Third Density Being

[third-density-being]

I would like to Greet Everyone.

My name is Simon and I come from Poland (middle Europe).
First of all I would like to apologize for all mistakes I will surely do below as english is not my native language. Also I would like to ensure all of You that it is not my intention to offend anyone/anybody - all I want is to express my extremely confusion about my current understanding and hopefully receive some aid from those who will be willing to support me.

I would like to briefly write about my background to permit You to better understand point at which I am right now.

I was born on 11.11.1979 and I was raised as die-hard catholic in almost orthodox country and that time. I remember greatly loving everything that was connected to faith and "God" - including church and everything in it. At that time priests were for me near-magical beings whom I was listened with all my heart invested in each word/moment of their speeches.
When I was 13 my Grandmother got bone cancer and suffer for over six months before she died - at the end she didn't even recognized me nor her own daughter - my Mother. It was extremely traumatic experience for me and it changed me profoundly. Especially that my Grandmother was the one most devoted to the "God" and church and it was she who tought me how to pray - it wasn't just voicing the prayer - it was a prayer with HEART and the Beauty (I do not know how to express it differently).
I did not understood at that time why it was happening and why such Amazing and extremely Good person as my Grandmother was undergoing such misery. It broke something in me and I started to question the "God". It was beginning of the end of my "faith".

When I was 18 - 19 years old I was already a declared atheist. As times goes by, my atheism began to deepen to such extent, that at age of 24-25 it has an extreme intensity. As consequence (and i think that it's a companion of each true atheist) I was extreme materialist as well. At that time I understood my self as sum of the matter I was build of. Human Being consciousness/awareness (I do not distinguish meaning of those two words too well) was perceive by me as a random though systematic error of nature. An accidence. As extremity of my atheism was developing, I lost all "universal" and adamant values. I didn't "felt" them as before - I had only a recollection of them which only based on power of my will were preserved as my guidelines. They were all I had left after my beloved Grandmother died. I guess holding to them was my way of santcification memorey of Her. But with time even that start to eroding in the face of my - as I was perceiving at that time - "mighty mind" which was a "god" in a material world. There were nothing my mind could not conquer/break. I was living without any non-material component in my life and for some time I didn't even needed one.

All changed when I harness my mind to truly understand and conquer (as everything else at that time) my "Self". That was the first time when my mind failed me and was simply unable to give ma any answers that would be satisfactory for me. Thus era of my disappointement of the mind began. I was able to see for the first time it's limits, which with each try were more and more clear to me.
In order to go forward I had to - as previously with "faith" - start to question my Mind. From that moment on I opened myself for an ideas that was not of 'rational provenience". I was early 28 at that time.

For over two years I was reading and watching/listening (mostly via internet) all kinds of abstract ideas and points of views of Others. As I look at it now, this period was my "preparation" for Ra and his/they teachings. Without that - this kind of abstract training - I would not be able even to give "The Law of One" chance - to read it (literally).
When I "met" RA materials (I was 30 years old at that time), I was intrigued with some informations I've found about it in other sources.

At first I've treated it as a Sci-Fi books - as an entertainment. But as I kept reading Book One most strange things happend in me. I started to FEEL that what is said is exactly as it is. I could not explain it in any known to me categories/words. With every page, every session I was more certain that what I was learning from "The Law of One" is profoundly genuine/authentic. Still the level of abstract was overwhelming for me and after third book I just rejected all. What made me "sure" of "impossibility" of this material were some details to which I hanged my mind to and holded them dearly. Looking back I think it was some kind of "self-defense" of my mind which was overpowered by content of this message.

Over six months passed and I couldn't stop thinking about Ra materials and what I found in them. I was unable to find/experience similarly, deep Feeling of "profound genuineness" anywhere else. To some extent I've came back to "material world" which - as I've realized in time - has nothing to offer me that could touch my inner "Self".
Therefore I've came back to reading "The Law of One". I was 32 at that time.

Today I'm 34 years old and I'm reading this Amazing books again (it's my third time). As before, many things I cannot yet grasp and I will read it again and again - to the rest of my life I think.
I would like to note at this point, that I do not treat "The Law of One" as Bible. I do not quote it nor I do not use quotes as an arguments in conversations. No. Its content is a base for MY OWN understanding of reality I'm in and to my inner Growth.

In general, I presented above my "road" which brought me to accept and cherish "The Law of One".
Currently I'm trying to look deep in my "Self" and understand WHAT I trully am. And this is the point when I'm afraid I can offend someone/somebody.

I've created this topic in category "Wanderer Stories". I've read some threads/topics here and I've seen that many of You is writing that You are a Wanderers. I trully do not understand how can You be "sure" of that. Do You actually REMEMBER (and by that I mean if You were able to penetrate "forgetting veil") that You are of different/higher densities? How do You determine that You are what You clame to be?
Please do not treat my questions as "negative". It is my attempt to understand.

When I am thinking of myself, I'm finding all of "signs" RA spoke of regarding "being a Wanderer". I am full of love for others (in many cases very naive one), I can see the beauty of our world/reality at every step, material reality was always for me of semi-importance - even when I was extreme materialist - matter was for me "simply", banal, of no importance - it was always "a function of its application" - nothing more.
I do have difficulties in "finding myself" in material reality and at some point in period of my extremely materiality I was simply suffering because I lost sense of purpous of my existance. RA gave/offered it back to me and so Much More.
Nevertheless I do not consider myself a Wanderer. I am thinking sometimes that way about myself (for which I always rebuke myself), but I do not KNOW that. Maybe it's relic of previous, rational era in my life, but for me to state that only based on "feeling" - or more precisely only based on impression - would be unjustified. That's why I would like to ask You what is your base for this conviction, that You ideed ARE a Wanderers. It is very important for me to understand this matter.
At this point I must admit that I do not thrust my feelings very much as I think (I'm convinced) I'm seriously imbalanced.

Speaking (writing to be precise) about "balancing" - even though it is my third reading of "The Law of One" I still do not understand how can I balance my energy centers. I either missed this or didn't understood properly what is the process of balancing red-orange-yellow centers and that green-blue, which allows You to begin working in Indigo ray center.
I would be VERY grateful if You could share with me your understanding of this, since this is of most importance for me at this time.

At the end of this definitely too long comment for many to read in full, I would like to express two things/thoughts.
On one hand my UTMOST Gratidue to Don/Carla/Jim for all their Sacrifices and Amazing Work they've done. In my opinion "The Law of One" are THE most important books/sources of Knowledge on this Planet / in this reality.
On the other hand I do not understand how Mrs. Carla can still prays to Jesus - RA clearly stated that he's not more "Son of God" that anyone of Us. Jesus is a being from higher density - as Ra him/them self/es. In the way I perceive, praying to Jesus is same as to pray to Ra. It's not as it should be. Jesus and Ra are US in what we understand as "our future". I would like to know what do You all think about this.

What I can state with all certainty is that I am a Third-Density-Being. That is what I KNOW. Everyday I meditate in depths of my mind and all I'm finding is darkness (as a sensation - not feeling) in which I'm walking without even a tiniest candle. I'm so confused and lost and I'm not sure what can I do. Therefore I'm trying to expend power of my Will (discipline of personality as I percive it) by visualizations and through my day-to-day behaviour in our current reality (i.e. restraint from all kinds of "low in nature" temptations). But I do not "have a plan". Each step I make in my "Self" I do in the darkness of not-knowing and I am somewhat afraid.
I'm afraid that my "I" which I know simply does not exist. If I am a non-material being which already lived in thousands lifes, that "I" in this life, am only a tiny part of bigger/wider/higher "Self" which is trully unknown to me. Therefore when "I" die, what will "be" is my "Self" which I do not know at this point/time. I hope You do know what I'm trying to say/write.

Thank You for your time which You have spended reading above.
I wish You all Best.

Take Care

[reeay]

Welcome to b4th forum, so glad You joined! Thank you for sharing your story here.

Personally, wanderer doesn't serve much purpose for self-discovery so I do not use it or identify with it. Others may find that it serves them, and that is fine too - to the extent that it promotes growth via self-discovery (know thy self). We may intuitively come to an understanding that we are wanderers or not-wanderers and it's based on faith. The meaning 'wanderer' may hold significance, even on the most symbolic level - e.g., (just one example) that we choose to serve others and that we love to help, etc.,. Whatever personal significance 'wander' may hold, I think each person may use it to learn about themselves, whether it be their blockages/challenges or strengths/gifts.

Again, welcome to forum!

[Ankh]

Hello Simon,

And welcome to this forum!

Especially that my Grandmother was the one most devoted to the "God" and church and it was she who tought me how to pray - it wasn't just voicing the prayer - it was a prayer with HEART and the Beauty (I do not know how to express it differently).

I think that you expresssed it very clear and with beauty! I believe that the prayer which touches and comes from the heart and sings with beauty is heard everywhere.

I've created this topic in category "Wanderer Stories". I've read some threads/topics here and I've seen that many of You is writing that You are a Wanderers. I trully do not understand how can You be "sure" of that. Do You actually REMEMBER (and by that I mean if You were able to penetrate "forgetting veil") that You are of different/higher densities? How do You determine that You are what You clame to be?
Please do not treat my questions as "negative". It is my attempt to understand.

When I am thinking of myself, I'm finding all of "signs" Ra spoke of regarding "being a Wanderer". I am full of love for others (in many cases very naive one), I can see the beauty of our world/reality at every step, material reality was always for me of semi-importance - even when I was extreme materialist - matter was for me "simply", banal, of no importance - it was always "a function of its application" - nothing more.
I do have difficulties in "finding myself" in material reality and at some point in period of my extremely materiality I was simply suffering because I lost sense of purpous of my existance. Ra gave/offered it back to me and so Much More.
Nevertheless I do not consider myself a Wanderer. I am thinking sometimes that way about myself (for which I always rebuke myself), but I do not KNOW that. Maybe it's relic of previous, rational era in my life, but for me to state that only based on "feeling" - or more precisely only based on impression - would be unjustified. That's why I would like to ask You what is your base for this conviction, that You ideed ARE a Wanderers. It is very important for me to understand this matter.
At this point I must admit that I do not thrust my feelings very much as I think (I'm convinced) I'm seriously imbalanced.

Well, I think that it's different for each. Personally I don't find being a Wanderer or not, important these days, but it has been important for me in the past, and it explained a lot of things for me. But it can also act as a stumbling block upon seeking the Creator/the unity, in a way as it can become something which separates you from others here.

But you said that it's important for you to understand this. Why?

Personally I do remember things that I have never experienced in this density, or this life. Things that made total sense to me when I found Ra material, but which then sometimes are completely impossible to explain in language, as we have not yet invented these things, and therefore have neither understanding of them nor words for what to call them.

In regards to being a "Wanderer", I like the broader or wider definition of it which Carla used in her "A Wanderer's Handbook", page 9:

When people write, telling their stories and asking if they are wanderers, I always reply first with the thought that if they have wandered into realms where this question has relevance for them, then they are definitely wanderers. Depending on what they have to say, many issues may come up, but this question is central for many.

And from page 14:

We are wanderers who long for something we cannot find but we sense exists. Whether we style ourselves as ETs or Earth natives, we are those who have awakened spiritually to wander in search of our source and ending. We have awakened to the beauty and the high principles of unity, service and love, and we are searching for ways to bring these elements into our everyday life. For us, it is not an idle matter to try and improve the quality of our lives. It is essential. If we try to follow the ways of the world, we will have a great deal of difficulty having a decent life experience, and sometimes even have trouble surviving.

I highly recommend to read this book, if you haven't already.

Speaking (writing to be precise) about "balancing" - even though it is my third reading of "The Law of One" I still do not understand how can I balance my energy centers. I either missed this or didn't understood properly what is the process of balancing red-orange-yellow centers and that green-blue, which allows You to begin working in Indigo ray center.
I would be VERY grateful if You could share with me your understanding of this, since this is of most importance for me at this time.

It IS difficult, isn't it? Ra spoke a lot about it though. There is this:

"15.12 Questioner: How does an individual go about balancing himself? What is the first step?

