Waking up "out of body"

[Bring4th_Austin]

So I've been experiencing something I'm not used to, I thought I'd share and see if anyone might be able to offer some insight.

I've never dabbled in any sort of "out of body" experience, I've never been interested. I've had some slightly interesting experiences during meditation and have experienced mildly paranormal happenings randomly in my life, but nothing quite like this.

The first time it happened, I was having a very intense dream. At this particular point in the dream, I was having a conversation about our STS 4D friends who greet us from time to time. In the middle of this conversation, the person yelled, "SEE THEM!" At that point, I shot straight up in my bed, thinking I was awake. I saw a "figure" (very vague, undefined, and quick) rush by me. I noticed in the very center of my vision a very small morphing black symbol. It looked almost like a tangled mess of black lines, the lines moving individually in an odd pattern. I thought I was awake this entire time, though I felt very out of, as if I were still dreaming. I could look around my room, and everything was in place. I got a sudden jolt of fear, which shook me enough to actually wake me up.

Since then it has happened a couple times, without the moving figure. Most recently, I became lucid within my dream, which was taking place in my house. So within the dream, I went to my bed and laid down, and started trying to wake up. I was struggling, and I wasn't waking up, till eventually I slowly gained consciousness in what felt like a waking state. But again, I was very out of it, and again there was a tiny black symbol in the center of my vision. This time the lines were not tangled, though they weren't straight. They were morphing the same as before, this time without being mixed up. I realized I wasn't actually awake, looked down and saw myself, looked around a little bit, and then successfully tried to force myself to a real waking state.


I'm interested to see if anyone else has experienced anything like this? Particularly the "waking up out of body," or possibly has some insight on the "symbols" I saw?

This has happened three times the past two weeks, and I'm having trouble making sense of it. I really don't care to ever go out of body, but it is now happening without my "permission."

Any thoughts?

[kia]

It sounds like sleep paralysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

I got it once. My whole body was paralyzed but I could open my eyes and looked around my room. I tried to open my mouth but I couldn´t. This was what shocked me the most. I had to fight hard to wake up properly. It only must have lasted seconds but seemed longer.

[Bring4th_Austin]

It sounds like sleep paralysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

I got it once. My whole body was paralyzed but I could open my eyes and looked around my room. I tried to open my mouth but I couldn´t. This was what shocked me the most. I had to fight hard to wake up properly. It only must have lasted seconds but seemed longer.

I experience sleep paralysis sometimes, this wasn't it. I wasn't paralyzed...I could "move," I "sat up," looked around, and I was able to look at myself laying down.

When I experience sleep paralysis, I normally go back to sleep before I can wake up. Sometimes I do feel like there is something/somebody there with me, but it's more of a feeling of a presence. I've gotten used to sleep paralysis, I have periods where it is common in my life. This one particular time I didn't "feel" any presence...I just saw whatever it was moving. And whatever the symbols were I saw, I have never seen them before.


Thanks for the suggestion though Kia.

[Focus123]

Have experienced waking up or thought I was up and being out of body. I guess I would ask why does this not interest you ? At some level it must be important or I don't think it would be happening. At the Monroe Institute they have a saying, just go with the flow . What you need to experience you will- for you own personal growth. Maybe before going to bed ask your higher self for clarification. Of course the black figure could be many things including abduction.

[Crown]

This has happened three times the past two weeks, and I'm having trouble making sense of it. I really don't care to ever go out of body, but it is now happening without my "permission."

Any thoughts?

Maybe your concious "permission" is different than your unconcious "permission". I would say that this most probably is the case.

You should research astral projection and out of body travel / experiences and try to improve your ability. I think that it is happening to you without a concious permission just because you are subconciously built for these kind of things. Or maybe you have a some sort of tendency to these incidents, coming from a past life possibly.


Good luck. I am sure you will reach the stars.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Have experienced waking up or thought I was up and being out of body. I guess I would ask why does this not interest you ? At some level it must be important or I don't think it would be happening. At the Monroe Institute they have a saying, just go with the flow . What you need to experience you will- for you own personal growth. Maybe before going to bed ask your higher self for clarification. Of course the black figure could be many things including abduction.

I don't really have any control over what genuinely interests me. I find the concept interesting, but as far as exploring the phenomenon itself, I've just never felt the desire to actually try to practice it. On top of that, I just don't have the time to explore or learn about what is happening now. I'm busier than I've ever been in my life and I feel like taking advantage of an out of body experience requires a bit of practice and discipline which I just don't have the energy for right now.


