Safe Places?

[MisterRabbit]

Do you have a plan for when the pheces hits the fan?

I've been reading news stories about military assistance being planned in case of a flu outbreak, and I'm sure most of you have seen the prison complexes the conspiracy theorists talk about.

I know that Q'uo etc have told us that we don't have to worry too much about actual phsyical earth changes, but am I incorrect in remembering that they did not particularly tell us we didn't have to worry about people?

Let's face it folks, most of us are living in the belly of the beast, and are most likely slaves to the whore of Babylon, that which "is and is not, and yet is" (from Revelations), i.e. currency and the power structure of this world. Money is completely imaginary, it is only the method by which trade and transactions are organized, and civilization as we know it is simply the very intelligent ways in which the powers that be (not the puppet-show governments) have decided to keep man enslaved. Now, I think that concern for this kind of take-over is a legitimate one. While this coming age is the intro to 4th, it is also the dying out of the 3rd, and that death may not go smoothly or peacefully, judging by the past record of man-kind's behaviour.

However, I'm not here to fear-monger. I truly believe that the peacemakers shall inherit the earth, just like the guy said. And death is not to fear, so truly what is there to fear? But, it may well be that those peacemakers who inherit it are the ones who hid themselves, at least until the shift is complete and we incarnate into 4th. It's one thing to have faith, which I do, but it's quite another to sit and do nothing. "Have faith in God, but tie up your camel," as the old Moslem story goes.

So, has anyone else who is concerned about this sort of thing made any "just-in-case" plans? I feel that it's time I started to, but I don't really know where to begin.

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[Sirius]

For reasons that I am unsure, I have always felt Macchu Picchu and it's surrounding area (geographicly) was the safest place to be if anything like this did happen. Earth changes and Human changes.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings All:

As a Human Angel (which we all are whether we recognize this or not) I know that I will be where I am to be at the time that all is divine order. My focus is on living life to the fullest in alignment with Love, Light and Truth. The truth is Love is all there is--- and the rest we just make up.

Since we are magnificent beings of Light we create our own reality... what you focus upon with your mind and heart and deeds is indeed what you will experience.

Love--

fairyfarmgirl

[airwaves]

I do not find myself concerned. Before I found the LOO I was for sure, but now in a "Buddha-like" fasion, eyes half open, and relaxed as can be; I just accept it.

What will be will be, and I will be where I need to be when what will be is being.


How much Norris could Chuck Norris chuck if Chuck Norris could chuck Norris??????

[Lorna]

ditto with fairyfarmgirl and airwaves

i used to have a lot of post-apocolyptic dreams and strong urges to buy a bike / camping equipment / stockpile lentils (yep, seriously), but i think having seen life unfold exactly as it was clearly meant to, i am now a lot more comfortable with just being rather than planning for something that in all likelihood probably won't happen

[MisterRabbit]

"i am now a lot more comfortable with just being rather than planning for something that in all likelihood probably won't happen Smile"

I tend not to make that assumption.

To the others, I understand all that about how things will be as they should, I get it. But if a farmer sits around thinking his crops will grow as they should and doesn't till the land, he will be up you know which creek without a paddle. Again, have faith in god, but tie up your camel, I say.

[Lorna]

yeah, i agree if you're feeling that urgency and that need to do something then follow that feeling and prepare

it's just for me, personally, i no longer have that feeling of future catastrophic / apocolyptic change, and personally i think that has a lot to do with my letting go of a feeling that my future was out of my control

for me the doing, the tying up of my camel, is in the interpersonal connections i am making with people, quite often through work actually, and the coming together of people who radiate light

[airwaves]

"i am now a lot more comfortable with just being rather than planning for something that in all likelihood probably won't happen Smile"

I tend not to make that assumption.

To the others, I understand all that about how things will be as they should, I get it. But if a farmer sits around thinking his crops will grow as they should and doesn't till the land, he will be up you know which creek without a paddle. Again, have faith in god, but tie up your camel, I say.

I also understand your perspective friend. In this particular situation we have absolutely no control. We can not help it if the crazy nwo sts folks that are in power decide to spaz out on us. And if they want any of us in particular they will get us. So im just going to continue doing what I do and hope for the best. If it does start to look like the you know what is going to hit the fan, and hit it near me, I may grab what I need and go. Just so that im not in the middle of it. I do not think I could leave my stormy behind nor my wandering brother and his stormy. Suffice it to say beyond just choosing love over fear, I have way to much going on to get concerned about something that just doesnt worry me. Too many people near me that I love dearly.

I do have to say though lorna " buying a bike / camping equipment / " sounds like fun imo.

[fairyfarmgirl]

ditto with fairyfarmgirl and airwaves

i used to have a lot of post-apocolyptic dreams and strong urges to buy a bike / camping equipment / stockpile lentils (yep, seriously), but i think having seen life unfold exactly as it was clearly meant to, i am now a lot more comfortable with just being rather than planning for something that in all likelihood probably won't happen

LOL-- Lorna-- I did the same about 2 years ago! I still have lentils and the camping equipement... my husband asked me to stop buying lentils! LOL A bit silly of me.

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

being where you are 'supposed' to be will only come for following such urges. persay if we sit back and do nothing ignoring all thoughts and feelings that say this is not what we should be doing, you are not in the right place blah blah blah.

Honestly, I don't fear anything bad which may come. I would welcome such an event, oddly. I feel true colours would fly in such an event, leading one to beleive the harvest and earth cataclysims are linked.

Here in England I do feel safe. Whilst hating the beaurocracy of this place and wanting to move to a different country like Canada or something, I do feel that I am supposed to be here, I won't be able to find the things I am looking for if I left.

When I have these thoughts it just makes me think of England as a realllly old place, stongehenge and things. This land is very important for a lot of reasons I am unaware of.

