Winter Solstice of 2011/ Harvest approaching?

[JeiaRaManuk]

http://lightworkers.org/channeling/13114...channeling

This is one of the most prominent things out of this interview.

"The planet itself, minus the time lateral, will completely shift into fourth density at the winter solstice of 2011." -Q'uo


The interview itself, is rather long, but here is the Question for the interview: "Our question this week, Q’uo, is: Each year, for many years now, we see at least one channeled source that says, “This is the year that the big changes will happen in consciousness.” Some now say that 2007 is when this age will change instead of having to wait for the year 2012. We want to know what spiritual principles could help us look at this situation when channels get this kind of information."

Date of the Winter Solstice: Thursday, December 22, 2011

In Love and Welcoming Light,
Ra Ma

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I understand this part of the phrase, "minus the time lateral," as not counting the time for all the adjustments which will probably go well into 2012. I'm guessing in a year time, on dec 21/22nd, there will be no more denial of the change, because it will be visually visible to ALL.

[Oceania]

how can we trust this? Q'uo is notoriously fuzzy. it's too soon, i thought we had a year. :/

[AnthroHeart]

Are we still on time lateral? I hold a very positive view of the upcoming changes. I will do my best to radiate love.

[Conifer16]

So your saying that the harvest/whatever you call it will happen this solstice and people will still be able to ignore it till 2012 solstice where it will by then be too obvious to ignore and the planet will have to acknowledge that something is different and will try to figure it out? That's what it sounds like to me and that is similar to what I have been thinking for a while now,that harvest will happen and few will feel it and we will just continue on in our incarnation untill we die however that is and over time it will become physicaly obvious that harvest happened though most will not know what it is that happened. It is hard to put my thoughts onto paper(so to speak)

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

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I would think that some would call it evolution because harvest for me will include greater sense of oneness among all of us and so telepathy will become common in a few decades.

[JeiaRaManuk]

how can we trust this? Q'uo is notoriously fuzzy. it's too soon, i thought we had a year. :/

Well aren't we all fuzzy when it comes to validity
And about 2012: this is why I said, by that date, dec 21 2012 everything will come into fruition.

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So your saying that the harvest/whatever you call it will happen this solstice and people will still be able to ignore it till 2012 solstice where it will by then be too obvious to ignore and the planet will have to acknowledge that something is different and will try to figure it out? That's what it sounds like to me and that is similar to what I have been thinking for a while now,that harvest will happen and few will feel it and we will just continue on in our incarnation untill we die however that is and over time it will become physicaly obvious that harvest happened though most will not know what it is that happened. It is hard to put my thoughts onto paper(so to speak)

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

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I would think that some would call it evolution because harvest for me will include greater sense of oneness among all of us and so telepathy will become common in a few decades.

Yes Conifer16, you are on the right path!
And I am not saying anything, lol, just passing the word along!
You are very correct in your perception! All you say is truly resonant!
Physical death is required for ascension, but it will be more like evolution; kind of like shedding the old skin. The energy to guide us through this process is coming from the Great Logos; the center of our galaxy. It comes in waves. Many waves already hit us since '98 ish but the big ones will be rolling in next, at the end of 2011 and at the end of 2012 will be the major ones which will code our DNA into the new format, which those that are READY for 4th density experience will be born into these new bodies, after the end of the ones we occupy now. Those not ready, will continue their 3d journey somewhere else, with the veil of forgetfulness still in effect.

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HERE IS THE SESSION IN THE ARCHIVE AT L/L Research:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0211.aspx

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Here Conifer16,

From the same passage:

"This work has enabled this planet to have the added physical space/time for those entities within incarnation at this time to come to harvest on their own and also in order to give entities who graduated early the opportunity to come back into this planetary environment you call Earth and help accelerate the shift in consciousness."

So, as I said, you were well on track in your perception!

[AnthroHeart]

I'm so glad that all of Earth is going into 4D, instead of splitting into 3D and 4D variants. Makes it much more comforting not having to guess which "Earth" I'm on.

[godwide_void]

So then, the time-frame when there will be noticeable 4D phenomenon/changes occurring (perhaps more noticeable to those who are a bit more sensitive/perceptive to etheric energies) will truly become very apparent in a couple of weeks time?

I deeply respect and rely on the words of Ra as well as Q'uo, despite Ra's words having made mention of the Earth undergoing this monolithic spiritual change in the 1980's, and predicted for 30 years later (this year), I can personally perceive that the reality I am in now is VERY different than the reality I was in, say, 2005 (hell, even earlier this year!), and it is due to my personal observation of changes heralded by their words upon my own consciousness that they have ascertained undeniable credibility in my mind. This entire year has been a very special one. We will have to wait and see what the near future shall bring...