Last time I went to bed asking for clarification, it happened up my waking . I guess that means something...

Thank you for the words, "what you need to experience you will for your own personal growth." I will have to consider that in contemplating what I've been experiencing.

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This has happened three times the past two weeks, and I'm having trouble making sense of it. I really don't care to ever go out of body, but it is now happening without my "permission."

Any thoughts?

Maybe your concious "permission" is different than your unconcious "permission". I would say that this most probably is the case.

You should research astral projection and out of body travel / experiences and try to improve your ability. I think that it is happening to you without a concious permission just because you are subconciously built for these kind of things. Or maybe you have a some sort of tendency to these incidents, coming from a past life possibly.


Good luck. I am sure you will reach the stars.

I would like to think that my conscious permissions and unconscious permissions are somewhat in-line, but I guess there's no real way I could know that, eh? I do still have a personality which could be blocking these permissions from being apparent to me. I've always tried my hardest to be genuine in my interests and excitements, and follow the path I felt was the best path for me to take using guidance from my higher self. No where along the way was it suggested to me that I experience an out of body experience or pursue it.

That is an interesting concept that it is happening because I am subconsciously wired for it; sort of like how Carla had the innate ability to involuntarily go into trance for the Ra contact, which was supposedly a preincarnative agreement.

Thank you. Maybe next time it happens I will literally reach for the stars and see what happens

[Amara]

lots of good advice here ... I've experienced similar and it's disturbing, but I don't take it lightly. Also, you're coming out of it with good memory, so that's significant. I've had premonition type experiences while half out of the body, lucid 'dreaming' that I didn't realize were such until I experienced it in 3D. Also, experience people in my room from time to time what run in waves. And yes, symbols, although I don't come out of it with a clear picture of them.

Is there any way to make a picture of the symbol you're seeing available to us?

I don't think you should feel an obligation to grab onto this, and turn it into anything, but you may want to consider seeing it as a gift, even if it's inconvenient.

Also, just for consideration, I'm a hearing little bit of 'victim' in how you're conveying your experience and what I think was a freudian slip with regard to Carla's experience ... you said 'involuntarily' instead of 'voluntarily', as if she were trancing against her will ... you may want to look at that. I don't know as much as most here about her experience, but that just came off odd to me. If it was easy for her to slip into trance, that doesn't equal against her will.

Would love to see that symbol!

Offered in love ...

[Nyu]

I get sleep paralysis very often, and have even (with a lot of effort, a LOT) managed to crawl away from my body, but even though I was away from my body when I actually woke I was back in it like nothing was amiss. So definitely sounds like an astral experience, if you can get it to happen again try getting up and exploring..

[Bring4th_Austin]

Is there any way to make a picture of the symbol you're seeing available to us?

These are very rough depictions. Symbol is a term I use pretty loosely, they don't seem to "represent" anything, they seem rather random, but they are very very distinct, directly in the middle of my vision, and they are animated.

The first two times, I saw something along the lines of this:


All of the lines were moving, sort of twisting and tangling while keeping their distinct angles and corners.

The most recent time I saw this:


They were no longer tangles but they still moved, sort of waving up and down.

They were very distinctly black and pretty small, about the size of my thumbnail if I hold my hand out all the way in front of me. They seem rather random and pointless but it's hard for me to think that they didn't mean something, considering they were so distinct and appeared every time this happened.

Also, just for consideration, I'm a hearing little bit of 'victim' in how you're conveying your experience and what I think was a freudian slip with regard to Carla's experience ... you said 'involuntarily' instead of 'voluntarily', as if she were trancing against her will ... you may want to look at that.

You're right, involuntarily may not be the right word, but the terminology is actually taken straight from Jim's foreward in Book V of the Law of One:

But in the Ra contact she involuntarily went into trance, and could not tune in
that way, so we were glad when, at the end of the second session, Ra gave us
the ritual of walking the Circle of One to replace the challenging procedure
used in telepathic channeling since in all sessions after the first two Carla
was immediately in the trance state, out of her body, and unaware of any
activity whatsoever. None of us ever discovered how she was able to
accomplish this trance state and the leaving of her body. It was apparently a
pre-incarnatively chosen ability chosen to aid in the contact with Ra. Our
meditation before each session was our group process of tuning.

