David Wilcock, ACIM, and my major downer

[kristy1111]

I just need to cry on somebody's shoulder right now so if there's any shoulder out there willing to subject itself to my tears, then please lean forward.

Bear with me, this does lead to the subject of LOO, but I have to give a brief background:

I have a sweet friend that I just love who is 100% dedicated to the teachings of ACIM (A Course In Miracles). He runs several websites, has a radio show, writes articles, has an online video show, etc. etc. He also has been WALKING all over the nation to "spread love" to others. He left his wife, right after she had her first baby (that died) to take this walk, and he's been gone for months. He took no money and no provisions, and is depending upon the love and generosity of other people, saying he trusts and has faith that he will be cared for. He and I have had some very deep discussions and shared emails regarding ACIM.

I tried so hard to "get it" (ACIM) but just couldn't. I can understand this life being an "illusion" in that we think we are not connected, and even thinking that our "seeing" all of this is more of a holographic type of experience. I know that when you really get down to it, we're all a bunch of "particles" and empty space. But I can't grasp the idea that all of this isn't "real"...none of the universe, none of the densities, none of US. I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, I struggle immensely with ACIM. It makes feel lost and afraid and brings me no peace. I don't understand it and to be honest, I don't want to. ACIM doctrrine feels like hell to me.

Okay, so David Wilcock is a man I highly respect and he has helped bring me a long way in my spiritual path. The LOO is a big (huge) part of his life, which just thrills me. For the first time, something was really resonating with me!

So...today I got onto his website and I noticed he had a whole section dedicated to ACIM, even had a man that runs that part of the site. David is the one who requested that this part of his site be done. I seriously felt like somebody had punched me in the gut as hard as they could. I felt a little panicky. I know I'm just being a cry baby, but I was just sooooo upset about this. I felt as if all the progress I'd made spiritually was shot to hell because now the site I love to go to is embracing something that scares me so much.

I am in a deep depression right now as a result of it...crying...blah blah blah...wahhhhh waaaaahhhh....

I almost feel like a person who perhaps had climbed for a long time up a mountain so they could glimpse the light, and somebody pushed them down to the bottom. I feel like somebody knocked me back into kindergarten. No...pre-school. I just don't know what to do anymore, or what to believe, or what to embrace. I feel like crap.

Thanks for "listening". Sorry I'm so emotional. I just don't have anybody to turn to but people like you.

Love, Kristy the confused, messed up, blubbering pre-schooler
David talks about graduating to 4th density, and on up the ladder...he talks about spiritual evolution and all the things LOO teaches. So if that's the case, why start teaching that none of us exist? It seems so contradictory.

[ayadew]

It is real, but it's not all there is. If something does not resonate or make you feel bad, you can simply leave it. It's easy to say, but that's the essence of it. Create how many reasons not to or complications you prefer to prevent this, but that's your best goal.

I see you have surrendered a great deal of personal power to this ACIM which you find negative. You may have surrendered the same to Wilcock, depending on him to grant you spiritual growth/happiness. It must not have to be this way. You need not depend on anyone external for your own happiness. You can say NO! You can say YES to the things you really want! Act on what you really wish.. only focus on that, always.
Imagine the best version of yourself that you want to be. Then become it! Now!

We live now. We are human. If a 4th density, or anything great awaits us later, then good!
But it's the journey that counts, not the goal. To depend on some great 'ascension' to come to bail oneself out is not very constructive I think. What if there is no goal, what if there is only now? Then goals become of no meaning, only a state of being becomes meaningful.
And I see you've chosen a state that is not meaningful for you. You can chose something else. Again, simple to say, but I think such thinking could be useful to you.

[Aaron]

Hello again, Kristy!

I haven't yet read ACIM, although I plan to, so I can't give you anything context-specific to that book. But I can comment on how you feel.

I think that all spiritual writings, from big ones like the Tao Te Ching or the Bible to small ones like ACIM or any number of new age books, are all different ways of expressing the same Truth. I don't think any one religion or book encompasses the whole spiritual Truth, and furthermore, I think it's actually impossible to put the Truth wholly into logic. All religions and doctrines are signposts that point to the one realization. And every person is going to read those signposts a little differently, come back with a slightly different message on their own very unique path of self discovery.

One of the main reasons why humanity doesn't follow one single religion is because of the way we all interpret things differently. No matter what book or religion we're talking about, it made entire sense to the person who started or wrote it. It came from them so it was 100% compatible with them. Others may be able to have a little or a very large amount of realization from that teaching, but whatever amount they have, it will be what they need at that time to spiritually grow.