[Monica]

being where you are 'supposed' to be will only come for following such urges. persay if we sit back and do nothing ignoring all thoughts and feelings that say this is not what we should be doing, you are not in the right place blah blah blah.

Exactly! The task, however, is to be able to discern which urges are higher guidance, and which are coming from fear. I have established the intention to never do anything out of fear (unless I happen to be chased by a tiger maybe, ha!). Stop and b-r-e-a-t-h-e. Meditate. Ask for guidance via dreams and whatever form your personal guidance takes. Person A might feel guided to just relax, while Person B might feel guided to buy lentils and camping equipment!

(Lentils are great to have on hand, btw, because you can sprout them as well as cook them!)

My hubby and I bought long-term storage food 25 years ago. It all turned to dust. It might have been a good idea if we had used it every few years and replenished it. But alas, it all got wasted!

I think the martial law/concentration camps stuff is fearmongering. They've been saying that stuff for awhile. Last year, it was president cheney who was going to instill martial law. The rumor was that there would be martial law by fall 2008, and the election would be postponed, and cheney would be in permanent power. Oh, and anyone who spoke out would be rounded up and put into all those 'concentration camps.'

Well, um, it didn't happen. Just like the global catastrophes didn't happen in 1987...or in 1996 (remember the "I am America" map?) ...or in 2000 (Y2k) or...what was that other one? sorry I forgot, I lost track...

Looking at this pragmatically, I just don't see what they would gain by rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps. I mean, just think of the logistics of that! They have a hard enough time taking care of the prisoners in jail who are getting diabetes, cancer, etc. (They require disease management too!)

Anyway, they already control the minds of those who want to be controlled...there's no need to control them bodily.

I also don't buy into the 'population control' stuff, for the simple reason that, if they released some sort of superbug, 'they' (whoever 'they' is) would be susceptible to it also. I've researched enough about the inefficacy of vaccinations to believe that 'they' know well enough that vaccination wouldn't protect them. So, imo, it's all a farce. Just more fearmongering.

Now, a legitimate (as in, naturally occurring/mutating as opposed to being created in a lab) superbug...yeah I could see that happening, as a natural means of providing a convenient exit for those who don't wish to stay here. Since I do want to stay here, getting prepared physically is something that is important to me. Hence, I feel very drawn to doing what I can to strengthen my immune system. I don't do this out of fear. I just don't think it's a stretch for something like that to happen...just like a hurricane or tsunami might happen...but those are natural things and therefore in a different category than artificially orchestrated events. I just don't think the 'power elite' has much control any more. They want us to think they do, and that's why they're making this big deal about the swine flu. I don't fear the swine flu. The only thing I'm maybe a teeny bit concerned about is the thought of being forced to get some toxic vaccination. THAT scares me! (deep breath)

When I have these thoughts it just makes me think of England as a realllly old place, stongehenge and things. This land is very important for a lot of reasons I am unaware of.

Ah, man, if I lived in England, I sure wouldn't want to leave either!

I think I remember Ra saying that there were no longer any 'safe' places geographically. That's not to say there aren't any safe places, but only that it would be up to each individual to be in the place that is appropriate for them. There was also something about STO's having a measure of protection not afforded to STS's...an STS entity could get stuck in a natural disaster, but an STO wouldn't be affected by a group-karma event (natural disaster) unless it was his/her karma. In other words, we don't have to worry about getting prematurely taken out by some hurricane or something, unless it really was what was appropriate for us. This was comforting!

Having said all that, I do think it's pragmatic to have maybe a small supply of extra food, first aid, etc. on hand. By 'small' I mean for maybe a couple of weeks or so. I don't feel personally guided to stockpile a year's worth of food (and certainly not weapons) or head for the hills. If some people feel to do that, then, that might be the 'right place' for them. I would just suggest working with that impulse and try to get past the fear, to make sure it really is guidance and not fear that is driving the urge.

Having a stocked cupboard and a few bags of sprouting seeds and a few 5-gallon bottles of water on hand isn't exactly survival mode...it wouldn't last very long in an Armageddon scenario...but it would get the family thru a temporary quarantine, a power outage or a hurricane or something like that. I think having a small stash for short-term emergencies is a good idea, generally speaking, anyway, and has nothing to do with 2012 or any of that. That sort of thing could happen anytime.

I think of it sort of like locking my door at night. I just do it out of habit. I am just in the habit of making sure my cupboard is always full. When we had the hurricane scare, everyone was rushing to the grocery store to stock up on bread, bottled water, etc. If we don't let our cupboards get too bare on a regular basis, then we just won't have to stand in lines or be disappointed when the grocery store shelves are bare, due to panic. I'm not going to waste a huge amount of $$ on huge amounts of long-term storage stuff, but a small amount of basic staples, that we use anyway, seems to be a good balance for me. (I also like to have sprouting seeds on hand, because sprouts are easy to grow and provide fresh greens any time. But I use them regularly anyway, so that's not really stockpiling for me.) Each of us has to find the balance that feels comfortable for us. I think the key is that, whatever we decide, we do it out of pragmatism and NOT out of fear.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings Bring 4th Monica and All:

Thank you! LOL we are currently munching through our 3 year stockpile of lentils. I buy more to replace what we eat and my husband just shakes his head. He is a big believer in being at the right place at the right time kind of fellow. I had to work at getting to that place within Self--- lol-- he was already there...

