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Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light. I've been called multiple times in my life to help persons like that who are not good with themselves nor the world around them and I'm always clueless and powerless in my attempts to help.
RE: Helping sorrow - AnthroHeart - 04-18-2015
If they're open to it, have them carry certain crystals around with them.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 09:00 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If they're open to it, have them carry certain crystals around with them.
In the case of my sister, I gave her an amazonite and citrine but I don't know if she carries them with her. She probably has no belief that it works.
It's funny you said that, I was about to create a thread about crystals.
RE: Helping sorrow - Splash - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 08:48 AM)Minyatur Wrote: How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light. I've been called multiple times in my life to help persons like that who are not good with themselves nor the world around them and I'm always clueless and powerless in my attempts to help.
Could you explain, how you are "called" ?
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 09:14 AM)Splash Wrote:(04-18-2015, 08:48 AM)Minyatur Wrote: How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light. I've been called multiple times in my life to help persons like that who are not good with themselves nor the world around them and I'm always clueless and powerless in my attempts to help.
Could you explain, how you are "called" ?
There's been people like that close to me and as such I guess I feel compelled to have a role.
RE: Helping sorrow - Splash - 04-18-2015
aaah okay
I've had similar learning around this
I've a couple of things to share that I've been taught/learnt:
peoples free will needs to be respected
it's best to be asked by someone - for your assistance - offering it is fine... but try to only offer once (or twice).. because we don't heal until we seek out healing for ourselves...
and we need to respect the healers time and energy.. and we need to be working towards helping ourselves...
I used to want to give everyone healing... but where they're 'at' is their journey (catalyst)...
if you feel "compelled" to have a role it may be that you are wanting to do their work because you feel their pain (etc).. that is somewhat wanting to help yourself feel better also...
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 09:33 AM)Splash Wrote: aaah okay
I've had similar learning around this
I've a couple of things to share that I've been taught/learnt:
peoples free will needs to be respected
it's best to be asked by someone - for your assistance - offering it is fine... but try to only offer once (or twice).. because we don't heal until we seek out healing for ourselves...
and we need to respect the healers time and energy.. and we need to be working towards helping ourselves...
I used to want to give everyone healing... but where they're 'at' is their journey (catalyst)...
if you feel "compelled" to have a role it may be that you are wanting to do their work because you feel their pain (etc).. that is somewhat wanting to help yourself feel better also...
I usually work only when asked (the thought forms with crystals is an exception). I've been perceived as cold because of this and also had ressentment toward me. I don't necessarily feel their pain so much, I am very empathic in understanding but not necessarily sympathic in sharing the feelings. It's just that I feel compelled to have a role but I feel powerless toward fufilling that role.
What you said hinted me that this may have to do with something deeper within me which I'd have to think about more.
RE: Helping sorrow - Bluebell - 04-18-2015
nothing wrong w helping people. if u feel called maybe it's ur mission.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 09:46 AM)Bluebell Wrote: nothing wrong w helping people. if u feel called maybe it's ur mission.
A troublesome one.
RE: Helping sorrow - Bluebell - 04-18-2015
y troublesome?
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 09:48 AM)Bluebell Wrote: y troublesome?
Because I am well on my own without doing this. I think what I have to work on is about existing for others. Ultimately, only existing for others seem to be an unavoidable goal in creation.
RE: Helping sorrow - Bluebell - 04-18-2015
does it make u happy?
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 10:46 AM)Bluebell Wrote: does it make u happy?
It can make me happy but it makes me feel powerless more.
RE: Helping sorrow - Bluebell - 04-18-2015
y? ...
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 11:58 AM)Bluebell Wrote: y? ...
Does not yield results I guess.
RE: Helping sorrow - Bluebell - 04-18-2015
maybe u shouldn't be attached to that outcome?
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 12:20 PM)Bluebell Wrote: maybe u shouldn't be attached to that outcome?
I am aware of that.
RE: Helping sorrow - Enyiah - 04-18-2015
Quote:Splash:
if you feel "compelled" to have a role it may be that you are wanting to do their work because you feel their pain (etc).. that is somewhat wanting to help yourself feel better also...