I think what he means by involuntarily is the fact that she didn't have to try to go into trance with any sort of method. All she had to do was request Ra, and she would slip into trance.



Also I can see where you are getting a victim tone from my explanations. I don't necessarily feel like a victim, it just feels odd to me that this is happening to me without any sort of conscious request or thought. Maybe the fact that I don't feel like I have the time it would take to understand this right now is adding to the perception that this isn't something I really want to experience right now. However, thank you for reminding me that I should not look at this as something that is imposed upon me.

[zenmaster]

I've had similar stuff occur. The astral "body" state is typically maintained in an altered state of consciousness that doesn't tend to posses the same faculties of awareness associated with the waking state. Things are a little off, such as sense of time and attention to overall context. When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

[Bring4th_Austin]

When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

It's as if it were part of the conversation I was having in the dream. This person was explaining the intent and purpose of 4D negative entities, and pretty abruptly yelled that. In my perception, as far as the dream goes, it was audible...but it was definitely part of the dream.

[zenmaster]

When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

It's as if it were part of the conversation I was having in the dream. This person was explaining the intent and purpose of 4D negative entities, and pretty abruptly yelled that. In my perception, as far as the dream goes, it was audible...but it was definitely part of the dream.

In the dream, were the surroundings particularly dark, as if you were talking to this person in a "void"? If not, what did the surroundings look like?

[SomaticDreams]

This is fascinating to me, if you could please expand on your experience, I'd be very interested in knowing how you felt during this experience and the amount of control you felt you had in the dream, in terms of controlling the experience itself. I had a similar experience where I 'popped' into another realm, fully aware of it. It was a dark forest, but as the dream progressed, I flew over a land of beautiful majesty at dusk. Incredibly large mountains and exotic foliage that was extra-terrestrial (in the literal meaning of the word)- I flew over this land for a while and eventually it became difficult to fly, so I realized it meant I had to 'return'. I closed my eyes and gently fell back towards the surface, knowing that I was safe, and would return to my body. This was not astral travel, but something else, I think. No silver cord during this experience. It was like I jumped into another body, but it was still "me". I had a feeling this is almost similar to what happened to you, but with different circumstances. I did not see any symbols that were visual. I did however, wake up, and as soon as I did, it was pouring out (one of those instant down-pours), and it thundered and boomed very loudly over my girlfriend's house at which I was staying at. Perhaps I got a different type of symbol...either way the experience was powerful.

Thank you so much for sharing. Peace, love and light to you my friend.

When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

It's as if it were part of the conversation I was having in the dream. This person was explaining the intent and purpose of 4D negative entities, and pretty abruptly yelled that. In my perception, as far as the dream goes, it was audible...but it was definitely part of the dream.

[Bring4th_Austin]

When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

It's as if it were part of the conversation I was having in the dream. This person was explaining the intent and purpose of 4D negative entities, and pretty abruptly yelled that. In my perception, as far as the dream goes, it was audible...but it was definitely part of the dream.

In the dream, were the surroundings particularly dark, as if you were talking to this person in a "void"? If not, what did the surroundings look like?

I wouldn't say they were dark, but they were particularly undefined. It wasn't like a specific place, especially not a familiar place. I'd actually say void is a good word to describe it, though it wasn't a dark void...just no real surroundings at all.

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This is fascinating to me, if you could please expand on your experience, I'd be very interested in knowing how you felt during this experience and the amount of control you felt you had in the dream, in terms of controlling the experience itself.

The initial dream during the first experience wasn't what I would consider lucid, but it wasn't an eventful dream. The conversation flowed as if I were normally talking, but I don't think I consciously guided my words.

As far as how I felt...basically like I feel the second I wake up, except that haziness wasn't shaking. I felt like I was awake but like something wasn't quite right. I noticed the undistinguished figure sort of rush by me to my right, disappear through my door, and then I noticed the black lines moving in the center of my vision. I had an unexplained sudden jolt of fear, which isn't very common for me. The fear was similar to when I used to have nightmares. Then, I went from sitting up in my bed observing to laying down in my bed opening my eyes again seamlessly, which at that point I realized this was either a crazy weird dream or some sort of out of body experience, I didn't expect it to happen again.