[fr33d0m]

So then, the time-frame when there will be noticeable 4D phenomenon/changes occurring (perhaps more noticeable to those who are a bit more sensitive/perceptive to etheric energies) will truly become very apparent in a couple of weeks time?

I deeply respect and rely on the words of Ra as well as Q'uo, despite Ra's words having made mention of the Earth undergoing this monolithic spiritual change in the 1980's, and predicted for 30 years later (this year), I can personally perceive that the reality I am in now is VERY different than the reality I was in, say, 2005 (hell, even earlier this year!), and it is due to my personal observation of changes heralded by their words upon my own consciousness that they have ascertained undeniable credibility in my mind. This entire year has been a very special one. We will have to wait and see what the near future shall bring...

I'm so excited I'm wiggling in my chair. So hard to sit still this close to the finale!

[AnthroHeart]

I can attest to a different feeling GV now as opposed to even a couple months ago. I notice more the nature of catalyst, and see synchronicites in life. Today I must say I feel much more love than I have before. I had to get through some rough times to get here though. Been through my dark night of the soul a few times over.

I'm at peace now because I've stopped seeking. I now am in a state of being. I think my knowledge of the Law of One put me on this timeline I'm on now.

So can we be in 4D without having a full 4D electrical body? Our body will still be 3D, right? Or is the 3D physical appearance just an illusion and we're really 4D bodies?

[Observer]

I have learned much in the last few weeks, I have changed much and I have felt much, but one thing that resonates with me most is that we will all be connected very soon, all of us one, and all of us without fear. I look forward to seeing all of you very soon.

[turtledude23]

I've been feeling accelerated changes these past few weeks, it could be placebo, but I think Q'uo and Ra's original prediction may be right.

how can we trust this? Q'uo is notoriously fuzzy. it's too soon, i thought we had a year. :/

How can we trust the mayan calendar? Q'uo and Ra both said 2011, the Mayan calendar happens to end a year after the date they predicted but so what? It's just a calendar, there's no obvious message behind it, it could mean anything, it could be made up. Q'uo and Ra could be wrong too of course but if I'm going to have blind, evidence-less faith in something I'll stick to the sources that have proved to be most true more than any other sources.

[zenmaster]

I don't doubt that selves not being hidden from self or other selves will be more overt in the next few decades though, along with the psychic dual-activated people. That 'revelation' is a good kick-in-the-pants/backed-into-a-corner thing to many that have so far been ignoring catalyst - the ultimate justice. I will trust that 'what is' becomes more and more available to one's perception, and anticipate something similar to Don's idea "Their seeking will increase because they will become more aware of the creation as it is and as it is opposed, I might say, to the creation of man. Their orientation and their thinking will be, by catalyst of a unique nature, reoriented to thinking of more basic concepts, shall I say."

Connected 'soon'? Q'uo said, what 1 million years for SMC formation?

[Sagittarius]

The harvest is just the beginning I feel. I feel this period will bump a selection of us up to embrace the 4d energy, the large majority will take longer but this is the reason for the select fews incarnation and there early awakening.

By select few I mean us as in the few who have a greater understanding. 2012 will be the year I feel and hope we can show ourselves for who we truly are.

This is all just conjecture and attempts at translating the catalysts we are receiving but the fact that I have learnt more in past 3 months then I have in 19 years tells me thing are speeding up. It seams we are all experiencing these revelations so the only question remains is to what end.

One thing I do know is 2012 will change me forever.

[godwide_void]

So then, the time-frame when there will be noticeable 4D phenomenon/changes occurring (perhaps more noticeable to those who are a bit more sensitive/perceptive to etheric energies) will truly become very apparent in a couple of weeks time?

I deeply respect and rely on the words of Ra as well as Q'uo, despite Ra's words having made mention of the Earth undergoing this monolithic spiritual change in the 1980's, and predicted for 30 years later (this year), I can personally perceive that the reality I am in now is VERY different than the reality I was in, say, 2005 (hell, even earlier this year!), and it is due to my personal observation of changes heralded by their words upon my own consciousness that they have ascertained undeniable credibility in my mind. This entire year has been a very special one. We will have to wait and see what the near future shall bring...

I'm so excited I'm wiggling in my chair. So hard to sit still this close to the finale!