Ra: I am Ra. The steps are only one; that is, an understanding of the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex. This understanding may be briefly summarized as follows. The first balancing is of the Malkuth, or Earth, vibratory energy complex, called the red-ray complex. An understanding and acceptance of this energy is fundamental. The next energy complex, which may be blocked is the emotional, or personal complex, also known as the orange-ray complex. This blockage will often demonstrate itself as personal eccentricities or distortions with regard to self-conscious understanding or acceptance of self.

The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One...."

And there is also this:

"The key to balance may then be seen in the unstudied, spontaneous, and honest response of entities toward experiences, thus using experience to the utmost, then applying the balancing exercises and achieving the proper attitude for the most purified spectrum of energy center manifestation in violet ray."

On the other hand I do not understand how Mrs. Carla can still prays to Jesus - Ra clearly stated that he's not more "Son of God" that anyone of Us. Jesus is a being from higher density - as Ra him/them self/es. In the way I perceive, praying to Jesus is same as to pray to Ra. It's not as it should be. Jesus and Ra are US in what we understand as "our future". I would like to know what do You all think about this.

You can ask her this question yourself, as they have a weekly radio show. You can post your question here: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid152888

And if you would not have the time or an opportunity to listen to the show "live", you could always re-listen it later.

If I may answer your question though, when my daughter and I go to sleep, we usually say this prayer:

"Our angels, our dear and near, our friends and family, our Higher Selves and our Creator, bless us with your Love and your Light, with your guidance, and your protection, and with your help. Thank you so much! Adonai vasu borragus."

We are not praying to these entities as some sort of Gods, but as one would pray to friends who are invited to help us in any ways that they want and can. Positive entities do need this invitation, Higher Self included, in order to help. And that is what we are doing. Besides, it is an awesome feeling which activates your heart, and sometimes I do receive positive visions.

But I don't know how exactly Carla prays. There is a what some call "Christ consciousness", which is the fourth density positive vibration, or vibration of Love, which exists in inner planes of this Earth. As far as I understand it, it is not Christ himself which answers when this call is made, but those of this vibration, i.e. fourth density positive/Love vibration. But as I said, better to ask Carla personally.

Everyday I meditate in depths of my mind and all I'm finding is darkness (as a sensation - not feeling) in which I'm walking without even a tiniest candle. I'm so confused and lost and I'm not sure what can I do. Therefore I'm trying to expend power of my Will (discipline of personality as I percive it) by visualizations and through my day-to-day behaviour in our current reality (i.e. restraint from all kinds of "low in nature" temptations). But I do not "have a plan". Each step I make in my "Self" I do in the darkness of not-knowing and I am somewhat afraid.

Do you like your meditations? Are they going well for you?

Here is something to consider in regards to meditations and mentioned techniques:

52.11 Questioner: Thank you. Just a little point that was bothering me of no real importance.

Well, is there then, from the point of view of an individual who wishes to follow the service-to-others path from our present position in third density, is there anything of importance other than disciplines of personality, knowledge of self, and strengthening of will?

Ra: I am Ra. This is technique. This is not the heart. Let us examine the heart of evolution.

Let us remember that we are all one. This is the great learning/teaching. In this unity lies love. This is a great learn/teaching. In this unity lies light. This is the fundamental teaching of all planes of existence in materialization. Unity, love, light, and joy; this is the heart of evolution of the spirit.

The second-ranking lessons are learn/taught in meditation and in service. At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that the techniques you have mentioned become quite significant. However, the universe, its mystery unbroken, is one. Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique."

Once again, welcome to this forum, brother! I hope you'll find what you are looking for!

[Astrodiana]

Hello Simon! I found your post very interesting. To me, the tragic suffering and death of your beloved Grandmother served as a catalyst. You were given a very firm foundation in your faith by your upbringing and the catalyst ~ what you saw as a terrible fate for your very loving and devout grandmother ~ may have been meant to help you think past your early conditioning and to begin to explore what to think and believe next. You tried the atheism and now you are moving forward into new realms of thought and belief. There is no right or wrong..there is only the path that each of us treads, which brings us to our next plateau. We have free will to explore what's out there, to look at each avenue and to decide whether each new thing we discover makes sense to us. We decide at every juncture whether we want to leave the last thing we learned behind or if we want to incorporate the new knowledge into our thought system. I'll bet that you have far to go before you find yourself with a full belief system..but each step along the way is important to each of us. this is how we evolve.

to my understanding...the idea behind "balancing" seems to be that we accept all catalyst as something to be thankful for, which is not an easy task, when we as humans are in the middle of something we would call a catastrophe or dealing with a hate filled person. We need to learn to look upon all with Love and to learn to accept with Love, even those who have wronged us or hurt us in some way. We need to love the circumstances and people who have made our lives miserable and reply with Love and acceptance. This is the true meaning of Love! It's easy to love something which we perceive as good or loveable, such as a puppy. But I believe Mother Theresa was practiced this very well when she ministered to the poor and sick people of the streets. She said that when she cleaned the maggots out of the wounds of homeless people, she saw "Jesus" in them. I feel that Mother Theresa is a good example of the embodiment of Love. I think that when we achieve balance, it means we can forgive and love even those (negative) people and situations who have put difficult problems in our way. I have come a long way in achieving balance in the past few months and I can tell you that when you get there, you know it! that doesn't mean that it is not sometimes an ongoing trait that I need to keep working on, but it is something we need to master in order to progress. I am very much like Carla who came into the world with so much love for everyone, and with time, finally had to learn to find some boundaries and filter my indiscriminate giving of Love. I still falter with that and can border on martyrdom still. anyway...this is my understanding of "balance". A wise healer I know always says "Do not get caught up in the dramas and traumas". I am finally learning the full meaning of that statement. We are all connected, Simon.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm usually not much for words, but welcome to the forum 3rd density being and Astrodiana.

[third-density-being]

@reeay & @Ankh

Thank You for your replies and nice Welcome

@reeay

Personally, wanderer doesn't serve much purpose for self-discovery so I do not use it or identify with it. Others may find that it serves them, and that is fine too - to the extent that it promotes growth via self-discovery (know thy self).

@Ankh

But you said that it's important for you to understand this. Why?

I was asking for "how to know" if one is Wanderer, beacuse for many years I've perceived my own "openness", non-appreciating for matter and irrational amout of - as I'm calling it ' "faith in Others", as some kind of my own dysfuncton - maybe even mental illness. I've observed many very sophisticated Persons, who were able to master their own lifes and manipulate Others with great efficency. I'm surrounded by Peoples who perceive that kind of "skill" as sign of "desired power", as something worthy of jealousy (general in this direction of thinking/evaluating).
There were times when I've envied them their self-discipline over the emotions and being able to "cut-off" from negative feelings which may come to life because of bad-treating Others - at least I have a Great amount of negative feelings when I do that.
As my life goes and I've observed and compare my life with lifes of Peoples in same age as I were on each stage, I've found that thay were building their power and wealth, sometimes based on "using" Others - using not as helpers, but as tools - which means that the needs of used Person was not only not taken under consideration, but not even recognised/acknowledged.
I, on the other hand, was gratified more with positive I was bringing in Others life, than with material goods, of which I never did cared much. It's not that I cannot gain/gather wealth and simply be rich. I could, as I have all necessary tools to do that in this reality (education/non-shocking looks/Intelligence/way-with-people) - with proper motivation I may be really efficient in this direction. And thats the cornersotne of nature of my choices in life - I do not care for that. I do not perceive value in gaining/gathering things. And since I am a male living in big city it's especially visible. For instance I've never paid any attention to cars which my colleagues had at university. I had good Friends there and They were surprised and with no understanding for my lack of interest in this. Sometimes I've tried to pay attention, because I knew it was important for Them, but I was never able to remember for good names of those vehicles.
I'm sorry for giving You such down-to-earth example, but I wanted for You to realise what I am writing about on day-to-day basis, which includes social relations. I do OK in life and I have no motivation for pursuing life which is focused on matter.

What I am getting at with all above, is that before I met Ra I was somewhat torn apart. On one hand I was very oriented towards Peoples and I was receiving huge energy from being good for Others and Supporting them. On other hand I was frustrated because as time goes by my life became more and more different from my Friends whom were/are reaching for power/wealth. At some point I've lost many of my relationships as I was started to be seen as "non-rational" in my attitude toward matter. There were also others factors which brought me to a point at which I am now, when I'm quite alone in my life and I'm Support to some extend Strangers in some random situations.

"The Law of One" enables me to reevaluate everything. It "explaind to me" why I am as I am without suggesting that I am mental ill/dysfunctional. Now I possess answer to the most important question for me: "Why?". It gave me so much love/ligh that I have in my heart now - knowledge/wisdom Ra was/were so kind to share with Us.
In any situation I'm in now, I'm trying to keep in mind Ra's teachings/learnings. It's so helpful to remain in greater balance with Self.

But please do not think that I treat "The Law of One" as an excuse for not acknowledging fact that I do live in material reality and its causations/laws. I do and I try to oparate at fairly high level of efficiency in this reality. Many Persons I Love, besides expectations of Personal nature, also formulate those of material nature. As I try not to dissapoint them, I'm trying to improve my relation with matter and try to understand "Why" Others values it so much - to "be Them" for shot while when I can Understand.

Now reagarding how I see myself.
All above convinced me that I choosed patch to Serve Others and I already possess polarity that allows me to gain from that kind of activity.
Now if I am a "late third density being", that all I need to do is to be aware and be mindfull of catalysts which allow me to grow. But if I am a Wanderer, I might have decided to came here for some particular, important reason. Sometimes I do feel that and I realised lately that it may be important for me to "wake up", as If possibility of reaching my main goal here is comming.
But it's so strange. it's not like I feel that all the time. Just sometimes, like right now I felt it writing those words. I don't understand that and that's why I started to meditate to look inside me. But so far I can't find anything. My meditaions are still at early stage and it's hard for me to reach "inner silence" which allows me to "listen to Self". I was able to do that couple times. I did not get any verbalized information but instead I was gifted with Worm feelings of Peace/Calmness and all spectrum of Positive emotions/attitudes/feelings. It was very heart-lifting, but i did not gain any Knowledge/Teachings.

Although I've met Ra couple years ago it is very recent when I felt I need to be one-pointed at my "inner growth". I don't know why but I am investing myself in it now.
For last four years I was thinking a lot of all this and I was observing everything - myself, Others, World/Reality I'm in. RA's Teachings were growing in me systematically. I had quite long period, when I was "partially rejecting" this Wisdom. It's so funny as I think of it now. I am quite often childish as for my age and I'm thinking that IF I am a Wanderer, I must be of fifth density (love without wisdom).

That is why I was asking in first place about Your Knowledge of Self that led You to the conclusions that You are indeed a Wanderers.


@Ankh

Thank You for such comprehensive comment. You Helped me a lot.

It IS difficult, isn't it? Ra spoke a lot about it though. There is this:

- and for this I would like to Thank You especially. I do remember that but when Ra said "(...) then applying the balancing exercises (...)" I think I was looking for informations about those exercises. I think I understand more/less and I try to apply it. I think it's very important to know how to start. After than our own feelings may guide us.

And this is another point for which I am Grateful - RA (and everytime I'm writing it I also have in mind Don/Carla/Jim - They all are One to me) - I was offered a Strucutre. I have intelectual approach to Self, Others and Reality I'm in. I will not fight this as it is very deep in me and I will not try to not-accept part of "Self". Anyway due to this approach a structure is VERY helpful for me. It may sounds ridicule, but thanks to Knowlede I received I may now use rational thinking of non-material aspects of everything that is.
Especially term "God" gained totally new meaning for me. For long time, as I turned away from "faith", I was fighting church/christianity - and general all - as I call them - "earth religions", as in my opinion they were/are offering very infantile/naive grasp of higher aspects of Human Beings. It degradated non-material sphere of Beings here to a "categories" which do not means much and if used in "rational process of consideration" are perceive as irrational. RA gave me Knowledge, that they are in fact Essentional.
I'm writing word "God" in quotation marks, because it is expression/manifestation of my attitude towards this concept/term and its understanding on this Planet.
Idea of Creator presented in "The Law of One" is not only acceptable for me, but it is truly Beautiful, in which I fell in love (literally). On other hand "God" presented by Earth religions (and which "idea of God" so many of my Beloved cherish) is - as I call it - "Human God" - it is an image/idea of Human Being being God - literally. Also Earth-centrism is utmost strong it that kind of presentation of the Creator. It is so wrong for me, that I just could not even approach it with hope of acceptance.
But One Infinite Creator presented by Ra filled my Heart with love/light with absolute/total support of my mind (that's best way I can describe it).