I agree it is important to always have a working stock of 3 weeks worth of food, working batteries for the working flashlights (I have kids I know all about drained batteries from flashlights nicked from the drawer to play a covert game of flashlight tag while Ma is not looking and then the lights go out from a storm and guess what--- no flashlights! LOL So I now have decoy flashlights kept in conspicuous places for the wee people who live with me to nick and play with--- they think that they are being naughty by taking ma's flashlights..hehehehhe)

I also have plenty of candles and matches (hidden away) to use when the power goes out... had to use the stash of candles because of the flashlight scenario. I also have an old fashioned kerosene lamp that was my great great grandmothers... we used that during the last icestorm to read by and it is very reliable LOL

We always keep full tanks in our vehicles so we can go at least 444 miles away from where ever we are if need be. 444 is a number of significance it is the number of Oneness... So in lieu of all that all of this is more than likely a moot point but sometimes it is nice to humor the human in me.

Unless it is the dead of winter, I can go out into the wilds and harvest enough foods to keep us going... granted the husband and kids would have to be really, really, really, really, really hungry to eat what Ma is serving up... and when the belly is a growling grubs look pretty yummy. LOL

Sirius--- It is my greatest dream to live for extended periods of time in England, Wales, Scotland, Cornwall, and Ireland. I dream of it often during my sleep times. It is a magical place. And there are portals there that are opening up this week and next in fact. I would go and check out Cornwall, Stonehenge and knock about in Wales if I were there during this time. Great Great times.

--fairyfarmgirl

I am always astounded at American behaviors to any disaster-- storm warnings etc... they all rush to the grocery store buy up ever imaginable perishable food item and go home feeling bolstered that they are "prepared."

[ayadew]

The only problems will be those you chose to be

[Richard]

I don't believe the "shits going to hit the fan" in any case. 2012 will be just like 2011 or 2013 for that matter. Life will go on just as it has. There will be war and peace...but hopefully humanity will be taking a different perspective on life and spirit.

I think 2012 more represents a beginning than an end. We'll just have to live out our long natural lives and "walk the walk" spiritually instead of "talking the talk"...and gain harvest (or not) upon our natural passing.

Richard

[MisterRabbit]

Thanks for comments all, good food for thought.

P.S. I LOVE lentils.

[thr33tim3]

I think this is a very valid issue which I have thought about a lot, and there are many ways to look at it.

Above all, I have a trust in my own personal path that I will be lead "where I need to be". I felt very strongly moved to "get out of the city!" back in '05-'06, and now live way out in the middle of nowhere, near Mt. Shasta. I had also read that Mt. Shasta would be a "city of light" in the New Age, but I am not so sure anymore if that wasn't some sort of disinfo. It is unclear to me anyway. But here I am, and at least I am out in the peace and quiet of nature rather than in some apartment highrise surrounded by a million people.

I also have a strong background in studying NWO issues, and to be fair, people have been warning about FEMA camps and martial law and engineered disease outbreaks since the '80s AT LEAST. Particularly if you read old back-issues of Cosmic Awareness, you will see many times throughout the years that everything was ABOUT TO hit the fan, but then cooled off. There is a big industry out there selling survivalism gear, and if you were to take their word for it back in say '98 because of the "upcoming Y2K disasters", what sort of position would you be in now? You would have been way over-prepared about a decade too soon!

However, much of this current economic crisis appears to be the results of a supremely-structured, well-thought-out plan involving corporations deliberately bankrupting themselves etc, for the purpose of leading into a globalized economy/one world order. I have been reading about such concepts since the early '00s, and people have been writing about it for decades. So, I mean, from all appearances, things SEEM to be going pretty much according to plan, don't they? And the next step of the plan is apparently total enslavement and massive depopulation, with possibly a false alien invasion or appearance of some false messiah thrown in to spice things up.

For a long time, I read the channeled material believing that it was giving us the tools to OVERCOME this negative future potential, and manifest the reality of unity and love. I've already written about how I did lots of energy work for many years, and affirmations of overcoming these issues, but not really feeling as though I felt things change. Now I find myself wondering if all that I've read about is simply going to come to pass after all, and that only AFTER it has come to its logical conclusion can the light then begin to reassert balance and unity, etc. I dunno! I wish I felt like I had more of a say in the situation now, but I really don't know what any of us can do. My personal priority for the past few years has been trying to network and connect with people, so that as a group we could support each other, but I haven't had much luck meeting anyone except online. I don't know any of my neighbors further than two houses away from me, and even in a town with a population of 1000, the "bad men with guns" will have all the power if our electricity is turned off and all the stores close. Yikes! I prefer not to focus on such possibilities. But it still begs the question, what does one do about this situation?

Ideally, I think we all need to make friends with all of our neighbors, so that we can all share skills and food-stores if the need arises. People need to aspire to self-sufficiency as much as possible, but also need to unify and organize. This seems to be much more likely in small towns with low populations. Ideally I would not even be in America. I've heard Ecuador, if I recall correctly, was really peaceful and pleasant and safe.

In the core of my being I have faith in the light, but my rational mind is totally over-loaded and confused by what I observe in the world around me.
T

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oops I just realized I didn't see there was a SECOND page worth of responses, so I think I may have repeated some points other people already made. Oh well, that is kind of reassuring anyway, right?
T

[thr33tim3]

Looking at this pragmatically, I just don't see what they would gain by rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps. I mean, just think of the logistics of that! They have a hard enough time taking care of the prisoners in jail who are getting diabetes, cancer, etc. (They require disease management too!)

I totally agree with this, actually, and always considered the FEMA camp concept very shaky because of it. First off, the sheer manpower it would require to "round people up", entire towns?? Second, there is NO WAY they could possibly know how many people were living in any given house at any given time, tons of people would get overlooked, especially if they were hiding!

Still, there are other wildcards that could be played...

[Monica]

I totally agree with this, actually, and always considered the FEMA camp concept very shaky because of it. First off, the sheer manpower it would require to "round people up", entire towns?? Second, there is NO WAY they could possibly know how many people were living in any given house at any given time, tons of people would get overlooked, especially if they were hiding!