The other two times were similar, except there was no undistinguished figure racing by me, and no fear jolting me out of it. I looked around my room and realized I wasn't really awake, would see the black lines in my vision, looked down at myself sleeping, and forced myself to actually wake up.

As far as control during the experiences, I felt like I had decent control, but I wasn't driven by my normal waking motives...that's the best way I can describe it.

I had a similar experience where I 'popped' into another realm, fully aware of it. It was a dark forest, but as the dream progressed, I flew over a land of beautiful majesty at dusk. Incredibly large mountains and exotic foliage that was extra-terrestrial (in the literal meaning of the word)- I flew over this land for a while and eventually it became difficult to fly, so I realized it meant I had to 'return'. I closed my eyes and gently fell back towards the surface, knowing that I was safe, and would return to my body. This was not astral travel, but something else, I think. No silver cord during this experience. It was like I jumped into another body, but it was still "me". I had a feeling this is almost similar to what happened to you, but with different circumstances. I did not see any symbols that were visual. I did however, wake up, and as soon as I did, it was pouring out (one of those instant down-pours), and it thundered and boomed very loudly over my girlfriend's house at which I was staying at. Perhaps I got a different type of symbol...either way the experience was powerful.

Thank you so much for sharing. Peace, love and light to you my friend.

Your experience sounds beautiful and amazing, but rather dissimilar to mine. I was there in my room, able to observe my room and even my own body. I didn't get to see any amazing landscapes or anything. Just myself laying there motionless...rather boring compared to your's. Thank you for sharing.

[SomaticDreams]

To relate to your story more closely, an experience I had a few years ago;

I had woken up in the winter early morning, I had no idea what "time" it was, as I do not keep clocks or time keeping devices in my bedroom (as a matter of preference/discipline). I had this 'hazy feeling' but could not shake it off. It was not sleep paralysis however, as I, like you, could move my head, arms, my entire body. I got up and looked around, and I didn't see anything. Something did however, feel off...it was subtle however. I laid back down, put my blankets over my body, and then decided I wanted to keep my arms out, as it was too hot with my arms under the blanket. As my left arm extended over my bed (it's a twin, and I'm rather large, at 73 inches tall, about 220lbs) I felt what seemed like cool, smooth skin- or perhaps something like latex but smoother...it was very supple. It just hit my fingers on the outside, I just brushed something. In a startle, I looked to my left and saw an alien like figure. I think I saw this for perhaps less than a second. Whatever being was there simply disappeared, looked like teleportation, or changing frequencies....whatever it did, it was instantly gone. I scrambled to my lamp, turned it on, my heart racing...I still did not feel 'awake'. Even worse, my father came into my room (he saw my light come on, and he has insomnia) and said "you alright?" Which just struck me as odd at that moment. I was speechless, and finally muttered that I had a bad dream.

Although I did not have an out of body experience as you did, I did share this hazy feeling, and the lack of signs indicating sleep paralysis. This experience led me to read a lot on "abovetopsecret", finding the "hidden_hand" material, then leading me to the Ra material...perhaps it was a reminder for me to find my way home. This experience was before my catalyst experience in which I had fully gone towards seeking, and awakening to wandering.

Thank you for your reply, and creating time to share our experiences together. Love and light to you my good friend.

[Brittany]

I had one experience which I still remember very acutely in which, during a dream, I felt myself to be taken to a 6D dimension where I was being instructed on how to be a channel (this was back when I first started learning to channel). The experience itself was beyond words and I can scarcely comprehend it with my waking mind, but I remember a point where I felt this huge energy surging up within me, and felt my own energy body "opening up" and apparently I was about to let a really powerful vibration/entity into my body in order to channel them. Then I heard a knock on my door and woke up- outside my body. I sort of "fell" back into myself, but it didn't really feel right. For a few moments everything was very uncomfortable. Oddly enough, no one was home, so I don't know who knocked on the bedroom door.

After that I had several more dreams where I wound up outside my body. I remember one morning waking up, crashing back into myself, and staring at my hands and having no idea what they were there for or what I was supposed to do with them. They felt very heavy and strange. I had to sort of "slide" my way back into human thinking to realize "Oh, those are hands."

It seems like the best way to operate is to gradually, gently sort of crawl back into yourself. Carla mentioned a "spiral" to me once...like, you just sort of curl up and spiral back into yourself. Fortunately I've never had the experience where I was not able to get back into my body when I tried.