I'm right there with you, brother! It's a bit odd living in a 3D life when you are entirely well aware of the true nature of your existence. When you begin to understand, acknowledge, comprehend, and perceive the everlasting etheric waltz that you are locked in with the Creator it becomes almost as though every moment you experience is and was meant to happen, and deja vu becomes a common occurrence, and within you resurges a power with causes you to feel utterly at peace and connected to the world you live in, and existence no longer becomes an exclusively externalized or internal phenomenon... no, you dissipate into the akashic flow and bask in the unending majesty of the One Infinite Creator.

Stand tall and shake the heavens, and ye shall be as gods...

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I can attest to a different feeling GV now as opposed to even a couple months ago. I notice more the nature of catalyst, and see synchronicites in life. Today I must say I feel much more love than I have before. I had to get through some rough times to get here though. Been through my dark night of the soul a few times over.

I'm at peace now because I've stopped seeking. I now am in a state of being. I think my knowledge of the Law of One put me on this timeline I'm on now.

So can we be in 4D without having a full 4D electrical body? Our body will still be 3D, right? Or is the 3D physical appearance just an illusion and we're really 4D bodies?

I agree with all you have said, and I too have been able to pick up on and recognize the lessons and meanings behind the various catalysts and synchronicities I have been experiencing.

I will see you on the other side of the veil, my furry friend.

[Namaste]

It is indeed so that all mind/body/spirit complexes shall die to the third-density illusion; that is, that each yellow-ray physical-complex body shall cease to be viable.

The harvest takes place in time/space upon physical death.

Unless we all get wiped out by a global crisis this December, I would advise to live your life as normal and treat any date prophesying the harvest/ascension as information, rather than fact :¬)

[zenmaster]

Ra does talk about the 'quantum leap' in the time frame of years. The vibration has been 'green' for awhile, the '4D matter', however has not been as available as possible, forming as it will under the direction of the local logos, due to societal thought. But apparently, you can only hold off the inevitable for so long.

"40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."

I don't think the 'final movement' 'over the boundary' to the 'discrete placement' has happened yet.

Harvest is a time/space process, but the effect of instreaming 'green-ray energies' and associated self-reflective catalyst is also a space/time phenomenon. Harvest after death, at the end of the cycle, is due to the local conditions simply no longer being suitable for 3D learning - you can't process certain catalyst, become aware of yourself and others through self-determination, without the veiling in such a (incipient) transparent environment.

[fr33d0m]

Ra does talk about the 'quantum leap' in the time frame of years. The vibration has been 'green' for awhile, the '4D matter', however has not been as available as possible, forming as it will under the direction of the local logos, due to societal thought. But apparently, you can only hold off the inevitable for so long.

"40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."

I don't think the 'final movement' 'over the boundary' to the 'discrete placement' has happened yet.

Harvest is a time/space process, but the effect of instreaming 'green-ray energies' and associated self-reflective catalyst is also a space/time phenomenon. Harvest after death, at the end of the cycle, is due to the local conditions simply no longer being suitable for 3D learning - you can't process certain catalyst, become aware of yourself and others through self-determination, without the veiling in such a (incipient) transparent environment.

Mind-blown, once again. Thanks, Zen!

[Namaste]

The fact that Earth is moving to fourth density doesn't mean the third density beings are going to shift also. It means she supports both third and fourth density. Densities exist in parallel. Third density beings will incarnate in fourth density upon the harvest (death). Third density on this planet will gradually phase out, with only those incarnating here in the last 100 to 700 years in which to work through karmic lessons.

Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

The in-streamings of green vibrations are those that pull entities from third, to the mindset of fourth - preparing them for the shift. It's not the actual process of ascension (walking the steps of light).

Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level.

Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation. Again, Ra talks of death as the vehicle between densities. Quite clearly.

Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

[Oceania]

but it's almost next year. it's so weird.

[zenmaster]

Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation.

But it seems that it could very well do that, considering it's given as a relatively brief time and precise period of 'leading up to'. Again, the quantum leap to which Ra refers is a jump promoting locally available material, due to the relative intensity of space/time 'green' vs 'yellow/orange'. This is not 'full activation', it is part of the transitional period where more and more green material eventually creates a solid planetary sphere. That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

[Tenet Nosce]

I am not aware of anything in the transcripts that counters the view that some people will be living simultaneous existences in both worlds. For example, what if a person could go into meditation, and pop through to their 4D body on the other side, hang out for a while, then come back?

As for "superhuman powers" I would say: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's. 4D abilities are for 4D entities in a 4D world. 3D entities openly displaying 4D "godlike" abilities sounds related to the "entities from fifth density on the service-to-self path that are attempting a coup".

As far as I have been able to discern, the doctrine of eternal life is an STO teaching, while attainment of physical immortality is an STS objective.