Still, there are other wildcards that could be played...

Well, of course the conspiracy theorists think that it is they who will be rounded up. But being that over 1/3 of Americans know about 911, that's still a LOT of people! And that's not even counting all the others who might be considered 'fringe' in some way or another.

[MisterRabbit]

Well yeah, the point is that whoever doesn't want to do what they say will be put into the camps.

thr33tim3, I pretty much feel exactly the way you do. I have faith, but I also think that the sh!t may very well hit the fan before our promised peace arrives. But really, they are everywhere, I think, and there's no escaping them, really. It just SEEMS like maybe if you were some place where they weren't going to concentrate their efforts (like a major city) then you might be better off.

I don't necessarily buy into the whole "we create our reality" thing, although I know it's big with the new-agers. While I do think we can have an effect on a quantum level and that free will is certainly alive, I personally tend to think that there is a higher plot, in a sense, unfolding that has little to do with what we decide we're going to "manifest". And I think it may be that which has been prophesied by the mayans, nostrodamus, etc. So while hoping and praying and meditating for peace and love I'm sure does some good, I don't know to what degree it is really going to avoid whatever is to take place.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it all is completely up for grabs and we can manifest whatever reality we want. In fact I do believe that, technically, I just think that certain patterns have been set in motion that no amount of hoping and wishing are going to stop.

[Ali Quadir]

Well yeah, the point is that whoever doesn't want to do what they say will be put into the camps.

And the rest of them will just accept that? Civil wars have been started over taxes. But won't be started over deportation of major portions of the population? The problem with that is that soldiers are notoriously unreliable if you tell them to go against their own people. There is a disproportionately large chance for mutiny.

The guys who have been thinking this plan up. Who presumably had decades or centuries to plan ahead will not leave that to chance. I would not do that. And I don't presume to be smarter than they are.These theories in my opinion are an interesting mix between underestimating and overestimating your opponent's abilities. And quite likely engineered either by some victim of paranoia or by those powers that be as a method to disqualify their most likely opponents among the population.

It's clear misinformation is being spread. The so called whistleblowers might just be the poor sods who think they're doing humanity a favor while actually they're inadvertantly furthering the negative elite's agenda.

I doubt this deportation will happen on a large scale. I doubt even more they can pull it off. They will never risk being exposed as the bad guy in the global eye. Doing that means losing support and without support they're just a bunch of old guys with a fascist agenda a fence and a lot of angry people crying for their blood.

Just put yourself in their position. And think about how you'd go about it. If I were them. I'd plan some global catastrophe. Like a pandemic, an invasion from the stars or a meteor impact. And I'd plan on me and mine being the guys coming through to save humanity from this terrible disaster. Even if for all my best efforts I could only save a few million of them. After that I'd initially decline being crowned king of the world. But well, after multiple requests I'd humbly accept... To serve mankind in it's desperate hour of course. Most dictators only became dictator because their fellow country men asked them to on numerous occasions and it is their humble duty to serve their country. Not because they want to. Let's just not mention the manipulations and acting required to create this situation.

If you're interested, read some Machiavelli he made a name for himself writing a kind of guide to world domination. You can bet your behind that the PTB are taking practical advice from this man. Reading it will certainly give you an insight on how these guys think.

You do not take by force. This is expensive, hard to accomplish and hard to maintain after accomplishment. Get people to give it to you instead. This means just showing up at the coronation and people will consider you a hero for generations to come.

[fairyfarmgirl]

I am wondering if there is a benelovent reason for the FEMA camps. The Earth is Shifting! Soon there will be a spate of earthquakes, and Tsunamis and volcanic erruptions, wildfires and floods--- Mother Earth is Birthing--- Consider these active labor contractions. She has no ill will toward any of her co-creations--- and sends us warnings that another one is going to happen--- for instance ever notice the trees just before a big storm or how about all the animals running from an earthquake? We humans stand there stuck on stupid and go on about our day and then the Earth Quake happens and we are all so surprised and unprepared.

For the most part the Lightworkers and Benevolent Beings (Angels, Galactic Federation, Devas etc) are working night and day to keep this planet together during this time of transition--- the darkest moment before birth--- So what happens if there is a natural disaster of a greater magnitude than Hurricane Katrina or the Tsunami in Asia? Where do the survivors go if no family can take them in or all exists are blocked going say east across the US or Inland if in Europe or how about in Japan where there is really no place to go but into the ocean... Changes are upon us. There is not much we can do on this plane of existence to change that--- what we can do is be AWARE of the signs of change around us. If the waves at the ocean look strange--- get at least 10 miles inland. If animals are running from an area, no bugs are buzzing and the trees have stopped moving even though there is wind.... Move as far away as possible from that area. The signs are always there. It is up to us to listen and see.

I am sure the Katrina Hurricane survivors would have dearly loved quality housing in a safe place as opposed to be put in the stadium. I am sure the survivors of the Tsunamis and Earth Quakes would be very happy if housing and food and medical care had been offered to them--- unfortunately in all these cases no one offered any help and in some cases help was stalled because of greed, evil, and power and control games that are being played out in Asia and Africa right now.

It is possible that the piggy flu is a cover for these soon to be manifesting natural events--- to keep the public from reacting in an irrational way. This is not a view point that I think is prudent or honest---- but not exactly coming from an a place of evil either. It is similar to telling a child a parent who has died is "working" and won't be coming home from "work" anymore. The person telling this story is trying to "protect" the child from feeling pain and protect themselves from fully feeling the pain of their own loss. The intention is good--- protect from unnecessary pain--- the delivery needs work.

fairyfarmgirl

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[Ali Quadir]

It is possible that the piggy flu is a cover for these soon to be manifesting natural events--- to keep the public from reacting in an irrational way. This is not a view point that I think is prudent or honest---- but not exactly coming from an a place of evil either. It is similar to telling a child a parent who has died is "working" and won't be coming home from "work" anymore. The person telling this story is trying to "protect" the child from feeling pain and protect themselves from fully feeling the pain of their own loss. The intention is good--- protect from unnecessary pain--- the delivery needs work.