I have no idea what the black line things were. The first thing that popped into my head was it seems like that is what a chakra blockage might look like if it could be seen by the human eye. It seems like a big tangle...of thoughts? Emotions? Or maybe it was some sort of being, but I've never had a similar experience. I've seen huge black shadows, but no line balls. :-/

[unity100]

So I've been experiencing something I'm not used to, I thought I'd share and see if anyone might be able to offer some insight.

I've never dabbled in any sort of "out of body" experience, I've never been interested. I've had some slightly interesting experiences during meditation and have experienced mildly paranormal happenings randomly in my life, but nothing quite like this.

The first time it happened, I was having a very intense dream. At this particular point in the dream, I was having a conversation about our STS 4D friends who greet us from time to time. In the middle of this conversation, the person yelled, "SEE THEM!" At that point, I shot straight up in my bed, thinking I was awake. I saw a "figure" (very vague, undefined, and quick) rush by me. I noticed in the very center of my vision a very small morphing black symbol. It looked almost like a tangled mess of black lines, the lines moving individually in an odd pattern. I thought I was awake this entire time, though I felt very out of, as if I were still dreaming. I could look around my room, and everything was in place. I got a sudden jolt of fear, which shook me enough to actually wake me up.

Since then it has happened a couple times, without the moving figure. Most recently, I became lucid within my dream, which was taking place in my house. So within the dream, I went to my bed and laid down, and started trying to wake up. I was struggling, and I wasn't waking up, till eventually I slowly gained consciousness in what felt like a waking state. But again, I was very out of it, and again there was a tiny black symbol in the center of my vision. This time the lines were not tangled, though they weren't straight. They were morphing the same as before, this time without being mixed up. I realized I wasn't actually awake, looked down and saw myself, looked around a little bit, and then successfully tried to force myself to a real waking state.


I'm interested to see if anyone else has experienced anything like this? Particularly the "waking up out of body," or possibly has some insight on the "symbols" I saw?

This has happened three times the past two weeks, and I'm having trouble making sense of it. I really don't care to ever go out of body, but it is now happening without my "permission."

Any thoughts?

the deepening parts of the 4th night of the mayan 9th wave. negative spectrum was active in the night of the 4th.

i had a lot of pressure and various 'interactions' myself.

should subside with the advent of the day though.

I've had similar stuff occur. The astral "body" state is typically maintained in an altered state of consciousness that doesn't tend to posses the same faculties of awareness associated with the waking state. Things are a little off, such as sense of time and attention to overall context. When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

entity in astral body would be much more apt and capable with handling paranormal or 4d phenomenon however.

[@ndy]

For me lucidity and false awakenings go together - when I started to have more lucid dreams they started with false awakenings, I'd often find myself waking up for the 4th time, going down stairs... realising something was amiss and I was still asleep and then wake up again.

I guess as you gain more confidence and you realise your aware and asleep - then you can start to play with the experience a bit more.

Anyway, I thought I'd share this as I was chatting to a local friend just yesterday about this

She was telling me of when she was a teenager and her lucid dreams started - how she would see 'entities' she wasn't sure about.
She'd met some Gnostic Christians - and they had chatted.
The Christian guy had told her to challenge the entities by holding out her hand and shouting 'By the power of the Christ - Leave'

The next time she experienced an entity in a dream, she did as the bloke had suggested held up her hand and bellowed 'By The Power of the Christ Leave'

She said all of a sudden there was this hysterical laughing from behind here were one of her guides appeared - barely able to control themselves and asking wtf she was doing

They then went on to remind her that she 'knew' she was always safe

[Meerie]

Is there any way to make a picture of the symbol you're seeing available to us?

These are very rough depictions. Symbol is a term I use pretty loosely, they don't seem to "represent" anything, they seem rather random, but they are very very distinct, directly in the middle of my vision, and they are animated.

The first two times, I saw something along the lines of this:


All of the lines were moving, sort of twisting and tangling while keeping their distinct angles and corners.

The most recent time I saw this:


They were no longer tangles but they still moved, sort of waving up and down.

They were very distinctly black and pretty small, about the size of my thumbnail if I hold my hand out all the way in front of me. They seem rather random and pointless but it's hard for me to think that they didn't mean something, considering they were so distinct and appeared every time this happened.

