Governments revealing extraterrestrials...

[aWanderer91]

Hi all,

So I was wondering what your thoughts were on the government's ever revealing that extraterrestrials are in fact real?

We have seen some progression from the pentagon, and I believe they wouldn't reveal such information if it was a national threat and the unexplained crafts were from another country. It would be admitting weakness.

I have also come to understand that the idea of extraterrestrials is normal to me, how do you feel about them at this point? Of course it would change things globally if they are ever fully revealed, but I'm sure there's also many like myself who are ready to accept this information. When and how would this happen, in your view?

[Patrick]

I don't think we need them to. We just need to procure a mountain of evidence. A project such as this one could very well succeed in this.

https://science.slashdot.org/story/22/01...-ufo-buffs

[aWanderer91]

I don't think we need them to. We just need to procure a mountain of evidence. A project such as this one could very well succeed in this.

https://science.slashdot.org/story/22/01...-ufo-buffs

While I can applaud such efforts, I don't think there's any reasonable doubt that extraterrestrials exist. I believe there are many in number who have such evidence, not to mention that much can be captured by the everyday man/woman now on a decent telescope.

It still comes down to the governments on whether they will allow such information to bubble forth (as of right now, this moment). I don't rely on them and I of course, understand at this point that to wait for our governments to do something is a losing game. But basically, do you believe that efforts such as the one you've posted will topple the resistance posed by the government's, Patrick?

There needs to me a majority vote on this, in my opinion, in terms of planetary consciousness.

[Patrick]

Governments will only disclose this when 3d is so near being completely over that it would not matter if the illusion of materialism is dispelled for all the people of the Earth.

Maybe for people like us it is obvious that UFOs are Aliens. But for the very great majority of people they are just experimental army vehicles.

What is needed for this to become obvious for all is a mountain of empirical evidence that can be peer reviewed and replicated/regathered.

But it's quite possible that our visitors are not interested in leaving that much traces around. So we are only allowed easily tossable "evidence" as to not dispel materialism for all those still working with that 3d catalyst.

[Vestige]

I don't think we need them to. We just need to procure a mountain of evidence. A project such as this one could very well succeed in this.

https://science.slashdot.org/story/22/01...-ufo-buffs

While I can applaud such efforts, I don't think there's any reasonable doubt that extraterrestrials exist. I believe there are many in number who have such evidence, not to mention that much can be captured by the everyday man/woman now on a decent telescope.

It still comes down to the governments on whether they will allow such information to bubble forth (as of right now, this moment). I don't rely on them and I of course, understand at this point that to wait for our governments to do something is a losing game. But basically, do you believe that efforts such as the one you've posted will topple the resistance posed by the government's, Patrick?

There needs to me a majority vote on this, in my opinion, in terms of planetary consciousness.

I'm not Patrick--obviously--but I have a response.  Basically, I would re-characterize efforts like the one cited as "parallel" or "alternative" rather than "a resistance" designed to "topple."
I have been following the likes of Dr. Steven Greer, for example, who has "defected" from his government career to offer what seem to be positively-oriented information and training on contact with UFOs.

Efforts like Greer's will, I believe, come into play naturally:

July 31, 2007
Q'uo

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The governments of your people, however, are not at all focused on peace, contentment or compassion. Those in political power have become able to hold the positions which they hold because they have laid aside what they consider to be naïve and overly innocent hopes. They have accepted that they cannot be men of complete integrity, in the usual sense, if they wish to serve the state. The organization and arrangement of power is specifically and universally service-to-self upon your planet.

There are those entities who, vibrating in green ray and blue ray, attempt most sincerely to change the atmosphere in which business is conducted at the level of nation-states. However, these entities are either weeded out completely by their inability to accept a system which is corrupt and to work within that, or they become useless in terms of making a change from within governmental systems because they have become used to the perquisites of power and have begun to think in a service-to-self way, while rationalizing to themselves that all that they do is for the greater good. They become more and more separated from any stream of pure metaphysical integrity by their own choices until they can no longer remember what it feels like to make a purely positive response to challenging catalyst.

Indeed, my brother, the entities who are in power among your nation-states are focused upon those goals that have been the habitual goals of people in power upon your planet for millennia. Those goals are the goals of your great ape ancestors. They revolve around a love of their family and their tribe. When they have defined their tribe, then they attempt to defend their tribe’s property and acreage and to gather resources so that their tribe may fare well in a world of diminishing resources. They have been in power before, perhaps many times, and have developed the habit of an unceasing thirst for power. And this they shall not yield in order to make room for service-to-others goals such as true liberty, true equality, true justice, and a truly equitable distribution of the resources of your planet.

We ask that you not be overly concerned with the state of the outer workings of your planet. We ask that your concern be to pray that these leaders may be forgiven, for they do not know what they are doing. They will come to dust, as all dragons must. Even now, they are dying. The energy of the old world is weakening and its hold upon the hearts and the minds of ordinary people, such as are gathered in this circle of seeking, is lessening every day.

Nothing is as it seems when looked at from a metaphysical point of view. Therefore, when thinking of the Middle East and its issues, may your concern be to affirm and confirm that there is peace, love and compassion that is stronger than the dragon which is thrashing its tail at this time. For dragons shall die. But those values of love, unity, hope, faith and joy shall live forever. As you affirm and confirm these values in yourself, you are creating the basis for that which is to come. And in so doing, you are also creating for yourself the ability to live through the shift into fourth density that is upon you at this time.

As you look at the Middle East, know that all is well. And if you wish to explore the details of the politics of violence and aggression that make the front pages red with blood, do this studying and this research not to despair but to know ever more clearly the nature of the world that you came to incarnation to love.