When we witness pain and sorrow our primary impulse (for many) is to want to help or to want to «fix-it».
Quote:Splash:
I used to want to give everyone healing... but where they're 'at' is their journey (catalyst)...
Words that ring so true, and using that 'understanding' makes for a good guiding stick to measure one's personal input.
Through my line of work I was forced to learn how to balance how much 'energy' I give away in my service towards others. I say 'forced' because at one point I was so over-worked that I suffered a major health problem. This problem helped me to recognize my boundaries and to respect them. I have gained awareness to better protect myself against giving too much of my Self away.
I guess what I want to say is: be mindful of the energy you give away to others.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
I'm more of the other way around, usually not doing anything and now trying to do more.
RE: Helping sorrow - Aion - 04-18-2015
I use a method that I don't recommend to everyone but it basically involves channeling negative energy out of the person while reaching to remove or move rather the core thought-form emanating the energy. This is if I am affirmed that I am to work with that person which is not so for everyone.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 02:29 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I use a method that I don't recommend to everyone but it basically involves channeling negative energy out of the person while reaching to remove or move rather the core thought-form emanating the energy. This is if I am affirmed that I am to work with that person which is not so for everyone.
I've thought about it and it may work better for me. My father also spoke not so long ago of my great grandfather which was doing exactly this as a rosicrucian. He said he told people to think of him when they were negative to send him their negative energy.
What do you do with the negative energy? Do you send it to the Earth to be transmuted or do you do the work yourself? I'd probably try to transmute it myself.
RE: Helping sorrow - Aion - 04-18-2015
I do both, I channel it to the Earth but I also use it as an opportunity to reveal negative energy within myself to be transmuted. I also am always channeling positive energy at the same time I am doing this, so as to not to simply create a vacuum within which more negative energy can flow. Pull the negative, push the positive. It is rather similar to martial arts I suppose, which makes sense given my influence and interests. I also combine it with Reiki techniques, so my method is pretty sophisticated but I am still always doing research and trying new things out.
I used to try to transmute it all myself, but then I realized I was actually not able to keep up because it was just adding on to my own negative attachments so now I let the majority of it pass to the Earth while kind of using it as a way to resonate the negativity within myself to draw it to the surface to be transmuted. Eventually, once I have balanced myself enough I will more and more do the transmutation although it will probably still always be in conjunction with the Earth. I used to be very much about doing everything by myself without any help but since have taken an opposite approach of working with many allies, ones that I trust.
RE: Helping sorrow - AnthroHeart - 04-18-2015
Once a coworkers dog was crying/moping a lot because it's buddy had died. I sent it Reiki remotely for about 30 mins and the coworker told me it had stopped that.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 02:37 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I do both, I channel it to the Earth but I also use it as an opportunity to reveal negative energy within myself to be transmuted. I also am always channeling positive energy at the same time I am doing this, so as to not to simply create a vacuum within which more negative energy can flow. Pull the negative, push the positive. It is rather similar to martial arts I suppose, which makes sense given my influence and interests. I also combine it with Reiki techniques, so my method is pretty sophisticated but I am still always doing research and trying new things out.
I used to try to transmute it all myself, but then I realized I was actually not able to keep up because it was just adding on to my own negative attachments so now I let the majority of it pass to the Earth while kind of using it as a way to resonate the negativity within myself to draw it to the surface to be transmuted. Eventually, once I have balanced myself enough I will more and more do the transmutation although it will probably still always be in conjunction with the Earth. I used to be very much about doing everything by myself without any help but since have taken an opposite approach of working with many allies, ones that I trust.
This seem to be exactly what I've been doing, although I'm not very experienced. I did it when it seemed like a good idea to do so whether the reason was conscious or unconscious. I did not follow any technique, the pulling/pushing came naturally.
RE: Helping sorrow - Enyiah - 04-18-2015
Quote:Minyatur:
How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light.