This is a place where we can use the term "resonate". I think we can say that the teaching of ACIM doesn't resonate with you. This doesn't necessarily mean it's true, untrue, bad, good, etc. It just means the unique way that you interpret things (also not necessarily bad or good), the way that you "vibrate", prevents you from receiving the whole intended message. There is no reason to feel bad about this. After all, that's why there are so many of us! Not a single one of us can understand or do everything. We all have our unique talents and methods of understanding.

David Wilcock is able to take a different message from ACIM than you are or I am. If he's dedicated a portion of his site to it, that means it's obviously helped him spiritually grow.

If you try too hard to understand the nature of the illusion, you'll get a headache, believe me! Instead, can you simply sit back and see how you and the illusion are working together in this moment? Can you let it be? Is it so important to find out what you "need" to embrace immediately? Can it wait? Does it detract from who you are, or are you already whole right now, despite the illusion? Meditate/pray on these things...

Love

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It is real, but it's not all there is. If something does not resonate...

Well said, Ayadew!

I had an epiphany today. "I will never be any more ME than I am in this very moment." It is the journey that counts.

[Lavazza]

Hey Kristy,

I know how you feel to some degree, and can resonate with your confusion. If I may suggest, there are many religions, many beliefs, and very likely as many paths back to the creator as there are humans. In the face of such an overwhelmingly large array of different choices, one way that I and many others have found their unique path is to simply follow that which makes the most sense to you. Or in L/L terminology, use what information resonates within you and do not become overly concerned with that which does not. This sounds overly simple, but I think it is the wisest approach to spirituality.

The fact that you have such a hard time accepting ACIM is more than enough of a hint, in my opinion, that it is not for you. Certainly by example of your ACIM enthusiast friend, it is for others. This is not a problem in the larger scheme of things. Also, I see no conflict in accepting some information from someone you admire and not accepting other information, such as that that David Wilcox offers. I for example, resonate highly with the research scientist Dean Radin and his conclusive proof of PSI functioning (telepathy, etc.) but do no resonate with his possible explanations (that we don't fully understand the brain instead that our souls are the cause).

What is "true" and "not true" are intentionally obscured from us here on earth. This is so we can do our spiritual work without a cheat sheet. It seems like you are doing just fine with your work.

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Aaron and Ayadew, it seems like all of us were writing our responses at about the same time and each gave different flavors of the same response. I find this funny and comforting at the same time. Kudos to you all!

[Ali Quadir]

*fights the crowd to offer his shoulder*

I must admit that the only thing I know about a course in miracles is that my mother has it in her bookcase. So another will have to speak cleverly about that book. I personally do not qualify.

In my humble opinion you're looking at the dark night of the soul. A period in human development where they make the transition from a universe where they are guests to a universe where they are the essential component. Everyone who is evolved enough to be able to grasp it's particular difficulty will at some time experience it. I did too. Unless you allow it to distract you from you it's not a big thing.

Basically, in the first the universe is solid. In the second it is like water in its responsiveness and transparency. (Don't overestimate my words it sounds bigger than it really is the effect in reality is only subtle) The first thing you begin to realize is that the solidity of the universe is illusory. If you change your perspective it actually changes shape. Our immediate interpretation is that it isn't real, it's just a figment of your imagination. It's however more accurate (in the tradition of clever word tricks) to call it the *I* *Magi* *Nation*

However, illusion and real are not opposites. An optical illusion for example really exists, it generates real experience and can really be understood and manipulated. It's just not what you thought it to be at first. The same with the world. You exist, therefore everything you experience exists. It's not what you thought it was. And a universe that seemed cast in stone at first turns out to be swirling clouds and dynamic and continously reconfiguring itself. This is freedom, I suppose this is why ACIM is so full of it, because you need to live in a dynamic world for miracles to be able to occur.

Allow me to stress that everything you love hate or otherwise experience is real and will never stop being real in the definition where real is simply "that which is". It is in fact more real, you used to see the object and imagine the soul within. You are moving towards where you see the soul and experience the objects around it. This might seem like a small difference. But the soul can express itself in infinite forms. While every form has just one soul it could convert to... Do you understand when I say "becoming more real"? And somewhere along the way is that dark abbyss we have to leap across while not being able to see the other side.