I doubt the "taco cough" to be anything but a viral marketing campaign. There is absolutely no way I can find that they can predict a random mutation coming fall that will turn a somewhat irregular flu into a killer flu. Unless they already have that killer variant on ice somewhere. And why have that on ice and give people time to prepare for it? If you want to kill. Release by surprise! Prediction is simply not possible in any scenario. Any flu in the history of man kind posed the same threat. Yet today we panic.

Also Tami flu turns out to be less and less effective. In the beginning it reduced sickness duration by one or two days. Right now since people swallow tamiflu at every sniffle or sneeze the viruses are growing resistant to it. Also it turns out that kids get all kinds of intestinal problems and psychological deregulation like nightmares and behavioral problems. The vaccine on the horizon is created by the same group of companies right? It doesn't have to be effective, there is no threat. And they'll probably want to avoid the harm done to the population by vaccination in the previous swine flu disaster. In the end.. That costs them money.

I think there's a good chance that all this is just for the money. American corporations lost billions earlier this year. They need to recover. And the pharmacological companies have found their ticket out of the recession. The politicians are no medical experts and just make safe choices carefully guided by the same medical companies who form the brunt of all those medical advice committees. Politicians rather spend a few millions on a useless medicine than taking the chance of having half the population die on them or (more importantly) be perceived as taking this chance.

Capitalism for the win....

Compared to the attempts to throw the world in disarray at the end of last year I have not seen any big attempts now. There's bound to be a few more attempts though. But I think their ability does not match their ambitions.

Also... Seriously, I saw one of the project Camelot entourage in one of our big news channels today... Not being ridiculed, some journalist actually took the time to describe her story accurately and with references to her work. That's just insane.

Over here that new world order theory may not be fully accepted but everyone knows it! Even if they ridicule it knowledge is still power.

Right.. So anyone up for the theory that it's not them... It's us? We're creating our world. We're letting go of old power structures. We're creating disillusionments and conspiracy theory for ourselves in order to let go of those power structures and create a healthier way to organize things. And those deepest into the conspiracy theories are those working hardest to release this karmic bond.

This isn't to claim that the negative elite does not exist. It does. But it is a reflection of human creation. Not of something imposed upon humanity from the outside.

[Richard]

FFG,

Earth is a tectonically active planet. There are up to 30 earthquakes a day on any given day all over the world. The earth is continually shifting. How do you separate the normal earthquakes from the earthquakes that are “shift” oriented? I don’t think we can in 3D. They are just another catalyst to be dealt with in the course of our lifetime.

But, if tracking earthquakes interests you ( as they do for me)…the USGS has a great website. See link below.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rece...s_all.html

Richard

[3D Sunset]

You do not take by force. This is expensive, hard to accomplish and hard to maintain after accomplishment. Get people to give it to you instead. This means just showing up at the coronation and people will consider you a hero for generations to come.

I agree Ali. Being an arsonist with a fire extinguisher is the easiest route to fame and fortune, and there are a lot them out there.

It just SEEMS like maybe if you were some place where they weren't going to concentrate their efforts (like a major city) then you might be better off.

Hi Rabbit,

I understand your feelings, and I've spent time there myself, but ultimately decided that following my inner calls to act out of love and not fear is the best solution.

Let me suggest a thought exercise for you. Ask yourself, what would be the perfect place for you to find to ride out the storm. I suppose it would be a safe, secluded place that offered an adequate supply of food and water for you to live satisfactorily, if not comfortably for an indeterminate amount of time. No one other than you and your closest friends and family could get to it, and only they would actually fit in it. Sounds like the perfect place to be in troubled times, right? But wait. If you're there during the "difficulties" then you're not really doing anything to help everyone else that's mixed up in the mess. So you're actually acting a little selfishly, aren't you? Recall also that you're probably missing some of the excellent catalyst that the time of Harvest offers. Isn't that why you're here? You could have stayed in time/space and stayed even more comfortable and much safer than exposing yourself to the opportunity to lose polarity at just the time that you intended to gain it.

Now throw a little reality into the perfect place that we just described. As soon as you find such a place you have to be prepared to protect it, right? Otherwise you're probably going to be overrun by some of the "bad guys", or worse yet, some good guys that are just really hungry and scared and untrusting and willing to kill you to save themselves. Do you see where this is going? Acting to save yourself just creates a series of choices that pull you farther and farther down the rabbithole (sorry, I couldn't avoid the pun) of 2D behavior (save the self first but if you can't do that, then save the pack).

I've spent quite some time playing out the scenarios in my mind, and I always come to the same place. I don't see how taking an action to save or protect myself and a group of friends/relatives is actually for the greater good of all. On the other hand, suffering through the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and finding the love in each of those minutes is probably the greatest gift you could give yourself and the world. And what's the worse that will happen? You'll die? Wow, you mean freedom from this 3D mess? Sounds pretty good. So no, the worse that will happen is that you'll suffer, and ache, and lose loved ones, and hide from bad guys, and share what little you are able to scratch out with those that have even less, and do you know what? You'll find the love in each of those moments and polarize farther toward STO in those few months or years than you could in a million years as your 6D self. Catch my drift?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to be like the grasshopper in the fable and laugh at the little ants that prepare for the coming freeze. What I am saying is to follow the voice in your head wherever it leads you. But follow the voice speaking of STO and love, not fear. Because the voice of fear will only lead you astray it is the voice of STS.

