06-01-2022, 07:30 PM
Quote:Thank you for your thoughtful post, J.W. Smile
I like that quote from Ra. To give more context:
welcome! session 80 was very useful and I enjoyed the quote/s as well!
Quote:The paradox of balancing—or maintaining the balance of—disassociation and unity, may sound simple, but I do not find it so. It is in my experience a matter of state of being rather than comprehending the ideas, which may fluctuate with the balancing of the energy centers. I think there are many factors at play. But, in my view, being an Adept is something beyond the typical idea of Adepthood most people have (not necessarily people here at B4).
I especially like the bolded above. This concept, intellectually, would appear easy to understand. In practice, intellectual understanding doesn't help a whole lot. It is the actual transformations that take place in the processing of catalyst and the balancing of the energy centers (more below on this) that create a state of being from which, though words don't articulate it, the paradox of being disassociated and united at once can exist as a singular experience—in my view.
That is very interesting, I'll be honest, I never intellectually understood that quote from Ra.
It is a difficult thing to describe, I comprehend the words and "idea." But to put them in a context of structure like balancing it through the energy centers somewhat difficult.
I can see things through Don's method of inquiry and dissection of the materials, and originally, whenever I hear about "energy centers" I literally picture glowing orbs within a body that emanate the "colors" of the respective resonance.
Things are different now, and it is more in a state of "being." The only downside is that it is almost "impossible" for me to talk about the formless without it being interpreted by another-self's perception or reality.
Which is something I enjoy being enveloped by, and experience, rather than absorbing another-self's "lights" or in this case, their "perception" and "understanding," thus illuminating brighter "separately-together"
Quote:Certainly an Adept (as described by Ra) has reached the point of choosing catalyst to utilize and is utilizing it effectively and consciously, as opposed to an individual who has not yet made The Choice and is reacting randomly to catalyst. A relevant quote:
absolutely! one of the many utilization I forgot to mention is through some form of a "hobby." For example, through the challenges of learning a musical instrument, one can see the catalysts from "learning" to "expressing" the potential of one's sound. In short, like you said, it is boundless for the adept once the choice is made.
Quote:Ra I think refers to the veil when talking about the moonlight. The Adept is more inclined to utilize the Catalyst of the Spirit, having reached the point of choosing catalyst to work with, as well as recognizing the spirit as a shuttle to intelligent infinity, yet still dealing with this veiled reality. There is a relationship between the disassociation experienced and recognizing all catalyst—happy or unhappy—to be useful in furthering a path.
Yes, a concept or explanation that is verbalized through our language, the "shuttle" is where I would focus and "dematerialize" from the mind. If possible, that is the least I can say.
Quote:J.W. Wrote:
Naturally, when you are at the level to utilizes spiritual-catalysts, this involves "crossing over" to the "ethereal," (deep meditation in isolation chamber, or lucid dreaming are a few methods one can use)
Quote:And more simply, the conscious processing of catalyst can be done each day (or moment).
Actually, the spiritual-catalysts I mentioned is closer to this quote.
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Quote:[url=https://www.lawofone.info/s/17]17.38 Questioner: Well, does each… does… this is difficult. Our physical plane: Are there seven sub-planes to what we call our physical plane here?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. This is difficult to understand. There are an infinite number of planes. In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.
The invisible, or inner, third-density planes are inhabited by those who are not of body complex natures such as yours; that is, they do not collect about their spirit/mind complexes a chemical body. Nevertheless these entities are divided in what you may call an artificial dream within a dream into various levels. In the upper levels, desire to communicate knowledge back down to the outer planes of existence becomes less, due to the intensive learn/teaching which occurs upon these levels.
Quote:There is another movie from the 90s: Drop Dead Fred, which deals with this also.
Interesting! I like it, it reminds me of "who framed Roger Rabbit!" I'll check this out after finishing up "monty python and the holy grail"
thanks!