If you want to find a sweet spot in the experience where it is joyous to you, I think you're going to have to accept that it's you that makes things real... Why is a job important? Because we make it so. Why is a love affair real? Because we choose to follow it's experience, it's illusory because we could choose an infinite amount of paths to experience. Yet we choose this one.. It's going to be harder and harder to find meaning without making choices. Yet choices aren't hard if you choose the right ones. And the right ones are always those made from your compassion and love. If you choose to chase your compassion and love every next choice will become a reflection of it.

What things do you absolutely want to be real? Define them as such while realizing that you're at some level likely misunderstanding the true nature of these things. However your irrational reasons to be enthusiastic about them are beyond misunderstanding. So you can rely on them. You may discover a love for a person was driven from a desire to have a certain experience. But acquiring that experience is then at least as satisfying as the thing we once thought to be the reason. Like a compass we always know the direction even if we don't know the territory.

ACIM to you has become a symbol of this hurt. But combined with your compass it's actually a landmark for you to get to know your surroundings. Beyond any illusion lies a cause, if you are attracted to an illusion you're actually attracted to the underlying cause. So it's okay to be attracted. You might figure out it was all an illusion at some point, but that's usually when you start to grasp the bigger picture. The bigger picture might help you in deciding that some illusions are clearly related and work on them in unison. Fix a little thing here and you might have a result there or more likely everywhere.

You don't have to fear moving forward. It usually improves life a great deal.

You'll find we do exist. In fact we're the totality of existence. It's just the current circumstances that are subject to change, we are illusions in the way that we're seeing our true self yet experiencing it in a different way. It isn't real in the sense that we can choose from many alternatives. But it is real in the sense that when the choice is made that's all there will be. Adapt your frequency to move towards areas you enjoy being in, these are great places for spiritual growth and are healthy for you. If you don't enjoy a situation change it by changing your frequency, the way you deal with it. The higher self isn't an abstract external entity. Its the true honest to God you that experiences life exactly as you do now. It is however unhindered by your fears and limitations. It can be approximated by total emptiness but it is also an explosion of all events at the same time. As such it is you, no less, unexternalizable and completely intimately one with you. It's the infinite perspective on you, to it all things are illusory, and it creates from the illusions the total experience that we call life.

Which life is your call. You get to guide it by expressing in your actions the world you wish to live in. It's a process with ups and downs. But on the whole has great benefits.

Namaste

[Monica]

Kristy,

I don't know much about ACIM - never got into it for some reason - but I do know what it feels like to be let down by someone we admire. I also know what it feels like to be confused when someone whom we otherwise agree with has views that seem incongruous with what we know about that person.

As an example, the chiropractor I used to see (until he passed on) was totally into alternative health and spirituality, but politically was totally right-wing ultra-conservative. Whenever I went to his office, I had to ask him to please turn off the radio, as I didn't want to listen to Rush Limbaugh while I got my chiropractic adjustment. This otherwise 'aware' seemingly Lightworker would turn suddenly cold and even ruthless when certain political topics came up. I never could wrap my head around the idea of him being a steadfast fan of Rush! It just didn't compute!

I finally just had to accept this little 'quirk' of his...After all, he was an excellent chiropractor!

The idea of our turbulent yet beautiful 3D reality not being 'real' is quite popular. I know of people who took The Matrix quite literally, and I know of lots of self-proclaimed Lightworkers who won't stop digging until they find out just how far the rabbit hole goes...never realizing that it's as deep as they choose it to be. Then there are the Christian Scientists and the followers of that guru whose name eludes me...who totally disregard the function of catalyst altogether and basically teach that if anyone has any problems whatsoever, it's because they have 'believed the lie.'

There are myriad variations on the theme of 3D reality being 'not real' and just an illusion. Personally, I think it's a rather convenient excuse...sort of like waiting for Jesus to come back, so we can get to Heaven and avoid anything unpleasant.

Having said all that, I don't follow DW closely any more, but from what I do know of him, I suspect he probably has modified his view of ACIM from the mainstream, as he often does. In other words, could it be that he is exploring the useful elements of it, while discarding those elements that don't resonate? (As opposed to accepting it 100%.)

Even if he does accept it 100%, you might ask yourself why that bothers you so much. You are a unique and beautiful creation, one with DW yet different. Why is it important to you that your spiritual views be 100% in sync with his? Why not just be grateful for all that you have learned from him, while respecting and honoring that he might have some views that are different from yours?

This happened to me, the first time I had a spiritual mentor. For awhile, I thought I had to accept everything she told me. But after awhile, I realized that some of her beliefs just didn't resonate with me. This startled me at first. I was uncomfortable. But it was an important process for me to mature on my own and learn to discern for myself, instead of just accepting everything she told me.