Austin, I just got the impression that the first symbol then rearranged and formed the more orderly waving up and down form in the second symbol.
I think the second symbol is also seen in some of the Egyptian hieroglyphs.
http://www.artyfactory.com/egyptian_art/...yphs_M.htm
According to that link, the waves signify the letter "n". but it is only one row of waves.
Or is your birth sign aquarius? the symbol for aquarius looks similar, too
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacaquarius.html
Ah... the age of Aquarius!!!

[Bring4th_Austin]

the deepening parts of the 4th night of the mayan 9th wave. negative spectrum was active in the night of the 4th.

i had a lot of pressure and various 'interactions' myself.

should subside with the advent of the day though.

Fascinating...I never completely bought the Mayan night/day stuff, I thought the correlation was interesting but didn't look into it more. This would be the third time I've had events like this happen in correspondence to the crests of night times. These particular occurrences all happened practically right at the crest, too.

I'm curious Unity, would you care at all to speculate on what may happen at the end of this particular cycle, ending on October 28th? Is that when you think Harvest may be?

I've had similar stuff occur. The astral "body" state is typically maintained in an altered state of consciousness that doesn't tend to posses the same faculties of awareness associated with the waking state. Things are a little off, such as sense of time and attention to overall context. When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

entity in astral body would be much more apt and capable with handling paranormal or 4d phenomenon however.

I'd say the way Zenmaster described the situation, not having the same faculties of awareness, was very accurate to how I felt. Like I didn't have a solid personality shell to guide my thought processes and awareness.

Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by capable of handling paranormal phenomenon? Do you mean that in an astral body, one should be more aware, or perhaps simply just sturdier/tougher in the face of this type of phenomenon?

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Austin, I just got the impression that the first symbol then rearranged and formed the more orderly waving up and down form in the second symbol.
I think the second symbol is also seen in some of the Egyptian hieroglyphs.
http://www.artyfactory.com/egyptian_art/...yphs_M.htm
According to that link, the waves signify the letter "n". but it is only one row of waves.
Or is your birth sign aquarius? the symbol for aquarius looks similar, too
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacaquarius.html
Ah... the age of Aquarius!!!

Thanks for the input Meerie, I didn't think anyone would be able to say much about the "symbols" but honestly they're what have made me the most curious!

I had a similar train of thought as you on how during the first two times, the lines were tangled, and the third time it was is they had "untangled" themselves into proper order. They were moving in sync, as if the jagged edges were like waves moving from left to right.

Thanks for the reference to the hieroglyph and the zodiac symbol, they are somewhat similar. They don't really strike me as being what this was particularly representing though, especially since these were animated.

I'm going to have to set aside some time to meditate on them and visualize them. I have a sneaking feeling that doing this may induce a similar experience.

[zenmaster]

When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

It's as if it were part of the conversation I was having in the dream. This person was explaining the intent and purpose of 4D negative entities, and pretty abruptly yelled that. In my perception, as far as the dream goes, it was audible...but it was definitely part of the dream.

In the dream, were the surroundings particularly dark, as if you were talking to this person in a "void"? If not, what did the surroundings look like?

I wouldn't say they were dark, but they were particularly undefined. It wasn't like a specific place, especially not a familiar place. I'd actually say void is a good word to describe it, though it wasn't a dark void...just no real surroundings at all.

Ok, that is indicative of an entity induced contact. In other words, it's more like a movie being played and less like your unconscious is creating the scene, as with a 'normal' dream. Although your unconscious is certainly still performing its function of 'filling in the gaps'. The 'astral' is a state that both inner plane and 4D entities will use. To those capable of this type of telepathic communication, your mind is like a landscape to navigate or a book to read to the extent they can relate to the personal/collective symbols and motifs therein. If you are of interest to them, they can and will create such 'artificial scenarios' for various purposes.

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entity in astral body would be much more apt and capable with handling paranormal or 4d phenomenon however.

Of course, in 4D one has conscious access to time/space. That which is 'emotional' which we associate with the astral body, for example, become something entirely different than our conventional, circumstantial, reactive experience.

[Bring4th_Austin]

When you heard "see them", was it as if someone said it audibly (e.g. into your ear) or was it more telepathic?

It's as if it were part of the conversation I was having in the dream. This person was explaining the intent and purpose of 4D negative entities, and pretty abruptly yelled that. In my perception, as far as the dream goes, it was audible...but it was definitely part of the dream.