I hope I did not offended anyone/anybody with what I wrote above. If I have, than I would like to assure You that it wasn't my intentions and I would like to Apologize.


Ehh, again I'm offering You oversized presentation of my thoughts. I'm sorry, it is so hard for me to express my Self in only few words. It is important for me to be precise.

Once again Thank You for Welcoming me here. I'm Glad I've found this Place.
I do not know anyone with whom I can talk about all this and have hope for being understood.

Take Care

[third-density-being]

Hello Simon!

Hello Astrodiana,

I'm quoting only Your Greetings, as If I would like to quote all I've found valuable, I would have to quote everything. Thank You for Your comment and everything You've shared with me. It's very Wise what You wrote and I will come back to Your words.

I started to think in categories of "catalysts" lately, but i didn't reached so far to the past to call that my Grandmothers death. Thank You for that, You are absolutelly correct. This only strengthen this way of perceiving in me.

Yes, it is EXTREMELY difficult to accept and love Peoples who hurt and reject You - sometimes in really harsh and hostile ways. Thanks to Ra's Teachings I understand now far better what "Love" is. In the past such negative behaviour of Others toward me was quite devastating. I had many bad "inner experiences" and feelings which has weight that was pulling me away from People. Now I try to learn to accept that and look above/beyond/apart of them at Others. But to fully accept deep negativity pointed at You and to react with geunine Love when harm is done to You is beyond me at this point/this time.

Your words about Love are really Wise and Mature.
I'm trying to achieve this by remembering all the time the REASON for this Love - that ALL is ONE - all is one CREATOR. We are all ONE. Therefore when I Love Those (Creator) who hurts me, I Love Self (Creator). On other hand You can always argue that also Self (Creator) is hurting Self (Creator), but I think it is just a way how Self (Creator) is experiencing the Self (Creator). And that it is a CONSCIOUS CHOISE of the Self (Creator), based on Free Will. Therfore it is Acceptable and even Needed. It is very hard parth of understanding for us in this reality, where we are bound by laws of this material realm.

I'm Glad I've met a Rational Mind which operates very alike as my own
Although I'm afraid my "rationality" is somewhat deep. I remember that one of things that I needed time to accept is a source of all those Teachings - and by that I mean Ra him/them self/selves. Not to mentioned it is a base to ridicule all this Wisdom by so many.
RA is late sixth density being. I'll never forget what he said and what is written somewhere in third book, that he's at point when HE IS (as he BACAME) light/love. Literally.
I have to admit that this is completly beyond my ability to understand. I mean all I can say about source of this Wisdom is that "it is" "RA, sixth density being, social memory complex" - but all those are only words which meaning I do not understand. Any "explanation" of this I can made also only with other words - but its meaning is beyond my experience / possibilities of experience - and in fact understanding. What I "understand" are only words alone - not what is named/labeled with them. As Ra would say - our "sound vibratory complex is very limited"

But than again, when I was reading "The Law of One" I just KNEW it was/is Genuine, that I'm finally Learning that which is the TRUTH. I don't know how to express it differently. But I think it is an indication of my third component - Spirit. This "knowing" does not comes neither from my mind nor my body. Therefore I think it must be my Spirit. At least that is my current understanding. Understanding, that is evolving with each day, each moment. I do not called it "faith" - maybe because of my past in this life. I do not "believe" - I "Know" within Self that Ra's Teachings are Genuine and the rest are my Seakings of Self and Others-Selfes - and in consequence - One Infinite Creatror.

Once again Thank You for Your Words.

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I'm usually not much for words, but welcome to the forum 3rd density being and Astrodiana.

Thank You Gemini Wolf

[Astrodiana]

Thank you for your welcoming, Gemini Wolf and for your wonderful reply to my post, Simon. My name is Diana...I am an astrologer and have been known as Astrodiana for many years. I will post my "story" as a Wanderer when I have time to do my story justice and can make it interesting for others to read. Meanwhile, I am enjoying reading on this site.

[third-density-being]

My name is Diana.

It's Nice to Meet You Diana

I'm Glad You found my Words valuable. I'm always afraid to some degree that I'm commiting exaggeration when I'm describing with such details my own experiences/understanding.

I will post my "story" as a Wanderer when I have time to do my story justice and can make it interesting for others to read. Meanwhile, I am enjoying reading on this site.

If I may advice something to You, it would be not to "make it interesting" but to take utmost care to describe it in precise way. In my humble opinion it would be Great Teaching/Learning which You could offer Others, and it would definitely be Great Learnig/Teaching for me.

RA, the way he/they was/were presenting, explaining and formulating His/Their thougts, showed me that what is paramount in all this is to be as genuine and honest with Self and (possibly) Other-Self, as Possible. As Our Self allow Us to Be. I believe with each try more and more.

Everything that I wrote may give an impression that I'm far deep it this process. It is not so.
It is very specific for me way of approaching this Wisdom. First I have to Understand. Due to my experiences in my life I am not able to resign from my mind again. At least not entirely. It has to has its place in my understandning of Whole. This Teachings offered it to me beyond my boldest wishes/expectations.
I believe each of Us has Unique way for Learning Self and that by Sharing it, by Teaching Other-Selves about our experiences we may All better understand what we call our "I" - "our Self".

As ending Greetings to You I wanted to write "Light/Love to You", but I do not fully understand what does it means and I don't want to thoughtlessly quoting Others (in this case Ra). Therefore I would like to write that I have a Worm and full of Happiness Thoughts for You

Take Care

[reeay]

The phenomenon of Wanderer (or how we know we are a wanderer) and The Choice (polarization) can be discussed together and they can also can be discussed separately. Am I correct in understanding that you are concerned about how it is possible that we may choose actions that are oriented to benefit self rather than to serve others, even tho we are committed to serving others as wanderers?

Only faith can bridge us to higher knowing bc we just cannot prove/refute our inner yearnings. Should someone sense they are here to serve others they would have to be very committed to knowing self. Knowing self (making unconscious more conscious for example) is how we can be aware of our distortions and action tendencies, then work thru them. It's very challenging to do in 3D due to the veil between the unconscious and conscious mind - it's really like groping in the dark trying to figure things out... and sometimes Lady Faith guides the way and can be a game changer.

[third-density-being]

The phenomenon of Wanderer (or how we know we are a wanderer) and The Choice (polarization) can be discussed together and they can also can be discussed separately. Am I correct in understanding that you are concerned about how it is possible that we may choose actions that are oriented to benefit self rather than to serve others, even tho we are committed to serving others as wanderers?

Your question is extremely correct. That is indeed core of my worries. At this time I'm very Self-centered. Currently I'm reading Book Four which consume me totally - exception is when I work which is an obligatory activity in my current life.
But beyond that I'm Learning in almost Solitude. Even when I'm medidating I am focusing on Self. I do not understand how via visualizations I can Help/Support Others'Selves (not to mentioned I do not have proper "personal discipline"/will power), therefore I'm silence my Mind and I try to BE. In this state I try to be Open for whatever may come and to each, even smallest and simingly unimportant event, I give it utmost of my consideration. During as to observer it closely, and after meditation coming back to this with thoughts and try to look at it with many different angles.

Still summary of all above is Serving to Self and it does worrying me.

Only faith can bridge us to higher knowing bc we just cannot prove/refute our inner yearnings. Should someone sense they are here to serve others they would have to be very committed to knowing self. Knowing self (making unconscious more conscious for example) is how we can be aware of our distortions and action tendencies, then work thru them. It's very challenging to do in 3D due to the veil between the unconscious and conscious mind - it's really like groping in the dark trying to figure things out... and sometimes Lady Faith guides the way and can be a game changer.

I do not quote Ra as an alternative to my own understanding, but sometimes I allow myself to quote some humorous statement of His/Them. As of example this, when He/They addressed matter of making our own decisions / choices:

"Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises"

It was said in relation to greetings which Carla were receiving from fifth denstiy negative being whom try to lure Her consciouness out of fer physical vehicle (space/time) and put in negative time/space (and therefore force Her to change Her polarity to Service to Self).

Regarding Faith.
I cannot agree. Even Ra said it is inadvisable to "suspend" mind and make place for "faith". And that was THE argument which made me come back to this Message.

I've came a long way regarding my "mind". From "magical thinking", through orthodox logic and fact-oriented knowledge, to current state, when I understand that uderstanding available to Us in HERE is imperfect and that its always is in some degree differs for Each of us.
As I was question my "mind" I've asked myself "What does it mean TO KNOW?". It was very big question. It is same reason because of which I'm afraid thart when I die my "I" from this life will "melt" with unknown to me at this time/point non-material Being. That I will be only a Page in Infinite-Paged Book. It's hard for me to express this.

An example. I've just make a break in writing this, because I had to use toilet. Just before I sat down to write this post I went to night store (as it's 1 am over here right now) and I bought some beverages/non-alcohol drinks. All this was done because of needs of this reality, by my physical vehicle. I think it has absoluteluy NOTHING in common with my "non-material Self" which planned proper catalysts for this Life/Lesson. During my searches befor I met Ra I've found claiming that to trully know the-Self we must recognize and at least for short time (i.e. during meditations) discard all needs/wants of Physical Vehicle (with all it's deceptions) to be able to "Look into True Self". That is for time being only way I know of how to be able to look beyod this physical manifestation of "Self" and to meet "Self" (and in some sense Creator Him Self).

I might in above werbalized thoughts got away from what I wanted to Share above all.
There is not just "One Knowing". As I see it there are infinite kinds/types/ways of Knowing. Each conscious Being is One of such kind/type/way of Knowing.
I realized, that "Knowing" based on causation/laws of this world/density/reality/plane of existence will never go beyond this world/density/reality/plane of existence. The Only place I can search for answers that transcendents all that is HERE is my Self. And since each Self is Unique, each requires equally Unique approach/attitude. Thus "Knowing" is that which We can find inside, within Us-Selves. Not from an "outside source" - it's impossible of "being told" about this. We have to Experience it Ourselfs.
That's at least my current understanding of this.


It needs to be underlined again that despite of possible impressions of my experience, I am very, very confused and at early stages of my Seakings. I started to implement my understanding (mind) into my life (body/spirit).

Best Wishes to You

[Plenum]

Speaking (writing to be precise) about "balancing" - even though it is my third reading of "The Law of One" I still do not understand how can I balance my energy centers. I either missed this or didn't understood properly what is the process of balancing red-orange-yellow centers and that green-blue, which allows You to begin working in Indigo ray center.
I would be VERY grateful if You could share with me your understanding of this, since this is of most importance for me at this time.

Hi Simon,

from my understanding of things, the 7 energy centres represent 7 broad divisions of the 3d mind. So when one is working with the 'energy centres' one is using the self-reflective feature of the mind to examine itself.

The first three energy centres (red, orange, yellow) are space/time oriented (that is, they point towards the physical illusion), and deal primarily with the reality of living in a 3d body and trying to navigate concrete experience. Red is survival, orange is personal identity, and yellow is social relations.

In working with the first three energy centres we are dealing with the attitudes and belief patterns about our everyday life. When there are imbalances or blockages in these centres they will reveal themselves as catalyst; and catalyst is most often felt as 'resistance'; resistance being a sign of non-acceptance or non-flow of the experience. We can get plenty of feedback by just 'living life' and observing our emotional and mental reactions, which will point the way to deeper balance and the relieving of blockages.

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in working with the green and blue energy centres, the mind is beginning to receive inputs from the spirit, or from the time/space portion of third density. These inputs are more abstract and harder to pin down, but they point to the deeper nature of the self, and how it relates to a wider spectrum of the cosmos. Green is about universal acceptance, and Blue relates to being able to comprehend the nature of the self (the ability to understand and articulate).

again, the imbalances and blockages here will reveal themselves as catalyst.