Just my 2 cents,

3D Sunset

[thr33tim3]

Its great to see so many thoughtful responses on this topic. I feel like I am on the same page with folks here. I know that Cosmic Awareness, and I THINK Ra also, has made statements to the effect that we are playing out a HUGE cosmic shift in this time period, and that changes are happening on SO many levels, that we are just experiencing a small "slice" of it in this 3D experience. It is the culmination of some huge cycles that have gone for tens of thousands and maybe even millions+ of years. So, in a sense, there really isn't that much we can do to change the general direction of universal events, but what we do have power to work on is our own personal lives, and doing our best to forgive, let go of karmic ties, manifest love/service, etc.

I feel that the Law of Attraction is valid, and in fact there seem to be many Universal Laws, the LOA being just one of them. However, the way I understand it is, WE (all of us on the Earth, even beyond) are ALL creating OUR reality together. We all have effect on each other, even if the effect is subtle. No one is in a complete vacuum from the world, and therefore, all of our creations have been influenced by "others". So we cannot just conjure up a world to suit our desires (maybe in 4D+ that is more possible), rather we have to cope with a COLLECTIVE reality, a group mind, a cultural higher self, that sort of thing. I feel like the LOA has been heavily marketed in the past few years mainly to take advantage of the "self-help" crowd, I mean look who's promoting it, Oprah?? This is a person who will do anything to make a buck, and her niche is taking advantage of people looking for help. So I am skeptical about "The Secret" and "What The Bleep" because I feel like it ignores too many of the issues that influence the actual outcome of all this "positive visualisation" and "feeling what you desire".

Also... Seriously, I saw one of the project Camelot entourage in one of our big news channels today... Not being ridiculed, some journalist actually took the time to describe her story accurately and with references to her work. That's just insane.

Wow! That is pretty amazing for a big news channel to acknowledge something so fringe! Project Camelot has interviewed a lot of fascinating people with very controversial views. People could directly run into George Green or Bill Deagle via such a link! I have enjoyed Green's Handbook For the New Paradigm, but his recent material has been very armageddon-ish, with him basically advising everything that the Light was not powerful enough to overcome the Dark, so everyone has to head for ze hills, specifically COsta Rica I think, and buy lots of gold. Deagle predicts massive martial law and pandemic outbreaks every six months or so, and tries to sell people thousands of dollars worth of health supplements and survivalist gear after each lecture. Cosmic Awareness has pointed to Deagle specifically as an individual who means well, but is unintentionally spreading a fearful message, which is best to just ignore. I do think that to focus on and believe in the fear is to draw it more to yourself, which is why I do my best to maintain an "observer" mode. I think the piggy flu scare is also just about FEAR, the realities of it seem too far-fetched and I mean the death toll is very low, tons of people die from the regular flu every year, that's life.

This isn't to claim that the negative elite does not exist. It does. But it is a reflection of human creation. Not of something imposed upon humanity from the outside.

What do you call the Orion influence though? It seems to me that the whole economic system, having its origin in the Orion conquering empire, has been entirely IMPOSED upon the Earth by these outside forces, at least on the 3D level! Now, given, it has come through via human minds (I am not a believer of the reptilian shapeshifter theory that all the politicians are in fact physical aliens), via the occult rituals of STS beings, who contact the Orion force and label the beings they speak with as "demons" or "Lucifer" or "Satan" or whoever. They receive instruction and make it so by their own "free will" choices, but it is still the will of Orion being imposed, isn't it? Perhaps on other levels we have more of a say in the matter, but we have all been born into a system entirely established towards the ruling vision of the Orions, with assistance from the li'l Greys, if not others. However, many spiritual sources tell us that their plan is doomed to fail, due to their total lack of spiritual awareness! I believe it! But I wonder how such a mighty power can fall?

Earth's political power structure must be an As Above-So Below reflection. Makes me wonder what sort of chaos/change is occuring on the other densities..
T

[Monica]

I have a trust in my own personal path that I will be lead "where I need to be". I felt very strongly moved to "get out of the city!" back in '05-'06, and now live way out in the middle of nowhere, near Mt. Shasta. I had also read that Mt. Shasta would be a "city of light" in the New Age, but I am not so sure anymore if that wasn't some sort of disinfo. It is unclear to me anyway. But here I am, and at least I am out in the peace and quiet of nature rather than in some apartment highrise surrounded by a million people.

Sometimes, when I hear of people feeling guided to move away from the cities and become self-sufficient, I feel a twinge of worry that maybe I somehow missed the boat. Yikes! Was I supposed to have done that too? I did feel a strong interest in learning about edible weeds and stuff like that, but, looking back, I think I had a lot of fear at the time. Now, I'm just too busy! I can't seem to even think about moving out of the city...and not sure I'd even want to. I guess, for me, I still have too much work to do where I'm at.

At least I HOPE I'm hearing my own guidance correctly, and not missing the boat! Ah well. I did come here for a reason, right? I'm just going to trust that I'm doing what I'm supposed to. But I have immense respect for those who are moving out and getting self-sufficient...it does sound really cool! There's a part of me that would love living in a community with like-minded people. But then, we can't ALL do that, because then who would smile at the cashier?

I also have a strong background in studying NWO issues, and to be fair, people have been warning about FEMA camps and martial law and engineered disease outbreaks since the '80s AT LEAST. Particularly if you read old back-issues of Cosmic Awareness, you will see many times throughout the years that everything was ABOUT TO hit the fan, but then cooled off. There is a big industry out there selling survivalism gear, and if you were to take their word for it back in say '98 because of the "upcoming Y2K disasters", what sort of position would you be in now? You would have been way over-prepared about a decade too soon!

