04-14-2021, 01:24 PM
If I am you
And you are me
Then your pain
Is my pain.
And you are me
Then your pain
Is my pain.
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04-14-2021, 01:24 PM
If I am you
And you are me Then your pain Is my pain.
04-14-2021, 01:52 PM
(04-14-2021, 01:24 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: If I am you Everything is connected and interconnected, (directly and indirectly). One and the same thing. The only thing that separates us is our individuality. The "Great Barrier". We can only become ONE on a Higher Consciousness level. Physicality is what is holding us back. I am me, I am you, and you are me, (not as we know it). Before we can have a "Unified ONE", then we have to lose our individuality. Which few people are ready to do because of their attachment to Self, (and the I am).
04-14-2021, 02:11 PM
(04-14-2021, 01:52 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: ...Before we can have a "Unified ONE", then we have to lose our individuality. Which few people are ready to do because of their attachment to Self, (and the I am). Plus many come here and take on an individuality in order to do a special type of discovery that requires this. So as long as that work is ongoing, the wish to release the individuality will not appear. And without that intent, there will be no movement in that direction.
04-14-2021, 02:43 PM
You guys are full of so much wisdom.
I used to have fantasies of leaving the material world and becoming a monk in a monastery so I wouldn't have to deal with people, lol. I still carry that fantasy to a point, I suppose. But who needs the monastic life when I can get such savory gems of wisdom right here on bring4th? An issue / challenge I am struggling with is that sense of identity. There is a sort of fear of obliteration by my egoic self at the notion of evolving to 5D and becoming a social memory complex. Am I still me in that world? I think that what I understand now is that the sense of the individual experience and thoughts are always available -- but why would you want to stay in that small mind when you can have access to the Greater Mind? I recall how enlightened beings refer to themselves in the first person as "This one..." I always find it amusing. "This one is feeling hunger and needs sustenance." On a cool note -- when I was a kid, I always referred to myself as "we". Growing up, one day I realized that I still refer to myself as "we" and just assumed that it is because my mind views my body as separate. So the mind "me" is one thing and the physical "me" is another. But perhaps the original "we" that I grew up referring to myself was the larger "We" of a social memory complex. Unfortunately I was cut off from that SMC to come here. Pretty neat. This is one of the many weird little realizations and synchronicities I am still experiencing day to day.
04-14-2021, 02:46 PM
(04-14-2021, 02:11 PM)Patrick Wrote:(04-14-2021, 01:52 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: ...Before we can have a "Unified ONE", then we have to lose our individuality. Which few people are ready to do because of their attachment to Self, (and the I am). Then it becomes the act of "Self-Realization". Self-Realization only happens when the individual realizes, (and accepts), that they have a Higher Consciousness, and Unification and ONENESS only happens when people remove the barriers of the "I am". Perhaps if we dropped the "I" and became the "We". I am WE. Then it becomes the "Collective".
04-14-2021, 02:56 PM
(04-14-2021, 02:43 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: You guys are full of so much wisdom. Chaos and Fate are devious God(s). We live life under the delusion that we choose our own fate, and we follow certain principles and precepts, thinking that we are unique and everything was of our own choosing, and then suddenly it is almost as if it was predetermined. The "Something" had been interfering and pushing us a certain way. A new discovery. It is the same, (yet different). The fact is, the God(s) of Chaos and Fate have been playing games with us. That is the perfect time to taunt the God(s). (04-14-2021, 02:43 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: ...An issue / challenge I am struggling with is that sense of identity. There is a sort of fear of obliteration by my egoic self at the notion of evolving to 5D and becoming a social memory complex. Am I still me in that world? I think that what I understand now is that the sense of the individual experience and thoughts are always available -- but why would you want to stay in that small mind when you can have access to the Greater Mind?... This is how I see it. Imagine being you just as you are right now, but wearing 7 pairs of glasses having different deflection. While wearing all 7 your view is quite distorted and so much so that your own hand could appear to you as being another thing, other than something that is you. Now remove one by one those glasses and at each step your view becomes less distorted. When you remove the last one then you see the whole picture as it is, yet you still feel like yourself. The feeling of being you endures all the way to being once again in the perspective of the One Infinite Creator. Only your point of view changes, but the feeling you have right now of being you is exactly