I remember something in the Law of One about how gurus will often have something about them that makes us realize they aren't perfect, and this is intentional, to keep us from putting them on a pedestal or think that we can't do what they do. The 'guru' isn't any more spiritually 'advanced' than we are. We all learn and teach one another. There might even be some glaring inconsistency or even what might be considered falsity, to wake us up from following so that we can learn to take the lead in our own lives and seek our own truth.

The fact that DW is into something you don't resonate with doesn't mean you can't still get value out of that which you do resonate with.

HUGS to you as you integrate this rude awakening. May you find your own truth, and comfort as you seek to make sense of this.

[ayadew]

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings Kristy:

I tried the ACIM and found that I felt like something was punching me in my solar plexus. When I looked into this further--- I followed the feeling back to its "root" thought (this took a year) I found that I had real issues with Patriarchy and the Christian Right. ACIM is a text that is assisting others in shifting that speak the ACIM lingo already (ie patriarchal, Christians of the Evangelical Movement).

Upon further review I traced the root of my intense dislike of the Christian Right Wing to a past life in which well I met my demise during the inquisition... Now that I knew where it all began I was able to Forgive mySelf and Others and Let Go to Move Forward.

When I worked as a Metaphysical Practitioner I attracted a lot of ACIM clients... So I bought the cliff notes for ACIM so I could at least communicate with them in their lingo.

What I learned was by understanding the root of the cause of my emotional and physical and spiritual discomfort I was able to just acknowledge it and move forward. I understand that this is not easy for it took me a whole year!

What resonates with you: Keep and fill your HEART with it! Chuck the whole lot of the rest. Blind obedience to a Guru only profits the Guru..

As Ali Quadir pointed out, this may be a dark night of your soul.

During the dark night of the soul the only way out is UP! So to go UP! One must let go of all that tethers you--- in this case the ACIM scenarios that you have spoken about. There are many many ways in which to let go to go forward.

My favorite way is "prayer" (I use this term loosely as I am not Christian) and journaling and then burning the parts of the journal I wish to let go of... This symbolizes release and surrender. I pray and intend as it goes up in smoke. Other people go out into the wilderness and tie the journal to a tree. This is called a give-a-way. You give-a-way that which you no longer need to feel or have or do to spirit to transmute. This then creates space in which to create anew.

I embrace you with a centering and loving etheric hug. Breathe it in.

fairyfarmgirl

[Lorna]

hi kristy, wow at the responses so far - such wisdom on this forum

i wondered, reading your post, whether you have feelings of anger towards acim because of how it appears to have influenced your friend's behaviour - leaving his wife in tragic circumstances, physically moving away to pursue something that doesn't make sense to you. although you didn't say so, the way you phrased your post it seemed like there was resentment and anger towards acim because of the changes you've seen in your friend.

perhaps, if that is the case, i wonder whether this anger / annoyance at how your friend has changed is now coming out as your emotional response to acim on david's site?

anyway, as the earlier replies have said, you've already found a truth that resonates for you, rejoyce in that, it is a very precious thing, no one can take that away from you

hugs

[Peregrinus]

Dearest Kristy.

I will not, as others have not, got into the ACIM because it simply does not resonate with me, as many things do not.

I know you have spoken of your history with religion, and how you feel you have broken free of that, but it appears to me you have not. What I see here, and you may correct me if I am wrong, is that you say you have faith, but you place this faith in the hands of another... you have simply transferred your faith from one institute to another. Can you not trust in yourself to be your own guide? I like DW too, but there are parts of his understandings/teachings that do not resonate with me, so I simply choose to ignore them.

I trust in myself to choose, for no one can guide me but me. Trust in yourself sister. Make your own decisions. Ignore the rest. Feel what is right in your heart, for your heart will never steer you wrong. You ARE as powerful as God, for you are part of God. You just need to believe it.

[Monica]

i wondered, reading your post, whether you have feelings of anger towards acim because of how it appears to have influenced your friend's behaviour - leaving his wife in tragic circumstances, physically moving away to pursue something that doesn't make sense to you. although you didn't say so, the way you phrased your post it seemed like there was resentment and anger towards acim because of the changes you've seen in your friend.

perhaps, if that is the case, i wonder whether this anger / annoyance at how your friend has changed is now coming out as your emotional response to acim on david's site?