Indigo Ray represents the creative function of the mind, and from that energy centre ideas and inspiration are born.

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I think the overall theme of what I have written is that catalyst offers the key to self-development, growth, and change.

in trying to work with the nebulous concept of 'catalyst', it is helpful to be able to at least figure out what type of catalyst it is; that is, does the catalyst relate to survival? or does it relate to social relations? or to universal acceptance?

once we are able to pin it down that far, we can then begin to ask further questions as to why we are resisting what the catalyst is pointing to.

in working with catalyst I've found that some tools/methods are quite reliable for me. These would include:

* having quiet/contemplation time each day to process the things that irritate/annoy/can't get out of my head
* giving yourself time each morning to process (write down and/or analyse) your dreams - as the unconscious can can give excellent indicators to the conscious mind.
* learn about projection/shadow work, to be able to reframe catalyst so that it points to yourself, rather than blaming outside circumstances/people
* be keenly aware when too much solitude is being sought; as the temptation to retreat is an easy choice when it is available. What exactly is 'too much solitude' will be different for each person, but I know for myself it was something that I 'indulged' in because I could. Living life with others is the ultimate way to receive feedback and to identify imbalance.

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to speak to your original point; balancing becomes a skillful practice, and as you come to understand and accept more portions of the self, the landscape of the energy centres becomes to be seen as a broad map, that you can work with more directly.

the desire to integrate and understand experience is the key thing I think.

[third-density-being]

Hi Simon,

from my understanding of things, the 7 energy centres represent 7 broad divisions of the 3d mind. So when one is working with the 'energy centres' one is using the self-reflective feature of the mind to examine itself.

The first three energy centres (red, orange, yellow) are space/time oriented (that is, they point towards the physical illusion), and deal primarily with the reality of living in a 3d body and trying to navigate concrete experience. Red is survival, orange is personal identity, and yellow is social relations.

In working with the first three energy centres we are dealing with the attitudes and belief patterns about our everyday life. When there are imbalances or blockages in these centres they will reveal themselves as catalyst; and catalyst is most often felt as 'resistance'; resistance being a sign of non-acceptance or non-flow of the experience. We can get plenty of feedback by just 'living life' and observing our emotional and mental reactions, which will point the way to deeper balance and the relieving of blockages.

- -

in working with the green and blue energy centres, the mind is beginning to receive inputs from the spirit, or from the time/space portion of third density. These inputs are more abstract and harder to pin down, but they point to the deeper nature of the self, and how it relates to a wider spectrum of the cosmos. Green is about universal acceptance, and Blue relates to being able to comprehend the nature of the self (the ability to understand and articulate).

again, the imbalances and blockages here will reveal themselves as catalyst.

Indigo Ray represents the creative function of the mind, and from that energy centre ideas and inspiration are born.

- -

I think the overall theme of what I have written is that catalyst offers the key to self-development, growth, and change.

in trying to work with the nebulous concept of 'catalyst', it is helpful to be able to at least figure out what type of catalyst it is; that is, does the catalyst relate to survival? or does it relate to social relations? or to universal acceptance?

once we are able to pin it down that far, we can then begin to ask further questions as to why we are resisting what the catalyst is pointing to.

in working with catalyst I've found that some tools/methods are quite reliable for me. These would include:

* having quiet/contemplation time each day to process the things that irritate/annoy/can't get out of my head
* giving yourself time each morning to process (write down and/or analyse) your dreams - as the unconscious can can give excellent indicators to the conscious mind.
* learn about projection/shadow work, to be able to reframe catalyst so that it points to yourself, rather than blaming outside circumstances/people
* be keenly aware when too much solitude is being sought; as the temptation to retreat is an easy choice when it is available. What exactly is 'too much solitude' will be different for each person, but I know for myself it was something that I 'indulged' in because I could. Living life with others is the ultimate way to receive feedback and to identify imbalance.

- -

to speak to your original point; balancing becomes a skillful practice, and as you come to understand and accept more portions of the self, the landscape of the energy centres becomes to be seen as a broad map, that you can work with more directly.

the desire to integrate and understand experience is the key thing I think.

- to bold up only those which was profound for me. But I feel it should be all bolded.

Hello Bring4th_Plenum

Thank You so Much for Sharing with me Your Understanding in such broad and eloquently way. I appreciate it.

You just gave me a lot to think about regarding the Catalyst and it's true meaning/function. You've presented very deep/mature Understanding which has a perspective I'm looking for. Thank You. It's amazing to look at my life and Self this way.

Take Care

[michael430]

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[Steppingfeet]

Hi Simon!

You have a probing, penetrating mind complex. You aim your light of inquiry upon principles that rich for further examination. My difficulty will be to restrain myself in reply, and limit the material I quote from your posting.


On the question of knowing whether you are a wanderer...

Some third-density entities are literally born knowing, to one degree or another, that their soul has an origin elsewhere in the universe. How, precisely, they have this knowing, I am unsure. Perhaps a thinness of the veil in that particular area, perhaps they designed their incarnations to have this knowing, perhaps it is a function of their particular advanced stage of evolution???

Some people are born with actual memories of a previous life on another planet, as well. Others gain access to memories later in their incarnation through spontaneous emergence or regressive hypnosis.

What's most amazing to me is that many people, it seems, have either a hunch, or a certainty about who they are *prior* to crossing paths with information (like the Law of One) that speaks of wanderers. So there is no possibility that they were influenced by external information.

In fact, this inner knowing can create big conflict and suffering for them, because their social environment does not confirm this knowing, and may even deny/reject/ridicule the knowing.

In such a case the wanderer soul may be in conflict with themselves, and may bury or repress the knowing and/or the memories.

But whether born with the knowing or whether it emerges later in the incarnation, the depth and certainty/surety for this category of wanderer is similar to the depth of certainty/surety that you have regarding the rightness of the Law of One material for you.

Being a seeker, and an investigator of truth, I would imagine that you are open to new evidence, new information, new understanding, and as such will revise your belief accordingly as you analyze and weigh the new data. But, without being dogmatic, and without being a fundamentalist, there is probably very little in the world that could convince you against the Law of One material. You know it is *your truth* to your bones.

Likewise for some wanderers. They know who they are, to a certain extent. They know they are not native.

However, this is not the case for most. In fact, according to Ra in the early 1980's, most wanderers are asleep, completely unaware of their off-worldly origins.

And for those in between, "Am I a wanderer?" is an open question. I know many seekers who entertain the question, but don't "know" one way or the other. Many there are who presume that they are *likely* a wanderer, but, again, don't "know" for sure.

My feeling has always been that if one is asking themselves the question, and if one is attracted to higher-density information like the Law of One material, the probability is high that they are indeed a wanderer. In 36.24, Ra said, "We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups [of wanderers] that this information will, shall we say, make sense."


On the question of the value of knowing whether you are a wanderer...

In my opinion, knowing that you are a wanderer does not change too much, actually – you are still in a human body living a human life on a human world with human lessons and a human personality – but it is helpful in these two basic regards:

1. It underscores the reason for your incarnation here on planet Earth. The wanderer is literally defined by his or her desire to be of service. In feeling the suffering and the sorrow upon this planet and in hearing the cries for help sounding from every corner of Earth, the wanderer decided to make the sacrifice and take on a body in this illusion, forgetting who they are and risking becoming karmically involved.

Knowing that you are a wanderer simply connects you with the principal desire at the center of your heart. It is a reminder that the purpose of your incarnation – the very reason of your being – is to be a lighthouse in this darkness. That of course does not necessarily translate into the soup kitchen, social work, or performing some great world service on an outer level. Rather it is a service of being, a service of simply radiating who you are, shining the love and the light of the one Creator through your essential vibration. This is perceived by and is helpful to others.

It is a matter of waking up and being who you are. As you wrote, "Sometimes I do feel that and I realised lately that it may be important for me to "wake up", as If possibility of reaching my main goal here is comming."

2. It helps one to bring a certain order and perspective to the life that may have been previously unavailable. Like you said, ""The Law of One" enables me to reevaluate everything. It "explaind to me" why I am as I am without suggesting that I am mental ill/dysfunctional."

Many are able to finally make sense of themselves and the patterns of their life when they come to the understanding that they are a wanderer. This can be of tremendous aid in alleviating doubt, fear, worry, and stress.


On the question of Carla's relationship to Jesus...

She has spoken to this many times, and in wording much better than I can convey. My own understanding is that Carla is not praying to or with the Jesus entity that most Christian folks are relating to. Carla, rather, is praying to the Christ within Jesus, the vibration/consciousness/understanding that he represented and became emblematic for.

Further, Carla had a deep, personal, intimate experience with Jesus on multiple occasions as a child. She describes being able to sort of leave her body and go to a special/magical place where she met Jesus. Looking into his eyes, she knew what unconditional love was.

If I remember correctly, this experience ended for her as her parents or others in her life told young Carla it wasn't real.


On the question of balance...

As Ra said, everything that "assaults the senses" is catalyst, but I think Plenum hit the nail on the head in associating resistance with catalyst.

I think in terms of locating our imbalances, blockages, overactivations, underactivations, etc., resistance is a key clue. As is emotional charge.

Like Ankh said, Ra said a lot about balance! I think two principles helpful in the consideration of balance are:

ONE:
42.4 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

TWO:
5.2 Ra: The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.


Elsewhere you describe how others in your life have successfully been able to shut feelings/emotions off in order to exhibit some form of self-mastery and even manipulation of others. But by contrast, you have gone the other route of actually experiencing/feeling/processing these emotions.

I think this is the way of the positive polarity. In 95.24, Ra says:

"There is no outward shelter in your illusion from the gusts, flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst."

We cannot "defend" ourselves, precisely, from our selves. We cannot insulate ourselves from the inner experience of catalyst. However cruel it may seem to be, the positive entity must move *through* catalyst, and embrace catalyst.

46.9 Ra: "Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst."

During my searches befor I met Ra I've found claiming that to trully know the-Self we must recognize and at least for short time (i.e. during meditations) discard all needs/wants of Physical Vehicle (with all it's deceptions) to be able to "Look into True Self". That is for time being only way I know of how to be able to look beyod this physical manifestation of "Self" and to meet "Self" (and in some sense Creator Him Self).

I think that in the path of spiritual evolution, there must-needs be liberation from the mind/body complex, but that liberation happens not by subjugating or dominating the body/mind, or by discarding-rejecting the body/mind, but rather through knowing, and accepting, and balancing, and then, and only then, *transcending* the body and mind.

That is to say, going beyond the body/mind through *disidentification*, realizing that I have a body, but I am not the body, who am I? I have these thoughts, but I am not these thoughts, who am I?

I am very, very confused and at early stages of my Seakings. I started to implement my understanding (mind) into my life (body/spirit).

I think there is deep wisdom firstly in seeing that you are confused (because virtually any third-density entity would be lying to themselves to say that they do not have confusion), and secondly in accepting confusion. I think it one of the most empowering acts in this world to be okay with being confused, to be comfortable in the mid-air of not knowing.

If you dive into the conscious channeling of L/L Research, you'll see the theme repeated over and over that third-density is *designed* to be confusing, and that the wanderer, among other reasons, came here to be confused, and that there is enormous value in the confusion. Value because we can choose not to turn to the material world and its internal logic for validation/justification/support, but instead turn to faith to trust and to know the Creator.

Ehh, again I'm offering You oversized presentation of my thoughts. I'm sorry, it is so hard for me to express my Self in only few words. It is important for me to be precise.

Lol! This is not uncommon for the wanderer/spiritual seeker. There is a desire to be "complete" - to cover all the shades of nuance and meaning. I know that in myself there is forever a battle waging between the need for brevity and simplicity, and the desire to expand to a full, detailed, and complex survey in each situation. I tend to err on the side of the latter, though I'm always reaching toward the former, because most people don't have the time/interest/energy for gargantuan communications.

Simon, it's been a pleasure reading your words. If I've written anything that doesn't make sense or doesn't vibe with you, throw it in the waste bin. : )

Thanks for sharing your story!! I hope you'll stick with the forums and continue to share your evolving journey.