what it feels like to be the One Infinite Creator. There is only one consciousness. That feeling of being conscious is unique and so we all share it. Ra says that the spirit is a shuttle because it is the channel used to bring the One Unique and Eternal Consciousness in you and this is what enables your self-awareness. So you'll never stop feeling that you exist, because you are existence Itself and there is nothing else. The concept of being unconscious like being asleep is only an artifact of the veil. It's just one extremely powerful pair of glasses. In reality we are never unconscious, but how you feel like in that state is hidden from us while incarnated in veiled 3d. It's actually incredible that a Logos was able to create such a thing that can give this experience of being unconscious. EDIT: Whole thread here on the subject of unconsciousness: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4926
04-14-2021, 04:05 PM
(04-14-2021, 03:09 PM)Patrick Wrote:(04-14-2021, 02:43 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: ...An issue / challenge I am struggling with is that sense of identity. There is a sort of fear of obliteration by my egoic self at the notion of evolving to 5D and becoming a social memory complex. Am I still me in that world? I think that what I understand now is that the sense of the individual experience and thoughts are always available -- but why would you want to stay in that small mind when you can have access to the Greater Mind?... I totally agree Patrick. A Post Script before I continue. A few minutes ago I was on YouTube, and I discovered that "Wikipedia" has a TV channel. The point is, they uploaded a video, which, (more or less), proves that the Flood in Genesis and the Sumerians are directly connected, (and the Alien connection). I will go back in a few minutes and insert it in this Post. It is a "Must Watch" and priority watching. Another Eye Opener. Why is it that suddenly everything is connecting? You search for years to find the Truth, (the God(s) are playing with you). Time to taunt the God(s). Here we go again, the Master slapping the student in the face. Wake up! Can't you see it, its right there in front of you. All you have to do is look. Open your eyes. Stop questioning and listen. Then everything will fall into place and then you will see the whole picture. I am suffering from synchroniserity, (wrong spelling), overdrive. it is happening everywhere. Perhaps it is part of the "Awakening" and the God(s) are playing more games. Except, the games are rigged, and in winning, you cannot win because the dice are weighted on one side and so they fall in favour of the God(s). They always win. Taunt the God(s). Update coming in a Postscript to myself.
04-14-2021, 04:10 PM
I think the storm of change is happening inside us... a storm of change in perspective all ending up aligning better and so clearing up your view of the whole. BUT as above, so below !
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04-14-2021, 04:10 PM
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(04-14-2021, 04:05 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:(04-14-2021, 03:09 PM)Patrick Wrote:(04-14-2021, 02:43 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: ...An issue / challenge I am struggling with is that sense of identity. There is a sort of fear of obliteration by my egoic self at the notion of evolving to 5D and becoming a social memory complex. Am I still me in that world? I think that what I understand now is that the sense of the individual experience and thoughts are always available -- but why would you want to stay in that small mind when you can have access to the Greater Mind?... A POSTSCRIPT UNTO MYSELF.
04-14-2021, 04:12 PM
(04-14-2021, 03:09 PM)Patrick Wrote: This is how I see it. Imagine being you just as you are right now, but wearing 7 pairs of glasses having different deflection. Nice analogy! I swear, metaphors, analogies, and parables make all this esoteric stuff much easier to digest. My homie JC knew what he was doing, sticking with parables. I really enjoyed the 7 pairs of glasses analogy. So, one can portend that the average human is consciously aware of three of these densities -- physical / material, mind, and spirit? Is that correct? Is it possible that one can become consciously aware of these other densities? Or is that impossible in our current form? Is it something only available to those who are the ascended Masters? What about the current cosmic upgrades we are all receiving? One can have awareness of these other levels of existence while in the human form, but how easily can one consciously break into these planes? Or is it something that can only be reached through much discipline and practice? Just spit-balling here, not necessarily looking for answers -- well, always looking for answers too. ![]() Also -- sidenote -- that old thread of you linked is from 2012! Wow, I can't imagine what it would be like being awakened for so long, waiting for that jump to 4D/5D, watching the pains of the world continue to unfold. Talk about a lesson in patience and being present. I was surprised at how many members in that thread are no longer active. I wonder what happened to all those people. I understand though, life happens, we forget the bigger picture and get pulled back into the 3D world.
