home of wanderers

[Oceania]

can we get back home? what is home? is our home earth now? or where we came from? or if we don't graduate is it some other planet? what is home in a universe besides the central sun?

what are everyone's opinions on this?

[godwide_void]

Home in the localized physical sense is whatever planet your consciousness has chosen to incarnate in. Home in the metaphysical sense would be the dimensional plane your individuated consciousness exists in within the density it has evolved to in the environment of the corresponding vibrational frequency your consciousness is most comfortable with. Home in the all-encompassing sense is a 'place' you have never left and can never cease to be a part of, the home being within the being of the One Infinite Creator.

[Oceania]

i meant more like, do we get to choose where to reside? if we graduate 4D do the wanderers go home?

[godwide_void]

It is entirely your choice and the choice made will reflect what your core being has determined is best for it following this 3D experience. To worn and weary souls who do not find themselves up to the continuation of experience alongside the motley crew of Earth-bound beings, are of higher densities and 'homesick' then the desire for return to their native density and planetary sphere will be as so. To those who decide that tagging along with what future adventures lie further down the line for this planet post-ascension then it is entirely possible to choose to undergo 4D experience here. The short answer to your questions are yes and yes.

[Oceania]

i see, if you choose to stay on earth and later want to go home can't you?

[anagogy]

i meant more like, do we get to choose where to reside? if we graduate 4D do the wanderers go home?

Yes, provided they do not get caught up in the planetary vibration by severely lowering their consciousness, wanderers go back to their native density and native sector of space/time and/or time/space.

And it is only "home" because you want to be there so, naturally, it would be a space that vibrates in particular harmony with your own particular beingness -- your own personal heaven as it were.

But then, your idea of "heaven" while looking through the socio-cultural lens of your body may not be the same as your idea of heaven after being free of it.

But be rest assured, it will be quite enjoyable to you.

[Siren]

if you choose to stay on earth and later want to go home can't you?

You could go "home" right now if you so desperately wanted it. But did you come here to go back "home" or did you come here to be here right now? Now, that is the question.

You have a very strong reason/desire for being here, otherwise, you would't be. The so-called "veil" may cloud you from these motives right now, but in 4D all will be much clearer.

I intuit that many of those who expect to go back "home" at the end of this cycle will end up staying to join this planet's 4th density, at least during its early phases.

Be comforted, all is well.

And know that there are no mistakes, only surprises.

[AnthroHeart]

Great thread. This seems to go against that one quote that says we are now Earth natives and cannot return to home density right away. I know that I feel weary, and am not sure if I'd want to continue on to see what 4D is like instead of higher density. But maybe I will. Who knows?

I love the idea of our own personal heaven. That sounds very nice to me.

I think right now I'm mainly a passive radiator of light and love. Though I'm working on love. I did much work in the past to get to the amount of energy I can work with now. So it all is pretty automatic for me now. I just chill and let it do its thing.

[Zachary]

Creation is Home,


Just tune in..........


Yup, still home.

[Unbound]

Home is where the heart is and the heart is the Creator.

[Avocado]

In time, the present moment is home. You're in the center of the observable universe. In space, the center of the universe is home.

[Ankh]

Great thread. This seems to go against that one quote that says we are now Earth natives and cannot return to home density right away.

Is it the below quote that you've meant in your above comment?

The reason that this applies to the graduation context is that in that question that was brought by the one known as J the entities involved felt that, as wanderers from the fifth density, upon graduating from Earth’s third density they would automatically move back into their home vibration. This is emphatically not true, and we felt that this is a very germane point, for all wanderers become Earth natives when they incarnate. The taking of a physical body is the taking of the blood, and bone, and the sinew of the entire human experience. There is no such thing as a tourist in the body on planet Earth. All of you have become natives, whatever your planet or origin or your densities of previous experience.

I like how you ended your own sentence above with "right away", because Q'uo said in the above session that we will not go back to home vibration *automatically*, which to me means "right away". Maybe it will take a little while, who knows, but I am sure that the time it takes is probably just another blink of a third density eye compared to the time or no time in higher densities, or our home vibration.

I know that I feel weary, and am not sure if I'd want to continue on to see what 4D is like instead of higher density. But maybe I will. Who knows?

