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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters Understanding the Nature of God/Creator

    Thread: Understanding the Nature of God/Creator


    Bosphorus1982 (Offline)

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    02-03-2021, 01:53 PM
    Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile
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    02-03-2021, 03:50 PM
    Found these two quotes:

    Quote:27.4 Questioner: Would you define the word intelligent in the concept of intelligent infinity?

    Ra: I am Ra. We shall address the entire spectrum of this question before defining as requested. Your language, using vibrational sound complexes, can be at best an approximation of that which is closer to an understanding, if you will, of the nature of conscious thought. Perceptions are not the same as sound vibration complexes and the attempt to define will therefore be a frustrating one for you, although we are happy to aid you within the limits of your sound vibration complexes.
    To define intelligent apart from infinity is difficult, for these two vibration complexes equal one concept. It is much like attempting to divide your sound vibration concept, faith, into two parts. We shall attempt to aid you however.

    27.5 Questioner: It is not necessary to divide it. The definition of intelligent infinity as one part is sufficient. Could you please now define intelligent infinity?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is exponentially simpler and less confusing. There is unity. This unity is all that there is. This unity has a potential and kinetic. The potential is intelligent infinity. Tapping this potential will yield work. This work has been called by us, intelligent energy.
    The nature of this work is dependent upon the particular distortion of free will which in turn is the nature of a particular intelligent energy or kinetic focus of the potential of unity or that which is all.

    More along the lines of intelligent energy being kinetic focus, this quote also says that our entire Octave/Logos is intelligent energy.

    Quote:15.21 Questioner: Well, in yesterday’s material you stated “we offer the Law of One, the solving of paradoxes.” You also mentioned earlier that the first paradox, or the first distortion I meant, was the distortion of free will. Could you tell me if there’s a sequence? Is there a first, second, third, fourth distortion of the Law of One?

    Ra: I am Ra. Only up to a very short point. After this point, the many-ness of distortions are equal one to another. The first distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the second distortion known to you as Logos, the Creative Principle or Love. This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these three distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions, each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being more important than another.
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    02-03-2021, 04:56 PM
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    To supplement Minyatur's post, Consciousness would be the potential, and Energy the kinetic, or in another framework, Consciousness is the mind/spirit, and energy is the mind/body. The former is the will of the creator, the former is the action.

    Your above statement is not wrong in either respect, there is a hierarchy of terms.
    Creator is all.
    Creator is consciousness.
    Creator is consciousness that is expressed in energy.

    You can keep adding terms that further refine the context you are trying to delineate.
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      • MrWho, Bosphorus1982, schubert
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    02-03-2021, 06:43 PM
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness?

    From a grand perspective, you may see them as unified, if that pleases you.  From a more practical point of view, you might consider them to have a subject-object relationship where energy (form) is the object and consciousness is the subjective viewer. 

    Does that help any?

    Quote:41.9 Questioner: Then what is the simplest being that is manifested? I am supposing it might be a single cell or something like that. And how does it function with respect to energy centers?

    Ra: I am Ra. The simplest manifest being is light or what you have called the photon. In relationship to energy centers it may be seen to be the center or foundation of all articulated energy fields.

    Quote:27.16 Questioner: Then this vibration which is, for lack of better understanding, which we would call pure motion; it is pure love; it is— it is not— there is nothing that is yet condensed, shall we say, to form any type or density of illusion. This Love then creates by this process of vibration a photon, as we call it, which is the basic particle of light. This photon then, by added vibrations and rotations, further condenses into particles of the densities, the various densities that we experience. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    So, generally speaking, energy creates form, or that of which consciousness may become aware. 

    Ra, generally speaks of consciousness as the ability to be aware (and experience) as in, to become conscious of this or that.  Honestly, I'm a bit too lazy at the moment to look for a better quote, but this one is a tiny snippet of 10.1 which is talking about the Malkdeck saga.  It gives some sense of consciousness in this context by contrasting it with unconsciousness.

    Quote:These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot or tangle of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

    Approximately six hundred thousand [600,000] of your years ago the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear. The entities were then able to recall that they were conscious.
      
