05-15-2012, 08:06 AM
(05-15-2012, 05:36 AM)Oldern Wrote: Very, very good read, Shin'Ar, and I would say that it reflects a being that really took a lot of time when thinking about all this - so in this regard, we share some similarities, I dare to say : )
I just have two comments from the main concept:
1) Yes, "human" being is an "illusion". Just as everything is. I find that the word can be interpreted as something demeaning, but in the end, the Creator (the Source, shall we say), that is NOT self aware goes into infinite self-aware sub-Creators so they can have experiences. The illusions might not be "real", but the experience of it IS real. On every single level. Because that is how infinity works. So it does not matter and it should not matter if being human is an illusion when the point being is that we are here as viewpoints of the Creator to have experiences.
2) Incredibly good point by you to point out the need to distance ourselves from what we have "achieved" or what we look the world through. I have lately pondered with the idea of "me" not being anything else but a single result of our mass consciousness to allow itself to have a viewpoint like mine - and that is the same with every spiritually "awakening" being as well. Turn it around! Do not look down on anyone who is on the "right hand path" but recognize that that is not individuals being in the dark but the representation of our human oversoul's state of being. We are part of it, they are part of it. We have equal importance in the process. Equal.
But, and here is what I know you have had conflicts with or troubles with when trying to comprehend or cope with: STS beings are just as part of the consciousness as STO. If you have such an incredibly beatuiful and understanding overview of how an oversoul works, the concept of STS and STO naturally falls away. "STS" is really nothing more than a deliberate process of pushing one's head above the water long enough so they gather strength to rise up, instead of lying at the level of the surface near the water. If there were not so many "bad" acts in this world, many of us would not have been inspired to take on this journey in the first place. Be glad that the Creator allows THEM to have their experience, and YOU to have yours. Equal importance, equal parts of the same process. Imho. And I would not start doing bad things to others, but hell, it was not too long ago when all I cared is my own well being. Throw a rock at me if you never did the same in your younger days. : )
Also, I firmly believe that you cannot directly "help" or offer service an oversoul if you are not within. I would have no issues reincarnating as many times in this earth as it should take for me to play my role out as fully as I intended to. Because remember, it really is only a moment's time, but this 3rd density vehicle cannot comprehend that, so we dwell in vibrations that allow us to linearly process our experiences.
Also, one more thing that I wanted to add: my understanding of why we should call ourselves sub-Creator or Creator is because we ARE the creator of our own experiences. We are the creator of our universes - even if our universe is just a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub....-subset of the One Infinite Existence that we are exploring constantly, even if we have 6d, 5d, or 1d viewpoints. Calling ourselves "Gods" is accomodating to an idea that we are not powerless to the things out there, but rather we have every experience according to what belief systems move and motivate us currently. Be the change's vehicle control ("STS") or acceptance ("STO"), my understanding dictates that one needs to recognize that everything is a result of our belief systems, therefore we are the Creators of our own universes.
Hi Oldern,
Thanks for your indepth consideration.
I would say that I mostly agree with your thoughts except that I think in a couple of areas you have misunderstood what I think. Firstly, I do not think the human is an illusion or that each human experience is unimportant. When I speak of the delusion I am speaking to the way that the human naturally thinks of their experience as permanent instead of temporary. You said that you would like to continue to reincarnate for as long as is necessary. But I would ask you, 'necessary to achieve what?'
Will you reincarnate forever never reaching that point of 'what'? Do you see how such thinking becomes a barrier to moving further? I agree that we are the Creator's experience, and that time is also illusory and perception, but I guess the difference in how we are looking at it is that your experience would be a continuation of the same over and over, where mine would be to move into other experiences of higher vibration.
And this is where the aspects of STS and STO come into play. In my opinion, in my way of thinking when I consider these things, there is direction only in perception which is created when each fragmentation/experience chooses to vibrate lower or higher. Vibrating lower condenses matter moving it to a state of being that is further from higher being. Vibrating faster transforms dense matter into higher states of being.
Both are valid experiences within the All, but that fact does not change the truth of direction, or the natural dynamic of frequency vibration.
I know that these terminologies are probably not scientifically accurate, and I hope that those reading understand it the way that I am trying to convey it.
So it seems that the only real difference that we have is in how we perceive the choices that we make as individual experiences of the All. You see this human experience as a more permanent expression of the Creator. Whereas I see the human experience as no different than the stone or the plant, or the higher states of being. And because I have that attitude it is natural for me to seek to acquire the higher states of being because I perceive that as development and growth.
if I might, you are like the old oak that has reached the pinnacle of its growth and is content to experience its environment as an old oak.
I am like a vine that struggles to continue climbing and finding new places to cling, and new forms of being.
I do not mean that to be insulting. It is simply my attempt to express what I think is our difference in metaphor.
It is my understanding when I speculate on these things that if one chooses to satisfy the self, keeping the head above water as you put it, they are remaining caught between the below and the above as they tread water in one spot unable to move higher or lower.
In my thinking there is direction in this experience we call life, and As above, So below. But each will be a very different experience/vibration, even though each will end in the same paradox of infinity.
It is all one experience in the One Consciousness, but the infinite vibrations that it creates manifest in the human experience as the choice between higher and lower frequency. And lower frequency will not achieve higher frequency.
And even though as you note, the lower has its effects that stimulate certain reaction and catalyst, I am confused as to why one would deliberately choose to lower their vibration when the higher offers new experiences of far greater potential that one has previously not experienced?
Why jump into the bath tub filled with used water, when one has the option to jump into a sea of brand new water? This is my dilemma.