That's very perceptive. I was thinking something like that but hadn't quite formulated it. I didn't want to say anything judgemental about the friend, but yeah, I noticed it too...I thought I noticed an undercurrent of resentment...but maybe that was just me, my own indignation at the thought of abandoning a wife who'd just lost a child, and the incredulity I feel when people somehow think that running away from those you love to pursue a 'spiritual' path could somehow be spiritual...?? But I refrained from mentioning it, since I don't know all the details of the situation so really can't judge.

But now that you bring it up, I think that's a very astute observation...there could be some displacement going on. Maybe the aversion to ACIM is more than just intellectual or ideological...maybe it's personal.

In which case, the first step would be to take some time and pray/meditate regarding the friend who left his wife...and get to a place of love and forgiveness towards him.

[kristy1111]

'ayadew' said:
It is real, but it's not all there is.

*** That makes sense! I'm assuming that by this you mean that there's a whole lot more to us than we realize, and even that can be the "illusion" - because we only see part of the big picture. Yes? No?
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I see you have surrendered a great deal of personal power to this ACIM which you find negative. You may have surrendered the same to Wilcock, depending on him to grant you spiritual growth/happiness. It must not have to be this way. You need not depend on anyone external for your own happiness.

*** Wow! What a wake up call! I thank you for spelling that out for me. You are SO right! How could I have let something or someone rob me of my peace? I will explain how this happened in a "lone" post below.
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We live now. We are human. If a 4th density, or anything great awaits us later, then good!

*** Yes, I have definitely noticed that the only place that fear exists for me is when I'm thinking about the past or the future, and yet we have neither in this density!
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What if there is no goal, what if there is only now? Then goals become of no meaning, only a state of being becomes meaningful.

*** Amen! Thank you! Thank you for all of your wisdom and counsel! xo[/color]
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'Aaron' said:
I think that all spiritual writings, from big ones like the Tao Te Ching or the Bible to small ones like ACIM or any number of new age books, are all different ways of expressing the same Truth.

*** Yes! This makes perfect sense! We all see things in our own unique way, and we all interpret and perceive differently, and then we all express it differently. I often tell people that you could put Brad Pitt in a room with 100 different women. Some would say he's "totally hot", some would say he is hideously ugly, some would say they prefer brunettes, etc. But when you get right down to it, he's still Brad Pitt.
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One of the main reasons why humanity doesn't follow one single religion is because of the way we all interpret things differently.
*** ahhh, yes...what I just said above. Thank you for helping me to remember this!
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No matter what book or religion we're talking about, it made entire sense to the person who started or wrote it. It came from them so it was 100% compatible with them. Others may be able to have a little or a very large amount of realization from that teaching, but whatever amount they have, it will be what they need at that time to spiritually grow.

*** This really makes me think more deeply about the reasons that most religions claim to have the "whole truth". They each have their own life experiences, and they interpret them their own way, and conditioning has a lot to do with it as well (and not from just this incarnation!). Thus far, every religion I've examined claims the truth, and they have proof and convincing evidence for the most part to show that they are right. But in essence, they are ALL right and things are just perfect for them in their leg of the journey.
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This is a place where we can use the term "resonate". I think we can say that the teaching of ACIM doesn't resonate with you.
*** Soooo true...it sure doesn't.
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If you try too hard to understand the nature of the illusion, you'll get a headache, believe me!

*** What is your definition of "the illusion"?
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Big thanks to you for all your help!

[ayadew]

Hey kristy1111. Thank you for being you. Yes, you are correct in your first question!

[kristy1111]

To Lavazza:
Thank you Lavazza, for your great response. And...OMG!! Did you gather all that information in the 'bread crumb' thing? I feel like a kid on Christmas morning! As if I don't spend enough time on the computer! I can't wait to look through it! Thanks for sending it!

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*fights the crowd to offer his shoulder*

*** Shoulder accepted....thank you...
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In my humble opinion you're looking at the dark night of the soul. A period in human development where they make the transition from a universe where they are guests to a universe where they are the essential component.
*** So, although rough at times, it's actually a good thing? Can you tell me more about this 'dark night of the soul'?
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Basically, in the first the universe is solid.
*** In the "first"...do you mean density, or 'at first'?
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The first thing you begin to realize is that the solidity of the universe is illusory. If you change your perspective it actually changes shape.
*** Reminds me of that particle experiment where they did the "double slit" thing (if I am remembering the name right). The outcome changed if the event was being observed. And also, if we look at all of us, even every "thing" (like my kitchen table) under a powerful enough microscope, we see that EVERYthing is made of particles (as far as we can see, that is).
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Our immediate interpretation is that it isn't real, it's just a figment of your imagination. It's however more accurate (in the tradition of clever word tricks) to call it the *I* *Magi* *Nation*