Quote:J.W. Wrote:
So, if you cling onto some "form" of "teachings," and uses them to synthesize spiritual catalysts, one may "misinterpret" them and fall into the deception of the "moonlight." Most adepts fall short in this similar fashion because they hold on for dear life what they "learned." You have to let go, and "experience" the all. This is difficult for another-self to explain, and isn't meant to be, you have to see it first-hand.
Quote:To be an Adept, one would not be clinging to teachings, in my view. Individuals may see themselves as Adepts and could be in certain respects, but to get to the point of seeing all catalyst as useful and not "negative" and utilizing the spirit as a shuttle to intelligent infinity suggests a transformation that would have gone beyond clinging to specific ideas or teachings or any sort of dogma. It would suggest an open-mindedness to new information and an awareness of the larger view of reality that it may stream in, without the blocks of dogma
I don't have a true definitive way of describing what is like to be an adept, as it is in the realm of "formless," and it is truly an experience of the "self" for the "self."
But the characteristic of one, would be within the "ballpark" of the bolded statements above. But still, these are though, conceptualization "borrowed" from the Ra materials, and I would suggest going "beyond" or "revert" to a state of dissolution, as there are no paradoxical-absolute-"template" for the subject-matter, or the formless.
In short, the word I often used is the "attachment" ones may have in the process of learning. If it is "spoken" then it is "attached" or "cling."
Please don't see this as a disagreement, there are no degree of correctness or falsity in the paths you and I traverse, simply, "illumination."
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Following the Sun is great too, but it's not completely "balanced," as there are things that only the moonlight can reveal.
Often times, using only the Sun is similar to following an extremely strict diet, or living a monastic life-style as a monk.
Quote:This is, in my opinion, not what Ra was talking about regarding the sun and the moon(light). The moonlight, being only a reflection of the light of the sun, in my opinion, is a metaphor for the veil and the truth of existence being shielded from us. We may perceive here a mere reflection of it (the moonlight)—but at least that is something. This is what the Adept works toward—utilizing the moonlight until the bright light (illumination) of the sun is revealed (to varying degrees, and with stumbling blocks along the way as depicted in the Experience of the Spirit).
I see the illumination of your perspective, and I also would like to raise a correction on my end with the interpretation of the Sun.
There is no connection with Ra materials in the analogy, and only my own experience within the influence of the "law of polarities," or "dualism."
As in, like previously mentioned, all truths are "half" truths, which doesn't mean they are "lesser." The "moonlight," although is a "reflection," still serves as a "balance" of the "other-half" of the sun.
Like Positive/Negative, Dark/Light, one cannot exist without the other.
I do see your viewpoint, and validate this opinion.
In my case, when I detach from the teaching from those of Ra, (not losing it.) There were more to be revealed under the 'moonlight' (paradoxically/ironically using Ra's description lol)
Quote:I'm not sure whether you are addressing me specifically or if you are just speaking generally. If you mean me, don't worry, I have no beliefs. If you speak generally, I would say that I agree that knowledge evolves, which is why it is important to be open to new information (whatever that constitutes).
"Dropping everything behind" may be a goal, but in my view it is a natural occurrence in the process rather than a desire for an outcome. Ra mentions this but I am not sure where the quote is—something about things naturally falling away.
I don't see a difference in speaking with other-selves/self.
Ah, yes, the automation of growth and transforming does not need a perfectionism of full piloting. Everything is in constant motion, nothing stops.
The only permanent is the degree of ones moving through the spectrum of polarities.
In that sense, just for context, it is more than beliefs, and it revolve around the "you in the I."
Being "open" and absorbing new information is just as valuable as being as "blank" as a newborn. The question is can you become a newborn again, with where you are .. now.
Quote:J.W. Wrote:
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and one of the highest detachment is to let go of the fear of death,
Ever had dreams of you dying? did you wake up sweating? heart pounding?