I feel weary too, and it would be nice to go home and rest a little bit. I don't mind serving and do stuff, and I love what Don used to say: "Well, we have to be somewhere doing something, so we can as well be here doing this" or something like that. I usually run it through my mind like a mantra when working long nightshifts and feeling really, really weary. But after this lifetime, it would be really nice to just go home and rest a little bit, before the next mission begins, you know? Are these self serving thoughts? Not sure, maybe. I guess I'll find out when the veil lifts, and will have to add them to my 49% STS. :p

Another thing that I thought of, is that I believe that I got an impression that 4D needs to be alone in the beginning, in order to learn all the new stuff. I am sure that they will have teachers on some occasions from 5D and maybe sometimes even 6D, but otherwise I think that they need to be for themselves for a while in the beginning. They need to create their own, first, social memory complex, and when doing that they don't need weary, weird Wanderers from higher densities in their group whining about how awesome 6D is instead of creating that new group. :p

I think right now I'm mainly a passive radiator of light and love. Though I'm working on love. I did much work in the past to get to the amount of energy I can work with now. So it all is pretty automatic for me now. I just chill and let it do its thing.

Sounds great, Wolf! Keep doing what you feel is right in your heart, and I am sure that we both find ourselves back to our home vibration just fine. =)

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Oceania, you are such a sweet being! God bless your soul all the time!

[AnthroHeart]

Yes Ankh, that was the quote. I brought it up in the other thread as well.
I think you're right about it being important to do 4D alone at first, so that we can
get the hang of it. Ra did say it takes millions of years to form the social memory complex,
didn't they?

Well, compared to 3D, 4D is restful I'm sure. Even if I'm weary here, it does not mean I will be so in the
higher density. So I'll do my best to live for the now, knowing that what comes is beyond my imagining.
All the frustration and uncertainty, and being "out of my mind" will have been worth it. All the meds I take,
my striving, will have been worth it.

Oceania is certainly sweet. I appreciate both of your heartwarming input. I'm such a sensitive soul.
That's why I think I'm of 6th, because of how sensitive I can be.

It will be wonderful the day we are reunited with Ra. A millennium of celebration.

I imagine though to raise one's vibration back to that high of density it takes time. It's not an immediate process,
since the spirit body couldn't handle such a rapid transfer of energy. It might be a few years by our perspective
to transfer from 3D to 6D in consciousness. I don't know.

I do feel I've offered some sacrifices in my life to Ra. Probably doesn't compare to the sacrifice of others, but to me, I've given everything I have, everything I am to Creator and to Ra.

I really hope I'm doing the right thing.

[Patrick]

Being able to share with you fine people is what eases my passage through these times.

[AnthroHeart]

Being able to share with you fine people is what eases my passage through these times.

Same to everyone here. When I've gone through my rough times, having the energetic stability of everyone here really pulled me through. Much and

[Bring4th_Austin]

The reason that this applies to the graduation context is that in that question that was brought by the one known as J the entities involved felt that, as wanderers from the fifth density, upon graduating from Earth’s third density they would automatically move back into their home vibration. This is emphatically not true, and we felt that this is a very germane point, for all wanderers become Earth natives when they incarnate. The taking of a physical body is the taking of the blood, and bone, and the sinew of the entire human experience. There is no such thing as a tourist in the body on planet Earth. All of you have become natives, whatever your planet or origin or your densities of previous experience.

I like how you ended your own sentence above with "right away", because Q'uo said in the above session that we will not go back to home vibration *automatically*, which to me means "right away". Maybe it will take a little while, who knows, but I am sure that the time it takes is probably just another blink of a third density eye compared to the time or no time in higher densities, or our home vibration.

I'm not too fond of debating semantics, but it seems the reason I interpret this passage differently from you is purely semantic.

You say that you think "automatically" means "right away," which, by definition, is not necessarily true. It's not synonymous with instantly and has a greater meaning. If something is automatic, it means it requires no external effort to function. It could related to "instantly" because we might think of something happening automatically, since it requires no external effort, as happening instantly.

However, in the context of the Q'uote, I see "automatically" having nothing to do with a reference of when it might happen, but rather how it would happen, since that is the true definition of automatically.

We would not automatically return to our home density because it requires external effort. There are other factors which are involved in returning to our home density and it does not happen without effort on our part. Were it to happen automatically, a Wanderer who switched polarities or perhaps became involved karmically within incarnation would return to their home density without consideration for what happened within their incarnation. That would be "automatically."

I don't see this particular Q'uote as saying that a Wanderer would have to wait and do more work after incarnation is done in order to return home. Q'uo describes the necessary "external" effort which must be put forth later in that session: "it is first necessary to rediscover that deep self within this incarnation which you now experience to the extent that you are able to recapitulate that choice and the decisions that lead to being able to tolerate the light that is offered to those whose thoughts are more than 51percent for other entities and how to serve them."