And my brother, we ask that you allow no judgment to enter into this love. Praise and bless those who seem to be persecuting and hurting the common man and woman in these difficult and challenging times that you now experience. Let your mind and your heart rest in peace. The outer world shall not hear you, but all of those in the unseen realms who vibrate in unconditional love do hear you and are called to your prayers to amplify them and to strengthen them. You are doing the good work of compassion and love as you offer these simple prayers and visualizations in order to maximize your ability to serve in this way.

We recommend that, as this group does, you set aside time each day, if only just a moment, to visualize peace, harmony and understanding, not only in the Middle East but in all portions of your far-flung globe. We assure you that you are having a wonderful affect on the inner planes. Allow the rest to fall away, for empires rise and fall. The spiritual evolution moves along without regard to the illusion created by power and breath.

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[aWanderer91]

I don't think we need them to. We just need to procure a mountain of evidence. A project such as this one could very well succeed in this.

https://science.slashdot.org/story/22/01...-ufo-buffs

While I can applaud such efforts, I don't think there's any reasonable doubt that extraterrestrials exist. I believe there are many in number who have such evidence, not to mention that much can be captured by the everyday man/woman now on a decent telescope.

It still comes down to the governments on whether they will allow such information to bubble forth (as of right now, this moment). I don't rely on them and I of course, understand at this point that to wait for our governments to do something is a losing game. But basically, do you believe that efforts such as the one you've posted will topple the resistance posed by the government's, Patrick?

There needs to me a majority vote on this, in my opinion, in terms of planetary consciousness.

I'm not Patrick--obviously--but I have a response.  Basically, I would re-characterize efforts like the one cited as "parallel" or "alternative" rather than "a resistance" designed to "topple."
I have been following the likes of Dr. Steven Greer, for example, who has "defected" from his government career to offer what seem to be positively-oriented information and training on contact with UFOs.

Efforts like Greer's will, I believe, come into play naturally:

July 31, 2007
Q'uo

... 

The governments of your people, however, are not at all focused on peace, contentment or compassion. Those in political power have become able to hold the positions which they hold because they have laid aside what they consider to be naïve and overly innocent hopes. They have accepted that they cannot be men of complete integrity, in the usual sense, if they wish to serve the state. The organization and arrangement of power is specifically and universally service-to-self upon your planet.

There are those entities who, vibrating in green ray and blue ray, attempt most sincerely to change the atmosphere in which business is conducted at the level of nation-states. However, these entities are either weeded out completely by their inability to accept a system which is corrupt and to work within that, or they become useless in terms of making a change from within governmental systems because they have become used to the perquisites of power and have begun to think in a service-to-self way, while rationalizing to themselves that all that they do is for the greater good. They become more and more separated from any stream of pure metaphysical integrity by their own choices until they can no longer remember what it feels like to make a purely positive response to challenging catalyst.

Indeed, my brother, the entities who are in power among your nation-states are focused upon those goals that have been the habitual goals of people in power upon your planet for millennia. Those goals are the goals of your great ape ancestors. They revolve around a love of their family and their tribe. When they have defined their tribe, then they attempt to defend their tribe’s property and acreage and to gather resources so that their tribe may fare well in a world of diminishing resources. They have been in power before, perhaps many times, and have developed the habit of an unceasing thirst for power. And this they shall not yield in order to make room for service-to-others goals such as true liberty, true equality, true justice, and a truly equitable distribution of the resources of your planet.

We ask that you not be overly concerned with the state of the outer workings of your planet. We ask that your concern be to pray that these leaders may be forgiven, for they do not know what they are doing. They will come to dust, as all dragons must. Even now, they are dying. The energy of the old world is weakening and its hold upon the hearts and the minds of ordinary people, such as are gathered in this circle of seeking, is lessening every day.

Nothing is as it seems when looked at from a metaphysical point of view. Therefore, when thinking of the Middle East and its issues, may your concern be to affirm and confirm that there is peace, love and compassion that is stronger than the dragon which is thrashing its tail at this time. For dragons shall die. But those values of love, unity, hope, faith and joy shall live forever. As you affirm and confirm these values in yourself, you are creating the basis for that which is to come. And in so doing, you are also creating for yourself the ability to live through the shift into fourth density that is upon you at this time.

As you look at the Middle East, know that all is well. And if you wish to explore the details of the politics of violence and aggression that make the front pages red with blood, do this studying and this research not to despair but to know ever more clearly the nature of the world that you came to incarnation to love.

And my brother, we ask that you allow no judgment to enter into this love. Praise and bless those who seem to be persecuting and hurting the common man and woman in these difficult and challenging times that you now experience. Let your mind and your heart rest in peace. The outer world shall not hear you, but all of those in the unseen realms who vibrate in unconditional love do hear you and are called to your prayers to amplify them and to strengthen them. You are doing the good work of compassion and love as you offer these simple prayers and visualizations in order to maximize your ability to serve in this way.

We recommend that, as this group does, you set aside time each day, if only just a moment, to visualize peace, harmony and understanding, not only in the Middle East but in all portions of your far-flung globe. We assure you that you are having a wonderful affect on the inner planes. Allow the rest to fall away, for empires rise and fall. The spiritual evolution moves along without regard to the illusion created by power and breath.

...

Thank you for your input Vestige and I too, much prefer the words "parallel" and "alternative"

I pray that the work of Dr. Greer and the scientists mentioned by Patrick that it offers a recognisable alternative reality to the one our current governments portray.

[Quincunx]

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