04-14-2021, 04:33 PM
(04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote:(04-14-2021, 03:09 PM)Patrick Wrote: This is how I see it. Imagine being you just as you are right now, but wearing 7 pairs of glasses having different deflection. I know precisely what you mean about breaking into other densities. I have felt that for years. In another Thread I was quoting from the Bhagavad-Gita. Whenever I read it, (usually opening the book randomly), it is almost like I am Transcending into a Higher Consciousness, (something I cannot explain). I get a "High" like you would not believe just reading the words of Krishna. Although there is more to it than that. It is one of those instances where words become meaningless and pointless because they do not convey the experience. A similar thing happens when I am in Still Mind, (not always Meditation), something in the Stillness. I always call it the "Spark". (04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: Also -- sidenote -- that old thread of you linked is from 2012! Wow, I can't imagine what it would be like being awakened for so long, waiting for that jump to 4D/5D, watching the pains of the world continue to unfold. Talk about a lesson in patience and being present. I was surprised at how many members in that thread are no longer active. I wonder what happened to all those people. I understand though, life happens, we forget the bigger picture and get pulled back into the 3D world. Or perhaps... they don’t feel the need to share publicly ? ![]() There is a level where you reach some sort of bliss and at the same time humility and you feel ‘perhaps anything I would say wouldn’t help after all’ , ‘and I do know so little or what i seem to know isn’t so easily put into words’ ? There’s all kind of possibilities where these members have evolved...
04-14-2021, 06:52 PM
(04-14-2021, 06:44 PM)flofrog Wrote:(04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: Also -- sidenote -- that old thread of you linked is from 2012! Wow, I can't imagine what it would be like being awakened for so long, waiting for that jump to 4D/5D, watching the pains of the world continue to unfold. Talk about a lesson in patience and being present. I was surprised at how many members in that thread are no longer active. I wonder what happened to all those people. I understand though, life happens, we forget the bigger picture and get pulled back into the 3D world. Oh yes, I know that feeling well. Mark Twain said “it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to talk and remove all doubt.” I humbly embrace my ignorance and trust my other selves to help show me the way.
04-14-2021, 06:53 PM
I do embrace mine also LeafieGreen
![]() (04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: So, one can portend that the average human is consciously aware of three of these densities -- physical / material, mind, and spirit? Is that correct? These concepts are not easy. The first thing to note is that our physical body is not the body in mind/body/spirit complex. This is only while incarnated in veiled 3d. I believe the mechanism that creates this veil is exactly this, having two bodies to experience 3d. The body in our mind/body/spirit complex is our 3d body but it only experiences space/time by interfacing with a 2d body (our physical body). These three components mind/body/spirit are not directly related to the densities. 1st and 2nd density entities are mind/body complexes and from 3d to 7d it becomes mind/body/spirit complexes because at the end of 2d the entity attracts to itself the spirit. I believe this attraction actually works in reverse, it's the consciousness of the One that becomes interested in that mind/body complex and so the channel forms and the spirit descends into the 2d entity thus ennobling it with self-awareness. This notice of the 2d entity seems to be helped quite a lot by us 3d entities taking notice of said 2d entity. (04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: Is it possible that one can become consciously aware of these other densities? Or is that impossible in our current form? Is it something only available to those who are the ascended Masters? What about the current cosmic upgrades we are all receiving? It's quite possible, but in most cases that is not the point of coming here. We come in this illusion of separation to accomplish work that only has value to us while we can't be sure of anything and thus must make a leap of Faith. That leap of Faith is what has value to the whole self and cannot be done if you are truly aware of the higher-densities. Once you have done that leap of faith though, then the veil starts to thin because it's less needed from then on. Many here can help with how to experience the higher-densities without dying. It's not something that is of interest to me. I still have many things to do while under the spell of this illusion. (04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: Also -- sidenote -- that old thread of you linked is from 2012! Wow, I can't imagine what it would be like being awakened for so long, waiting for that jump to 4D/5D, watching the pains of the world continue to unfold. Talk about a lesson in patience and being present. I was surprised at how many members in that thread are no longer active. I wonder what happened to all those people. I understand though, life happens, we forget the bigger picture and get pulled back into the 3D world. After you are done making your quantum leap right after awakening, things settle down. You go back to processing everyday catalysts and living a "normal" life, except that now you can consciously ponder at all the little experiences you are having through this new higher perspective. I have been absent for long swats of time from these forums. I came back last year because I started working more intensely on blue-ray. Since, among other things, that is the ray of sharing your Truth, a forum is a great place to do that work. Learning to share your Truth in a balanced and compassionate way. You can count on your mirrors, your other-selves, to very quickly and adamantly highlight any and all little imperfections you may still have in the way you share your Truth. What is helpful to realize is that people expects you to be absolutely perfect. Which is of course impossible, so it is a certainty that the mirroring will take place. It all becomes a matter of expectations. If you expect others to have the unreasonable expectations that you should be perfect, then your own expectation is not unmet. This way you remain untriggered when others become angry at your imperfection and can more efficiently work with the catalysts of those interactions with others. It is when our expectations are not met that we become triggered/annoyed/angered. (Now that I am a moderator, I expect that I'll be hanging around with more assiduity from now on)
04-15-2021, 06:31 AM
(04-14-2021, 07:48 PM)Patrick Wrote:(04-14-2021, 04:12 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: So, one can portend that the average human is consciously aware of three of these densities -- physical / material, mind, and spirit? Is that correct? Well, let's face it Patrick, there are 3rd density entities that are not aware of self thus making it impossible to be aware of something like spirit. Just because we are living in the ray of self awareness does not make ot automatic, in fact, this is part of the work, right? Is to become. ...and some come to finish the work of the adept which includes intensive lower ray work and balancing. "healing" one might say and learning to understand the shadow and its role in the life of the entity but then expanding into love of the self and further expansion, love of all others.
