05-15-2012, 09:50 AM
(05-15-2012, 08:40 AM)Cyan Wrote:(05-14-2012, 11:55 PM)ShinAr Wrote: So I ask anyone interested in discussing under these terms,
“Why would one deliberately choose to experiment with negative energies, decreasing the frequency of their vibrations, and seek to gratify their physical self. If they understand that the physical self they are exploring is a delusion?”
and
"Why would one want to continue to experience the continuation of further reincarnation, when they have already been doing so for countless lifetimes, instead of trying to use any opportunity to free oneself from further reincarnations, to evolve into a higher state of being?"
These seem to be the questions that I would want to ask anyone in discussion about their choice to explore service to self.
1: Negative is subjective to the observers goals and history, therefore "why would one continue to experience negative" is entirely subjective, such as saying "why would you intentionally go out in rain" or "why do you put on those funny hats and look at the stars" What is negative is only perceived as such.
2: Generally speaking, thoughts and believes that encourage one to leave the physical body behind and ascend end in mass suicides and people with flamethrowers burning stuff down. But that being said, as one aspect of the one I may say that willful deliberate seeking of ascension when the physical body is still able to serve the community at large will result in a "less than optimal" beyond side experience. That is to say, one may wish to jump to a new reincarnation but looking at the state of the human spirit (world events etc.) it seems likely that judging by our records as human beings, we shouldnt be so determined to "jump somewhere better"
hi Cyan,
Nice to hear from you again.
When I use the negative I am speaking strictly in terms of vibration. I do not think of it in terms of right or wrong or good or evil. I am thinking of it the same way that I would consider cymatics. So what I speak of is not perception, but choice to vibrate at either a higher frequency or a lower one. It is a matter of transforming matter into various densities based upon the frequency of their vibrations.
I am not sure how to address your second remark without seeming judgmental or preachy. so I must tread carefully here. Please understand that I am simply expressing thoughts about what we speak on. I expect nothing from anyone except to allow me to speak what is in my thoughts.
I would suggest that you seem to be in the same frame of mind as Oldern with regard to the human form. In that you see it as a place to settle and remain. My perception of the human form being temporary does not condone suicide at all, or the lack of compassion and respect for the human form. I understand that there are some who think that way, and of course there are extremes and perversions of many ideals and philosophies.
My perception is simply that when we see that the human form is merely a vibration taking place within the One Collective of the All, which can either increase or decrease resulting in transformation, that it is beneficial for a field of consciousness to experience higher frequencies of vibration, and in achieving higher vibration we evolve into higher states of being which open new opportunities and experiences. So it is not a matter of abandoning our natural state, but instead it is a matter of our natural design being to reach higher frequencies so that we naturally evolve into higher states of being.
As I see it one can remain a seedling and never grow into a tree, or one can grow into the fullness of its true design. This is however just my thoughts on the evolution of creation.
(05-15-2012, 09:17 AM)plenum Wrote: I just wanted to say - Welcome Back!
I wrote this to a friend just a few days ago, but I think it applies equally to you:
"I really do learn a lot from you. Almost every interaction leaves me with some aspect of the self that I have to consider, and then accept. This happens indirectly; it is not what you say, or how you say it, but rather certain pointers to qualities or behaviour. I must admit, it is not always joyful or pleasant at the time, but it is a mirror for the Self that leads to greater Integration."
so, with a joyful heart, I look forward to reading more of your writings.
plenum
Plenum,
I appreciate what you are saying. I really do understand what you always mean when you speak of catalyst. And I thank you for your kind remark.
It would be unnatural if we were all on the same path and there was no opposition.