvest. But I suppose thats what we are here for, right? I don't know, but I have this weird calling to look out for people like that, people that have this fragile belief in their lack of salvation. And shatter it with a sledgehammer. Sometimes I could use a bit more tact, but I am just so tickled pink by all this! Edit over, getting back to the previous programming )(/Edit for a bit more explanation for those who actually care
)STO is by definition that which lies at the edges, the periphery, the outside the norm, that which is yet to be accepted into that which is self sufficient. STO Is the experiment, STS is the reality. Thats why STO is so much more fun (because its changing). and STS is much less fun (It is the established order, the way we know stuff works because the truth is contained in the law itself) (if conditions are X, and you do Y, Z will occur, but conditions X must apply before the rest happens). Thats a fancy way of saying STS is the law of gravity, we know that when you drop a apple in a gravity field of earth it will fall to the ground. So anyone touching that concept has a better chance of actual progress if they just download "law of gravity" from "library" into their "merkaba" as "STS" (willing taking in info) and then focus their search into applications of the self and its abilities in proper communities for the development of the whole. If you feel like you want to be a writer, hang around writers, thats quite enough to know about any wants. They'll fill you in on the details. You will be just where you need to be, etc. Same general principle applies to everything. If you want to be STO, hang around STO right? Nope because think about it. What is STO? Is STO a act (writing). Or to quote Ra. "Ethics as activity (verb)"
Service to.
Anyway. Thats all about that for now.
So, You know, the way i see it, the fact that this forum accepts, espouses and virtually revels in conspiracy theories is not only a good thing, it is a unobtenium mine for writers such as what I mainly visualize myself as doing (imagining in words). It is, in essence, the required condition for my perceptual cone "Ra" to even be here.
IF only we had a dedicated alternate history section here, i'd be set to call this my spiritual platform type of preference if not content/poster type of preference, that changing from day to day.
One forum area where people may post fictional stories that they write or co-write as a group that are mostly focused on alternatives (What if something else had happened/something else than what is exists).
I'd probably write a ALT about this alien antrhopologist guy who visits this planet of STO oriented people who want to be a part of a 6thD STO memory complex by their wording. But lack the inner founding and stability to maintain a sufficient self identity to release onto the galactic scale.
Anyway would be an interesting alternative timeline and allow some. *cough* experimentation */cough* that most spiritual forums strongly discourage due to its magical *cough* nature. */cough*
Creative writing section thats not just a sideforum but kind of the creative intent in a way. (not talking treehuggers)
Anyway. I'm just throwing ideas around for developement and see what happens.
I hope this makes sense to some readers
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - reeay - 12-15-2012
lol 25,000 star wars fans petitioning to the US government?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Cyan - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 03:27 PM)hogey11 Wrote:Quote:As in the duality of those who would control circumstances to their desired ends vs those who would suffer due to that control.
You don't think there is any truth to this on our 3D planet? If there is, then why do you think it should be scoffed at?
I'm a little confused here.
Are you implying that a unipolar magnet is possible?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - hogey11 - 12-15-2012
Zen is scoffing at those who indulge in 'conspiracy theories'.
Then he speaks of the duality between those who control vs those who suffer.
I am asking him if he believes that duality exists, or if it is just a 'social framing' in which to be 'indulged'?
If the duality does indeed exist, then why disparage those who are using it for their learning? Is it not valid if it manifests?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Cyan - 12-15-2012
Oh that, You mean the Victim-Perpertartor mentality? (Seen as those who are infringed upon and those who protect, classical Greek God stuff.) (Pointing out that probably, Ra has, according to its choice of words, a love / sexuality oriented culture where the strongly held points of view were towards bonded relations instead of a singular world such as where bonded relations are not the norm.) I'm using my classic Xeno-Psychology analysis on Ra as a alien group and its possible motives and so on. And thats what I've seen.
The whole "victim-perpetrator" mentality that usually pervades communities (in this case Ra itself) focusing their wrath(Dropping love bombs filled with love white phospohours on love civilians running across love battlefields is still a attitude of wrath) on a imaginary evil god or pseudo god entity that has placed them in an inherently unjust universe from which they must graduate from or escape from or harvest out of to attain some "personal peace" from their own creation.
I've seen it (manifests as conspiracy theories) but I consider it quite entertaining as most of them are, by and large, better explanations of the inner workings of government in large scale than university level material due to its "groping in the dark may actually find something never before seen, as opposed to walking on enlightened paths".