***Can you elaborate on this? It sometimes is hard for me to process stuff. :-/
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However, illusion and real are not opposites. An optical illusion for example really exists, it generates real experience and can really be understood and manipulated.
*** So true! Even a haunted house could be labeled an "illusion". It looks like there's ghosts and goblins, but it's really people in costumes. It's not really a haunted house, but it's no less the real. Or somebody jumping up behind you and making you scream. Your first reaction is you're being threatened. But that's an illusion. It's just your bratty little brother being....bratty.
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But the soul can express itself in infinite forms.
*** By "soul", do you mean the infinite one creator, or all of it's little parts (us without our bodies)? Does our soul express itself not in infinite forms, but also do this for infinity? Wait, that is kind of a silly question. If the forms are infinite...well...you know...
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While every form has just one soul it could convert to... Do you understand when I say "becoming more real"? And somewhere along the way is that dark abbyss we have to leap across while not being able to see the other side.

***No, it takes me a bit to comprehend things. I tried hard to do well in school but struggled. Still seems to be that way at times. Can you explain more? Oh, and the dark abyss.....the dark night of the soul? Why is it an abyss anyway?
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If you want to find a sweet spot in the experience where it is joyous to you, I think you're going to have to accept that it's you that makes things real... Why is a job important? Because we make it so. Why is a love affair real? Because we choose to follow it's experience, it's illusory because we could choose an infinite amount of paths to experience. Yet we choose this one.. It's going to be harder and harder to find meaning without making choices.
*** Wowowowoowow....I'm getting some good dose of enlightenment today! :idea: This made me think of a lady that literally falls apart emotionally if she breaks her acrylic nail. It's like her life is ruined until she gets it fixed. Others like me (who have short stubby nails) think, "Oh brother....that's so lame." But having long, perfect nails is important to that lady because she has made it so. What an eye opener...
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Beyond any illusion lies a cause, if you are attracted to an illusion you're actually attracted to the underlying cause.
So it's okay to be attracted. You might figure out it was all an illusion at some point, but that's usually when you start to grasp the bigger picture. The bigger picture might help you in deciding that some illusions are clearly related and work on them in unison. Fix a little thing here and you might have a result there or more likely everywhere.
*** Can you say this more simply? "I is sloooow sometimes"...
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Its the true honest to God you that experiences life exactly as you do now. It is however unhindered by your fears and limitations. It can be approximated by total emptiness but it is also an explosion of all events at the same time. As such it is you, no less, unexternalizable and completely intimately one with you. It's the infinite perspective on you, to it all things are illusory, and it creates from the illusions the total experience that we call life.
*** So, in a sense, would that mean that our higher self is kind of like putting on lots of different costumes to play many different roles and learning from all the roles?
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Which life is your call. You get to guide it by expressing in your actions the world you wish to live in. It's a process with ups and downs. But on the whole has great benefits.
*** Like writing a screenplay...?
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I am going to reply to everybody else....but I have to finish supper for the family. But thanks again for everything! I feel so pampered here and I am learning so much. This is THE best forum I've ever participated on! I feel wonderful here!!! xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Love, Kristy

[kristy1111]

There are myriad variations on the theme of 3D reality being 'not real' and just an illusion. Personally, I think it's a rather convenient excuse...sort of like waiting for Jesus to come back, so we can get to Heaven and avoid anything unpleasant.

*** Wow, I can definitely see how this would be possible! And maybe even it's a way that people can try to escape responsibility for their thoughts or actions. After all, if it's "just a dream" then what the heck, right?
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Having said all that, I don't follow DW closely any more, but from what I do know of him, I suspect he probably has modified his view of ACIM from the mainstream, as he often does. In other words, could it be that he is exploring the useful elements of it, while discarding those elements that don't resonate? (As opposed to accepting it 100%.)

*** This is probably a more accurate possibility!
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Even if he does accept it 100%, you might ask yourself why that bothers you so much. You are a unique and beautiful creation, one with DW yet different. Why is it important to you that your spiritual views be 100% in sync with his? Why not just be grateful for all that you have learned from him, while respecting and honoring that he might have some views that are different from yours?
*** You're absolutely right. I think partly what happened was that I was just starting to trust somebody again, or trust a line of thinking to get even deeper, and to have something suddenly on the same page that I didn't agree with, well...my initial reaction was a punch in the gut. I feel a lot better now, though. I logically know that his opinions aren't perfect. Maybe I felt that the sudden introduction of the other material onto his site was polluting it.
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... it was an important process for me to mature on my own and learn to discern for myself, instead of just accepting everything she told me.