With love/light,
GLB

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks GLB. The part about wanderers was insightful. Sometimes I wonder if there's value in knowing I'm a wanderer. If somehow that will help my spiritual evolution. It's good to know that it has value. That we came here to answer the cries of sorrow upon planet Earth. It's definitely a tough school.

I just got a synchronicity of 111, and found this site:

http://sacredscribesangelnumbers.blogspo...r-111.html

It identifies with finding your purpose through connecting with your higher self. I often wonder about my purpose for being here. It must have been something rather important, as it's very hard to be here.

[third-density-being]

Your experience is similar to mine in some ways.
(..)
I do pray to Ra. Also Archangel Michael and Seth.
(..)
Welcome and thanks for sharing your story.

Hello Michael430,

First of all Thank You for your reply and Welcoming me here.

I'm Glad to meet Someone who had similar 'road' as I had - from belief, through knowledge, to Wisdom ("knowing within self"). I still am struggling with my "rational mind" which is "guarding" me from falling into another "belief". Although "guarding" is not best word to describe it. I think that 'rational mind' is somewhat of a "border" within Self that in case of One who fell for it once without holding back, now it's extremely hard to balance it (especially to made it equal with a Spirit) - mainly due to living in "material causality" which only enforcing this sphere of "Self".

My own opinion is that there is something very special and important about that FIRST view of the divine given to you as a child.

I agree. When You are introduced to a non-material values while Your "mind" (border-maker, border-guardian, border-worshiper) is still asleep, still building it's own capability of "understanding and judge" - You have a chance to learn how to accept and Love that which is not available to You in direct experience.
When Your "Mind" finally awakes, Your capability of acceptance & Love that which is non-material begins to be a function of the power of Your mind. Stronger the mind, lesser the chances to open Self for that what eludes its logic.
It may be hard to understand, but I still have moments when my "mind" is screaming to me to "get back" to his realm of "obviousness". It offers me "simplicity" and "order" but all that comes with "emptiness" of its own boundaries of understanding and "formula of acceptance" which at its core has "fact" as "acceptance indicator". So called "truth-measures" made by mind may be very convincing in this reality as both (mind and reality) are very compatible.
But since I felt/feel that I consist of more than my mind and this body I'm experiencin each day in my existence here, I cannot resign from part of Self that is beyond grasp of my mind. In some sense it would be like abandoning part of Self for different part of Self - it would be a disintegration of Self which I cannot accept.

[third-density-being]

Hi Simon!

Hello Bring4th_GLB,
Thank You for such comprehensive reply.

You have a probing, penetrating mind complex. You aim your light of inquiry upon principles that rich for further examination. My difficulty will be to restrain myself in reply, and limit the material I quote from your posting.

My mind is very intense part of myself and its role is somewhat dual:
1. He is my Supporter/Ally that did MUCH for me and still allow me to function with acceptable efficiency in this reality.
2. He is a Beast that imprison me long time ago and do what's in his power to pull me back to the cage from which I started to leave.

I am torn apart despite all I;ve learned from Ra materials and despite my own feelings. I'm balancing between so many "things" in my mind that it's hard sometimes to keep this balance. I have days when I still say "no" to my non-rational part of Self. But it's like trying to cover the Sun and says "No, there's no Sun". It works only for short time and than You can see light breaking through the "veil of rational mind". Words cannot express this properly.

To make my answer more "approachable" I'll quote only main points (for most part) of Your reply and I will comment each one.

On the question of knowing whether you are a wanderer...

I cannot imagine "knowing" as "remembering" previous lifes. If I would actually "remember", that this life would be totally different for me. There would be no struggle as presently where my mind is still asking me "are you sure"? He demand from me proofs that my decisions/bahaviour is not harmful for myself. For my mind, if I'm making my decisions based on "non-existing" (for him), I can never make good/proper/efficient choices.

In fact, this inner knowing can create big conflict and suffering for them, because their social environment does not confirm this knowing, and may even deny/reject/ridicule the knowing.

In such a case the wanderer soul may be in conflict with themselves, and may bury or repress the knowing and/or the memories.

That is exactly what I was writing about. Reject/Ridicule are those strongest factors for one strong in mind.
I would like to share my understanding with so many Other-Selves. But I do know that most will not understand and wiil reject information/me before They will be able to see "bigger picture" - the "Whole" that emerges from "The Law of One" Teachings. I've tried this couple times on public forums (and I was scrupulous as always). Some found it fascinating and I gave them links to the source (L/L site). But most didn't have proper categories/concepts/Words to discuss about it. I was seen as "another crazy person" and at some point I resigned from sharing this Wisdom in such open way.

But, without being dogmatic, and without being a fundamentalist, there is probably very little in the world that could convince you against the Law of One material. You know it is *your truth* to your bones.

I agree that if One is gaining his understanding in stages/successively, its ground are very firm and it is beyond of "being convinced otherwise" by outer sources - it is building a foundation within Self. It's almost like constructing Your own way-of-seeing (inner Eyes in some sense) Everything that is deeper than rational (of-this-reality) thought.
But this is very deep level of integration this Winsdom with Self which is not reachable for me at this time/point.

My feeling has always been that if one is asking themselves the question, and if one is attracted to higher-density information like the Law of One material, the probability is high that they are indeed a wanderer. In 36.24, Ra said, "We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups [of wanderers] that this information will, shall we say, make sense."

Now, this is an example of my struggle with my mind.
On one hand I'm finding information like that "explanatory" to some extent and adding in my seekings.
On the other hand it is claim based on a feelings that may be interpreted in various ways. Sometimes I'm afraid that I may be willing to accept Ra Wisdom because it is so hard for me to find my Self in this existence/reality. But this is my "mind speaking" - those are his ways of "getting me back" - by suggesting that I've accepted this Wisdom because of my dysfunctionality.

On the question of the value of knowing whether you are a wanderer...

Knowing that you are a wanderer simply connects you with the principal desire at the center of your heart. It is a reminder that the purpose of your incarnation – the very reason of your being – is to be a lighthouse in this darkness. That of course does not necessarily translate into the soup kitchen, social work, or performing some great world service on an outer level. Rather it is a service of being, a service of simply radiating who you are, shining the love and the light of the one Creator through your essential vibration. This is perceived by and is helpful to others.

This is beautiful what You've wrote - especially part of a "lighthouse".
So often I "measure" my "Servis to Others" based on what I "know" about how They were aided by me. But in my recent life I'm supporting mainly Strangers (by acts of acceptance and kindness - which are so natural for me, never forced) and as I go further I do not "see" if lifes (or even this day when it happened) of Those whom I've aided is/are better due to my actions. I always hope it is.

Many are able to finally make sense of themselves and the patterns of their life when they come to the understanding that they are a wanderer. This can be of tremendous aid in alleviating doubt, fear, worry, and stress.

It would be If I were able to accept that I might be one. But I continually doubt, question this.
There's always my mind, ready to strike in the peak of my doubt and uplift it as high as he can.

On the question of Carla's relationship to Jesus...

I thought about that and I decided that I will not ask about it Mrs. Carla. You see I do take Ra's Teaching quite literally and I do apply logic to it. My quite unfortuante mind-oriented understanding requires from me that If I'm accepting Ra Wisdom, I accept WHOLE. Also it's important for me to be consequent, and that was exactly why I asked about Mrs. Carla praying to Jesus - in the way I percived it was lack of consequences.

As I was thinking about it I realise one thing. I do not "Pray". Last time I did it when I was a child and since than - especially after my experiences - I cannot kneel and "Pray". Moreover it is my understanding that no prayer is necessary.

All is One. Jesus/RA/my Self/all of You/Creator - we are all One. Therefore what I should do is to KNOW Self/Other-Selves (and by that everything that is). "Prayer" in this understanding is - how to write it - "non-optimal" 'use' of my Self. It is (almost) as if I were praying to myself.
As You can see it is "weghting of the mind" and it is very specific to me. I do not want to impose and force to face this "non-complete understanding" to anyone - especially to Mrs. Carla. "Non-complete" because it is not integrated with other aspects of my Self and is based mainly on my mind.

On the question of balance...

As Ra said, everything that "assaults the senses" is catalyst, but I think Plenum hit the nail on the head in associating resistance with catalyst.

Yes, Bring4th_Plenum answer was/is Amazing for me and shows me balanced, deep view of this matter.

Thank You also for everything You've wrote. It is very current matter for me and I will returning here and read all Your replies many times.

I think that in the path of spiritual evolution, there must-needs be liberation from the mind/body complex, but that liberation happens not by subjugating or dominating the body/mind, or by discarding-rejecting the body/mind, but rather through knowing, and accepting, and balancing, and then, and only then, *transcending* the body and mind.

That is to say, going beyond the body/mind through *disidentification*, realizing that I have a body, but I am not the body, who am I? I have these thoughts, but I am not these thoughts, who am I?

Yes, I cannot on daily basis discard my body. But while I'm meditating I try sometimes to free myself from its material and very narrow boundaries. Regardless If I am successful in that I always come back to this reality in this material vehicle which is my burden.

I liked the way You propose to ask Self about Self. Nevertheless I think it is only a tool of directing Self - this question will be never answered in this existence.

I think it one of the most empowering acts in this world to be okay with being confused, to be comfortable in the mid-air of not knowing.

I can't write that I am "comfortable" with being confused. That is reason why I am seeking. But I do not have problems with admitting that - it is Truth - and to lie to Self is extremely not wise.

There is a desire to be "complete" - to cover all the shades of nuance and meaning. I know that in myself there is forever a battle waging between the need for brevity and simplicity, and the desire to expand to a full, detailed, and complex survey in each situation. I tend to err on the side of the latter, though I'm always reaching toward the former, because most people don't have the time/interest/energy for gargantuan communications.

The source of this desire to be "complete" may also come from the "mind". This is another example of how I cannot accept Self a Wanderer - I have always "another explanation" for any signs I can find in me.

For One who's seeking "gargantuan communications" are what they are looking for (I was). But I do understand what You ment. Many of my posts in many places are not read due to their lengths

Simon, it's been a pleasure reading your words. If I've written anything that doesn't make sense or doesn't vibe with you, throw it in the waste bin. : )

Thanks for sharing your story!! I hope you'll stick with the forums and continue to share your evolving journey.

With love/light,
GLB

Thank You Bring4th_GLB, it was a pleasure to read Your reply.

I'm sorry if my reply is not "complete" but it's quie late and I have to go to sleep. On the other hand I didn't want to leave Your post wihtout a reply, that's why I wrote above. There are topics I will want to touch again, but it has to wait for later time.

Once again Thank You for Your time and Your Words.

Take Care

[Steppingfeet]

Hey Simon,

My mind is very intense part of myself and its role is somewhat dual:
1. He is my Supporter/Ally that did MUCH for me and still allow me to function with acceptable efficiency in this reality.
2. He is a Beast that imprison me long time ago and do what's in his power to pull me back to the cage from which I started to leave.

You probably didn't intend this to be funny, but I got a good chuckle out of your description of the mind in these terms.

Ra says somewhere that the bulk of our work lies within the mind complex. I agree. If you can isolate one of the three complexes, the mind seems to be the basic source of our agony, suffering, the separate self, and, conversely, the mechanism through which the end to illusion is sought.

It is a powerful thing, the mind . And many, many times I, like you, have felt it to be an imprisoning influence. A burden. A creator of an inner environment of pain.

The undisciplined mind can be our worst "enemy", so to speak. (I know that the word doesn't ultimately apply, but it has does have limited application.)

I am torn apart despite all I;ve learned from Ra materials and despite my own feelings. I'm balancing between so many "things" in my mind that it's hard sometimes to keep this balance. I have days when I still say "no" to my non-rational part of Self. But it's like trying to cover the Sun and says "No, there's no Sun". It works only for short time and than You can see light breaking through the "veil of rational mind". Words cannot express this properly.

I think I grok what you're saying.

I have sort of stood back and watched the circus of the mind. I have marveled that this is me, this is happening in me, but that I seem to have little control over, or mastery of, this machine.