In closing The fact that Ra material and the forums related to it have a large amount of conspiracy material is not, to me, worrying on almost any level. Even if Ra is an alien entity trying to control humanity and is manifesting itself as a potential increase in the number of conspiracy and victim/perpetrator related Memes in the consiousness, as such are minor and most likely insigificant compared to the lightening of the planetary load it does. (Measuring Ra as spirits influence on Earth as collection of Memes becoming a spirit and giving feedback).
Thats what I would do, were I to meet this "ra"
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 03:29 PM)Cyan Wrote: Anything that is STO is conspiracy theory according to who ever is in charge at that moment, or have I missed something?How could it be any other way? One must invent mirrors on demand in order to begin to investigate the unconscious. The fall out, however is the inevitable false framing and associated injustices against institutions and groups which (of course) prolong the meme, but are excused due to the consequentialist morality. The conspiracies which are the most suitable for the mirroring exaggeration are the ones which are almost entirely intuitively based and resistant to examination or to discernment. It's sort of like seeing meaningful shapes in cloud formations
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Cyan - 12-15-2012
Ahh, good, thought I was missing something crucial here.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - hogey11 - 12-15-2012
Quote:The fall out, however is the inevitable false framing and associated injustices against institutions and groups which (of course) prolong the meme, but are excused due to the consequentialist morality.
That's rather presumptuous to say, isn't it? 'The inevitable false framing and associated injustices'?
Quote:The conspiracies which are the most suitable for the mirroring exaggeration are the ones which are almost entirely intuitively based and resistant to examination or to discernment.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html
What part of this is resistant to examination or discernment? Is this merely a 'cloud formation'?
I just want to add that my point in challenging this is that not all conspiracies are false nor are all true. Shining lights on the ones that prove to be verifiable is not a bad thing; it is a free will choice to end that which is causing distortion. I believe the control of our money supply is a major distortion based in 3D vibrations that needs to be changed at some point in time to reflect the 4D energies we're receiving now. Looking at the state of the financial markets at this time, it's reasonable to think that collapse could happen regardless if something unfortunate were to happen. In this way, is it so bad to examine and discern whether the system that led to failure is worth using again? Is it bad to think about alternatives? Is debt forgiveness or 'prosperity programs' a violation of free will or an exercise of it? I don't know, but I think the exercise of how to determine wealth brings up a whole load of catalyst that would be very valuable to explore. We might be given that option in some point in the future, and if we're ignorant of what is happening right now, we might let the same people keep running with it. Therefore, to bring light to these subjects is not 'indulging', it is trying to manifest change through education and information.
I agree that there are very confusing and anti-productive materials out there that qualify as 'conspiracy theories'. I understand why people hate those so much; I feel similarly. I just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, as I quit thinking of things as only one way a long time ago. Identifying and accepting both ways is the best way to approach, imo.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Brittany - 12-15-2012
Just make sure it has a self destruct button in the form of an exhaust port. Then some wily rebels can fly in and blow it up.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - GentleReckoning - 12-15-2012
Did I just see about 1/3of the posters in this thread miss the intergalactic joke that 25000+ other people were kind enough to create? Do remember that a relatively small portion of the internet exists for the purposes of serious business. The majority is simply for the lolz. (and pr0n)
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Cyan - 12-15-2012
(12-15-2012, 04:24 PM)hogey11 Wrote:
I just want to add that my point in challenging this is that not all conspiracies are false nor are all true. Shining lights on the ones that prove to be verifiable is not a bad thing; it is a free will choice to end that which is causing distortion. I believe the control of our money supply is a major distortion based in 3D vibrations that needs to be changed at some point in time to reflect the 4D energies we're receiving now. Looking at the state of the financial markets at this time, it's reasonable to think that collapse could happen regardless if something unfortunate were to happen. In this way, is it so bad to examine and discern whether the system that led to failure is worth using again? Is it bad to think about alternatives? Is debt forgiveness or 'prosperity programs' a violation of free will or an exercise of it? I don't know, but I think the exercise of how to determine wealth brings up a whole load of catalyst that would be very valuable to explore. We might be given that option in some point in the future, and if we're ignorant of what is happening right now, we might let the same people keep running with it. Therefore, to bring light to these subjects is not 'indulging', it is trying to manifest change through education and information.
I agree that there are very confusing and anti-productive materials out there that qualify as 'conspiracy theories'. I understand why people hate those so much; I feel similarly. I just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, as I quit thinking of things as only one way a long time ago. Identifying and accepting both ways is the best way to approach, imo.