Imagine that you wake up smiling instead, to see "death" as beautiful, and a transformation instead,
Quote:This is my current take on the subject. Letting go of the fear of death is not an intellectual understanding. Additionally, it goes way beyond even having a "knowing" that there is something beyond physical death. No matter how much we would like to ignore this fact, we have a physical existence here, we have physical bodies which come with millennia of instincts programmed in; so as the Adept is more in touch with intelligent infinity utilizing the spirit portion of the MBS complex, the more death becomes less of a concern due to the awareness of and utilization of the spirit portion, which by nature in 3rd density and the veil is out of balance with mind and body.
Yup, now see if you can remove the "No matter how much we would like to ignore this fact, we have a physical existence here, we have physical bodies which come with millennia of instincts programmed in."
and see if you can remove this too,
"so as the Adept is more in touch with intelligent infinity utilizing the spirit portion of the MBS complex,"
Which ever lead you to an "intellectual-nudity" and in that... See if you are naked and afraid? or just "naked"
What part of this "nakedness" terrifies you?
Quote:I am going to try and suss out a response to this.
Firstly, I think you may be referring to what I call "personal power." This is to be distinguished from Adepthood, though there is some overlap.
A woman such as you describe, as being confident and "owning it" is personal power. This overlaps with Adepthood as it signifies a minimal balance in the lower energy centers of red, orange, and yellow, but not the blue and green (in my opinion). For reference:
The overlaps that you see and analysis of another-self's "personal power" or "adepthood," are perceptions laminated by what you have "learned" in your reality.
As free as the analysist can analyze of one-self to another, the fluidity and the definition of ones' "adepthood" is only constricted by what the "outside" looking in,
or as Ra have said, "unfortunate." Or some sort of "other-than" opinions made towards the "adept."
Quote:It is true that women have traditionally been judged through the lens of beauty, which derives from instincts hard-wired in the brain with millennia of conditioning related to survival of the species, and evolved in modern times into the social constructs of which you speak.
The balance of causality, of duality has it's mechanism of equalizing the nature of things.
Having a "leg-up" also comes with it's crux. Being a "savior" comes with it's price, being STS "pays the tab" at the "6th," etc. etc.
But when you can overcome the "causality" and the challenges of each chosen path, then that is where "freedom" reside.
Quote:Part of the concept of disassociation of the Adept discussed above in this post, is in the Adept being disassociated with the husks (the social constructs for instance) and connecting with the true nature of other-selves. An Adept in my opinion would be beyond caring about the judgments others, as the focus would be on the self and the path. In speaking about the "jealousy," this is part of the maelstrom of which Ra speaks. And this is where the green ray arises as relevant (compassion for those who experience such suffering); and the indigo ray (having the awareness to recognize, and wisdom to discern, the constructs, and additionally to move past them as not useful or relevant in connecting to intelligent infinity).
The social constructs: Where does it begin, and where does it end? and how much of it has become a part of you?
Quote:I would like to emphasize, that compassion be the guiding force for this unbalanced social construct. It may arise naturally with progress toward unity, but even so, a certain balancing can take place in my opinion between the "confident" women and the women who are insecure—to put it in simplified terms. I encourage all women to first, forgive men (and women) for responding to the hard-wired instincts and social conditioning; and try to see all women as sisters in this, and to close the separation between the strata within the construct. To be yourself, whether that is donning the attire of sexy, beautiful, or whatever, and seeing this as an expression of a unique self rather than something that has societal power though this may be the case.
Thus, without the societal power, the creator begin to construct and create it's own societal power.
Creation did not come from nowhere, even with the confine of this space/time, and "norms"
The "previous" construct were created with the participation of "all"
With the knowledge of "reincarnation" ... Is it too crazy to say that at some point in the past, you could have been a man, or part of that society that helped constructed the one we are currently in?
I would add to the compassion and forgiveness and take it internally with the awareness that "all" came from the "self"
Without separation of what we controlled, and what controlled us.