How odd a situation that "I" am at the mercy of my own mind. How odd that to make changes in consciousness, so much intensive work of knowing/accepting/balancing is required - I cannot just send an order down the hatch that says, "OK, mind, that's enough with all the pain of living. That's enough with the knee-jerk reactions. Initiate program to be perfectly love and always at ease no matter the circumstance. Also, be able to read whole books in five minutes and remember everything you read."

I cannot imagine "knowing" as "remembering" previous lifes. If I would actually "remember", that this life would be totally different for me. There would be no struggle as presently where my mind is still asking me "are you sure"? He demand from me proofs that my decisions/bahaviour is not harmful for myself. For my mind, if I'm making my decisions based on "non-existing" (for him), I can never make good/proper/efficient choices.

The need for rational analysis, evidence, proof, intellectual grasping of a situation, etc., can be a strength and a weakness, I think.

As a strength, you may survey more of the landscape, you may examine catalyst more thoroughly and carefully, you may be less inclined to the "vagaries of intuition" and superstitious belief, you may (potentially) be free-er from past conditioning, etc.

As a weakness, you may overly identify with mental patterns, you may miss the opportunity of faith, you may be overly doubtful and unable to accept the mysterious nature of this experience.

That is exactly what I was writing about. Reject/Ridicule are those strongest factors for one strong in mind.

Tolle equates mind with resistance. I don't think that is the totality of mind's function, but it tends to be the way mind is utilized on this planet.

I think that analytical analysis has its rightful place, but the highest function of the mind is to discipline a one-pointed focus, to be constantly recollected, to point the attention upon the present moment, and in that constancy of attention, to surrender, to accept, to create the space for the heart to shine.

I would like to share my understanding with so many Other-Selves. But I do know that most will not understand and wiil reject information/me before They will be able to see "bigger picture" - the "Whole" that emerges from "The Law of One" Teachings. I've tried this couple times on public forums (and I was scrupulous as always). Some found it fascinating and I gave them links to the source (L/L site). But most didn't have proper categories/concepts/Words to discuss about it. I was seen as "another crazy person" and at some point I resigned from sharing this Wisdom in such open way.

The batting average of any student of the Law of One material who attempts to share it with others is very, very low. : ) This information seems to appeal to a very small demographic on this planet.

Well said about others not having the proper "categories/concepts/words to discuss about it". This information is so far outside the conceptual box within which most live that there is no frame of reference to process it, no context, no vocabulary.

I agree that if One is gaining his understanding in stages/successively, its ground are very firm and it is beyond of "being convinced otherwise" by outer sources - it is building a foundation within Self.

I think that the path is a construction project, in a way; a "building a foundation". At the same time, i think, it is a process of subtraction in that you are not precisely gaining new abilities or new understanding or new growth, but are returning back to what you always have been, and already are right now, by un-doing the illusions that were superimposed over your original and true identity.

On the other hand it is claim based on a feelings that may be interpreted in various ways. Sometimes I'm afraid that I may be willing to accept Ra Wisdom because it is so hard for me to find my Self in this existence/reality. But this is my "mind speaking" - those are his ways of "getting me back" - by suggesting that I've accepted this Wisdom because of my dysfunctionality.

It sounds like you just need to trust your self. Your heart knows.

Personally I've been struggling with the energies of self-doubt my entire life, though I didn't become conscious of it till adulthood and the onset of the spiritual path.

My doubt doesn't always express itself in logic, per se; sometimes it just an energetic contraction, a feeling that I have said something wrong, or done something wrong, or that I, myself, am just wrong, or out of place, or foolish, etc. It is an energetic negation in the inherent rightness of self.

But, doubt and fear are the two things that are burnt up in the light or increasing loving awareness and acceptance of self.

Regardless If I am successful in that I always come back to this reality in this material vehicle which is my burden.

"Burden" and "prison" are two words I've applied to the experience of my own mind.

It does seem that way. And it is very real to the self that is more-or-less identified with the mind. BUT, there is a witnessing awareness within that *sees* the mind, but is not the mind. That witnessing awareness is you, and it is already free from the rough seas and tumultuous perturbations of the mind.

That witnessing awareness, i.e. who you are, is contacted through meditation.

I am curious, do you meditate, Simon?

I can't write that I am "comfortable" with being confused. That is reason why I am seeking. But I do not have problems with admitting that - it is Truth - and to lie to Self is extremely not wise.

Oh, for sure! Knowing/accepting the self requires the utmost honesty with the self.

In terms of being comfortable with confusion, I have found it a massive stress reliever to learn to shrug my shoulders when I am dizzy from trying to make sense of the world, and to declare simply that "I do not know", and be okay with that, and even see the humor in it.

I think this opens the tight grip of tension in the mind to create a space wherein some clarity may shine into the situation. It is one of the paradoxes that we often find our way by letting go.

The source of this desire to be "complete" may also come from the "mind". This is another example of how I cannot accept Self a Wanderer - I have always "another explanation" for any signs I can find in me.

Rational thought is, by nature, dualistic. That is, thought-forms inherently attempt to divide a unified reality into illusory categories of this thing or that thing. Thought attempts to label an infinite reality using finite labels, partitioning that one reality into seeming "parts".

It has enormous value in this plane of existence, but it's limitations must be recognized. Like you are saying, ANY position has two sides, or more sides. The somewhat unbiased and somewhat open mind can see the validity of different positions, and from this vantage point NOT know *ultimately* which one is "right".

Do you have trouble with indecision? I know I have similar workings of the mind in that I can see the validity of multiple points of view, or the rightness of multiple personal decisions. This then creates for me a paralysis of indecision, at times, because I do not know what is "best"; I do not know what is the truest criteria with which to assess the situation some times.

Many of my posts in many places are not read due to their lengths

lol. Yes. Ditto. It is unfortunate that the diurnal cycle of Earth is only 24 hours, and that we need roughly a third of that to sleep. Otherwise I would have more time for reading long writings (like my own).

Lots of love/light to you,
GLB

[third-density-being]

Hey Simon,

Hello

I have to write that it is a pleasure to read Your posts. I see that we have a lot in common in terms of "burden of the mind". It really feels Great do be understood.

You probably didn't intend this to be funny, but I got a good chuckle out of your description of the mind in these terms.

No I did not intended to be, but it is paradoxical and in consequence funny
When I try to combine those two points regarding duality of the mind function/role:

1. He is my Supporter/Ally that did MUCH for me and still allows me to function with acceptable efficiency in this reality.
2. He is a Beast that imprison me long time ago and do what's in his power to pull me back to the cage from which I started to leave.

- the conclusion is that I am supported by my mind as long as I'm staying in his rational cage. Any attempts of leaving the mind-cage results in "guardian becoming the attacker". His attack are pointed not directly at me but at any "grounds of understanding" that are being build beside/outside him/of him.
In other words help/support of my mind is conditional - same as his acceptance of my Self.

Ra says somewhere that the bulk of our work lies within the mind complex. I agree. If you can isolate one of the three complexes, the mind seems to be the basic source of our agony, suffering, the separate self, and, conversely, the mechanism through which the end to illusion is sought.

It is a powerful thing, the mind . And many, many times I, like you, have felt it to be an imprisoning influence. A burden. A creator of an inner environment of pain.

I agree for the most part. I personally would not be so cruel for the Mind. After all, in the end, it is thanks to him We are all here. Mind allowed us to understad Ra's Teachings. Even now, when We feel our Spiritual sides, it is our minds whom allowing Us to understand in ways foreign to them before. They're evolving with us, but not at high rate. Mind is the slowest one (at least in my case) - even my body can be much faster re-shaped with my Will than my mind complex.
In case of rational/of-this-reality experience, my mind is a semi-god and Archive Keeper. But in Spiritual/beyond-material-vehicle-five-senses-detection-ability he's like a turtle wondering on the beach of my experience.

The undisciplined mind can be our worst "enemy", so to speak. (I know that the word doesn't ultimately apply, but it has does have limited application.)

Yes, undisciplined mind is a Self-hurting instrument/part-of-Self.

I think I grok what you're saying.

I have sort of stood back and watched the circus of the mind. I have marveled that this is me, this is happening in me, but that I seem to have little control over, or mastery of, this machine.

How odd a situation that "I" am at the mercy of my own mind. How odd that to make changes in consciousness, so much intensive work of knowing/accepting/balancing is required - I cannot just send an order down the hatch (..)

Heh, I also wish it would work that way.
When You look at it logically, it is very odd. If We were only our minds and body, than We would only be able to "generate" needs/desires of those two natures. But I have a longing to Higher aspects of Being that I'm surrounded with. I'm not sure if this sentence express what I wanted to Share. I'm often looking in/at the sky - during the day and at nights. I was doing so from my early years and I was always absolutely fascinated with what I was feeling while doing that.
Above all Beauty and overwhelming magnitude/hugeness. And I felt Good. I was never afraid of what may be out ther. I was always Dreaming of being able to go there, to "meet the Universe in person". It is my Dream to this day. But what I'm getting at is that when I'm lowering my eyes I',m back on the surface of this Planet with its reality. Those are moments when I realize how non-material longings I just had while with me eyes at the Universe/Sky. I'm sorry its beyond words. It's just it is the Universe that always reminds me that there's more than I can grasp with my five sences.

The need for rational analysis, evidence, proof, intellectual grasping of a situation, etc., can be a strength and a weakness, I think.

As a strength, you may survey more of the landscape, you may examine catalyst more thoroughly and carefully, you may be less inclined to the "vagaries of intuition" and superstitious belief, you may (potentially) be free-er from past conditioning, etc.

As a weakness, you may overly identify with mental patterns, you may miss the opportunity of faith, you may be overly doubtful and unable to accept the mysterious nature of this experience.

Firstly very interesting term "mental patterns". It's reductive and therefore useful tool in objectivizing the mind.

Among strengths I also would put adaptive ability of the mind. For examply with each read of "The Law of One" I have deeper understanding of "The Whole" it is describing, and therefore my mind is working differently as at my first read for example.
Above all I keep in conscious mind that it is all a simplification. RA mentioned many times that it is hard for him to explain in our language, that some thing do not even has/have a name/label. During the sessions Ra was literally "creating concepts/terms" for understanding based on mind. But still all those labels are simplification due to our limited language/way of communicating. Therefore each word of Ra, each sentence may be and should be understood in many different ways/on many different levels. He's describing something ungraspable for us. But he tries to do it in category/with simplificators that allowing Us to understand in possible to Us, flawed way.
In other words it's not actual image of how things really are "out there, beyond material realm", but a simplification of this image which We are able to understand. When I understood that, my mind starts to offer me a multi-dimentional understanding/interpretations of Ra's Teachings - and he keeps doing so

Tolle equates mind with resistance. I don't think that is the totality of mind's function, but it tends to be the way mind is utilized on this planet.

I think that analytical analysis has its rightful place, but the highest function of the mind is to discipline a one-pointed focus, to be constantly recollected, to point the attention upon the present moment, and in that constancy of attention, to surrender, to accept, to create the space for the heart to shine.

Yes, mind has a power to focus the attention. But I think that he's also much more than that. He's Wisdom keeper in higher densities. Although I agree that our physical manifestation of the "mind" is quite crude.

RA said that all three aspect of Us - mind/body/spirit complex - are in fact three aspects of very same (ONE) "thing" - US - and consequently Infinite Creator. He said that there is process of integrating all those three aspects into One view of Self. But if I remember correctly it's not a third density work [Or is it? Maybe in some degree?]

The batting average of any student of the Law of One material who attempts to share it with others is very, very low. : ) This information seems to appeal to a very small demographic on this planet.

Well said about others not having the proper "categories/concepts/words to discuss about it". This information is so far outside the conceptual box within which most live that there is no frame of reference to process it, no context, no vocabulary.

Yes, and it is sad for me. I've heard once that when someone really understands something, he can express/describe it in very simple words/categories. And I think it is true. I'm convinced that when I'll gain deeper understanding of "The Law of One" I will be far more efficient in Sharing this Wisdom.
Also I do not believe that there are only "Us" and "Them". There's an infinite possibilities in between As was said everything has two or more sides. Not-understanding Us by Other-Selves may by caused also by Our impefect understanding and/or ability to express/Word it.
I also try to remember how I, myself process information that changes fundaments of my understanding. I need time to tame with it, I need space to reject, to disagree, even to ridicule. And I need time and non-judgement to be able to come back and try again.