Caution: here be musings on economics:
A collapse will happen, its called the Boom Bust cycle in economics, seasons in the nature, moods in man.
No system of any density can prevent an economic collapse from destroying civilization, it always happens, if we are fortunate, not in our lifetimes, if we are unfortunate, we believe we exist in all lifetimes. So we must always learn to be self sufficient.
To put it blandly.
I dont care if the economy collapses because i'll survive on anything above a nuclear winter survival conditions better than 95-99% of the population, so will any poster here that does not have a serious medical condition as of right now. Thats what being a Service + Health oriented person is able to do in times of stress that already knows survivalism.
I'm reminded of that quote by Ra so long ago it feels, that said that any nuclear disaster is inconsquential because there is in us the capacity (one of our survival selves /other DNA's) to survive it quite easily.
Let me just re-iterate, its not our position to directly influence the system, thats why it wont happen. It is our place to influence what that system produces (What we show an interest in) capitalism is an outcropping of the western consumerist mentality. But its not a anomaly in any meaning of that word. It is the joint organism of the western mind directing its efforts around inside of "our" global head.
To put it blandly. We will nto be able to directly affect capitalism nor its rise or fall on any level, no matter how much we may try. But we can change the outcome of the motion itself by focusing our attention /motion/ on a different form of capitalism.
I'm sure unless you live in a disaster area with the IQ of a turnip, you'll be able to survive relatively well on any part of the totality of the western hemisphere relatively intact by having even the most rudementary capacity to recognize when human moods shift that you'll never notice anything remotely resembling an economic collapse.
And thats a good thing.
In reality the economy collapsed about a year ago and we're still running on sheer inertia. No one I've met has any idea what anyone should produce now other than the stuff thats already there. There is no real growth, there is just stabilization around the edges of already grown. We all have our basic biopods (appartments) and we're working on getting them super modern super quickly and then getting everyone to have one (better appartments for everyone). That should be done in 20-30 years with or without anyones approval.
After that, the whole of the human race is clothed, fed and housed in modern conditions with equal access to information without a need for war anywhere.
What then.
Ideas?
(12-15-2012, 05:35 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Did I just see about 1/3of the posters in this thread miss the intergalactic joke that 25000+ other people were kind enough to create? Do remember that a relatively small portion of the internet exists for the purposes of serious business. The majority is simply for the lolz. (and pr0n)
I noticed that and went with it and just had an essay moment in both the mexican and the historian form and had to put one out about economics.
All i need to do to get why the internet is not here for serious business is thinking about what my serious business is, and if the internet was for serious business, then the world would be screwed because my buinsess would be the only serious business. So i take my serious spirituality here on account of not wanting to be shot. But I take my serious life elsewhere. Mostly to epic adventures in saving the universe with blue alien babes. Then I enjoy my fun life with my friends while making music, and my productive life in the form of well. Building and designing insane things and then releasing them onto the memescape like little fishes and watching them go through various tiny holes and appear as silly memes everywhere.
We all do crazy things.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Aaron - 12-16-2012
(12-15-2012, 02:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-15-2012, 12:52 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:As in the duality of those who would control circumstances to their desired ends vs those who would suffer due to that control.(12-15-2012, 12:12 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-15-2012, 04:22 AM)Pickle Wrote:whatever is generated, they will find a nice home on these forums where they are routinely indulged. Even the moderators encourage that social framing.(12-15-2012, 03:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The petition has reached the 25,000 required votes which means the White House must respond.
It will probably spur them on to coming up with new twists on conspiracies, something to get the public to push the boundaries of stupidity. I wonder how many conspiracies are cooked up in the white hose?
Could you define the term "social framing" in this context?
(12-15-2012, 12:52 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: Do you feel like we encourage discussion of conspiracy theory-like material?Google the following:
site:bring4th.org +mayan +21
site:bring4th.org +manipulated
site:bring4th.org +haarp
site:bring4th.org +911
site:bring4th.org +nwo
site:bring4th.org +leaked
site:bring4th.org +"inside job"
site:bring4th.org +secret +government
site:bring4th.org +manmade
site:bring4th.org +nasa +hiding
site:bring4th.org +Haramein
site:bring4th.org +stargate
site:bring4th.org +whistleblower
site:bring4th.org +chemtrails
site:bring4th.org +capitalist
site:bring4th.org +"mind control"
site:bring4th.org +fluoridation
site:bring4th.org +"david wilcock"
site:bring4th.org +elite
site:bring4th.org +illuminati
site:bring4th.org +"powers that be"
site:bring4th.org +govt +aliens
site:bring4th.org +Bilderberg
site:bring4th.org +controllers
site:bring4th.org +sts +lies
site:bring4th.org +disclosure
site:bring4th.org +"cover up"
site:bring4th.org +spiral +norway
site:bring4th.org +"mainstream media"
I see your point and I suppose all I have to say is that I disagree with you. Such discussion is allowed as long as the focus remains upon the Law of One material, and such subjects are viewed through the lens thereof.