That's reassuring on the one hand, and not so much on the other. It could mean it's all just fear-mongering and none of it will happen, or that it just keeps getting postponed. I prefer to think the latter. After all, we already know that we have succeeded in averting global-scale disasters that were thought to occur in the late 80s and beyond...we've done pretty well, so far, compared to the bleak pictures painted by Nostradamus and various channelers etc. (Not to mention the conspiracy theorists!)

However, much of this current economic crisis appears to be the results of a supremely-structured, well-thought-out plan involving corporations deliberately bankrupting themselves etc, for the purpose of leading into a globalized economy/one world order. I have been reading about such concepts since the early '00s, and people have been writing about it for decades. So, I mean, from all appearances, things SEEM to be going pretty much according to plan, don't they? And the next step of the plan is apparently total enslavement and massive depopulation, with possibly a false alien invasion or appearance of some false messiah thrown in to spice things up.

I don't subscribe to that, for the simple reason that structure and harmoniously working together are not STS traits! Remember, STS is characterized by dog-eat-dog betrayal, constant vying for control, division, and chaos! I just don't think they have it all wrapped up, as they'd like us to believe. I think most of this is just fear-mongering. STS entities eat fear for breakfast! They're more interested in promoting fear - THAT is how they control! They are more interested in controlling people's minds and emotions than their physical bodies. And they are already doing that, with all this panic about a police state etc.

For a long time, I read the channeled material believing that it was giving us the tools to OVERCOME this negative future potential, and manifest the reality of unity and love. I've already written about how I did lots of energy work for many years, and affirmations of overcoming these issues, but not really feeling as though I felt things change. Now I find myself wondering if all that I've read about is simply going to come to pass after all, and that only AFTER it has come to its logical conclusion can the light then begin to reassert balance and unity, etc. I dunno! I wish I felt like I had more of a say in the situation now, but I really don't know what any of us can do. My personal priority for the past few years has been trying to network and connect with people, so that as a group we could support each other, but I haven't had much luck meeting anyone except online. I don't know any of my neighbors further than two houses away from me, and even in a town with a population of 1000, the "bad men with guns" will have all the power if our electricity is turned off and all the stores close. Yikes! I prefer not to focus on such possibilities. But it still begs the question, what does one do about this situation?

I know the feeling. I thought I had it all figured out but it didn't happen that way. Largely due to the more recent Q'uo channeled sessions, I now feel that the most important thing is to shine the light as best we can, wherever we are. Whenever I think about separating from others, faces pop into my mind...my neighbor across the street who's 80 but looks 65, a sweet little old lady, just beautiful soul! And how she has no one to talk to, so I chat with her sometimes...or my friend down the street, a sweet, Christian mom of 5, who confides in me about her marriage problems...or my best friend who lives near a military bases and works at a grocery store and would never have the means to move out of her environment, but who dazzles the grocery shoppers with her emotional intensity, her keen mind, and her radiance! And then I think about my husband's students, who adore his classes and are learning so much...and how much my husband has grown by being out there in the public, dealing with people on a daily basis, when he wasn't much of a 'people-person' when we met 26 years ago.

And then I feel ok about being where I'm at, right here, in a big city.

Ideally, I think we all need to make friends with all of our neighbors, so that we can all share skills and food-stores if the need arises. People need to aspire to self-sufficiency as much as possible, but also need to unify and organize. This seems to be much more likely in small towns with low populations. Ideally I would not even be in America. I've heard Ecuador, if I recall correctly, was really peaceful and pleasant and safe.

I know a lot of New Age -type folks are moving to Ecuador, Costa Rica, etc. I'd say that if that is where you feel drawn, then maybe that's the right place for you. Maybe those living in those places will have special roles to play at some point. At the same time, I don't think it's necessarily the highest priority for all of us to find the safe zones. The highest priority is polarizing, by doing what we can to be of service to others, as they polarize, in preparation for the Harvest.

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I am wondering if there is a benelovent reason for the FEMA camps.

What a novel idea!!! FEMA camps for benevolent purposes! I LOVE IT!!!

Actually, I had thought of something similar, in regards to the NWO. WHAT IF, just WHAT IF, the NWO is a structure that could be used for both good and bad...If used negatively, then the doom-and-gloom scenario of everyone being controlled would manifest. BUT, if used for positive, then...what would it be but a loose framework for...you guessed it...our new SMC!!!

Think about it. As in Star Trek...they were beyond countries, but had planetary alliances. Why not? Why does the NWO have to necessarily be bad?

Granted, an evil power elite could take it over and that wouldn't be cool. But who's to say the STS guys are winning? Wait a minute! Didn't Q'uo say the STS guys had FAILED in their attempted coup? Yup, they sure did! (Check out the thread in the Sessions sub-forum.)

So, what exactly are we getting all worked up about again?

The Earth is Shifting! Soon there will be a spate of earthquakes, and Tsunamis and volcanic erruptions, wildfires and floods--- Mother Earth is Birthing--- Consider these active labor contractions.

Hmmm...I'm a bit uncomfortable with your word will. That implies finality...absoluteness. But we know from the Law of One that there are many possibilities/probabilities. Widespread disasters are a possible scenario, yes, but I wouldn't say that's definitely going to happen!

the trees have stopped moving even though there is wind....

How could the trees stop moving if there's wind? What would that mean? I hadn't heard that before.

I am sure the Katrina Hurricane survivors would have dearly loved quality housing in a safe place as opposed to be put in the stadium.

So are you saying that maybe there are benevolent beings building those complexes, because they know that disasters might occur, and want to be prepared? Hmmmm...interesting idea! Sure beats concentration camps!

It is possible that the piggy flu is a cover for these soon to be manifesting natural events--- to keep the public from reacting in an irrational way.