The only light worth perceiving is unique to each person/individual; their own inner Light. I have learned that sharing your own light does not necessarily 'help' the person in need.
If you feel that you are 'called' to 'help' then it would likely be in assisting that person to find his/her own way to re-connect with itself to come once again into balance within.
Some processes of healing can be long and drawn out, and highly individual. There's not much anyone can do in these circumstances.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 03:01 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Minyatur:
How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light.
The only light worth perceiving is unique to each person/individual; their own inner Light. I have learned that sharing your own light does not necessarily 'help' the person in need.
If you feel that you are 'called' to 'help' then it would likely be in assisting that person to find his/her own way to re-connect with itself to come once again into balance within.
Some processes of healing can be long and drawn out, and highly individual. There's not much anyone can do in these circumstances.
This spoke to me and I can relate it to my experiences, thanks!
I've spent 2 hours and an half this morning before going to work, speaking with my sister who's been unwell with herself for the past 3 years and can't pass 2 or 3 days without drinking or doing cocaine. I spoke mostly of acceptance of self but it didn't seem to get through so much so I was wondering if I was doing what's right or if there was something more.
RE: Helping sorrow - Diana - 04-18-2015
The only things I have found to have real meaning as far as helping anyone else are:
1. Being there to listen (sometimes only that) and support their journeys. Giving guidance only when asked and then being very careful not to tread on their belief systems. I usually say what has worked for me, so that the person has a choice they may not have thought of.
2. Being an example of light. The more light you embody within yourself, the more your presence will make a difference with no effort from you (other than your efforts to evolve consciously and spiritually).
RE: Helping sorrow - I_Am_The_One - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 03:32 PM)Minyatur Wrote:When I first awoken to my spiritual self. I began talking about it with everyone. I have always felt "deeper" then most people. When I awoken I can barely relate to people now. Not in a rude Im better then you, but I dont find football or what Kim K did all week interesting at all. I dont facebook, or tweet.I watch my babies, spend time with my love my flame, and I seek the creator at every breath. Most people do not want to talk about such things, so I now send them love. I cant wait to come to a world where I can communion openly about the creator. I am lucky to have one amazing soul with me on this journey. So I cannot complain. Breathe in mother natures air, feel the suns warmth. Are we not loved?(04-18-2015, 03:01 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Minyatur:
How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light.
The only light worth perceiving is unique to each person/individual; their own inner Light. I have learned that sharing your own light does not necessarily 'help' the person in need.
If you feel that you are 'called' to 'help' then it would likely be in assisting that person to find his/her own way to re-connect with itself to come once again into balance within.
Some processes of healing can be long and drawn out, and highly individual. There's not much anyone can do in these circumstances.
This spoke to me and I can relate it to my experiences, thanks!
I've spent 2 hours and an half this morning before going to work, speaking with my sister who's been unwell with herself for the past 3 years and can't pass 2 or 3 days without drinking or doing cocaine. I spoke mostly of acceptance of self but it didn't seem to get through so much so I was wondering if I was doing what's right or if there was something more.
RE: Helping sorrow - anagogy - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 08:48 AM)Minyatur Wrote: How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light. I've been called multiple times in my life to help persons like that who are not good with themselves nor the world around them and I'm always clueless and powerless in my attempts to help.
Spend some time visualizing them in the happiest state you can imagine, and then take inspired action from that image.
Then, you become a cooperative component to their happiness as opposed to their sadness.
RE: Helping sorrow - Minyatur - 04-18-2015
(04-18-2015, 08:14 PM)anagogy Wrote:(04-18-2015, 08:48 AM)Minyatur Wrote: How do you help people who are full of sorrow and cannot see light. I've been called multiple times in my life to help persons like that who are not good with themselves nor the world around them and I'm always clueless and powerless in my attempts to help.
Spend some time visualizing them in the happiest state you can imagine, and then take inspired action from that image.
Then, you become a cooperative component to their happiness as opposed to their sadness.
That last part rings very true, it all seems about refining our intentions through the means that work best for us. I'm no very good at visualization but I can try something of the sort, hadn't thought of that.