Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, Rasputin

[indiGo33]

11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history who is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type of planet or any who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

11.9 Questioner: Are any of these people known in the history of our planet by name?

Ra: I am Ra. We will mention a few. The one known as Taras Bulba, the one known as Genghis Khan, the one known as Rasputin.

I apologize if this inquiry has been addressed before, but I am little confused as to why Ra has mentions a historically fictional figure (Taras Bulba) as a negative entity. I know that Taras is a character based of the works of Nikolai Gogol and I remember his name heavily referenced on the Russian media as a child.
Maybe Ra meant that the nature of the book itself calibrated on a negative level, or maybe the the character was actually based of a real historical figure whom Gogol adopted into his work?

anyway just a thought I wanted to share.

[BrownEye]

The work is non-fictional in nature, in that the main character іs based on several historical personalities, and other characters are not аs exaggerated or grotesque as was common in Gogol's later fiction.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba

[Cyan]

There is one single obvious answer that everyone seems to overlook.

Fantasy charachters are as real as real charachters are.

Gives whole new meaning to watching sci-fi games about friendly aliens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R5f4r5uacU

[Unbound]

My thoughts are similar to yours, Cyan.

[Cyan]

Anyone ever played a game where they saved a galaxy / large group of sentient souls as a child.

Yeah, I think we're set Karma wise quite well.

[Brittany]

Some of my characters are more real than the flesh-and-blood people I interact with. They have free will to the point that they often start behaving in ways contrary to the personalities I designed for them. The fact that a personality is fiction has little do do with its level of "realness". Are we not all characters in the Creator's book?

[Cyan]

Some of my characters are more real than the flesh-and-blood people I interact with. They have free will to the point that they often start behaving in ways contrary to the personalities I designed for them. The fact that a personality is fiction has little do do with its level of "realness". Are we not all characters in the Creator's book?

I know this effect, its interesting when your chakras start to wander.

I will post something about B5 later today since the video wasnt available on youtube.

[anagogy]

I apologize if this inquiry has been addressed before, but I am little confused as to why Ra has mentions a historically fictional figure (Taras Bulba) as a negative entity. I know that Taras is a character based of the works of Nikolai Gogol and I remember his name heavily referenced on the Russian media as a child.
Maybe Ra meant that the nature of the book itself calibrated on a negative level, or maybe the the character was actually based of a real historical figure whom Gogol adopted into his work?

anyway just a thought I wanted to share.

Taras Bulba was fictional in the same sense that Jesus Christ (Jehoshuah/Yesua) was fictional. There were real historical personalities associated with these names. They weren't exactly like their fictionalized counterparts.

This is what Ra was referring to, in my opinion.

[Cyan]

I apologize if this inquiry has been addressed before, but I am little confused as to why Ra has mentions a historically fictional figure (Taras Bulba) as a negative entity. I know that Taras is a character based of the works of Nikolai Gogol and I remember his name heavily referenced on the Russian media as a child.
Maybe Ra meant that the nature of the book itself calibrated on a negative level, or maybe the the character was actually based of a real historical figure whom Gogol adopted into his work?

anyway just a thought I wanted to share.

Taras Bulba was fictional in the same sense that Jesus Christ (Jehoshuah/Yesua) was fictional. There were real historical personalities associated with these names. They weren't exactly like their fictionalized counterparts.

This is what Ra was referring to, in my opinion.

And these people are a made of what (archtypes) which are... which are... which are.... "it" returns to "even thoughts are photons spinning, and one photon spinning in one bubble is its own universe.

I think.

Dunno. But I think that Ra is saying that anything besides yourself is always fictional but due to its nature can be made real or unreal depending on your wish directed at it.

[Unbound]

"Realness" comes when circles are crossed, when realities come together, when you reach out your reality to touch another, the many as two, the two as one, the one as none.

[Brittany]

It's really hard for me to finish a story for this reason. The characters start just doing whatever they heck they want, deviating from the plot line, and the main character might just decide they want to sleep for a thousand years or kill themselves. There are many stories I've let go simply to preserve the happiness of my characters. I chose to grant them true free will to continue creating their universe as they desire.