I'm not sure I follow your connection here. How could getting everyone scared about an upcoming pandemic, and coercing them into taking toxic drugs in the guise of immunization, somehow prepare them for some natural disaster?

Speaking of the swine flu, I don't go for the idea that it's related to some sort of population control, for the simple reason that some of those seeking to control might find themselves DE-populated!! They know their vaccines don't work, so I just don't believe they'd unleash some truly dangerous virus out there that could threaten themselves and their own families. These people still have families too! Nah, I think it's just greed...drug companies just want to sell their drugs. The darkest motive I could see in that would be to keep people sick and dependent on the medical system. But I just don't see it as a global threat.

[Sirius]

A thought maybe, the thoughts of depopulation and all of these excessive(imo) claims. The creating of an evil threat enough to make humans forget thier differences. Depopulation for example may make such a thing happen, focing to work together so to speak, but then if this is the case, they would not necersarly have to do much. A few well placed "terrorist attacks" around the globe would create a similar atmosphere. I hope you can see where I am going. The 'worst case' conspiracy scenarios are probably the wrong end of the stick to same point of view.

Ultimately the 4D negative beings existence is for our own good. They produce catalyst(s) do they not?

Me, Leigh and a lot of my friends have had swine flu. It's not even bad!! 120% Overplayed by the media. As Monica mentioned, I would be much more affraid of the vaccinations the Gov't are rushing out to everybody.

Way back in the day I had strong urges to go to Canada, mostly for a girl, but at the time it was pretty much impossible for me to get to Canada, especialy in the time inbetween the ending of our relations. So these Canada aspirations took a big ebb for that, but the place has never left my mind, hopefully I'm not out of my mind for picturing Canada as a place where you can be remote and have plenty of snow. If I ever do leave England I know it will be to Canada. If I get old, etc etc I'm only 20 and I feel no rush, ZERO need to go there, but I can never really take it from my mind. What would you say to this?

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For controverseys sake I think Hidden Hand said something about San Francisco, and 2009? I might even have the place and year wrong I'll check it out, but just that one city was all he/she said.

[Monica]

For controverseys sake I think Hidden Hand said something about San Francisco, and 2009? I might even have the place and year wrong I'll check it out, but just that one city was all he/she said.

San Francisco as a safe place or a dangerous place? Many prophecies said California would have been in the ocean long ago. I tend to disregard 'prophecies' that specify dates and places as though they will definitely happen. Ra said there are no more safe places, which I interpreted to mean no place that would be deemed safe for everyone. But there are safe places for us as individuals. We each have to just tune in to what's right for us.

Regardless of where we end up, unless we never travel at all, there's still no guarantee we'll be at that place at any given time. What to do? Not travel? What if the traveling is what keeps us safe from something? We can drive ourselves nuts going round and round with this thinking.

I think if someone feels drawn to a certain place, then go for it! But do it out of a sense of love and adventure, rather than from fear.

[fairyfarmgirl]

It is possible that the piggy flu is a cover for these soon to be manifesting natural events--- to keep the public from reacting in an irrational way.

I'm not sure I follow your connection here. How could getting everyone scared about an upcoming pandemic, and coercing them into taking toxic drugs in the guise of immunization, somehow prepare them for some natural disaster?

Speaking of the swine flu, I don't go for the idea that it's related to some sort of population control, for the simple reason that some of those seeking to control might find themselves DE-populated!! They know their vaccines don't work, so I just don't believe they'd unleash some truly dangerous virus out there that could threaten themselves and their own families. These people still have families too! Nah, I think it's just greed...drug companies just want to sell their drugs. The darkest motive I could see in that would be to keep people sick and dependent on the medical system. But I just don't see it as a global threat.

When I spoke of the Piggy Flu--- I was speaking of the hype around it--- the hype and the distraction distracting us from seeing the changes that are occurring around us.

I was also pontificating--- considering unconsidered possibilities that have not been discussed. I am still in my gathering of information phase... I do not know..

And yes, Trees do stop moving and insects do stop making noise as well as the birds... the forest will become silent right before a natural disaster or large FEAR event. It is as if for a blip of a moment time stands still--- Trees can choose to not move even in the wind... they are sentient beings just as you or I are--- only their intelligence is different from ours. Consider these natural movements by nature to be our warning system to look out and get to safety. Nature by its very nature is a gentle system designed for our comfort and benefit. It is only because MAN (meaning humans) have forgotten and almost completely capitulated their God Given abilities that we as a whole do not see and interpret the messages from nature.

fairyfarmgirl

[Whitefeather]

Greetings to all,

'They' create camps because they are scared of us, the free people.
'They' create fears because they want to control us, the free people.

Are we going to let 'them'? Of course not!

The safest place is in our own heart, our inner strength.
The outside world is only a reflection of our own mind, its fears as well as its faith that everything is fine. Which of these is up to us.
On one hand we have fear, on the other hand we have peace and harmony.

‘’Which landscape are we creating for ourselves and/or which one are we choosing?’’, is the real question.

Not to believe the war/control/disease fear based media, is the strongest protection against it.

Open portals of fear will only succeed in creating out one’s own fear.

Take heart friends all over and, remember:

- What we do not see does not exist or eventually looses its strength.
- What we focus upon, we give it energy, energy to manifest.

After all, we are co-creators!
It is all in our mind.

We create daily at each instant, by our thought/feelings and, through our breathing.

Be free to choose what you want and also what you do not want.
Create your safe place in your mind and make it as friendly, safe and beautiful as you can possibly imagine. See there your friends, family and others safe and happy. And, this place will be there for you and for others! It is there already!

Keeping the light on in the dark,
Much love and light to you,
W.
9th August 2009