Forest Retreat

[Cyan]

I'm checking to see if LOO oriented people would be interested in the following:

1-6 appartments capable of housing 20+ people indefinently in the forest, + food in N-Europe.

If intrest is sufficient it will encourage me to go for this option as it is presente din my life at the moment.

If I desire i will be able to house anyone in the appartments in the forest (at about 50+km from the nearest semi-urban center) and provide electricity-water-heat. It would take some amount of effort on my part to secure the facilities neccesary to do that but i am able to do so if enough people express an interest in such a place.

So, to put it in another way.

Would the LOO readers + people here be interested in contributing to the maintanance + finances at a low level for such a place if i guarantee to keep it open at anytime before announcing it before hand to any LOO member free of charge for any period of time and include food + water + electricity + heat?

I am planning to either buy a appartment complex in my current country, or attempt to move to the US for an extended stay.

The finances of this are a possibility for me, but the thing is simple. If i am to live there alone, i'll be bored. Plain and simple.

So, let me break it up into what I have in mind, and see if everyone understands it.

I will purchase a appartment complex in my home country, and agree to put it up for use by the Bring4th members of known and renown trusted by other members for free at anytime for any purpose, on the agreement that during the persons stay there they will commit to the maintanance of the place. In other words, stuff like paint the house, fix fences, make firewood and so on.

I can purchase such a place with the way my finances are right now rather easily unless something terrible happens and keep it in my name but turn it over to LOO and B4th use.

I am planning to buy such a place anyway and possibly turn it into a ashram like location where people can withdraw and contemplate if they agree to give return services but the thought of running such a place alone is unappealing.

So, instead of asking for money, which I would consider unethical. I ask for return labour.

As the US finances start going down the hill and as the world starts to destabilise i feel the guaranteed promise of a retreat in N-European forests 50 km from the nearest urban centers with an independent power generation, own forest and heat, starts to sound about right.

But If no one has interest in such an possibility i will be unable to maintain it alone for years.

So, if in the coming summer I purchase such a place, can anyone from B4th say they would be willing to live there free of charge assuming they maintain and if possible, repair or upgrade the facility while I am away from it. And if so, when would you be willing to do so and for how long?

The cost of such a place to purchase is within my means quite possibly by early summer, and the yearly maintanance if done professionally is about 10-15 grand but can be done almost free with sufficient volunteer help.

The place I am eyeing right now has 3-4 buildings, a garage and a total of 550m2 living space (about 5900ft2) plus over 5km2 of private forest and about 100km2 of government forest around with no inhabitants and free hunting and foraging rights.

I could also theoretically buy it and transfer it to a joint corporate structure and name myself as the shareholder but someone from the b4th staff as the CEO.

Thoughts, comments? Would the possibility of a forest community (safe)house be worth the hazzle involved?

[peelstreetguy]

Interesting idea. Too bad it's not in Canada where I live. Which country are you talking about?

[Cyan]

Interesting idea. Too bad it's not in Canada where I live. Which country are you talking about?

I'd rather not say on the slim off chance that someone here might recognize me.

But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Europe one of those.

[Pablísimo]

Greetings, Brother Cyan, I hope you are well today.

First of all, I'd like to tell you that I admire your willingness to share your bounty with others and make such an extraordinary offer to your family at Bring4th. This idea may or may not actually manifest -- I honestly do not know if this is wise. It may or may not be right for you and others, but regardless of the outcome I appreciate your trust and openness. To offer such accommodation to us while asking for nothing more than labor for upkeep and companionship in return is a truly kind and loving gesture. So, I'd like to honor you for that first and foremost.

Now, I'd also like to comment further on a few things I think I picked up from your post. I hope my comments have some relevancy for you, but I sincerely apologize to you in advance if I have misunderstood your words. At least for now, I'm "only a 3D human" and may not have fully grasped your thoughts and the energy behind them.

I absolutely understand the desire to live in a forested, rural area with self-generating electricity, heat, and trees. I also understand the desire to not live alone, or only with your significant other. To be perfeectly honest with you, I have an extremely strong desire to live in a small rural commune with a few other singles, couples, or families that follow the precepts of the Law of One. A small group of people that will share communal labor and yet give absolute freedom to eachother and completely respect everyone's individual free will. If we could ever find such a place and it would be somehow possible financially, my wife & I would move there in a heartbeat, and with joy.

This desire, though, is basically rooted in two areas. 1) The deire to live closer to nature in a a sustainable and spiritual way. And 2) the desire to share the burdens and the joys of human life with other like-minded souls who have the same basic positive orientation. People who you can trust... people like us, who will act with a high degree of morality in any given situation and treat others with kindness and respect simply because they/we can be no other way. No cults, of personality or religion, just honest, reasonable, and loving people with a quiet spirituality and love for Gaia and other beings.