[Phoenix]

It is an interesting question. It has made me seriously question the whole concept of negative densities etc. Since we can perceive so little.

I looked up Taras Bulba. The character is a warmonger but not especially negative in my understanding.

Perhaps something about the character is unique. Taras fights and fights and never surrenders. Although positive adepts do surrender, to life. The end is similar to the opposite of Jesus on the cross.

Two of the three names had Ra in them.

Maybe it is saying something profound about historical figures. Which we know about as much about as anything.

[Matt1]

Taras Bubla is a debatable one. I would rather look at Genghis Khan or Rasputin since both of them are historical and well documented. In particular Rasputin is the only conscious adept mentioned making him perhaps the most interesting study.

[Steppingfeet]

Taras Bulba was fictional in the same sense that Jesus Christ (Jehoshuah/Yesua) was fictional. There were real historical personalities associated with these names. They weren't exactly like their fictionalized counterparts.

This is what Ra was referring to, in my opinion.

I know this is an old post of yours anagogy but the thread got bumped and I'm curious. What is the basis for your statement that there was indeed an actual person who was later portrayed in fiction as "Taras Bulba"? (Whether or not that was the individual's actual name.)

[Adonai One]

"The character of Taras Bulba is a composite of several historical personalities. It is mainly based on the legend of cossack captain Sava Chaly (executed in 1741 after serving as a colonel in the private army of a Polish noble), whose killing was ordered by his own father for betraying the Ukrainian cause."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulb..._character

[AnthroHeart]

When I think of Taurus Bulba, I think of Darkwing Duck.

[anagogy]

I know this is an old post of yours anagogy but the thread got bumped and I'm curious. What is the basis for your statement that there was indeed an actual person who was later portrayed in fiction as "Taras Bulba"? (Whether or not that was the individual's actual name.)

Only strong personal inspiration to say that. I have no hard proof for anyone. But I feel strongly that was the case.

The social memory complex of Ra searched through its massive database of historical personalities and matched the vibratory configuration with the most applicable name our culture has for him and Taras Bulba was the match.

But even Adonai's wikipedia quote states he was based on real historical personalities. If only we knew which specific personality Ra associated with that name.

[Steppingfeet]

Thanks A1 and anagony,

I just ran a quick search on this Captain Sava Chaly. (The wikipedia article that A1 referenced states that Taras Bulba was based on this historical person.)

A Ukranian Encyclopedia came up in the search returns but the page wouldn't open. Found the following regarding a tragedy play about Sava Chaly:

"Meanwhile, the tragedy Sava Chaly, which marks the peak of his creativity, remains little known, even though as soon as it was staged by the “Society of Little Russian Actors led by P. K. Saksahansky and M. K. Sadovsky” (Kyiv, Jan. 21, 1900), Sava Chaly won public and critical acclaim.

This tragedy topped the repertoires of many Ukrainian drama troupes. Ivan Franko, the brilliant and demanding author and critic, who never paid empty compliments, wrote that Sava Chaly deserved being placed “at the summit of our literature.” This is how Franko understood the plot: 'Sava Chaly is a tragedy set in the 18th century, rooted in the periods of decay and vacillation of Ukrainian national feeling; it is the tragedy of a turncoat who decides to serve the enemy for his own benefit and, as a result of the natural reaction from the healthy remnants of national life, dies precisely when his treacherous plans are close to being implemented.'"

[Matt1]

If you are interested i have found an online version of the original book.

Link to Taras Bulba novel

[GentleWanderer]

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[ingara]

The work is non-fictional in nature, in that the main character іs based on several historical personalities, and other characters are not аs exaggerated or grotesque as was common in Gogol's later fiction.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba

[ingara]

in the channeling it says the one known as 'Taras Bulba'. This book was written based on the history of Okhrim Makukha, a Cossack ataman, but if this name was used no one would know who was being talked about.