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    02-03-2021, 09:27 PM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2021, 09:32 PM by Infinite.)
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    I would say that consciousness is the focus, one that uses free will. When this focus touches the potential of intelligent infinity, the work produced is called by Ra intelligent energy.
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    02-04-2021, 12:43 PM (This post was last modified: 02-04-2021, 12:44 PM by jafar.)
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    It's 'easier' to understand, for me at least, to focus on the Infinite aspect of the word Infinite Creator.
    As Infinity only equals to Infinity and there could only be one infinity.
    Thus any 'finite' (bordered) definition is actually part of the Infinite (borderless / no border).

    As for energy, Tesla's said it best.
    "“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
    -- Tesla

    Energy is a form of manifestation while Consciousness is the aspect who experienced the manifestation.
    An example: Your body is a form of energy manifestation while consciousness is the aspect who said "This is my body".
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      • MrWho, flofrog
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    02-25-2021, 05:11 PM
    (02-03-2021, 04:56 PM)zedro Wrote:
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    To supplement Minyatur's post, Consciousness would be the potential, and Energy the kinetic, or in another framework, Consciousness is the mind/spirit, and energy is the mind/body. The former is the will of the creator, the former is the action.

    Your above statement is not wrong in either respect, there is a hierarchy of terms.
    Creator is all.
    Creator is consciousness.
    Creator is consciousness that is expressed in energy.

    You can keep adding terms that further refine the context you are trying to delineate.
    Quote:Creator is consciousness that is expressed in energy.
    Nice! Your wording...I really love this!
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    02-26-2021, 10:24 AM
    big energy do a everything BigSmile
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    03-19-2021, 08:15 PM
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    Perchance Consciousness is Energy with Intent, 
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    03-19-2021, 08:41 PM
    (03-19-2021, 08:15 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    Perchance Consciousness is Energy with Intent, 

    Zie, ik ben naar de wildernis gegaan en heb nieuwe Goden geschapen.

    As I understand it, although I am interpreting this from an Eastern viewpoint, (and Vedic Philosophy). Brahma would be seen as the Ra, (or Universal Consciousness), which permeates everything. Then there is the argument, did the Universal Consciousness create the Universe, (or), did the Universe create the Universal Consciousness? There is now a new philosophy developing where even inanimate objects could, (possibly), have a state of awareness and self-consciousness. A rock could be self-aware, except not on a self-awareness, as we know it. Which brings in the argument, if inanimate objects are self-aware, then the Earth itself has self-consciousness. Then the solar system, and then the galaxy, the next stage is the entire Universe. As nothing is lost in the Universe, or everything is in a state of birth and rebirth, and transformation and transmutation from one form to another, then we must question self-evolution. As we reside in self-consciousness as an individual, and there is the group-consciousness and the merging into Oneness, then everything is made from single-component parts. Creating the overall Universal Consciousness. The philosophy of inanimate objects having self-consciousness is not new, because that is the core philosophy of Shinto in Japan. It has been around for thousands of years.

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    03-19-2021, 09:12 PM
    (03-19-2021, 08:41 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:
    (03-19-2021, 08:15 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:
    (02-03-2021, 01:53 PM)Bosphorus1982 Wrote: Hi guys. I'd like to ask a question about the Creator. Some say Creator is All That Is; whereas some say Creator is Consciousness. Anyway there is something i don't understand. As our Universe and all other things is formed of Energy, what is the difference between Energy and Consciousness? They are the same thing or they are different? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thank you Smile

    Perchance Consciousness is Energy with Intent, 

    Zie, ik ben naar de wildernis gegaan en heb nieuwe Goden geschapen.

    As I understand it, although I am interpreting this from an Eastern viewpoint, (and Vedic Philosophy). Brahma would be seen as the Ra, (or Universal Consciousness), which permeates everything. Then there is the argument, did the Universal Consciousness create the Universe, (or), did the Universe create the Universal Consciousness? There is now a new philosophy developing where even inanimate objects could, (possibly), have a state of awareness and self-consciousness. A rock could be self-aware, except not on a self-awareness, as we know it. Which brings in the argument, if inanimate objects are self-aware, then the Earth itself has self-consciousness. Then the solar system, and then the galaxy, the next stage is the entire Universe. As nothing is lost in the Universe, or everything is in a state of birth and rebirth, and transformation and transmutation from one form to another, then we must question self-evolution. As we reside in self-consciousness as an individual, and there is the group-consciousness and the merging into Oneness, then everything is made from single-component parts. Creating the overall Universal Consciousness.  The philosophy of inanimate objects having self-consciousness is not new, because that is the core philosophy of Shinto in Japan. It has been around for thousands of years.

    茶道,

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