10-28-2014, 03:12 AM
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote:(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote: You aren't directly saying plants don't feel pain, you imply it by saying "I don't eat animals 'cause it causes them pain". You have to string two thoughts together and use the process of elimination; not just consider one thought in a vacuum.
If that were the only statement I ever made, perhaps. But it isn't. I have repeatedly stated that we DO NOT KNOW whether plants feel pain, whereas we DO know that animals DO feel pain.
I also stated that it is completely illogical to eat animals, who DO feel pain, based on the speculation that plants MIGHT feel pain.
Again, it all comes down to you to you accepting other's beliefs. I believe that plants feel discomfort when being killed for food. Both flora and fauna are the 2nd density expressions of the Creator. So guilt tripping me (yes, that is what you are doing) by calling my actions STS is just plain IGNORant since a 2D lifeform has to die for me to survive in any case. You are IGNORing my belief.
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote: To continue to ignore my other statements, seems like a lame attempt to throw guilt back at the vegetarians.
Well guess what? We don't feel any guilt!
You could say "Eating plants is STS" all day long and we won't feel any guilt.
Yet, we say "UNnecessarily eating animals is STS" and you get your panties in a bundle and start yelling "BIGOT! Guilt-tripper!"
I have addressed all your statements and exposed many logical fallacies in your argument, which you respond with more logical fallacies.
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote: If there is nothing wrong with eating animals, then you would laugh and shrug it off, just like we laugh and shrug it off when you insinuate that we're doing the same thing with plants.
I am shrugging off that part of it. The part that I can't abide by is your continuous insulting behavior of calling my actions 'STS' when I have thoroughly explained that I consider eating plants and animals equal. Also, you again imply that plants do not feel pain in this statement.
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote: I admit to feeling annoyance that this same idiotic argument keeps coming up again and again, and my words continue to get twisted. But guilt? Nope. None.
If you feel 'guilt-tripped' that is NOT my fault. You might consider asking yourself why you feel that way. It has nothing to do with me.
Really? You constantly twist other's arguments then accuse me of twisting yours? You constantly guilt trip people who are spiritually aware that eat meat then accuse me of guilt tripping you?
"Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude."
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote:(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote:(10-27-2014, 08:39 PM)Monica Wrote:Quote:and send out defense mechanisms to try to stop it from happeningis pure speculation. To state this as factual, and then extrapolate from that, is building from a false premise.
You said false. Are you going to argue semantics on the word "premise" now?
I said that the CONCLUSION of it being a 'defense mechanism to try to stop it from happening' is a false premise. I never disputed the data itself; only the interpretation of that data.
So you are disputing the widely accepting fact that some plants will produce chemicals as a defense mechanism against creatures eating them? Or are you simply disputing that the plant is capable of anticipating the 'attack'?
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote:(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote: For the sake of argument, if plants and animals both experience pain and fear before death, couldn't I reduce my meat intake(but still eat some meat) to the point where I could balance out the fact that animals increase overall plant consumption?
Oh good grief.
By that logic, if plants=animals=humans then why not just go around murdering and raping humans? They're all the same anyway, right, so what does it matter?
This is a great example of you completely twisting my words into something I did not say nor remotely implied. This is completely out of left-field, I have no clue how you came up with this.
(10-28-2014, 12:32 AM)Monica Wrote:(10-28-2014, 12:15 AM)Parsons Wrote: Also, at that point aren't you opening the door to looking down on people who overeat the same way you look down on omnivores?
Your insistence upon trying to make this about me is really getting old.
Well, in this particular instance, I wasn't actually "making it about you". I was simply discussing your viewpoint and referring to 'you' in the second person. It was a real question; I was not accusing you of that.
But in general, how can you have a conversation with someone without actually using some kind of noun or pronoun? If you aren't actually willing to converse with people about this and continue to repost the same argument over and over (for several years, apparently) while not actually seriously considering an opposing viewpoint, aren't you just preaching/soliciting your own propaganda into every single thread that contains the word "meat", "plant", "vegan", or "vegetarian"?