In the dream, were the surroundings particularly dark, as if you were talking to this person in a "void"? If not, what did the surroundings look like?

I wouldn't say they were dark, but they were particularly undefined. It wasn't like a specific place, especially not a familiar place. I'd actually say void is a good word to describe it, though it wasn't a dark void...just no real surroundings at all.

Ok, that is indicative of an entity induced contact. In other words, it's more like a movie being played and less like your unconscious is creating the scene, as with a 'normal' dream. Although your unconscious is certainly still performing its function of 'filling in the gaps'. The 'astral' is a state that both inner plane and 4D entities will use. To those capable of this type of telepathic communication, your mind is like a landscape to navigate or a book to read to the extent they can relate to the personal/collective symbols and motifs therein. If you are of interest to them, they can and will create such 'artificial scenarios' for various purposes.

Very interesting insight, thank you. To your knowledge, is there any particular reason a contact like this would result in the out of body experience I had?

The contact itself makes sense. My life is extremely full and busy right now, I guess you could say "full of catalyst." The conversation was specifically about how to recognize negative greeting specific to me and what exactly the intentions a negative entity might have particularly in my situation. It's not really something I asked for but it helped me make sense of some things.

[zenmaster]

Very interesting insight, thank you. To your knowledge, is there any particular reason a contact like this would result in the out of body experience I had?

The contact itself makes sense. My life is extremely full and busy right now, I guess you could say "full of catalyst." The conversation was specifically about how to recognize negative greeting specific to me and what exactly the intentions a negative entity might have particularly in my situation. It's not really something I asked for but it helped me make sense of some things.

Any entity with a reasonable degree of 'psychic' ability can influence and manipulate the 'interconnect' between body and mind. This could be for the purpose of inducing paralysis, forced OBE, artificial sensation, artificial dream, etc. Generally, the negative entity will want to occlude understanding by creating fear and confusion, the positive will attempt to create clarity and reduce chance of fear and misunderstanding.

What's interesting is that the inner-plane and 4D tend to have a foreign symbol set compared to what we're used to (5D and above can adapt), and will tend to communicate things like emotions very awkwardly. The inner plane entity (i.e. 'faerie') tends to have less of a psychic field than does the 4D entity, although both presences can be easily detected. The field of negative 4D suggests single-mindedness and a strong desire to accomplish what it wants.

As far as 'asking for something', we do that all of the time without necessarily paying attention to the questions. The scope of our polarized intentions is beyond personal, even beyond planet-wide. We are, in effect, offering a new creation, new possibilities with our dramas and problem solving. When Ra says 'passive radiators', there is apparently quite a bit of unconscious active balancing occurring, which can be described metaphorically as some type of 'heroic' action. The abstract 'raising planetary vibration' doesn't quite describe what is actually going on, as there is a sea of information being worked with.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Generally, the negative entity will want to occlude understanding by creating fear and confusion, the positive will attempt to create clarity and reduce chance of fear and misunderstanding.

Could a negative entity induce the feeling of fear? Possibly through the strange symbol I saw?

There was no reason for the jolt of fear I experienced. It was just a wave that washed over me and brought me out of the experience.

[zenmaster]

Generally, the negative entity will want to occlude understanding by creating fear and confusion, the positive will attempt to create clarity and reduce chance of fear and misunderstanding.

Could a negative entity induce the feeling of fear? Possibly through the strange symbol I saw?

Yes, either directly (stimulate brain) or indirectly, through exposure to something that causes separation or withdrawal, for example. From what I understand, one's 'field' in 4D contains a lot of info. That info itself, from a negative entity, can result in an disagreeable to unpleasant to terrifying emotional reaction.

There was no reason for the jolt of fear I experienced. It was just a wave that washed over me and brought me out of the experience.

Of course there was a reason for it. It just may not be one that is expected.

[Bring4th_Austin]

There was no reason for the jolt of fear I experienced. It was just a wave that washed over me and brought me out of the experience.

Of course there was a reason for it. It just may not be one that is expected.

Right, what I meant was I didn't perceive anything which would normally frighten me. The fear "came out of nowhere."



Thanks a bunch for your help. The situation makes some sense now, and I can extrapolate some sort of meaning and purpose behind experiencing what I did. I understand everything that happened except for the strange black line-symbols, which I don't know if I'll ever understand.