As far as which members choose to indulge in such discussions, well that's a matter of free will.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - hogey11 - 12-16-2012
Zen - do you suggest we 'lock down' conversation only to what you feel is relevant? If the content is relating to the Law of One, isn't it an opportunity for yourself to show the truth? If others will not accept your truth, do you blame them and mock them, or do you allow them to continue so they may complete their purpose?
Why is the conspiracy stuff such an issue for you? I understand it is not 'your' catalyst. That's not the issue. Why try to stop others when they have questions unanswered?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-16-2012
(12-16-2012, 04:53 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: I see your point and I suppose all I have to say is that I disagree with you. Such discussion is allowed as long as the focus remains upon the Law of One material, and such subjects are viewed through the lens thereof.
I know the discussion is allowed? I know an attempt is made to view it through the LOO lens. Was something indicated otherwise? So what exactly are you disagreeing with again? That's what I thought....
(12-16-2012, 05:20 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Zen - do you suggest we 'lock down' conversation only to what you feel is relevant? If the content is relating to the Law of One, isn't it an opportunity for yourself to show the truth? If others will not accept your truth, do you blame them and mock them, or do you allow them to continue so they may complete their purpose?Perhaps you should consider your unconscious idea of censorship.
Why is the conspiracy stuff such an issue for you? I understand it is not 'your' catalyst. That's not the issue. Why try to stop others when they have questions unanswered?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - hogey11 - 12-16-2012
Quote:Perhaps you should consider your unconscious idea of censorship.
meaning what?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-16-2012
(12-16-2012, 09:41 PM)hogey11 Wrote:Meaning the charge which spawned your rhetoric.Quote:Perhaps you should consider your unconscious idea of censorship.
meaning what?
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - hogey11 - 12-16-2012
Quote:whatever is generated, they will find a nice home on these forums where they are routinely indulged. Even the moderators encourage that social framing.
Quote:indulged past participle, past tense of in·dulge (Verb)
Allow oneself to enjoy the pleasure of: "we indulged in sundaes".
Become involved in (an activity, typically one that is undesirable or disapproved of): "indulge in gossip".
Would you say you were using the word with the first definition or the second in bold? The 'undesirable or disapproved of' aspect is what I am speaking to...
I'm willing back down, but I want to better understand so I don't get heated at your dismissive quips so much. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from here if you are trying to help people through their catalyst in this fashion.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - zenmaster - 12-16-2012
(12-16-2012, 10:26 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I'm willing back down, but I want to better understand so I don't get heated at your dismissive quips so much.What good would it do to get heated regardless of actual situation.
(12-16-2012, 10:26 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I'm trying to understand where you are coming from here if you are trying to help people through their catalyst in this fashion."Indulge", as in the general manner of gratifying consideration applied to whimsical, conspiracy-framed information attempting to portray historical and current events. I can only imagine the impetus of promotion stems from some kind of need for ideological separation, whereby the purveyed conspiracy narrative seems to offer a handle on the truer (more realistic), more desirable nature of the social condition which also must intuitively resonate with the moral sensibilities of the members and mods. In other words, they fulfill a need to have personal and collective unconscious suspicions exploited in order to shed light on plentiful unseated bias.
RE: Petition to custruct a Death Star by 2016 - Aaron - 12-17-2012
(12-16-2012, 06:22 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(12-16-2012, 04:53 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: I see your point and I suppose all I have to say is that I disagree with you. Such discussion is allowed as long as the focus remains upon the Law of One material, and such subjects are viewed through the lens thereof.
I know the discussion is allowed? I know an attempt is made to view it through the LOO lens. Was something indicated otherwise? So what exactly are you disagreeing with again? That's what I thought....
No, you didn't indicate otherwise. But I just posted those general (not personal) "reminders" due to an increasingly growing tendancy to encourage and indulge in the forum guidelines that started when I became a moderator.
I agree that such topics are "indulged" in, but I disagree that this indulgence is done by the active moderating team. I also don't think that that sort of social framing is encouraged by those who tend to the forum. But if a prominent member seemed to espouse those topics, I see how it could lead to that perception.