Were it not "necessary," as Q'uo puts it, it would be automatic. However, this action is necessary, so it is not automatic. What I see Q'uo saying here is that if this particular action is done, the "rediscovery of that deep self within this incarnation which you now experience," then the return home is left only up to the will of the self once the incarnation is over. Q'uo didn't highlight any other necessary action outside of that one within incarnation, so I do not presume that there is more needed to be done as long as this is complete.

[AnthroHeart]

What do you think about the quote from Ra and Q'uo that says it's as difficult to attain a grade 51% STO as it is 5%. I heard that the STS path is a difficult one. Does this mean that the STO path is equally hard?

Thanks Austin for the clarification of Automatically. That makes me feel much better, as I'm doing a bit of outer work while I'm here. It's something, a nice feeling, to know what I know and to be able to consciously polarize. When you're conscious of it, must be like 1000X more effective.

[Patrick]

I know one thing, 51% STO on this planet is not easy...

[AnthroHeart]

But 51% shouldn't be a struggle, should it? I think by doing what we do naturally, when we need to do it, is really all our higher self should expect. Rather than outward actions, it's been about how accepting can I be of others.

You're right though, it ain't easy. Right now I'm a little wore out. I've been worse though. I've been weary to the point of wanting to die (and actually was given the experience of dying, but nothing like the NDE's that others have, it was darker).

Maybe it will get easier as more people begin to polarize positive, and build up the collective. Then our energy won't be fighting so hard (if that's the right word).

[Ankh]

The reason that this applies to the graduation context is that in that question that was brought by the one known as J the entities involved felt that, as wanderers from the fifth density, upon graduating from Earth’s third density they would automatically move back into their home vibration. This is emphatically not true, and we felt that this is a very germane point, for all wanderers become Earth natives when they incarnate. The taking of a physical body is the taking of the blood, and bone, and the sinew of the entire human experience. There is no such thing as a tourist in the body on planet Earth. All of you have become natives, whatever your planet or origin or your densities of previous experience.

I like how you ended your own sentence above with "right away", because Q'uo said in the above session that we will not go back to home vibration *automatically*, which to me means "right away". Maybe it will take a little while, who knows, but I am sure that the time it takes is probably just another blink of a third density eye compared to the time or no time in higher densities, or our home vibration.

I'm not too fond of debating semantics, but it seems the reason I interpret this passage differently from you is purely semantic.

You say that you think "automatically" means "right away," which, by definition, is not necessarily true. It's not synonymous with instantly and has a greater meaning. If something is automatic, it means it requires no external effort to function. It could related to "instantly" because we might think of something happening automatically, since it requires no external effort, as happening instantly.

However, in the context of the Q'uote, I see "automatically" having nothing to do with a reference of when it might happen, but rather how it would happen, since that is the true definition of automatically.

We would not automatically return to our home density because it requires external effort. There are other factors which are involved in returning to our home density and it does not happen without effort on our part. Were it to happen automatically, a Wanderer who switched polarities or perhaps became involved karmically within incarnation would return to their home density without consideration for what happened within their incarnation. That would be "automatically."

I don't see this particular Q'uote as saying that a Wanderer would have to wait and do more work after incarnation is done in order to return home. Q'uo describes the necessary "external" effort which must be put forth later in that session: "it is first necessary to rediscover that deep self within this incarnation which you now experience to the extent that you are able to recapitulate that choice and the decisions that lead to being able to tolerate the light that is offered to those whose thoughts are more than 51percent for other entities and how to serve them."

Were it not "necessary," as Q'uo puts it, it would be automatic. However, this action is necessary, so it is not automatic. What I see Q'uo saying here is that if this particular action is done, the "rediscovery of that deep self within this incarnation which you now experience," then the return home is left only up to the will of the self once the incarnation is over. Q'uo didn't highlight any other necessary action outside of that one within incarnation, so I do not presume that there is more needed to be done as long as this is complete.

You are right, Austin. Thank you for the clarification and offering your thoughts.

I know one thing, 51% STO on this planet is not easy...

Amen.

[neutral333]

As one who has moved often and shifted locations around the world, I would agree with the old saying, "Home is where the heart is". If you are manifesting in 3D currently, that is your home. If you are experiencing multi-verses, your home is much bigger.

[Oceania]

my heart is in art

[AnthroHeart]

My fear of experiencing anything larger keeps me from experiencing multiverses.
I feared my own black hole shadow self.
I keep my own self back, afraid to take risk.

I know my home is higher density, but for now home is here in 3D on Earth.

[Ankh]

I want to tell a story about one Swedish Wanderer whose name was Dénis.