[unity100]

Fascinating...I never completely bought the Mayan night/day stuff, I thought the correlation was interesting but didn't look into it more. This would be the third time I've had events like this happen in correspondence to the crests of night times. These particular occurrences all happened practically right at the crest, too.

I'm curious Unity, would you care at all to speculate on what may happen at the end of this particular cycle, ending on October 28th? Is that when you think Harvest may be?

these cycles seem to be increasing the frequency of available energy on and on. this coincides with personal observations/experiences people relayed in the forum, including me.

merging all them together, and the information Ra gives about the opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity at harvest, it seems that this energy ( 7-8d vibration) will be available at the completion of this current mayan cycle. coinciding with the 2011 harvest date Ra gave. this would make contacting intelligent infinity, and/or/also using this energy possible, whereas it may have been quite hard previously due to lack of enough energy or sufficiently high vibrations.

what this would do to planet physically, or, societal mind, or, to the planet through effects of societal mind (like the unused heat generation due to inalignment) is yet to be seen.

Is there any way to make a picture of the symbol you're seeing available to us?

These are very rough depictions. Symbol is a term I use pretty loosely, they don't seem to "represent" anything, they seem rather random, but they are very very distinct, directly in the middle of my vision, and they are animated.

The first two times, I saw something along the lines of this:


All of the lines were moving, sort of twisting and tangling while keeping their distinct angles and corners.

The most recent time I saw this:


They were no longer tangles but they still moved, sort of waving up and down.

They were very distinctly black and pretty small, about the size of my thumbnail if I hold my hand out all the way in front of me. They seem rather random and pointless but it's hard for me to think that they didn't mean something, considering they were so distinct and appeared every time this happened.

Austin, I just got the impression that the first symbol then rearranged and formed the more orderly waving up and down form in the second symbol.
I think the second symbol is also seen in some of the Egyptian hieroglyphs.
http://www.artyfactory.com/egyptian_art/...yphs_M.htm
According to that link, the waves signify the letter "n". but it is only one row of waves.
Or is your birth sign aquarius? the symbol for aquarius looks similar, too
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacaquarius.html
Ah... the age of Aquarius!!!

it may be overboard to make extensive conclusions from the occurrence you described above. these are instantaneous happenings, which may change from fraction of a second to fraction of a second. even if there is a message behind these, it may not be something that can be translated to something analogous to anything on this planet.

[zenmaster]

There was no reason for the jolt of fear I experienced. It was just a wave that washed over me and brought me out of the experience.

Of course there was a reason for it. It just may not be one that is expected.

Right, what I meant was I didn't perceive anything which would normally frighten me. The fear "came out of nowhere."



Thanks a bunch for your help. The situation makes some sense now, and I can extrapolate some sort of meaning and purpose behind experiencing what I did. I understand everything that happened except for the strange black line-symbols, which I don't know if I'll ever understand.

Your experience is not uncommon, I've had a few very similar. To be honest, the lines are sort of 'creepy' to me. It's almost as if they were intended to be impressed as nonsense, in order to distract and to confuse. I think you will ultimately find some acceptable answer. If it still grabs your attention, that could be a good thing, as you have catalyst provided. You could re-examine what you think you mean by 'symbol', for example and why if anything seems particularly important, emotional reactions, etc.

[Aaron]

This has only happened to me once. I was young, 12 or 13, and I sat up and jumped out of bed one morning. I couldn't figure out why it felt like I was walking around in moon gravity or why everything was in greyscale. But it was fun! I bounded out of my room and across the hall in three steps flat. Without giving it a second thought in my free state, I hopped over the staircase railing to gently float to the living room floor. But the fear of seeing the floor approach me as I looked down jolted me back into my body. I didn't even comprehend that I was out of body until I got snapped back into it!

My interpretation on those black line symbols is that they must be a form of energy that you were able to perceive in that state. The lower picture seems to show it at rest/undisturbed, and the upper picture seems like it's being scrambled by the negative entity's presence.

[Bring4th_Austin]

My interpretation on those black line symbols is that they must be a form of energy that you were able to perceive in that state. The lower picture seems to show it at rest/undisturbed, and the upper picture seems like it's being scrambled by the negative entity's presence.

Thank you for that insight, it actually seems to make a lot of sense, and rings a rather loud intuitive bell inside me. The more I ponder it, the more I agree with it. I may be able to use this if it ever happens again.