I apologize for the length of this, but I am telling you all of this so you can understand where I am coming from. I believe it is a place of Love.

Is this the same reason that you are considering such a place, too? Do you long for these things? Or is your desire instead rooted in fear? Fear of the collapse of civilization, perhaps, or fear of economic doom? Which vibration is your desire rooted in -- Love or Fear?

I ask you this question not to judge you in any way, but only to help you clarify in your own mind what it is that you really want...and why. Are you running towards something Lovely? Or are you running away from something Fearful? You mentioned the world destabilizing and finances going downhill, and that is what made me ask these questions. In my own experience, plans and desires rooted in fear often manifest negative outcomes whereas plans and desires rooted in Love can truly result in miracles. I feel it is valuable to understand where your true desires really lay.

You also mentioned a potential move instead to the US for a long-term stay. This is quite a difference from your ashram idea, and makes me wonder again what you are really longing for. Is it that you sense a need for a radical change of scenery? A new life circumstance -- in the forest of your land of birth or in a 'foreign' land across the sea? If so, there is nothing wrong with this at all. Though I firmly believe that this whole earth is our home and we all have a right to wander to and settle in any corner of beautiful Gaia we see fit, I have found in my own travels that my state of Being matters far, far more than my physical circumstances. I have traveled extensively in my lifetime and yet I never really left home. I've discovered over time that it simply does not matter where we are physically. We will carry our loves, our desires, and our problems with us wherever we go.

That said, one's physical situation is indeed a very significant factor in this incarnation. We would be foolish to deny this very real facet of reality, in my estimation. Living in another environment can really give us a sense of perspective and sometimes is just waht we need. So perhaps moving would make sense for you, if only temporarily. It truly does not matter if you stay where you are, move to the US, or open your retreat for Bring4th. My personal opinion is that your quality of life will be far more affected by the state of your Consciousnes -- by your mind and heart -- than any physical factor.

This brings me to something my intuition has been begging me to share with you since I read your post yesterday. I don't know why, but I really feel strongly to ask you if you have ever visited Iceland? If you have not, I strongly recommend that you visit there before making your decision. If your financial situation is good enough to contemplate such a purchase, and since you are already in N. Europe, I suspect it would be extremely easy for you to pop over for a visit. As I mentioned earlier, I have visited many, many countries, but never a place like Iceland. The nice, temperate climate, the loving Ocean surrounding the isle, the extremely high quality of life, the organic food, the incredibly pure water, the environmentally-friendly power generation, the fantastically beautiful landscapes, and the genral human decency of the Icelandic people made my heart absolutely soar. Iceland is an amazing place of peace and joy!!! We had been planning for almost a decade to retire in Ecuador (a wonderful place!), but we knew in our all too brief time there that we could live in Iceland and be happy for the rest of our lives. I've only discarded it as a possibility because of money and the difficulty for non EU citizens to migrate. Ironically enough, starting a spiritual retreat/ashram there has been a major fantasy of mine for a long time. Never have I experienced such a lack of pollution, such incredibly sustaining and wholesome food and water, and PEACE. It is a peaceful land filled with peaceful people. The population is so very small there is space, there is beauty, there is RESPECT for one another. Like any other place on earth, it has it's issues and problems but as a very seasoned traveler and great appreciator of mother Gaia, I say with absolute conviction, that Iceland is a VERY special place. Within minutes of touching its gorgeous soil, an intense clarity of mind and peace came over me that is indescribable. I wonder if perhaps it would be a good place for you to do some soul-searching and thinking?

I don't know why I feel compelled to mention this to you, but my intuition is insisting. Perhaps you've already been to Iceland and this is all moot. But if your financial situation and geographical location are that good, then even a short trip over there would be perfectly feasible for you. Even if you only stay a short time, perhaps a brief vacation, the clear air and wholesome food and lack of crime and angst and crushing emotions from masses of people might just give you the clarity you need to determine what you really want to do long-term.

Of course, I still maintain that you have no need to go anywhere in order to find peace, guidance, or anything else you are seeking. There's no need to open your retreat or move to the US or anywhere else, but of course you could do either of these things and a million more possibilities. This incarnation is yours to modify as you see fit. We are all things and our Consciousness is the only thing that is real. Space, like time, is really just an illusion. You can take the Jouney of a thousand miles without ever leaving your meditation blanket!

Well, Cyan, I hope these words made some sense to you. I hope that I did not presume too much with you and make bad assumptions. My sincere wish if for you to make a decision that feels right to you, in your own time, and in such a way that will achieve the best and highest good for everyone involved. Whatever you choose - may your heart be lightened and your mind be at ease! No matter what you do or where you go, I am confident you will make the right decision.

Namaste, Brother. Thanks again for your love and generosity to this community. It is your kind and loving intentions that matter far more than your actions or results.