Dénis started to remember his past lives at a very young age. First he remembered his previous lives on Gaia, but then he started to remember his lives from other planets. Dénis was able to remember more than most of us would perhaps do in this regard.

He also remembered his home planet. How it looked, how they looked themselves, the names of many of his people, and also his own name when he was incarnated there, and the name of his native earth.

What he seemed to be describing, now that I have read about it in the Ra material, is fifth density.

He was also himself very rational, logical and intelligent person. Not the one who would be affected by any overly emotions. Although, Dénis could have graduated to sixth density as well, but just not remembering anything from that density, and he also could be balanced to the point of not having many emotions, his origin density should perhaps not be that much in focus, as he himself, while still being incarnated in this third density.

Dénis described himself being very harmonious and calm, and also very rooted in logics and science. He was always looking for alternative explanations for his experiences. The explanations that could be proved by science and physical reality. But when he pierced the veil and made the contact with *the* gateway and then merged with the Infinite One, he could no longer provide any rational scientific proof for his experiences anymore.

He also told a story once, about how in the middle of the night, his homephone rang. It was a call from the hospital, telling him that his very loved by him mom, unexpectedly died. His wife started to cry, but he said that he never cried himself. He felt sadness, sure, but he didn't cry - that is how he described himself.

So, one night, he kept testing his newly bought telescope by looking at the night sky and gazing at the stars and planets. And suddenly... he saw Her...

He saw his own native Earth, and there was like something that broke inside of him, and he started to cry... He was surprised at his own reaction, and he didn't think that he would react like that. But he did...

I am not like Dénis. I am too emotional sometimes, and I cry too much. :p

But my home... The feelings, the thoughts, and those waves that come up inside myself when I think about my home... It is like for Dénis in this regard, something just cracks inside of me and all that comes out are those tears...

Home for me is my family, and the vibration of my original density I guess. I don't know exactly what it is. But I can feel it inside of me many times, and I can't wait!

R.I.P. Dénis and hope that you are with Her now. Thank you for your services.

[astikain]

I've been thinking, what if the "last choice" - whether to go home to the place of love, or to continue serving others - is in fact the final test to determine if we are STO or STS oriented? That would kinda make sense 'cos otherwise measuring all these percentages might get a tad complicated.

Personally, I've got a glimpse of the "place of love" and, oh boy, it is a tempting place to be - a minord downside being that you can't scratch your nose, lacking a bodily existence. Many people with near-death experience also say that they were "drawn to the light" but felt that they have to come back to fulfill a mission.

I feel really "spiritually exhausted" and "homesick", understanding that I am an old soul who's been around for quite a while. Still, I'd probably go for the "next mission" in 4D (or even 3D if that's what it takes).

Hang in there brothers and sisters! We're almost there.

Love,

Tomi

[Ankh]

I've been thinking, what if the "last choice" - whether to go home to the place of love, or to continue serving others - is in fact the final test to determine if we are STO or STS oriented? That would kinda make sense 'cos otherwise measuring all these percentages might get a tad complicated.

I had this thought too. For someone who is extremely homesick, to stay in 3D and keep serving instead of going home, would be an ultimate sacrifice to make. I don't necessarily see it in STO/STS terms though, but in wisdom/compassion balancing lessons/questions/terms too.

For instance: is your individual vibration specifically asked for, and others can't make it without you? Are you specifically called for? Would it be like you are turning your back to a call if you go home instead of staying in 3D? Otherwise, if people would manage just perfectly fine without you, and your specific vibration and what you have to offer is not called for specifically, I don't see any problems with going home instead and chillaxing for a while, before jumping on another train of 75 000 crazy years.

I don't have any problems to serve, but I believe that the next time (if there will occur such thing), I will really assess the necessity of the service of incarnating in 3D.

Another thing is that, before I walk those "steps of light", after the death, I will ask if I will be able/allowed to come back here again, in my true form in case I graduate, and watch over my family, friends and others with whom I've made bonds during my time/incarnations here, and if I would be able to aid/serve them (*only* in time/space though). Maybe many of them will need some help in transitions to other planets, or in healing, or walking those "steps of light" themselves... Maybe many would be needing help while still incarnated in space/time. Stuff like that.

The service isn't over just because one's physical body has died I believe, and one has left the space/time. It keeps going and going, and is neverending, and I am sure that there is a lot of work to do in the afterlife as much as it is during this physical life. I will try to make sure that I can return and keep helping people, after/if graduating to my home density again, and if I will not be allowed to return, then I'll wait with walking those "steps of light" (it's not like I looking forward to them anyway! They scare the s*** out of me!), til I helped everyone I could in this third density spaces and times. =)

So maybe there are no final tests except those you place upon your path yourself? Maybe you, as the Creator, is your own final test? The test of the Creator by the Creator?

