06-10-2022, 07:01 PM
First post here - I just read the entire thread and it was fascinating to view the debate over time. Much appreciation to those keeping the discussion going.
IMHO this was never really about the vaccine, but about control. To illustrate here's my take with the added dimension of time:
Establishment Skeptics
Spring 2020 Bill Gates -pandemic ends when society vaccinated Uh-oh
Fall 2020 mRNA gene therapies a miracle - works >99% Safety?
Trust the science Doesn't Pfizer have a history of criminal behavior?
Safe and effective
Warp speed ahead!
Winter 2021 Israel widespread vax roll out So why are cases spiking in Israel after vax?
Spring 2021 Adults - congrats you are eligible for vax! What if I don't want it?
Pop up vaccination clinics all over No thanks
Get your vax for herd immunity! Wouldn't natural immunity be better?
Vaccine better than natural immunity Really? Show me the data
Get your vax to protect others I don't like where this is going
Summer 2021 OMG variants! get your vax! No kidding viruses mutate by nature
Anti vaxers are selfish Uh-oh
Free donut with your vax! Mmm Isn't that unhealthy?
Stop spreading misinformation plague rats! Say what?
Proof of vaccine should be required everywhere Ugh
Vax pass rollouts yay! Seriously? The conspiracy theorists were right
Fall 2021 No Jab no Job! That's crazy!
vax only 50% effecitve Boosters needed Wait Why?
You are going to die in the winter anti-vaxers! uh ok
OMG Omnicron! Omnicron lower fatality/higher transmissibility - herd immunity finally?
Winter 2022 Get your 3rd booster But the vaccinated are getting sick at equal rates
Get your 4th booster but...
We're mandating jabs for critical workers Canadian truckers: H O N K !
Spring 2022 Well maybe vaccines are not working Finally
Get the vaccines anyways No
We're relaxing restrictions Hooray!
OMG Ukraine! Huh?
China: let's severely lock-down a city of 20 million Uh-oh
Most accurate description of the underlying issues that I've seen (from this thread thanks @Tadeus):
Quote:
Henrymakow.com — Dec 14, 2021
So far the campaign has worked. Presently at my job proof of vaccine is still required to come into the office. Many of my coworkers will not meet in person unless a negative PCR test is shown and masks worn. The majority of people I work with are double boosted fanatical mask wearers. Despite all this the company is pushing people back to the office and there have been several teams that have caught covid. The internal message boards are full of immuno compromised worried about threats to their health. It is a mess. I believe corporations realize they went too far and are trying to undo some of the damage.
I've have been what is termed an anti-vaxer for some time although I am in favor of prudent ethical use of specific ones. Around 2019 there was a measles scare going around in the news with a similar vaccine campaign. I saw where that was going and started to freak out, but a reassurance came over me with a my inner voice stating that this must come to pass and it will work out. This provided enough detachment to keep me sane til now.
Despite everything all this I am hopeful. Even the most enthusiastic mask wearing vaccine proponents seem to have a balanced outlook. Future campaigns to sow division and hate will be hampered by the damage to the system's credibility a decreased economic power. People may look beyond the propaganda for better ideas.
IMHO this was never really about the vaccine, but about control. To illustrate here's my take with the added dimension of time:
Establishment Skeptics
Spring 2020 Bill Gates -pandemic ends when society vaccinated Uh-oh
Fall 2020 mRNA gene therapies a miracle - works >99% Safety?
Trust the science Doesn't Pfizer have a history of criminal behavior?
Safe and effective
Warp speed ahead!
Winter 2021 Israel widespread vax roll out So why are cases spiking in Israel after vax?
Spring 2021 Adults - congrats you are eligible for vax! What if I don't want it?
Pop up vaccination clinics all over No thanks
Get your vax for herd immunity! Wouldn't natural immunity be better?
Vaccine better than natural immunity Really? Show me the data
Get your vax to protect others I don't like where this is going
Summer 2021 OMG variants! get your vax! No kidding viruses mutate by nature
Anti vaxers are selfish Uh-oh
Free donut with your vax! Mmm Isn't that unhealthy?
Stop spreading misinformation plague rats! Say what?
Proof of vaccine should be required everywhere Ugh
Vax pass rollouts yay! Seriously? The conspiracy theorists were right
Fall 2021 No Jab no Job! That's crazy!
vax only 50% effecitve Boosters needed Wait Why?
You are going to die in the winter anti-vaxers! uh ok
OMG Omnicron! Omnicron lower fatality/higher transmissibility - herd immunity finally?
Winter 2022 Get your 3rd booster But the vaccinated are getting sick at equal rates
Get your 4th booster but...
We're mandating jabs for critical workers Canadian truckers: H O N K !
Spring 2022 Well maybe vaccines are not working Finally
Get the vaccines anyways No
We're relaxing restrictions Hooray!
OMG Ukraine! Huh?
China: let's severely lock-down a city of 20 million Uh-oh
Most accurate description of the underlying issues that I've seen (from this thread thanks @Tadeus):
Quote:
Henrymakow.com — Dec 14, 2021
Quote:“We see a future world without enough to go around, and therefore we must learn first to control it and then to share what is there as we deem most advantageous to those whom we choose. That is what power is for.”
“If people will allow such vaccines to invade their own bodies and their children’s in order to comply and to be the same or “equal” to “everyone” else they most certainly will not object to or oppose their wealth, use of resources and life styles being equalized as well.”
“Everyone must do the same. In all communist nations we have fostered, it is customary that for “equality” for the desired and planned “levelling” in this new order, in order for people to have the same in their needs and wants, everyone has to be psychologically trained to obey the same commands”
“The universal vaccine programs not only open the door for behavior control through gene modification and enhancement, but more importantly for the present operation – psychological behaviour control with the vaccines is even more fundamental. Regardless of whether or not the vaccines are unnecessary and useless regarding the virus, or even harmful for many, they are the most uniform and concerted psychological weapon ever devised to control human behaviour.”
Jacob Rothschild
So far the campaign has worked. Presently at my job proof of vaccine is still required to come into the office. Many of my coworkers will not meet in person unless a negative PCR test is shown and masks worn. The majority of people I work with are double boosted fanatical mask wearers. Despite all this the company is pushing people back to the office and there have been several teams that have caught covid. The internal message boards are full of immuno compromised worried about threats to their health. It is a mess. I believe corporations realize they went too far and are trying to undo some of the damage.
I've have been what is termed an anti-vaxer for some time although I am in favor of prudent ethical use of specific ones. Around 2019 there was a measles scare going around in the news with a similar vaccine campaign. I saw where that was going and started to freak out, but a reassurance came over me with a my inner voice stating that this must come to pass and it will work out. This provided enough detachment to keep me sane til now.
Despite everything all this I am hopeful. Even the most enthusiastic mask wearing vaccine proponents seem to have a balanced outlook. Future campaigns to sow division and hate will be hampered by the damage to the system's credibility a decreased economic power. People may look beyond the propaganda for better ideas.