04-15-2021, 06:54 AM
"Wow, I can't imagine what it would be like being awakened for so long, waiting for that jump to 4D/5D,"
This is very funny to me. Patrick can likely understand why. I like to think of densities as the speed limits on various roads. The mind body spirit complex is the vehicle we use. Without a complete vehicle, we would not be able to be on the road period. If our MBS is damaged or defected, we would not be able to go at higher speeds. So we are constantly upgrading our hot rod racer, so that it can compete and reach higher speed limit roads. Until we just fly off this world entirely.
04-15-2021, 08:12 AM
(04-15-2021, 06:54 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "Wow, I can't imagine what it would be like being awakened for so long, waiting for that jump to 4D/5D,"Well, then most Wanderers are screwed because most of them have a problem with their body complex or personality due to the meshing of their unique configurations and the planetary energetic configurations. Most things can be overcome IMO, however, it may require a little more work and concentration. I am not sure if you meant what I am responding to here. If not, I apologize in advance Ymar.
04-15-2021, 09:31 AM
(04-14-2021, 02:43 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: You guys are full of so much wisdom. Wisdom without love will not resulted in balance. To earn wisdom one need to view the same thing through many point of view. Including the point of view of darkness. Quote:An issue / challenge I am struggling with is that sense of identity. There is a sort of fear of obliteration by my egoic self at the notion of evolving to 5D and becoming a social memory complex. Am I still me in that world? I think that what I understand now is that the sense of the individual experience and thoughts are always available -- but why would you want to stay in that small mind when you can have access to the Greater Mind? You will be more than what you think you are right now. As I understand you now think you as your current physical identity + woman in lemuria. And that happened merely because you have access to the memory of the woman in lemuria. Repeat the same process hundreds, thousands or milliion of times. Once you have access to hundreds or thousands or millions of other avatars you will be your current physical identity + hundreds, thousands and millions of other avatars. That's what it means by "You will be more than what you think you are right now". You will be both male and female, dark skinned and light skinned, poor and rich, noble and peasant, human and alien, STS and STO. Oh you're mentioning 5D consciousness? Then perhaps the STS and STO identities hasn't merged yet. ![]() A metaphor using Lord Of The Rings Novel will be... Frodo will realize that he is actually JRR Tolkien. Once he does he will also realize that he is not only Frodo, but also Pippen, Gandalf and even dark characters such as Saruman and Sauron as well. As all of the characters inside the novel was merely identities, the thought forms of one entity, one identity named JRR Tolkien. Thus keep on asking "Who am I?"
04-15-2021, 10:09 AM
04-15-2021, 11:07 AM
(04-15-2021, 09:31 AM)jafar Wrote:(04-14-2021, 02:43 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: You guys are full of so much wisdom. You are We. The embodiment of the ONE, (the Collective).
04-15-2021, 03:21 PM
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Since I am you guys, you would think I would already know this stuff.
Except, I DO know this stuff. Because I am you guys, I just forgot. Sorry about that. Still working on remembering. ![]()
04-15-2021, 03:59 PM
(04-15-2021, 03:21 PM)LeafieGreens Wrote: Since I am you guys, you would think I would already know this stuff. Stop searching and you will find it. When you stop asking questions, you will find the answer. Just be. Allow the ONE to speak to you, that is all it takes.
04-15-2021, 04:06 PM
"...Allow the ONE to speak to you, that is all it takes" to bring you here on these forums.
Oh wait, we have a circular reference now ! ![]()
04-15-2021, 04:07 PM
There can only be one.
*grabs numerous swords
04-15-2021, 04:08 PM
Do you want to see the ONE in action? Again, I stumbled into this, another "Mind Blower".
04-15-2021, 04:26 PM
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