Love to all

[Cyan]

Good response.

I have in fact been thinking of Iceland for a while now. I havent visited the country yet but plan to do so in the semi-near future.


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It is designed to ease anyones fears of "losing everything and having to jump off a rooftop" if the world system starts going downhill even more.

It would allow people to focus more on what they want to do when they know that there would be a place to "catch your breath and come up with a new plan" even if all goes badly.

Failing that, it would be a magnificent place I feel, to hold all kinds of retreats and classes for those in Europe.

I would say my selfish desire is to get a relatively good quality free maintanance and a place to live and the company.

I feel the idea of "hey, no matter how bad the world goes, we'll always be able to move there" would be a nice morale booster for everyone here!

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Interestingly I DO have a meditation blanket, you psychics with your mind poking skills.

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One of the reasons I want said house is that I plan to start a healing/health center/alternative healing school at some point and the experience of running a center like this would be quite beneficial.

That, and i expect it to be a whole lot of fun!

Besides, it would open up whole new opportunities to see the world if more people here agree to give room and board for B4 members all over the world!

[Oceania]

i could use a breather right now but i guess it's a ways away. if you worry about housing, may i suggest building some cob houses. it's more environmentally friendly and if everyone builds them together you'd get a pretty good deal. much cheaper. the houses are also very pretty. although you gotta get building permissions and buy land. but that's it. then everyone can learn to build houses. also if there's a catastrophe it's good to have skills so we can help others and build ourself houses wherever we go.

[Cyan]

i could use a breather right now but i guess it's a ways away. if you worry about housing, may i suggest building some cob houses. it's more environmentally friendly and if everyone builds them together you'd get a pretty good deal. much cheaper. the houses are also very pretty. although you gotta get building permissions and buy land. but that's it. then everyone can learn to build houses. also if there's a catastrophe it's good to have skills so we can help others and build ourself houses wherever we go.

The cost of buying something like 550m2 of built housing plus 250 of garage + storage + at least 5km of land is about 50k€ right now, something which should be within my means by later this year.

The cost of building such a housing as you would suggest to the building codes in this country (which are stupid strict) would be much much higher.

However, building officially "for-rec use only"(EDIT: Label them as for recreation purposes only but actually use them as houses) and then housing people in them after i have the area + the main houses would be quite easy.

Such as a traditional "long house" style housing would be easy to construct in the soil + materials.

[Oceania]

so what is your point?

[Pablísimo]

Thanks for clarifying your intentions and ideas. I think I understand what you are getting at alot better than I did from your original post, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain further.

This really does sound like a unique and very interesting idea. More importantly, it is based far more in love than it is in fear. Just a splash of anxiety in an ocean of love. Not a bad ratio, indeed.

To be honest, I do still sense a little ambiguity about your specific goals, like you haven't quite made up your mind what you want to do with it, or even if you want to go this route at all, but that's perfectly natural. Ideas evolve over time and I understand this thread is to gauge interest and help you decide.

Were you to open such a retreat I would try to visit if I found myself close to the area. I have never met or even been around any Law of One dedicated folks in real life, and I know I would find even a short stay a balm to the soul. But given that I live in North America, I have to be honest with you that it would only be for a short time. Others closer to you may have the longer term intentions that may suit your plans better, though I cannot speak for them.

Whatever you do, perhaps it would be wise to make your decision very slowly and make good use of that meditation blanket before spending a single Euro.

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I have in fact been thinking of Iceland for a while now. I havent visited the country yet but plan to do so in the semi-near future.

Ahh, excellent! Well I hope you do get the opportunity to visit. For me, it was a country that I always thought would be interesting to visit one day. But wow.....when I finally got there, I was completely and utterly surprised by how I felt... spiritually. It was an incredible bastion of peace, nature, and tranquility. It honestly felt like a 4D+ preview and I almost wept with the joy of being there. This deeply surprised me. I was amazed, and alas my time there was far too short. How I long to return! For some reason I keep thinking of Iceland when I read your post.. I'm not sure why, but something was telling me to suggest you go have a look there. Just random intuition maybe, or my own insanity, I don't know. But I feel much better for having offered the seed to you. I am just one person in a highly subjective world, but I sense you would enjoy it very much. If you do ever visit, I'd love to know your impressions.

One of the reasons I want said house is that I plan to start a healing/health center/alternative healing school at some point and the experience of running a center like this would be quite beneficial.

What a truly excellent goal. My hats off to you, brother. That would be wonderful.

That, and i expect it to be a whole lot of fun!

Even better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever you decide and however things work out, I sincerely wish you the very best of success. May you have all the Love & Light you need to achieve your goals. When your heart is open and your mind is clear, the right people and circumstances will come to you, I am sure of it.

Good luck, bróðir!!!!!!

Love to all