I think that the path is a construction project, in a way; a "building a foundation". At the same time, i think, it is a process of subtraction in that you are not precisely gaining new abilities or new understanding or new growth, but are returning back to what you always have been, and already are right now, by un-doing the illusions that were superimposed over your original and true identity.

That was Beautiful. I wish one day I will be able to percive that way.
For now I'm still trapped in causality of this density and I do (in some cases even must) think in its categories.

From that perspective this Wisdom may be used for really evil purposes.
For exmaple its explaining what exacly "magic" is and shows what "inner work" is necessary for practicing it. But I guess everything at our "growth stadium" is of dual nature - even as Amazing Teachings as those Ra offered Us.

It sounds like you just need to trust your self. Your heart knows.

This is very difficult task for me. Nevertheless I do understand "Why" it's important and I am trying to do so.

Personally I've been struggling with the energies of self-doubt my entire life, though I didn't become conscious of it till adulthood and the onset of the spiritual path.

My doubt doesn't always express itself in logic, per se; sometimes it just an energetic contraction, a feeling that I have said something wrong, or done something wrong, or that I, myself, am just wrong, or out of place, or foolish, etc. It is an energetic negation in the inherent rightness of self.

But, doubt and fear are the two things that are burnt up in the light or increasing loving awareness and acceptance of self.

I liked "Inherent rightness of Seld" very much. Its truly surprising how Good One can Feel when is speaking/thinking of Self with Respect and Love. It "generates" Acceptance.

"Burden" and "prison" are two words I've applied to the experience of my own mind.

It does seem that way. And it is very real to the self that is more-or-less identified with the mind. BUT, there is a witnessing awareness within that *sees* the mind, but is not the mind. That witnessing awareness is you, and it is already free from the rough seas and tumultuous perturbations of the mind.

That witnessing awareness, i.e. who you are, is contacted through meditation.

I am curious, do you meditate, Simon?

Firstly idea of "awareness withnessing the mind" is very interesting. It's helpful in better understandig/loking at/searching essence of Self (to "grasp" what it really is).

Do I meditate? What I am doing is while laying every night before sleep, Im closing my eyes and focusing on my breath. At first my thougts are going crazy - I'm giving them some time to goof around but at some point I try to dismiss them. When I am able to hold my attention on the breath for at lest 10-20 breaths, I start to "listening Self" - it's quite passive activity - it's like focusing Your attention on boundlessness of Self i this state - state of inner Silence.
Since I do not check time I'm not sure how long it takes, but I think it's approximately 15-20 minuts every evening/night.

Oh, for sure! Knowing/accepting the self requires the utmost honesty with the self.

In terms of being comfortable with confusion, I have found it a massive stress reliever to learn to shrug my shoulders when I am dizzy from trying to make sense of the world, and to declare simply that "I do not know", and be okay with that, and even see the humor in it.

I think this opens the tight grip of tension in the mind to create a space wherein some clarity may shine into the situation. It is one of the paradoxes that we often find our way by letting go.

I'm trying to reach point when/where I will be able to shrug my shoulders in face of not-understanding. Currently may "need to understand" is full of Passion and it's not an easy task to restrain it. On the other hand as I wrote before I try not to "not-accept" Self and I'm continuously looking for way to accept/integrate All aspects of me (including the Mind and his needs).

I do have enormous sense of humor. I was intiqued when Ra called it "Law of Proportion" but He never got back to it. It is very helpful part of Self that allows to distance Our-Selves from the tension, as You wrote. I fully agree.

Rational thought is, by nature, dualistic. That is, thought-forms inherently attempt to divide a unified reality into illusory categories of this thing or that thing. Thought attempts to label an infinite reality using finite labels, partitioning that one reality into seeming "parts".

It has enormous value in this plane of existence, but it's limitations must be recognized. Like you are saying, ANY position has two sides, or more sides. The somewhat unbiased and somewhat open mind can see the validity of different positions, and from this vantage point NOT know *ultimately* which one is "right".

Do you have trouble with indecision? I know I have similar workings of the mind in that I can see the validity of multiple points of view, or the rightness of multiple personal decisions. This then creates for me a paralysis of indecision, at times, because I do not know what is "best"; I do not know what is the truest criteria with which to assess the situation some times.

I'm trying to apply my mind in my non-material work. It's very hard, but Ra gave Us concepts/categories and explained relations between them, so We do not have to resing from our Minds (part of Selves) to go/pursue this patch. And for that I am Eternally Grateful - without that I could never accept this Teachings.

Regarding decision making process. When I use my mind, I almost always "know" what "should be". But when I'm trying to use my Heart without Mind, I want to offer what I have best to Others, I want to Open Self for Them, to Share all I have, to support, to Know everyone/everybody, etc. It's extremely naive and self-destructive. Without mind I would not survive here, in this reality.

lol. Yes. Ditto. It is unfortunate that the diurnal cycle of Earth is only 24 hours, and that we need roughly a third of that to sleep. Otherwise I would have more time for reading long writings (like my own).

Not only diurnal cycle, but our life span as well - RA said that usual time-frame for one third density incarnation is one thousand (1000) years. We have a vibratory mess for a long time and Ours were reduced substantially.

This time I wanted to offer You my Utmost in my answer. In time I'm sure my "utmost" will be larger/deeper/more thoughtful. Please be patient with me

Take Care

[Steppingfeet]

- the conclusion is that I am supported by my mind as long as I'm staying in his rational cage. Any attempts of leaving the mind-cage results in "guardian becoming the attacker". His attack are pointed not directly at me but at any "grounds of understanding" that are being build beside/outside him/of him.

Howdy Third-Density Being,

"Mind cage", I like that and resonate with that term, deeply. I see how you describe, and experience, both the strength and the weakness of the rational mind.

The single means I know of transcending the limitations of the mind - in a way that gains the support and assent of the mind - is time spent in silence.

Here is a thought from Ramana Maharshi, first, a couple of explanations about his terminology:

He uses the word "ego" in a way that I find appropriate, and that I think Ra would endorse, that is, "ego" as the separate self, the individual "I", the big fiction.

Also, elsewhere, and in multiple instances, Ramana says that "Guru" isn't, ultimately, an entity outside of you. It is the deepest you.

He says: "The ego is a very powerful elephant and cannot be brought under control by anyone less than a lion, who is no other than the Guru in this instance; whose very look makes the elephant tremble and die."

He intends the Guru here as total, one-pointed contemplation and absorption. *That* causes the seemingly powerful and unruly "ego" (i.e., the mind of the separate self) to see its subservience (so to speak) to that which is beyond the mind.

Also, caffeine helps.

I agree for the most part. I personally would not be so cruel for the Mind. After all, in the end, it is thanks to him We are all here. Mind allowed us to understad Ra's Teachings.

Agreed and well put. Like Ra says, "Were there no potentials for misunderstanding and, therefore, understanding, there would be no experience."

...even my body can be much faster re-shaped with my Will than my mind complex.

Ha!

In case of rational/of-this-reality experience, my mind is a semi-god and Archive Keeper. But in Spiritual/beyond-material-vehicle-five-senses-detection-ability he's like a turtle wondering on the beach of my experience.

I know that we are using shorthand, that is, cramming a lot of variety into very simple and general concepts. So we don't cover all the nuances. But the shorthand is still helpful.

That said, I think you are totally right. The "mind" (at least how it's generally used) thinks that it runs the show and is in control.

But when one zooms out to the Big Picture, the mind is the tiniest tiny bubble on an inconceivably vast, bound-less ocean of intelligence and identity.

When You look at it logically, it is very odd. If We were only our minds and body, than We would only be able to "generate" needs/desires of those two natures. But I have a longing to Higher aspects of Being that I'm surrounded with. I'm not sure if this sentence express what I wanted to Share. I'm often looking in/at the sky - during the day and at nights. I was doing so from my early years and I was always absolutely fascinated with what I was feeling while doing that.

Above all Beauty and overwhelming magnitude/hugeness. And I felt Good. I was never afraid of what may be out ther. I was always Dreaming of being able to go there, to "meet the Universe in person". It is my Dream to this day. But what I'm getting at is that when I'm lowering my eyes I',m back on the surface of this Planet with its reality. Those are moments when I realize how non-material longings I just had while with me eyes at the Universe/Sky. I'm sorry its beyond words. It's just it is the Universe that always reminds me that there's more than I can grasp with my five sences.

I understand that these things are difficult to articulate, especially in a second language, but I feel the beauty in what you write.

Though I cannot claim to understand completely, I believe that you highlight a basic dichotomy in spiritual seeking: cosmic feelings of wonder, peace, and truth one one hand; and the turbulent, painful, difficult, small "reality" in the social situation of planet Earth.

I think that the seeming "distance" between these two perspectives helps to create deep, existential pain for the wanderering soul. And this gap between the two perspectives also contributes to the feeling that the mind/body is a prison.

But the beauty of spiritual teaching is that *exactly* this material that seems to torture and imprison us is that which can be *used* for liberation and evolution. None of the hard catalyst is designed to trap us, but rather, teach us.

Not so easy, though. I know. I empathize with your feelings.

During the sessions Ra was literally "creating concepts/terms" for understanding based on mind. But still all those labels are simplification due to our limited language/way of communicating. Therefore each word of Ra, each sentence may be and should be understood in many different ways/on many different levels. He's describing something ungraspable for us. But he tries to do it in category/with simplificators that allowing Us to understand in possible to Us, flawed way.

You know, you're right. Like Newton devising calculus - that is, a new language of abstract symbols and formula to intellectually grasp and manipulate nature's *already existing* processes and intelligence - Ra created (or refined existing) terminology to help them convey a very precise message that would be accessible to the mind.

BUT, they did not intend to reduce the universe to these concepts. Rather, they intended these concepts to become clear, strong, relatively undistorted bridges into the unknown, into the mystery.

In other words it's not actual image of how things really are "out there, beyond material realm", but a simplification of this image which We are able to understand. When I understood that, my mind starts to offer me a multi-dimentional understanding/interpretations of Ra's Teachings - and he keeps doing so

Yes! It is quite the revelation when you realize that generally what we are working with (*especially with language*) are symbols for the unknown. Symbols that helps us to translate the mystery, and make some sense of it, and provide some context for our experience.

It is also interesting to see that language is a symbol, just like the content of dreams are symbols, but even in the waking reality, "people" are symbols for the divine, with varying depths of distortion.

One way of viewing the difficulty of the third-density experience is to understand that these symbols have, for the most part, all become opaque to the One.

Firstly idea of "awareness withnessing the mind" is very interesting. It's helpful in better understandig/loking at/searching essence of Self (to "grasp" what it really is).

I think it's helpful to generate that understanding that you are not your thoughts. You have thoughts, of course, but you are not your thoughts. You are better understood as the awareness behind the thoughts. You are the knowing. You are the seeing. You are not the contents of consciousness, but the unqualifiable consciousness itself. You cannot be turned into an object, because you are that which is aware of objects.

It's finding what's permanent and unchanging "underneath" the marching swirl of identity patterns in time and space.

And on the mystical seeking goes until there is no longer subject/object duality as all is again experienced as One without reference to a separate self "in here".

Do I meditate? What I am doing is while laying every night before sleep, Im closing my eyes and focusing on my breath. At first my thougts are going crazy - I'm giving them some time to goof around but at some point I try to dismiss them. When I am able to hold my attention on the breath for at lest 10-20 breaths, I start to "listening Self" - it's quite passive activity - it's like focusing Your attention on boundlessness of Self i this state - state of inner Silence.
Since I do not check time I'm not sure how long it takes, but I think it's approximately 15-20 minuts every evening/night.

I try most often to do that before drifting off to bed as well. "Listening to the Self", in a sort of passive, observing way, is congruent with my own understanding. I like that, "listening to the self".

Regarding decision making process. When I use my mind, I almost always "know" what "should be". But when I'm trying to use my Heart without Mind, I want to offer what I have best to Others, I want to Open Self for Them, to Share all I have, to support, to Know everyone/everybody, etc. It's extremely naive and self-destructive. Without mind I would not survive here, in this reality.