*** and now it's my turn to go through that process and I am really liking it (although it's a bit scary because I have to discard a LOT of conditioning!
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I remember something in the Law of One about how gurus will often have something about them that makes us realize they aren't perfect, and this is intentional, to keep us from putting them on a pedestal or think that we can't do what they do.

*** What a perfect plan!
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The fact that DW is into something you don't resonate with doesn't mean you can't still get value out of that which you do resonate with.

HUGS to you as you integrate this rude awakening. May you find your own truth, and comfort as you seek to make sense of this.
*** THANK you, Monica! You are a wonderful darling girl!

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I tried the ACIM and found that I felt like something was punching me in my solar plexus.
*** That's how I felt, too. Maybe I should dig a little deeper myself!
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What resonates with you: Keep and fill your HEART with it! Chuck the whole lot of the rest. Blind obedience to a Guru only profits the Guru..

*** INDEED!
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I embrace you with a centering and loving etheric hug. Breathe it in.

**** aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.... <----- me breathing it in. Thank you!

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hi kristy, wow at the responses so far - such wisdom on this forum
*** WOW...I second that! I am just stunned at the wisdom, the LOVE, and the guidance I am receiving here! I am a kid in a candy store! I can't get enough! It's like the water my soul has been dying of thirst for all this time and I finally found the oasis!
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i wondered, reading your post, whether you have feelings of anger towards acim because of how it appears to have influenced your friend's behaviour - leaving his wife in tragic circumstances, physically moving away to pursue something that doesn't make sense to you.

**** Actually, no....this isn't what bothered me about it. Apparently, my friend has had marriage problems for quite some time. But he stayed with his wife and they planned on divorcing at a certain date. While waiting for that date to arrive, they were still intimate and she became pregnant. I was rather surprised, though, that he left her so quickly after the death of their child. He told me that he felt "called" to do so.

However, ACIM bothered me right from the get go. In fact, I openly mocked it at first. And then me and my friend had looooong, deep, and frustrating (on my end) discussions about it. I just could never fully accept it. There are certain things in the teachings that are lovely, but the core concepts...I can't grasp them, accept them, or even like them at this point in time. Probably part of my problem, too, is maybe I wondered stuff like "what if it's all true? I'm totally messed up, then!"
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hugs

*** hugs to you, too! Thank you for taking the time to respond to me!

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I know you have spoken of your history with religion, and how you feel you have broken free of that, but it appears to me you have not. What I see here, and you may correct me if I am wrong, is that you say you have faith, but you place this faith in the hands of another... you have simply transferred your faith from one institute to another.

*** Your perceptions are 100% correct, my friend! You see, I grew up in a very abusive environment and I was told what to do constantly (and was also told that I wasn't doing it RIGHT). I wasn't raised in a religious atmosphere, but I grew up in a religious state (Utah). I'm sure you can guess the primary religion there. I was approached by church members off and on while growing up, and attended church now and then. But when I became an adult, I became a very staunch and active member of my church.

In the Mormon religion, even the tiny children are taught a song that says, "Follow the prophet...HE knows the way." We were taught that "if the prophet says it, the thinking has been done." We were taught what to wear, what books to read, what food to eat, what kind of underwear to wear, what music to listen to, the list goes on. Any deviation from that brought some pretty sad consequences.

I was taught in that religion that they had THE absolute, FULL truth and nobody else did. It was our job to save the world by teaching them the true gospel. I spent many years being conditioned that I MUST have a concrete truth, and there were boundaries to it. If it wasn't 'the' truth, then it was falsehood, or at best, half-truth. I was taught to rely upon my leaders...HEAVILY. This has, unfortunately, led me down a road of continuing to look for truth - but apparently it looks as if I've been searching to have a guru be a part of the equation!

I can't tell all of you enough how GRATEFUL I am that you have helped me see this so clearly today! My depression has been lifted totally, and I've been happy the rest of the day thus far! It is so wonderful to have such loving folks teach me things, not mincing words - giving it to me straight, but doing it in such a loving and guiding way. I am just in AWE of all of you! I am sending you huuuuuuuge waves of love and gratitude for helping me!!!!!
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Can you not trust in yourself to be your own guide?
*** That is something I intend on learning, starting right now! This whole experience has helped me to think alot better of myself and realize that I am not any lower than any of the people that I admire. We are all in this together!
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I trust in myself to choose, for no one can guide me but me. Trust in yourself sister. Make your own decisions. Ignore the rest. Feel what is right in your heart, for your heart will never steer you wrong. You ARE as powerful as God, for you are part of God. You just need to believe it.