[AnthroHeart]

I've been thinking, what if the "last choice" - whether to go home to the place of love, or to continue serving others - is in fact the final test to determine if we are STO or STS oriented? That would kinda make sense 'cos otherwise measuring all these percentages might get a tad complicated.

Personally, I've got a glimpse of the "place of love" and, oh boy, it is a tempting place to be - a minord downside being that you can't scratch your nose, lacking a bodily existence. Many people with near-death experience also say that they were "drawn to the light" but felt that they have to come back to fulfill a mission.

I feel really "spiritually exhausted" and "homesick", understanding that I am an old soul who's been around for quite a while. Still, I'd probably go for the "next mission" in 4D (or even 3D if that's what it takes).

Hang in there brothers and sisters! We're almost there.

Love,

Tomi

What you say resonates well with me (although I don't think choosing to go home will make us STS oriented). I'm homesick as any. I've gone through some intense challenges, and feel like I've been here awhile. I'm hanging in there, but sometimes I wonder how much longer I can. It's not like everything around me is bad or anything like that. Just that I'm worn out. I sure hope the choice to return to home density at harvest isn't an STS choice. Sure, I want to help people, and be of aid, but I feel I can so from a higher density. I can be of service from whatever density I find myself in. I just hope it's not too terribly long in 3D.

Ankh, the steps of light scaring you I can relate to. It's like what if I don't make it, and have to spend another 75,000 years in 3D. I try not to let such thoughts bother me. It's pretty mundane here now. Doctors, work, etc, not much free time. And to think I used to think that I had a good life. Now, I'm tired, and really, really want to go home. I've cried about it. I keep saying that, because it's true more than any other thing I can feel. I sometimes feel as if I have no strength left to serve. I must have been a fool to come here.

At least my dreams are enjoyable, even if I don't remember much from them.

[Oceania]

Ankh thanks! for those of us who can't read his books. i assume this is the Dénis.

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I've been thinking, what if the "last choice" - whether to go home to the place of love, or to continue serving others - is in fact the final test to determine if we are STO or STS oriented? That would kinda make sense 'cos otherwise measuring all these percentages might get a tad complicated.

Personally, I've got a glimpse of the "place of love" and, oh boy, it is a tempting place to be - a minord downside being that you can't scratch your nose, lacking a bodily existence. Many people with near-death experience also say that they were "drawn to the light" but felt that they have to come back to fulfill a mission.

I feel really "spiritually exhausted" and "homesick", understanding that I am an old soul who's been around for quite a while. Still, I'd probably go for the "next mission" in 4D (or even 3D if that's what it takes).

Hang in there brothers and sisters! We're almost there.

Love,

Tomi

What you say resonates well with me (although I don't think choosing to go home will make us STS oriented). I'm homesick as any. I've gone through some intense challenges, and feel like I've been here awhile. I'm hanging in there, but sometimes I wonder how much longer I can. It's not like everything around me is bad or anything like that. Just that I'm worn out. I sure hope the choice to return to home density at harvest isn't an STS choice. Sure, I want to help people, and be of aid, but I feel I can so from a higher density. I can be of service from whatever density I find myself in. I just hope it's not too terribly long in 3D.

Ankh, the steps of light scaring you I can relate to. It's like what if I don't make it, and have to spend another 75,000 years in 3D. I try not to let such thoughts bother me. It's pretty mundane here now. Doctors, work, etc, not much free time. And to think I used to think that I had a good life. Now, I'm tired, and really, really want to go home. I've cried about it. I keep saying that, because it's true more than any other thing I can feel. I sometimes feel as if I have no strength left to serve. I must have been a fool to come here.

At least my dreams are enjoyable, even if I don't remember much from them.

it's not STS. the ones who didn't come because they didn't want to aren't STS, neither are we. of course we wanna go home! you choose that because you have to love yourself too. do what's best for you.

[AnthroHeart]

It's strange, but the homesickness and frustration with 3D outweigh my curiosity for what will happen Dec 21st if anything. I'm not so curious about that date anymore. I have an uneasy feeling being here. I know it's because of shifts in energies and that the negative is fighting till the very end. So I am sensitive and I pick up on that.

Obviously what's best for me is keeping me here, else I'd have left some time ago.

Thank you Oceania. Always looking out for me.

[Oceania]

*hugs*

i'm not curious either. i think when you get to a certain point you just wanna be done with your "thing" and have a rest