What do you mean by "When I use my mind, I almost always 'know' what 'should' be"?

Are you saying that the green-ray tendencies within you would give yourself to others without reservation, thereby unwisely expending your energy and failing to take care of your own needs?

Not only diurnal cycle, but our life span as well - Ra said that usual time-frame for one third density incarnation is one thousand (1000) years. We have a vibratory mess for a long time and Ours were reduced substantially.

Yes, my friend the Chinese translator of the Law of One remarked recently at the humor of the paradox that in a universe of timelessness and eternity, we seem to have so little time.

This time I wanted to offer You my Utmost in my answer. In time I'm sure my "utmost" will be larger/deeper/more thoughtful. Please be patient with me

Are you kidding? You think and write excellently, *especially* as English isn't your native language. In this density I don't think that the incarnate self can ever have a total, complete transmission between one m/b/s complex to another. (Perhaps this is the violet-ray energy transfer Ra hinted at?) But for even the partial picture you've been able to paint with your words, it is an enlightening one.

With love/light,
GLB

[Adonai One]

15.11 Questioner: Can you tell me how you balance the ego?

Ra: I am Ra. We cannot work with this concept as it is misapplied and understanding cannot come from it.

I do not believe Ra would endorse use of the concept, period.

[michael430]

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[kycahi]

Welcome, Simon. Most people here share your opinions regarding self and others and the Law. I dunno if I'm a Wanderer and, in order not to get into any ego issue, I decided that I could be a Third Density being who has compassion and tries to have a loving and forgiving attitude toward other-selves and help when I can. Whether I really Wander is not for me to know in this life, so I assume nothing about that. I just try to live a positive-path life and pack in lots of experience to examine when I get to the other side.

Regarding "balancing," I just assume that the more I meditate the better balanced I will get. I see no need to do any other exercise. That's just me, though, so if you wish to experiment in another way, I hope it helps.

Carla became a dedicated Christian at an early age and found a lot of comfort in that. She saw no need to put it aside after exposure to the Law. Whether she prays to "God" or "Jesus" is not important anyway. Her higher self will note her requests and respond in the best way to help her help others.

Continue to ask questions and answer some, too. Somebody will contribute if an answer is off the mark. Remember to live as rich a life as you can, and not just spend it reading the Law and these forums. They are for your reference as you have a real life.

[third-density-being]

Hello Dear Seakers.

First of all Thank You for your replies.

I can go on with mind-conversation with You GLB to the end of time. But lately I think that the way I started to write (especially my last reply) is somewhat polluting this forum with shallow mind logic and " rational words composition" rather than sharing my understanding.

To express it better I would like to answer Your question:

What do you mean by "When I use my mind, I almost always 'know' what 'should' be"?

I am on - as I call it - "Mind-Path". I do not know how to "proceed" differently. It is my "benchmark" of everything - including myself.
Many of You here are more or less spiritual Beings whom have and understand to some degree spiritual part of Your-Selves".
It's something I am not. I think/feel that I am not "spiritual" at all due to my "path of the mind". For example I cannot and I will not pray - ever. For me to "pray" it would be to admit that I am "worse" / "lower" than "object" of my prayers - whoever that may be - Jesus, RA or Creator Him-Self. I am not, and Ra Materials confirmed this to me. That is understanding which I drew from "The Law of One". This is not "pride" or "EGO" speaking. It is how I was/am carved by my experience in this life. I cannot kneel and pray. I don't want to. I deeply believe that it is not the way for me. My way is to understand and to experience - those are acceptable "action-of-Self" for me.

Consequences of this approach is what I wrote to You GLB - that when I am using my mind alone, I always "know what should be".
Mind divides all and creates a hierarchy. Everything that is in the range of the mind (what can be perceived with five senses) has assigned "value-weights" (statistical tool). This seals/cements the structure created by the mind and make hierarchy very transparent - even obvious.
In construction like this there's no doubts, there's no mistery, there's no surprises - all there is, is "order" and the "strength" it offers - Strength of "knowing" the value of things which gives You quite simply "formula of acting". You "know" what to do, because You "know" what is more and what is less important; what has primacy and what is "secondary".

As You can see I took "Mind-Path" to quite extreme. And honestly when basing on that alone I simply should not be here. I should never have accepted Ra's teaching and should never be able to conversate in the way I am here. But I AM, and this is something absolutely amazing/astonishing for me - that I am doing all this. That I do want to do this, that I do feel the need to do this.

I did and still do accept Ra's teachings - sometimes all over again, when I fall into doubts, like I did couple weeks ago. I have periods of rejecting and rejoining with "The Law of One" Wisdom, even now, after all those years. But I think it is necessary for me, for One on the path of the Mind. To "rediscover" this Wisdom all over again, and again. It deepens this Wisdom in me every time I do that.
And that is exactly why I wanted to Share with all of You my experiences, my "road".
I know there are many like me in this world, whom has found "The Law of One" but Their minds can not permit Them to Open Them-Selves on this Wisdom. They may even come here and read Your words to try to find Them-Selves in them. If One is so strong in mind as I am, it may not be possible to find the "tone"/"vibration" (or whatever You will call it - it's just a word) with which They can synchronize Their understanding.

I am here to tell You, to let You know that even an orthodox minded Being is able to accept Ra. I am living example of it. All You have to do is to Learn enought to be able to see "bigger picture". Not only single informations which Ra shared with Don/Carla/Jim (and consequently all of Us), but to use all this information to build in your head picture of "The Whole". That is the only known to me way of being able to accept this material without rejecting the Mind - something I cannot do, and I think many Others cannot either.

There's more. Currently I can accept ONLY Ra's teaching and it is more than enought for me. I have the materials which I can study with my mind and deepen my understanding of it. I cannot accept any other "channelings". For example it is not acceptable for me to "take what resonates with me and reject the rest" - this is not the way of the mind. ALL that is said is a base for evaluating given material. Perhaps it is due to my mind-approach that I cannot differentiate on different level than the level of the mind. I do not thrust my "inner feelings" to the extent that I can put them next to "mind based knowledge/conviction". I've tried really hard but it is a road to defeat and rejection of all informations that are not imbedded/rooted in the mind. In time I would loose it all and get back to the starting point.

And this is one of the most amazing things about Ra Materials - it gives You this possibility to approach it with your mind. To "fight/struggle" with it and it IS defending it-self very, very well. Excellent in fact. To write Ra was/were thoughtfull in conducting this communication the way He/They did, is to write very little. The way He/They done it, permitted me to accept it. And I can ensure You that every single thing matters to me - even the way each communication on Their side starts - with "I am Ra" - it may be irritating for some, but for me it is VERY important - this and many other (seemingly) details of Their communication.
In the face of this Wisdom - I, with my "mind" - I am like a "bug" on an infinite stone, trying to escape the overwhelming Sunlight. Because I cannot ignore this "Sunlight" (I've tried for years, but I always came back to it) I began to learn to accept it. The only known way to me to do that, is with my Mind. And this is my Path.

In the face of all above You can start to wonder how than I am even able to begin to comprehend/understand/experience Wisdom that can not be deducted from this reality - from informations available to the Mind (five sences)? There is a way.
There are (in mind realm) two kinds of experiences - objective and subjective.
"Objective" is the one which is/can be repetitive - the one that can be "reproduce"/repeated by Others when given detailed instruction.
"Subjective" is the one that can be experienced ONLY by YOU and You alone. You cannot "give the recipe" to anyone how to repeat it in controlled conditions (e.i. scietific experiment). But in the process of learning/discovering the nature of "Self" You do not need to be 'reasured" by Others - it is YOUR work - not Others. When You have a subjective experience You can still use your Mind to examine it, to watch it closely and try to understand it. In order to do that You may be forced to redefine what You understand as your "Mind" but You will never be forced to reject it, to negate it (and by "it" I mean "part of Self").

My subjective experience has its source mainly in my meditations and rediscovering Wisdom contained in "The Law of One". In my everyday life it is a "memory" of this subjective experience that step by step changing my perception of everything without tearing me apart (rejecting part of Self - the Mind).
I think beautiful example of this "balanced approach" is shown in Plenum reply to this thread. It is a quintessence of not falling into the extreme in understanding the Ra's teaching to literally - it shows You how to translate this Wisdom into You life. I have read Plenum reply many times and I will be coming back to read it many times more. It helps me to balance my "extremity" provided by my mind.
Once again Thank You Plenum for your Words.


I realize that what I've wrote above maybe very strange (or even abstruse) for most of You. But this is "my path" and my undarstanding. I also belive that it may be helpful for some - that is why I wrote all above - to show You my Dear Seakers that You are not alone.

Are you saying that the green-ray tendencies within you would give yourself to others without reservation, thereby unwisely expending your energy and failing to take care of your own needs?

That is exactly what I ment.
Without my Mind, I do not have any boundaries and in physical illusion it is a death sentence - or to be more precise - end of the possibility of Service to Others in this existence.

With love/light,
GLB

Thank You. I wish You GLB and Everyone else All Best.

Simon

[third-density-being]

Welcome, Simon. Most people here share your opinions regarding self and others and the Law. I dunno if I'm a Wanderer and, in order not to get into any ego issue, I decided that I could be a Third Density being who has compassion and tries to have a loving and forgiving attitude toward other-selves and help when I can. Whether I really Wander is not for me to know in this life, so I assume nothing about that. I just try to live a positive-path life and pack in lots of experience to examine when I get to the other side.

Regarding "balancing," I just assume that the more I meditate the better balanced I will get. I see no need to do any other exercise. That's just me, though, so if you wish to experiment in another way, I hope it helps.

Carla became a dedicated Christian at an early age and found a lot of comfort in that. She saw no need to put it aside after exposure to the Law. Whether she prays to "God" or "Jesus" is not important anyway. Her higher self will note her requests and respond in the best way to help her help others.

Continue to ask questions and answer some, too. Somebody will contribute if an answer is off the mark. Remember to live as rich a life as you can, and not just spend it reading the Law and these forums. They are for your reference as you have a real life.

Hello Kycahi.

I am sorry, I missed your post earlier.
Thank You for sharing your thoughts with me. I see we have similar thoughts of Self and Other-Selves (for the most part).

My life have changed drasticly in last ten years to the extent that I'm living in solitude currently. It is my hope that better understanding of The Law of One will help me "get back" among Peoples.
I'm strongly task oriented and right now my "task" is to Understand best I can Ra's teachings. As times goes by I start to realize that this is an on-goinng process that will probably take rest of my life. I truly hope that at some point I will be able to "open myself" to Others again, but it will be a long process. I was hurt too many times to just dismiss it all and move on. I do not know yet how to "forgive".
As I see it, I'm trying to "heal my Self" with this Wisdom and better understand WHY and WHAT has happend to me.
As always - time will tell.

All Best to You my Dear Other-Self

[Steppingfeet]

Dear Simon,

As You can see I took "Mind-Path" to quite extreme. And honestly when basing on that alone I simply should not be here. I should never have accepted Ra's teaching and should never be able to conversate in the way I am here. But I AM, and this is something absolutely amazing/astonishing for me - that I am doing all this. That I do want to do this, that I do feel the need to do this.

This is humorous. : )

This a minor theme among those who accept and study this information. Many enjoy the information despite themselves!

By that I mean, many have come to the information as skeptics who would usually never give information "like this" any further consideration. Yet... yet the material seems to grab hold of us, and speak to us on a very, very deep level.

And this is one of the most amazing things about Ra Materials - it gives You this possibility to approach it with your mind.

Ra is exceptionally balanced in that regard. It presents this technical precision and consistent logic that satisfies the left-brained, analytical mind. But the profundity of the content of the information offered, the way the words are formulated, and the ratios of the space between the words conveys something very powerful and available to the receptive spirit.

I don't mean to make a sacred cow of this information. I just speak admiringly about something I love.

I also belive that it may be helpful for some - that is why I wrote all above - to show You my Dear Seakers that You are not alone.

I have enjoyed this. I'm sure that both your sharing of self here, and your future, even more refined sharing of self, will be of aid to others.

17.30 Ra: The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Love and Light!
GLB