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That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

My understanding is that the 4D sphere is already completed and inhabitable.

[Conifer16]

What of more visible Exspresion of the 4th density abilities we already express in small ways? Like telepathy. Do you feel that something like that will Happen?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

[Tenet Nosce]

What of more visible Exspresion of the 4th density abilities we already express in small ways? Like telepathy. Do you feel that something like that will Happen?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

What do you mean by telepathy?

[Conifer16]

Hmm... Good question

Um

Noticing our connection to one another
Not just mentally but emotionally
Conscious communication with others through emotions and thought.

Like the vibrations of 4th density showing us this side of ourselves.

Something like that. It is hard to put into words. I guess it would be termed greater awareness of being aware of being one.

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

[zenmaster]

That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

My understanding is that the 4D sphere is already completed and inhabitable.

Why is that?

[Sagittarius]

Hmm... Good question

Um

Noticing our connection to one another
Not just mentally but emotionally
Conscious communication with others through emotions and thought.

Like the vibrations of 4th density showing us this side of ourselves.

Something like that. It is hard to put into words. I guess it would be termed greater awareness of being aware of being one.

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

I believe we will all learn how access and use the earth consciousness. By this I mean generally telepathy between us humans.

This is mentioned in the lyricus/wingmakers teachings.

[zenmaster]

What of more visible Exspresion of the 4th density abilities we already express in small ways? Like telepathy. Do you feel that something like that will Happen?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

'Telepathy' is already possible when two or more individuals have the ability. You can communicate with that method in astral form or even in 3D body. How that telepathy works is different for a 4D body, however, due to the mind being astronomically more capable.

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As far as I have been able to discern, the doctrine of eternal life is an STO teaching, while attainment of physical immortality is an STS objective.

The polarized STS in 3D would undoubtedly see past such physical, stereotypical, limitations, being able to see what is provided by 'intelligent infinity' (which obviously transcends the physical convention). And the polarized STO would not subscribe to 'doctrine' when 'faith' is available.

[Conifer16]

I know it already happens. Note that I said expressing itself more visibly. What I mean is that it will become more common ,right away,over time I don't know, and easier to notice by the mojority of people. I was wondering if tenet Nosce felt this to be what will happen. And I thought it was understood that 4th density telepathy is more of a feeling one with the other and exchanging more then Just thougt or feeling but the full self?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

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Am I right about the general idea? Because I keep hearing it explained that way(4th density telepathy) all over.

[Namaste]

Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation.

But it seems that it could very well do that, considering it's given as a relatively brief time and precise period of 'leading up to'. Again, the quantum leap to which Ra refers is a jump promoting locally available material, due to the relative intensity of space/time 'green' vs 'yellow/orange'. This is not 'full activation', it is part of the transitional period where more and more green material eventually creates a solid planetary sphere. That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

Indeed, it's entirely possible. The point was to highlight that it's one's own distortion/interpretation of Ra's words to assume we'll reach 4th density during this incarnation, via transition.

Third and fourth density now co-inhabit the same sphere (3D is ending, 4D is beginning (without getting into the eternal now)). Ra unequivocally states transitioning between them is upon physical death...

Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

In time/space we walk the steps of light to see where we fit - "placed in the correct true color locus". The next incarnation is in the appropriate density.

Whether we draw in more and more fourth density energy post 2012 (i.e. thinner veil, heightened ESP etc.) is another discussion. One in which I expect to be the case.

[zenmaster]

Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation.

But it seems that it could very well do that, considering it's given as a relatively brief time and precise period of 'leading up to'. Again, the quantum leap to which Ra refers is a jump promoting locally available material, due to the relative intensity of space/time 'green' vs 'yellow/orange'. This is not 'full activation', it is part of the transitional period where more and more green material eventually creates a solid planetary sphere. That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

Indeed, it's entirely possible. The point was to highlight that it's one's own distortion/interpretation of Ra's words to assume we'll reach 4th density during this incarnation, via transition.

The point of harvest is the new body, yes. 4th density, distinguished from 3rd is about that new body and mind and the awareness which that provides. That 4D broader-view, or even 3D-4D broader view is about learning. Such learning is shared and part of evolution to 4D-ness. AFAIK, the instreaming 'material' in time/space is also what allows that learning to be shared from personal 4D mind to collective 4D mind. In space/time (locally) that material is what forms the 4D body.

Third and fourth density now co-inhabit the same sphere (3D is ending, 4D is beginning (without getting into the eternal now)). Ra unequivocally states transitioning between them is upon physical death...

Yes, yes...