*** How EMPOWERING!!! I feel like a new woman!!! :exclamation::exclamation::exclamation::

[Aaron]

If you try too hard to understand the nature of the illusion, you'll get a headache, believe me!

*** What is your definition of "the illusion"?

The way I used the term "illusion" there meant "The way things come together for each and every person's experience."

I can't tell all of you enough how GRATEFUL I am...

We're grateful that you're here to share with us! I think I can say it warms our collective heart to see each individual walk along the path.

[kylissa]

ACIM is not something that I've come across but from what Fairyfarmgrl wrote it is written with a specific audience in mind, to help undo an ingrained belief system. If you are not of that system it probably won't resonate. Take what resonates, leave what doesn't, like Q'uo tells us repeatedly. I've found that even the most 'evil' literature has opened pathways in my mind into love and light. People can come to similar conclusions even approaching a topic from completely opposite directions. You should focus on your own path, take the lessons that deeply resonate, and carefully sow the seeds of your findings in conversations with others (Q'uo has a session on how to do this). On the topic of the illusion, I like to keep in mind that everything I see is literally made of light with the photon as its base. For example, Ra states that a crystal is "frozen light". It is all a holographic illusion of light, a game for our higher selves to play to increase their power thus their ability to be creators.

"Understanding is not of this density", so no one has the right path or the right answers, even DW or your friend or any of us. In my opinion, the silence inside is the most real thing that any of us will know, touching the spark of the infinite.

[kristy1111]

Ra states that a crystal is "frozen light".
*** Amazing!
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In my opinion, the silence inside is the most real thing that any of us will know, touching the spark of the infinite.

What an inspiring comment! Thank you!

[Questioner]

I tried so hard to "get it" (ACIM) but just couldn't.

Kristy, I couldn't either.

One of the things I love the most about the L/L Research channeling is the "disclaimer" that runs something like this in many sessions: "Thank you for inviting us to share our spiritual perspective about these topics you asked about today. As we speak freely, please take what is helpful to you and set aside the rest, Know that if you don't get anything helpful from our words today, there will be another opportunity for the Creator to inspire you with other words. We want to be sure to not interfere at all with your own free will or your own evolution. Thank you for remembering to use only what you feel serves you."

My own goals with the long discussions of the L/L Research material are to help myself understand it by explaining it, and to invite you to explore whether or not it resonates with you. That's different, I feel, than how most ACIM enthusiasts present their Course.

I haven't seen any type of disclaimer like this in ACIM. And the people I've met who are really, really into the ACIM material are also really, really pushy that they know best what you (and everyone) "should" think, feel, do, and understand, based on what they think ACIM says. If you just don't get it, then obviously they need to try harder to explain again and push you to agree, rather than respecting that maybe it's not the right next step on your spiritual path right now.

What a difference with Ra's indifference to Don's questions about whether to aggressively publicize and market the Ra sessions. I think Ra wouldn't object to how L/L Research has marketed the material, Ra just didn't care about attempts to reach people who were fundamentally not interested in the material or didn't resonate with it.

There are warnings, especially in the Ra material, about those who would use a few sprinkles of positivity and hope as a kind of salt for otherwise tasteless, indigestible, toxic negative messages. My own personal feeling is that this warning applies to much of ACIM, which can create confusion and breakdown of rational thought at least as much as it provides positive spiritual perspective.

This is just my personal point of view. I'm not here today to tear down ACIM but to build up Kristy so I won't go further into my issues with ACIM right now.

Later this year, when I discuss my own experience leaving behind cult thinking, I imagine that some of that might resonate with you. I can certainly appreciate the depth of challenge, confusion and guilt that can come up when one's been indoctrinated that eternal life or hell is in the hands of someone else we have to trust even if every fiber of our being shouts, "That's not for me!"

On David Wilcock's site, divinecosmos.com, I see that his musical collaborator Larry Seyer has a section where Larry gives Larry's perspective on ACIM. I see this as pretty clearly separate from David's own work, which is based on the Law of One, plus David's dreams and David's research into science and conspiracies, but not on ACIM.

David clearly loves and respects Larry's essential contribution to David's musical projects. With this respect, David lets Larry share Larry's own opinions on Larry's part of David's site. Well, it's nice that Larry has obviously found his own sense of spiritual home and contentment with ACIM, but that says nothing at all about David.

More importantly, all of this says nothing at all about Kristy!